ok everyone is accounted for in one way or another
<Meta_Knight>
ok i had a 10 minute nap lets get htis show on the roa
<Freakworld>
>2am
<Meta_Knight>
*road
<Freakworld>
>sinner
<meowth>
HI
<Freakworld>
*dinner
<meowth>
hi
<meowth>
hi.
<turb>
hi
<Superchao>
hi tucayo
<Anton{Politoed}>
so, welcome to the first Awards Committee meeting of 2017!
<Nyrie>
fw it's 8pm here
<turb>
:clap:
<Anton{Politoed}>
keep in mind that daylight savings is like
<dia>
yay
<Anton{Politoed}>
in 2 days
<Nyrie>
yayayay
<dia>
ono
<Lord_Bowser>
yY
<Anton{Politoed}>
so the time will shift for anyone who doesn't follow that
<Lord_Bowser>
yay*
<Mariofan169>
do we all get participation trophies at the end
<Freakworld>
no nyrie youre thinking in timezones again
<Toadbert>
i dont observe daylight savings you guys all lose
<turb>
yeah and its going to kill me irl
<Freakworld>
yeah ill update my forum time accordingly
<Freakworld>
so it should still work out i hope
<Anton{Politoed}>
if anyone's not aware of what we do here in ac meetings
<Anton{Politoed}>
each week
<Anton{Politoed}>
actually i'm gonna make myself red hold on
<Gamefreak75>
wait is it really this weekend?
<Gamefreak75>
dls i mean
<Freakworld>
yes
<Anton{Politoed}>
yes
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
anyways
<Freakworld>
2 weeks ahead of us
<Gamefreak75>
damn
<DragonFreak>
yay red anton
<meowth>
colors are fun
<Anton{Politoed}>
what we do here each week is mull through https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MKs8Rz9QsrkL88EfSI-HAGwSoNQDZT8Tt6MHMDJAFVI/edit and make appropriate changes
<Freakworld>
havent seen that document in a year
<Anton{Politoed}>
we vote on things discussed in the forum thread and make quick decisions, which can always be readdressed
<Anton{Politoed}>
the purpose of meetings is to kinda make swifter decisions than the forum and have more open and fluid discussions
<Anton{Politoed}>
all relevant links are located here: https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=38178.msg1908407#msg1908407
<Anton{Politoed}>
and our schedule for this meeting is:
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Introduction
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Shroom/User merger
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Open immediate suggestions
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Begin Mario Awards
<turb>
the relevant links list is always in the topic as well if anyone needs it
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah
<Gabumon>
Shrooser
<Anton{Politoed}>
and that was the brief intro so moving on is introducing the Shroom/User merger
<Lord_Bowser>
shrowser
<Mariofan169>
useroom
<Anton{Politoed}>
we will not be making a decision on this today
<Freakworld>
okay
<Anton{Politoed}>
my intention is to just formally introduce this idea that we campaigned on
<Freakworld>
so
<Gabumon>
Yoom
<Freakworld>
ok
<Freakworld>
great
<Freakworld>
i was gonna ask
<Freakworld>
because im still unsure about the specifics
<Anton{Politoed}>
the idea behind it is that User Awards is falling out of relevancy
<Anton{Politoed}>
refer to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MKs8Rz9QsrkL88EfSI-HAGwSoNQDZT8Tt6MHMDJAFVI/edit to see
<Anton{Politoed}>
easily half of those awards are very difficult to justify having anymore
<meowth>
no one cares about the users anymore
<turb>
favorite mafia game, never forget
<Freakworld>
yes
<Anton{Politoed}>
I don't feel comfortable having a Favorite Retired User, plus basically everyone on it is someone from 2007 that no one knows
<Lord_Bowser>
delete users
<Anton{Politoed}>
Userpedia doesn't pump out creative works as much anymore
<Anton{Politoed}>
Mafia board is dead
<Gabumon>
This will also have the added benefit of reducing the number of total awards and thus presentation sign-ups required
<Toadbert>
revive:
<meowth>
award of the year: favorite mafia game
<Anton{Politoed}>
yes, what edo said
<Superchao>
you weren't kidding, it really is half
<Meta_Knight>
im all for merging the two if it will make things more convinient
<Superchao>
honestly i was ambivalent at first
<Anton{Politoed}>
what I have marked down for awards we can keep
<Anton{Politoed}>
-Keep U4??, U5, U6, U9, U10, merging of U2+3
<Superchao>
but now that i look at it and see how many are dead
<Lord_Bowser>
anyway in all seriousness i'm for merging
<Superchao>
i'd be fine with merging
<Mariofan169>
favorite community lper, good lord
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's 4 solid ones, 1 iffy, and then one merger
<Anton{Politoed}>
if all accepted, that will be 6
<meowth>
i'm ok with merging
<Lord_Bowser>
user awards aren't very relevant anymore
<Freakworld>
i liked favorite community lper
<Freakworld>
:(
<Superchao>
i'd be fine with scrapping U4, btw
<Freakworld>
yeah uh
<Superchao>
like
<Anton{Politoed}>
to be added to the already-10 Shroom Awards, to a 16
<Freakworld>
basically my main point is
<turb>
we are probably keeping all shroom awards for reference
<turb>
yeah
<meowth>
let me look at what those ones are again
<DragonFreak>
me too fw
<turb>
so we could scrap the iffy one and have an even 15
<Superchao>
i dunno, it feels like U4 isn't very relevant any more?
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm kinda anal about it being 16 and would prefer it to be 15 but ___
<Freakworld>
i really like the fact that shroom awards is its own thing
<turb>
yeah im anal about it too
<Superchao>
user design doesn't come up much
<Nyrie>
oh god yeah 15 is a lot nicer of a number
<turb>
but if you guys are desperate enough for user design idk if we're in a position to argue
<Anton{Politoed}>
but yeah none of the Shroom Awards will be touched, at least by this merger
<Toadbert>
user design comes up anytime any user fiction happens though
<Anton{Politoed}>
if anything is done to Shroom Awards it will be decided by the Shroom staff and OKd by us
<Meta_Knight>
yeah i'm definitely for merging then
<Toadbert>
i would argue its still relevant
<Gabumon>
[02:09] Anton{Politoed} I'm kinda anal about it being 16 and would prefer it to be 15 but ___
<Meta_Knight>
that was one of my questions regarding that
<Toadbert>
not even fiction any picture of anyone
<Gabumon>
To be frank
<Gamefreak75>
17 awards tbh
<Mariofan169>
honestly not much of the new users give a damn about their oc designs
<Freakworld>
i agree that the user awards are less important as of now but im still not 100% convinced that we should just meddle these together with
<Freakworld>
shroom awards
<Nyrie>
17.2 awards
Mode #mwikiawards +o Gamefreak75 by turb
<Gabumon>
id say just get rid of U2 and U3
<Mariofan169>
it is steadily declining
<Freakworld>
i dont currently have another solution but thats what i think
<Gabumon>
nobody's really making those things anymore
<DragonFreak>
and u8
<meowth>
the four solid ones are good and 2 and 3 can safely be merged into favorite fiction or something
<Anton{Politoed}>
what me and turb kinda talked about re: U2 and U3 is to maintain a space for community works that aren't covered by the shroom
<turb>
idk u2 and u3 still feels more relevant to me than u4 overall
<Superchao>
how un-viable would it be to halve userpedia without merging it
<Anton{Politoed}>
some still do exist and them being merged might make it viable, but we're not entirely sure
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's just something we were hoping for
<Freakworld>
very unviable
<Superchao>
i.e. just have a 5-award ceremony
<turb>
yeah
<Superchao>
ok
<turb>
like idk
<Freakworld>
i mean like
<meowth>
id rather keep u2 and u3 than u4
<turb>
just having a space for community works seems appropriate to me since nothing else really covers it
<Freakworld>
it just seems wrong to have a ceremony with less than 10 awards
<turb>
out of what we're keeping
<Mariofan169>
but mafia could still make a comeback like vinyl-oh whatever
<Toadbert>
community works is kinda becoming retired user though
<Superchao>
we've done it before
<Freakworld>
no mafia is dead forever
<Gabumon>
If theres just a 5 awards category
<Superchao>
userpedia was 5 awards for a couple years
<Toadbert>
its stuff from so many years ago new people dont know about it anymore
<Nyrie>
mafia's gone
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'll be making a thread that will cover every aspect of this decision since it's like really bulky
<Freakworld>
was it
<Superchao>
yes
<Gabumon>
youre gonna have to hire a director for 5 awards
<Freakworld>
that mustve been before my time
<dia>
same
<Gabumon>
seems like a waste of resources
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
and yeah that leads into the next thing
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah i'm not sure hosting that small of a ceremony is worth the effort
<Freakworld>
per
<turb>
itd really be nothing but getting us to get another director + divvy up timeslot shit when we already run a 15 award ceremony with no breaks or issues
<Anton{Politoed}>
with this merger the remaining 5 User awards would fall under the jurisdiction of the Shroom Host
<Anton{Politoed}>
who this year is Meta_Knight
<shoutmon>
if theres a debate about adding or keeping u2 and u3
<Freakworld>
idk a part of me is still iffy about the merging
<Nyrie>
i gotta go to dinner for a bit i'll be back in like 10 minutes
<shoutmon>
they could also be combined into favorite user fiction
<shoutmon>
or something like that
<turb>
that's what we discussed
<Freakworld>
ill try to think about this until the next meeting or whenever we wanted to finalize this
<turb>
anton can probably say more about it
<Superchao>
maybe we can leave that as a possible solution if someone's willing to volunteer
<Anton{Politoed}>
and another aspect of merging would be a new name for the ceremony
<meowth>
thats what i said yeah
<Superchao>
but don't go in hard on it
<Gabumon>
anton wants it to be 15, not 16
<Superchao>
Wiki Awards?
<Anton{Politoed}>
"Shroom Awards" would no longer be fully appropriate
<Mariofan169>
I'm all for it if it brings in more convenience
<Gabumon>
so I suggested dropping U2/3
<Superchao>
-wait
<Anton{Politoed}>
we kinda preferred Community Awards
<Superchao>
Community Awards
<Superchao>
yeah, why did i forget that
<Anton{Politoed}>
but I do know that there's a cultural history of like
<dia>
sounds good
<Meta_Knight>
Community Awards sounds good
<Mariofan169>
community awards is the best option yeah
<Freakworld>
per
<Anton{Politoed}>
absolutely not wanting to touch the "Shroom" name at all
<turb>
well, i have an idea for how i wanted to do the merger/keeping of awards
<Lord_Bowser>
community awards is good imo
<turb>
but i dont want to talk over what's currently happening
<Meta_Knight>
i know smb was really hard about that
<turb>
and yeah
<Superchao>
that'd be stupid, imo
<Meta_Knight>
but i'm director now and honestly it sounds good to me
<turb>
people have been touchy about the shroom but
<Anton{Politoed}>
the people who pushed that are no longer active in the community but I still don't want to exactly dive into it without being cautious of that decision
<Superchao>
and i'm speakign as shroom subdirector
<dia>
we coudl do something clunky
<dia>
like
<shoutmon>
well
<turb>
it should be up to MK and the current awards staff
<Superchao>
you can't just say this is all shroom when it's 1/3 not shroom
<dia>
Community And Shroom Awards
<Superchao>
ehhhh
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah i thought about that brock but yeah clunky
<Meta_Knight>
thats too wordy imo
<Superchao>
that makes it sound like the shroom isn't part of the community
<Freakworld>
i say drop the shroom part of the name if you merge it
<Superchao>
when i'd say it should fall under that umbrella
<Toadbert>
community is a fine blanket term for it
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah be more inclusive
<DragonFreak>
community is a good name imo cause it covers userpedia, the wiki, and the shroom, which is almost all aspects of the community
<dia>
yeah im ok with community
<Superchao>
>not the forum
<Superchao>
WOW
<Lord_Bowser>
community would be best
<meowth>
community is the best possible name i think
<Freakworld>
its unnecessary to keep the tag if it doesnt include 100% concentrated shroom juice
<dia>
i just dont see a way to kee Shroom in if we're merging it
<Toadbert>
the forums are a mistake
<DragonFreak>
i mean i guess the forum too but not really also
<Superchao>
i'm super offended now :<
<dia>
in the name
<Lord_Bowser>
itc doof hates the forums
<Anton{Politoed}>
in fairness of why I'm cautious of the name decision, the reasoning for keeping "Shroom" was that it was believed that the shroom awards helped advertise the magazine and gain writers/readers
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's no numbers on that
<DragonFreak>
pls lb it's the part im actually on the most
<Toadbert>
i can see why youd say taht but
<DragonFreak>
well besides irc
<Superchao>
ehhh, i've never really noticed that much
<Anton{Politoed}>
so I can't confirm or deny the validity of that statement
<shoutmon>
we could also delete the artifical distiction we made a few years ago to separate favorite writer into two awards
<Toadbert>
i feel like its wishful thinking in practicality
<Superchao>
maybe it's just me but it doesn't feel like we've ever once had a sudden burst of applications
<Freakworld>
well fwiw nobody sees the shroom awards anyways since theyre kept somewhere on a subpage and not on the front page
<Superchao>
and i've had four years to see it
<Meta_Knight>
well i mean
<Mariofan169>
is there still a possibility of adding awards to this section
<turb>
we thought about that 22 but it feels like
<Meta_Knight>
if 10 of the awards are shroom awards
<Anton{Politoed}>
((also just as a note it's difficult for me to read what everyone's saying and also keep talking too so I'll just reread logs when I go to make the thread))
<turb>
there's like a reason why it's split up like that
<Superchao>
let's wait until we know what section we'll even have
<Gabumon>
I don't see the artificialness of it, 2257
<Superchao>
@mariofan
<Anton{Politoed}>
((also everyone's free to repeat themselves in the thread too))
<Meta_Knight>
wouldnt that still be a majority
<turb>
like there's no real proper way to merge those two categories because they are for pretty distinct things in shroom terms
<Meta_Knight>
and people could still go read the shroom
<turb>
and itd be kind of unfair
<Gabumon>
oh
<Toadbert>
besides
<Gabumon>
nevermind
<Meta_Knight>
so they have incentive to make a well informed vote
<shoutmon>
once they were one award
<Gabumon>
my mind was somewhere else
<Freakworld>
yeah i feel like i need to voice my concern
<Toadbert>
under "community" awards, then each shroom award would need to be labelled with "shroom" so you know what its about
<Freakworld>
not sure what exactly is bothering me rn
<Toadbert>
so the name doesnt vanish
<Freakworld>
though
<Superchao>
that doesn't seem very hard
<dia>
i think that sounds good
<Superchao>
also
<Superchao>
if we do merge it
<dia>
that sounds like a good compromise tb
<Mariofan169>
is a valid point
<turb>
are we talking about veteran/new
<Anton{Politoed}>
and yeah tb that's a good point
<Meta_Knight>
yeah i like that idea
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah per tb
<turb>
idk i get your point but it's something that i dont know how to approach
<Superchao>
i'll brign it up later, actually
<Anton{Politoed}>
if it's about the veteran/new i was always kinda iffy about that too but yeah what turb said
<turb>
i dont want to encroach on shroom awards that much rn
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's a thing to discuss in shroom meetings for this
<turb>
and yeah i agree with tb's idea
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
but it's good to make note of /what/ we need to go over
<Superchao>
i wonder
<Anton{Politoed}>
this merger is honestly the biggest change we have planned for the entire awards at all
<Superchao>
i'll bring it up now after all - would we make the old S10 the new C1
<Anton{Politoed}>
everything else seems fairly routine
<Superchao>
or lock it at 14 and make it a one-two finale
<turb>
hm
<turb>
i dunno
<Freakworld>
keep s10 at or near the end
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other general sweeping concerns or thoughts about the User/Shroom merger idea
<turb>
maybe a one-two punch
<Anton{Politoed}>
we can discuss details more later
<turb>
or put s10 near the middle?
<Superchao>
well, we can probably talk about that if we decide to merge
<Freakworld>
sure
<turb>
i don't think i have anything beyond bringing up my ideas for what we were doing with userpedia awards
<turb>
like what we were keeping/merging
<Superchao>
anyhow beyond that i've got nothing
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok
<turb>
which might be too specific
<Anton{Politoed}>
some time after this meeting I'll set up a thread that will compile as much as I can re: talking points and decisions to be made about this
<Anton{Politoed}>
and depending on how bulky it is we can either dedicate solidifying every decision in one dedicated meeting, or spread it out as we discuss
<Anton{Politoed}>
but either way we will get back to it later on
<Superchao>
oh yeah! i remember what i was going to say for freakwrld
<meowth>
i dont have anything else to say about this for now
<Superchao>
it was 2010 and 2011 that had five userpedia awards
<Freakworld>
ah okay
<Freakworld>
yeah that was before i cared for the awards
<DragonFreak>
that weas before i existed
<Lord_Bowser>
me too
<turb>
oh yeah i like 0.2% remember that
<dia>
i dont have any ideas, but im for the idea of cutting unneccessary user awards
<Anton{Politoed}>
with that it for introducing the merger idea, next up is:
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Open immediate suggestions
<Anton{Politoed}>
what this means is right now we're just publicly calling for any immediate large suggestions anyone may have had but have not made yet
<Anton{Politoed}>
this could be changes to time, structure, tournaments, etc.
<meowth>
delete everything
<Freakworld>
okay for this i need to know one thing
<meowth>
nothing serious comes to mine
<Anton{Politoed}>
we'll consider
<meowth>
mind*
<Superchao>
it was probably obvious but
<Freakworld>
is there a current plan about tokens
<Superchao>
don't bother doing an awards mafia
<Nyrie>
back
<Freakworld>
wb
<Mariofan169>
I assume we're giving the pink slip to awards mafia
<Meta_Knight>
my only wish is for ac members to do at least one presentation which has already been covered
<DragonFreak>
yeah i dont see awards mafia is happening again
<Anton{Politoed}>
we have nothing in mind about tokens at the moment actually
<DragonFreak>
also per mk
<Freakworld>
per
<Lord_Bowser>
o7
<Superchao>
per
<Lord_Bowser>
per as well
<turb>
basically just things need to be restructured to fit the merger
<Meta_Knight>
so edo and me dont have to do 15 presentations in the last week of the ceremony
<turb>
which can be handled when we discuss that again
<turb>
and yeha thats fair
<Anton{Politoed}>
honestly, with the walkazo donation being as successful as it was, it might have repaired the snowballing inflation
<DragonFreak>
i only did like 4 im sorry mk
<Freakworld>
no
<Superchao>
counterpoint: cirde
<Meta_Knight>
its okay
<Superchao>
*cirdec
<Freakworld>
theres still at least cirdec
<turb>
i think inflation is getting better aside from cirdec
<turb>
but i mean
<Freakworld>
with 1000 tokens
<Gabumon>
I mean, I have something in mind regarding tokens at the moment actually
<Anton{Politoed}>
and the only thing I can think of changing would be reverting back to cheaper prize rates
<turb>
idk if we can literally delete all of cirdec's tokens lol
<Superchao>
let's vote on it! :V
<Gabumon>
but ill bring that up once its relevant
<Superchao>
he can't complain if it was democratic!
<Mariofan169>
just turn all of them into bitcoins
<Anton{Politoed}>
re: mafia, yeah if it's still a dead thing we won't hype it up
<turb>
ideally the merger will make it so there's less of a need for people to do 15 presentations in the last week honestly
<Mariofan169>
I mean
<Anton{Politoed}>
i mean feel free to go and make a game anyways, or a smaller one
<Superchao>
yeah there's no way a mafia would work this year
<Anton{Politoed}>
but we won't make it a highlight
<turb>
along with the rule about at least 1 presentation per committee member
<Superchao>
on the scale of AM1-5
<Mariofan169>
we could have a poll to gauge interest...?
<Superchao>
or what 6 was gonna be
<turb>
also i mean if you still want to make a mafia thats perfectly fine
Freakworld_ has joined #mwikiawards
<Superchao>
i feel like smaller mafias might be good, though
<turb>
waiting for uniju mafia
<Anton{Politoed}>
when's uniju mafia
<Freakworld_>
[02:24] Freakworld to be honest my idea was more like going in the direction of not having people carry over tokens from previous years at all anymore
<turb>
good idea anton
<Superchao>
if people want to revive mafia they should start small and build it back up to what it once was
<Superchao>
hmm
<Superchao>
i don't really like that idea
<Anton{Politoed}>
that was something edo, 22, and I discussed at the end of our term actually, fw
<Superchao>
like, i can understand imposing a time limit
<Lord_Bowser>
what about this
<Anton{Politoed}>
not being right after that immediate year but
<Mariofan169>
remind me, was it the shroom or awards mafia that ran for a really long time
<Anton{Politoed}>
after a couple, instead of a decay rate
<Superchao>
of "you need to use them within a certain couple ofyears"
<Lord_Bowser>
tokens carried over from last year lose half their value
<Freakworld_>
no
<Superchao>
but "you MUST use all tokens this year" is kinda shitty
<Freakworld_>
that wouldnt solve the problem
<turb>
i think having a limit of a few years would be appropriate
<Lord_Bowser>
instead of just outright all of it
<Gabumon>
are we actually discussing tokens right now
<turb>
i mean is there even really a problem anymore
<turb>
inflation seems to be doing better
<Freakworld_>
well
<Superchao>
because what if you don't want anything really expensive?
<turb>
we are
<Freakworld_>
tbh
<Anton{Politoed}>
there currently is a decay rate in effect, but it's admittedly very weak and never actually had to be implemented
<Gabumon>
well
<Toadbert>
add a limit of how many tokens something costs, and also how many totals total you can have to buy something
<Superchao>
also mariofan: it was shroom
<Freakworld_>
we already have a 2 year limit dont we
<Superchao>
that ran for six months and burned everyone out
<Gabumon>
maybe I should talk about what I wanted to do then
<Freakworld_>
its not solving the problem
<Freakworld_>
as you can see
<Mariofan169>
ah
<Gabumon>
my idea is
<Superchao>
it basically killed mafia as a whole
<Freakworld_>
yes please Gabumon
<Anton{Politoed}>
and ok edo
<Lord_Bowser>
we could also set a max limit of tokens that one person can have
<Gabumon>
at the end of every awards cycle
<Freakworld_>
yes blame pi for killing mafia i agree
<Mariofan169>
it's been at least a year and a half since then, tbf
<Lord_Bowser>
like say double the most expensive prize?
<Gabumon>
the amount of remaining tokens for each user
<Superchao>
>blaming pi
<Superchao>
pls
<Mariofan169>
it does have potential to come back
<Gabumon>
is divided by 10
<Superchao>
that is what we used to do
<Superchao>
iirc
<Mariofan169>
bloody pi, killing off the skype chat and now mafia
if you dont want to get anything that year, tough luck
<Freakworld_>
next year, same odds for all people
<Lord_Bowser>
besides cirdec no one seems to have big problems regarding that
<Superchao>
yeah
<Freakworld_>
you can try again
<turb>
yeah like that's the thing
<turb>
who are we aiming this at
<Anton{Politoed}>
the concern previously for people holding onto tokens was because of an undiversified prize pool
<Superchao>
it'd basically be punishing everyone for cirdec's actions
<Lord_Bowser>
^
<Superchao>
and that's kind of a dick move
<Anton{Politoed}>
i.e. not everyone has steam, and steam games are 95% of the prizes
<Toadbert>
we could figure otu some kind of taxation thing
<turb>
no one has this issue except cirdec hoarding to buy every single european nintendo points card
<dia>
i dont have any tokens so
<Toadbert>
where the more you have the more you lose?
<dia>
i have no stake in this
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<Freakworld_>
well tbh there have been more people than cirdec hoarding tokens
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<Superchao>
who?
<dia>
are we making a cirdic rule
<Freakworld>
and i dont see why it wont happen again
<dia>
or ignoring that
<Freakworld>
me for example
<Freakworld>
lol
<Lord_Bowser>
cirdec is the most notorious
<Superchao>
then stop
<Anton{Politoed}>
last year I tried to diversify the prizes and that kinda helped
<Gabumon>
[02:28] Toadbert we could figure otu some kind of taxation thing
<Gabumon>
[02:28] Toadbert where the more you have the more you lose?
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<Gabumon>
dividing by 10 does exactly that
<Anton{Politoed}>
but I also don't have an endless pit of money to dump into this
<Freakworld>
i dont do it anymore but the system is
<Freakworld>
ridiculously tempting to trick
<Superchao>
but
<Superchao>
how so?
<Freakworld>
which is my main reason why i want to change it
<Superchao>
like what part of the system are you talking about
<Toadbert>
good point
<Toadbert>
@edo
<Freakworld>
the point of having more tokens than you can earn in a year
<dia>
maybe we could play robin hood
<Superchao>
is to get two prizes?
<dia>
steal from the rich give to the poor
<turb>
well fwiw i like edo's idea as a concept but i'm undecided on whether we should actually implement anything
<Gabumon>
why
<Freakworld>
that could be solved by lowering prices
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah fw idk what trick you're referring to
<turb>
mostly just want to hear more discussion about it
<Gabumon>
just because the economy is semi-stable now doesnt mean it wont happen again
<Freakworld>
which is feasible if everyone only has access to tokens from one year only
<Lord_Bowser>
i guess another alternative could be communism; i.e. taking everyone's remaining tokens and distributing them equally
<Gabumon>
its time to fix the problem before it flares up again
<Freakworld>
im referring to accumulating tons of tokens still
<turb>
i don't feel really strongly about this thing with the tokens either way but i do understand wanting to put in blanket rules so the economy doesn't collapse this year and the next
<turb>
yeah
<Toadbert>
wasnt there a planl ast year or something for tokens
<Freakworld>
and per Gabumon
<Anton{Politoed}>
but what's the trick you mean
<Freakworld>
honestly
<Toadbert>
where last years amount would halve in value
<Anton{Politoed}>
what's a trick about it
<Freakworld>
the trick is to not spend your tokens
<Freakworld>
it fucks up the economy
<Anton{Politoed}>
to achieve what goal
<Freakworld>
to have more tokens
<Anton{Politoed}>
but why
<dia>
what if you lose half your unspent tokens every year
<Gabumon>
thats not enough to make a dent
<Freakworld>
because you can get more prizes than you could normally get
<Anton{Politoed}>
no you can't
<Freakworld>
yes you can
<turb>
i mean
<Superchao>
but you can't get more than one game at a time
<Freakworld>
or well
<Anton{Politoed}>
and even so that's literally not a problem or a trick
<Freakworld>
more expensive prizes
<turb>
there still is a hard limit on the amount of prizes you can get
<Freakworld>
its a flaw of the system
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm not sure "saving tokens so you can get a more expensive game next year" is a flaw
<DragonFreak>
but it takes like a really long time tho
<turb>
id rather just have dividing by 10/taxation system
<shoutmon>
did someone propose progressive taxation for tokens
<Freakworld>
i meant more expensive prizes not more prizes
<Superchao>
yeah, per anton
<turb>
than axing all tokens every year
<Superchao>
like
<turb>
so
<Freakworld>
it is in my opinion
<Anton{Politoed}>
why is it a flaw
<Nyrie>
dividing by 10 seems like it's fine
<Gabumon>
anyway, I gave everyone a very ominous warning about trying to hang on to tokens last year
<Toadbert>
id be fine with /10 method
<turb>
taxation should be enough to both stop the economy from shitting the bed and still make it feel "fair"
<Gabumon>
so we are entirely justified in taking drastic action
<Superchao>
i can go with /10
<turb>
because i dont really think saving tokens is a flaw on its own
<meowth>
back
<turb>
when you get to cirdec levels of hoarding it's a problem
<meowth>
divided by 10 is ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
and yeah edo
<Superchao>
and yeah, i've always felt that saving tokens is fine
<Anton{Politoed}>
I've marked down the /10 idea in my notes
<Superchao>
especially if you're not able to get enough per year
<Superchao>
not having the right games or the like
<Anton{Politoed}>
but I do also think that a diversified prize pool will also be effective
<Anton{Politoed}>
in addition to the /10
<Nyrie>
i dont feel like it matters much because cirdec will still win every tournament and get the top prize anyway
<meowth>
pretty much lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
which means ramping up how many people donate games or stuff
<Lord_Bowser>
should there be a threshold for the /10 idea
<Gabumon>
no
<Lord_Bowser>
like below a certain amount it doesn't apply
<Gabumon>
equal treatment for everyone
<dia>
i mean the pool is great, but if its all just
<Freakworld>
i dont really see what else i need to explain since we all agree on the core problem
<dia>
anton donating
<dia>
and no one else
<dia>
i dont really think thats fair
<Nyrie>
0/10 is still 0 B)
<dia>
i know i dont have money to donate
<Freakworld>
i mean i guess the /10 cut would solve the problem
<Meta_Knight>
when is the next major steam sale
<Meta_Knight>
is it summer or is there one before then
<Superchao>
when gaben wills it
<Gamefreak75>
spring
<turb>
probably the summer sale
<Freakworld>
but i dont see why we dont just remove them entirely while were at it
<turb>
unless there is a spring sale
<turb>
i dont see the merit to removing them entirely
<Superchao>
because there's no real reason to completely axe them
<turb>
having just equal treatment for everyone by using the /10 cut feels more appropriate to me
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah doing that is too far imo
<turb>
both that and the diversified prize pool
<Superchao>
the problem is hoarding and inflation, which can be solved by shrinking the tokens carried over
<turb>
like anton said
<Anton{Politoed}>
like
<Superchao>
simply saving tokens is not inherently an issue
<Freakworld>
is there a real reason to let people stay with an arbitrary number of tokens they probably cant evn put to good use
<Anton{Politoed}>
look at what 10% of what cirdec's is
<Anton{Politoed}>
he has 947
<Freakworld>
unless they have a fuck ton of excess tokens
<Superchao>
because you CAN put them to good use
<Superchao>
i have!
<Anton{Politoed}>
so rough math basically -100
<Freakworld>
cirdec is one person
<Lord_Bowser>
oh wait
<Anton{Politoed}>
he'd still have 850
<meowth>
because you earned the tokens and there are legitimate reasons to save them
<Anton{Politoed}>
give or take numbers if I actually did the math
<Freakworld>
most people dont have more th-
<Superchao>
you got it backwards
<Freakworld>
OH
<Freakworld>
i thought you meant 10% remain
<Superchao>
what edo's proposing is cutting it by 10
<Superchao>
to 95
<Gabumon>
what
<Superchao>
unless i'm the one who got it backwards
<Gabumon>
what im proposing is
<Gabumon>
he had 1000 last year
<Gabumon>
hes gonna have 100 this year
<Freakworld>
yes
<turb>
oh
<Anton{Politoed}>
oh ok
<Superchao>
yeah
<Meta_Knight>
oh when he said divide by 10 i ithought he meant get rid of the last digit
<Freakworld>
i can agree with that
<Meta_Knight>
yeah
<turb>
yeah thats how i was reading it the whole time
<turb>
i can definitely agree with that
<Anton{Politoed}>
so lob off a 0
<Meta_Knight>
that gets rid of a large amount of tokens for everyone
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah that's how i saw it too
<Superchao>
pretty much
<Meta_Knight>
yeah anton
<Lord_Bowser>
also will rounding apply normally or always up/down
<Superchao>
always down
<Lakituthequick>
that is what dividing by 10 is
<Superchao>
kill those last tokens
<Freakworld>
down down down
<DragonFreak>
yeah everyone would pretty much be 100 tokes within each other
<Lord_Bowser>
alright
<Gabumon>
this creates a nice middle ground between your winnings from last year giving you a nice boost, while not forcing us to rebalance the entire economy based on your stack
<Anton{Politoed}>
idk my gut says /10 is too much
<Freakworld>
(which is why i dont see the point of keeping tokens at all but i agree with this so im not gonna argue anymore)
<dia>
yes
<Freakworld>
no /10 is enough
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'd like to run other numbers to see what works
<Freakworld>
it has to leave a big dent so accumulating tokens is impossible
<Superchao>
/100
<Meta_Knight>
thats fair
<turb>
well running numbers wouldn't hurt
<Superchao>
give cirdec nine tokens
<dia>
idk, is it something we should implement this year
<dia>
or like
<turb>
i just think we should have a cut in general
<DragonFreak>
/5 is fair too
<Anton{Politoed}>
I don't want it to be a punishment
<Superchao>
yes
<Anton{Politoed}>
I want it to be a deterrent
<dia>
announce we're going to implement it next year
<Superchao>
this year
<dia>
so spend now
<turb>
i'm definitely open to other numbers myself but idk how everyone else feels
<dia>
oh
<Freakworld>
not a punishment more like a permanent fix
<Superchao>
because otherwise cirdec's absurd hoard would be even worse
<Anton{Politoed}>
additionally
<Gabumon>
I am going to stick with /10
<dia>
yeah but
<turb>
well i think we should probably implement it sooner than later
<dia>
if we tell him spend now
<Gabumon>
the amount is adequate
<Lord_Bowser>
/10 is best imo
<Anton{Politoed}>
if we're going at this with the idea of literally only targeting cirdec
<dia>
or it will be chopped next year
<turb>
fix the problem before it starts up again
<Superchao>
he never spends
<dia>
would that work?
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'd rather not do it at all
<Freakworld>
he wont spend
<Anton{Politoed}>
we need to look at this as a whole picture
<dia>
its kind of like
<dia>
springing
<Anton{Politoed}>
how is this going to affect everybody
<dia>
it on people
<Anton{Politoed}>
how will this affect the prize pool
<Anton{Politoed}>
not just cirdec
<Freakworld>
the prizes will continue to go up
<Lord_Bowser>
well tbf there's nothing stopping other people from hoarding too
<Gabumon>
it is going to affect everybody equally.
<dia>
yeah
<Freakworld>
if we dont do anything
<Anton{Politoed}>
I know edo but it doesn't seem like anyone else cares about everyone since the discussion is about cirdec
<turb>
i mean
<dia>
no i just mean
<Nyrie>
dividing everyone by 10 objectively affects everyone the same way
<Gabumon>
well anton
<Freakworld>
and there could be potentially another 2015 or whenver it was where everyone had 5465324 tokens
<dia>
should we like
<Anton{Politoed}>
I know that's not what your idea is intending but I'd rather everyone be on the same page before we do anything
<dia>
put out a warning
<dia>
that this is happening next year
<turb>
im thinking about cirdec a lot ill admit but it seems perfectly fair as a general idea
<dia>
with a specific plan
<Anton{Politoed}>
I do support your idea
<turb>
i'd need to run more numbers
<turb>
but
<dia>
i know we hinted at this last year
<dia>
but it was more hints
<Gabumon>
I proposed the idea to you before everyone spent their tokens
<dia>
and what ifs
<turb>
it seems good on paper and fair for everyone
<dia>
not an actual plan
<Anton{Politoed}>
but I want people to know what it is instead of "let's take away cirdec's tokens"
<Gabumon>
before I wrote the warning last year
<Gabumon>
so
<dia>
people didnt really have time to plan for a specific cut
<Freakworld>
cirdec is not the problem, the problem is that its even possible to have that many tokens
<Gabumon>
I did not have this idea in mind solely because of cirdec
<Freakworld>
because it ruins the economy in the long run
<turb>
i'm thinking of it as
<Lord_Bowser>
per fw
<turb>
"hoarding tokens is bad, regardless of who it is"
<Lord_Bowser>
^
<Freakworld>
yes
<Gabumon>
the fact that everyone spent their savings now does not change my reasoning
<dia>
i think its a good idea
<turb>
so the problem needs to be stopped before it flares up again
<turb>
just because the economy got back on track last year doesnt mean it's going to stay that way
<Superchao>
pretty much
<turb>
and now that edos brought that up i definitely agree with him on it
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah this is like a safeguard
<Nyrie>
^
<Lord_Bowser>
or insurance
<Freakworld>
good that we agree on that
<shoutmon>
yeah i think we should do this immediately, not wait for next year
<Lord_Bowser>
agreed
<Nyrie>
yeah don't wait
<Gabumon>
oh
<shoutmon>
weve been talking about doing things like this for
<Freakworld>
because that was my most pressing issue i guess
<Gabumon>
yes, immediately
<shoutmon>
a long time
<turb>
yeah so
<Gabumon>
thats what I wrote the warning for
<Anton{Politoed}>
I agree with that
<turb>
we should just do it asap imo
<Freakworld>
do it
<turb>
get rid of the problem before it starts up again
<Freakworld>
do it nao
<turb>
like not literally "as soon as this meeting is over"
<turb>
but
<turb>
run numbers
<Meta_Knight>
yeah i think we should do it this year but part of me agrees with anton in that we should run some more numbers
<turb>
and get it going before prizes are up
<turb>
probably?
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok well I don't want to make the chop right now, yeah, I want it discussed but
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
what we can do is bring this in
<Gabumon>
before prizes are up seems too late
<turb>
idk i don't mean to talk over you lol
<Gabumon>
it should be done as soon as possible
<turb>
oh i don't mean LITERALLY right before prizes are up
<turb>
just debate it during the next few weeks
<Lord_Bowser>
a thread/poll on this issue would definitely help
<turb>
and once we've come to a decision we can implement it
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Should we make a decision on curtailing runaway token hoarding, regardless of what the decision is as long as there is something? (Y/N)
<Superchao>
y
<Freakworld>
y
<turb>
Y
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
this is to make sure the proposal as a basis is supported
<Anton{Politoed}>
Y
<shoutmon>
y
<Gabumon>
I dont understand the question
<DragonFreak>
y
<dia>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's basically "do you want to do something"
<Mariofan169>
y
<Freakworld>
should there be a decision about tokens
<Gabumon>
y
<Meta_Knight>
y
<meowth>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok gr8 so I'll make sure this is a big topic we slam sooner than later
<Anton{Politoed}>
give me a moment to scrawl this down
<Freakworld>
cool
<Superchao>
62-0
<Superchao>
(13-0-0)
<Gamefreak75>
y
<DragonFreak>
also if you put it in perspective of how close everyone is, /10 would make it so everybody is within 100 of each other while /5 makes it so everyone is 150-200 whithin each other
<meowth>
13-0-0
<Freakworld>
thats all i had for pressing issues
<meowth>
14-0-0
<meowth>
fuck off perch i'm the official tallier
<Gabumon>
/5 is too lenient
<Lord_Bowser>
also yeah df has a point
<Anton{Politoed}>
tallymon
<Freakworld>
unless somebody needs to get tournaments or whatever off of their heart id be fine with moving on
<Lord_Bowser>
it would be better if we were all closer together
<Freakworld>
/10 sounds about right
<Lord_Bowser>
so no one has a massive advantage over others
<Nyrie>
y
<meowth>
15-0-0
<meowth>
i think this failed
<Gabumon>
remember: carry-over tokens should just be a bonus
<Anton{Politoed}>
also, I do want to note one thing
<Freakworld>
a wasnt even an option on this poll
<Freakworld>
exactly Gabumon
<Gabumon>
the meat of whether you can afford prizes or not should come from your accomplishments that year
<Anton{Politoed}>
this isn't meant to sway a decision it's just a thing we should remember in consideration
<Freakworld>
a bonus not a strategy
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah per edo
<Freakworld>
thank you for seeing it that way as well
<Anton{Politoed}>
a reason the walkazo donation was successful was because so many people had stockpiles of dispensable tokens that they weren't going to use
<turb>
per edo
<Anton{Politoed}>
if we are to go with something like the /10 at the end of each year
<Toadbert>
yeah if you participate in enough things you should be able to earn enough to buy top level prize right
<Lord_Bowser>
it gives people new to the awards a fair shot as well
<Toadbert>
and maybe win one or two
<Anton{Politoed}>
we will no longer be able to run that kind of donation run in that exact manner, we would have to do something else
<Gabumon>
no anton
<Freakworld>
i mean i hope we wont have to do something like that again
<Gabumon>
that would just mean an individual token can be worth more
<Anton{Politoed}>
good point
<DragonFreak>
yeah that could be true
<dia>
i think we should make this a time delay plan, like announc a concrete plan with set details and stuff, to go into action next year, but
<Anton{Politoed}>
so we'll have to discuss that as well
<Gabumon>
like, if the numbers are small, we dont have to make up ridiculous exchange rates
<Anton{Politoed}>
as of this moment 1 token is worth $0.12
<dia>
i dont know enough about the tokens and stuff to help with the details
<Toadbert>
that seems like a lot
<Toadbert>
but i have no expertise in this
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's what we went with when we figured out the donation amount
<Anton{Politoed}>
it was based on an average of what the prizes were worth in USD to what they were listed as in tokens
<Anton{Politoed}>
it was fairly consistent along the list
<Anton{Politoed}>
except for super expensive game packages that I purposely listed lower
<Anton{Politoed}>
a decision on this would also affect how many tokens each tournament distributes, so we would have to rein that in as well
<turb>
oh, yeah
<Freakworld>
yes
<turb>
i was just about to mention that lol
<Lord_Bowser>
it should be slightly higher in that regard
<dia>
yeah i think the distributions have been kinda crazy
<turb>
tournament exchange rates need to be looked at
<dia>
but i dont pay attention enough to know what to target
<Freakworld>
also important
<turb>
distributions rather
<Freakworld>
make sure the hosts dont pay themselves the most tokens
<Freakworld>
i know for a fact icemario did this
<Superchao>
welcome to mario golf
<turb>
thanks icemari
<Superchao>
hey, he paid me a buncha tokens
<turb>
o
<DragonFreak>
you know i just thought of something, would it be possible/fair to have a uniform tournament token payout
<Superchao>
i ain't complaining
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah after icemario did that we actively tried to do something about that last year
<meowth>
icemario golf
<DragonFreak>
like based on the number of players
<turb>
uniju offering 100 tokens to anyone who finds a game breaking bug in koth never forget
<Anton{Politoed}>
uniform payout is difficult because certain games are more intensive than others
<Freakworld>
tournaments are like bitcoin mining so i guess a reward is good
<Freakworld>
but
<Freakworld>
you need limited quanitiy
<Freakworld>
to keep the economy stable
<Toadbert>
how do we do tournament tokens now
<Anton{Politoed}>
what we did last year was have the hosts request a total amount of tokens they wanted to be available to distribute
<Freakworld>
its the same principle
<Toadbert>
give them out after the tournament's done?
<Anton{Politoed}>
talk among ourselves and OK it
<Freakworld>
if you bring in new tokens you need to regulate
<Anton{Politoed}>
and then give them to the host to distribute as they please
<Toadbert>
maybe we should wait for all tournaments to finish and THEN divvy them out
<Freakworld>
either prize prices or token influx
<Meta_Knight>
some tournaments get started way later than others
<Freakworld>
maybe tb
<Meta_Knight>
like didnt pokemon not start until like mid july
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's a good idea to consider, tb
<Anton{Politoed}>
they did, mk
<Meta_Knight>
because someone didnt have their team ready on time
<Anton{Politoed}>
that was another issue we tried to prevent and were mostly successful with last year
<Freakworld>
tokens being distributed not solely by the hosts might be an idea
<Freakworld>
dude minecraft games didnt start until like
<Freakworld>
september?
<Anton{Politoed}>
mostly successful
<turb>
lol
<turb>
yeah i think it was sept or oct
<Toadbert>
: )
<Meta_Knight>
i know that fw
<Freakworld>
ok
<Superchao>
still a more reliable host than me
<Uniju>
it was late september
<Lakituthequick>
i don't think a host should get an exact amount to distribute per se
<Uniju>
like the 29th or something
<Toadbert>
i can tell you down to the second when we started
<Toadbert>
in my time
<Freakworld>
unix timestamp or gtfo
<Toadbert>
i prefer epoch time
<Freakworld>
lo
<Toadbert>
oh those are the same thing arent they
<turb>
yeah dummy
<Freakworld>
different format i believe
<Toadbert>
i dont use unix you better sit down turb
<Lakituthequick>
unix timestamp is seconds since the epoch right
<Meta_Knight>
oh
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok so I'll make a thread about this in the staff board as well
<Meta_Knight>
that reminded me
<turb>
oh yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
unless edo you would prefer it to be your thread
<turb>
i was gonna ask that too lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
since it was primarily your idea that was supported
<Meta_Knight>
something i just thought about is that this year people might have switches
<turb>
if this was going to be discussed separately from the other token thing
<shoutmon>
only rich hipsters use unix
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah i mentioned that mk
<Toadbert>
me irl
<Gabumon>
I can make a thread
<Meta_Knight>
which there probably wont be anything multiplayer except mario kart 8
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok
<turb>
splatoon 2 possibly
<turb>
that's something that needs to be talked about
<Freakworld>
now we can discuss whether linux counts as unix or not
<Meta_Knight>
depends on when that comes out but yeah
<Lord_Bowser>
would tourneys this year for say mk8 or splatoon be better on wii u or switch
<turb>
tournaments are basically just "do you want to host this and are you responsible" though
<Anton{Politoed}>
so re: tokens what the game plan is then is to determine a decay rate
<Lord_Bowser>
splatoon comes in summer
<Toadbert>
depebnds
<Anton{Politoed}>
and from there, after that is decided
<Freakworld>
it doesnt technically but then again none of the current unixes are unix
<Freakworld>
so
<Anton{Politoed}>
we can take care of the less consequential details of tokens
<turb>
it might be appropriate to have a mk8 tournament for wii u still as the switch is new and not that many people will have it
<Anton{Politoed}>
such as how hosts distribute them
<turb>
and yeah that sounds good
<turb>
@anton
<Superchao>
i'm down for that
<DragonFreak>
i feel like anyone who hasnt bought a switch yet is probably going to wait for mk8/splatoon or holidays so i guess hard to tell lb
<Freakworld>
i mean Lakituthequick had an interesting idea about mk8 i think
<Freakworld>
was it you
<Lakituthequick>
it was me
<Meta_Knight>
has nintendo confirmed any intentions of shutting down nintendo network for wii u yet
<Freakworld>
the one with seperated race and battle tournaments?
<Lakituthequick>
normal races on wii u
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other giant topics of discussion anyone feels we need to address this year?
<Freakworld>
ok
<Lakituthequick>
battles on switch
<Freakworld>
i fully support that
<Meta_Knight>
thats a good idea
<Lord_Bowser>
oh yeah that could work as well
<Toadbert>
are we still trying to cut back on awards in general
<Freakworld>
mk not that i know
<Toadbert>
or just userpedia
<Superchao>
i don't think we need to look into cutting mario/fail yet
<Freakworld>
but i suppose theyll phase it out
<Superchao>
since we're alreadyd ropping to 60
<Anton{Politoed}>
an issue in the last few years was finding enough people to do presentations
<Freakworld>
since switch online isnt based on nintendo network anymore
<Toadbert>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
the shroom/user merger is one way to counter that
<turb>
well, theres things that can be brought up individually if we feel awards are weak
<Lakituthequick>
i'm planning on doing some backup this year again at least
<turb>
but the merger was the big thing
<Anton{Politoed}>
as well as adding a conditional within AC membership to at least have the intention on doing at least one
<Lakituthequick>
and more normal as well
<turb>
as far as i know
<Superchao>
well, enforcing an AC = presentation
<Superchao>
gives us 30% coverage immediately
<Anton{Politoed}>
not a forced requirement, but, at least having been intended on doing one
<turb>
i need to figure out how to make an actually funny presentation this year
<Anton{Politoed}>
i don't wanna ralph it
<turb>
goals
<Gabumon>
question
<Superchao>
and yeah, probably we can cut weak awards and then decide to shrink or stay at 60 as a result
<Lakituthequick>
answer
<Gabumon>
does signing up for backup count as that mandatory presentation?
<Gabumon>
I would say yes
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah that would cover it
<DragonFreak>
backups are probably almost always going to be used
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's always backups even if every slot is filled because there's always going to be at least one person who has an emergency and can't complete theirs
<Lakituthequick>
cut the 'almost', its more or less guaranteed
<Anton{Politoed}>
such as me about 5 years ago when I was suddenly trapped in florida with no internet for all of july
<Meta_Knight>
that sounds scary
<Lakituthequick>
oh no
<Lakituthequick>
no florida
<Lakituthequick>
*not
<Lord_Bowser>
bugs bunny sawing off florida.gif
<Anton{Politoed}>
but yeah as for cutting other awards
<Anton{Politoed}>
at least with our preliminary glazing-over
<DragonFreak>
brb
<Superchao>
glazing-over sounds delicious
<Anton{Politoed}>
turb and I didn't really see too many awards, barring the merger conditions, that really need to be chopped off
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's a few, sure, but last year we covered a lot of those hefty changes
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
if that's it for giant ideas proposed right now, I can get ready to start Mario Awards
<Freakworld>
#saveu7
<Anton{Politoed}>
keep in mind that giant ideas can be proposed at any time, so it's not like this is the last call
<Anton{Politoed}>
just the most convenient time to do so
<DragonFreak>
back
<Freakworld>
wb
<DragonFreak>
thanks fw
<Freakworld>
np
<Nyrie>
i wonder if i can make a good presentation this year
<Meta_Knight>
just making a note im likely not going to be able to do nearly as many presentations as i did last year
<Meta_Knight>
but i'll definitely do one possibly 2
<Toadbert>
nyrie youre gonna get to the point where anyone would give up
<DragonFreak>
it's ok mk you did poochy's work
<Toadbert>
and youll keep doing it
<Superchao>
i don't know yet if i'll be able to do more than on
<turb>
is htis a metaphor for the comic
<Superchao>
but i can at least do the one
<Toadbert>
maybe
<Superchao>
just don't expect qualiy
<Superchao>
*quality
<Toadbert>
idk if i want to do one thats as long this year
<turb>
also fwiw i am ok with moving on to mario
<Freakworld>
i already have a very good plan on one presentation and i can probably do a bunch more like last year
<meowth>
i probably wont be able to do more than one
<Lord_Bowser>
i'll definitely be able to do one and most likely two
<turb>
but obviously theres more than just me here lol
<meowth>
i'm ready for mario
<Nyrie>
i actually know how to use photoshop now so i can use that
<meowth>
letsago
<Lord_Bowser>
give us mario
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright so we're gonna move on to Mario Awards now
<Freakworld>
mario odyssey for best upcoming game
<Anton{Politoed}>
please refer again to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MKs8Rz9QsrkL88EfSI-HAGwSoNQDZT8Tt6MHMDJAFVI/edit if you aren't already
those are all of the games that either came out or will be coming out from the last polling to this year's polling
<DragonFreak>
is there a cutest award and can poochy and yoshi's woolly world win it
<Nyrie>
color splash seems like a damn good contender
<Freakworld>
per
<Anton{Politoed}>
Super Mario Odyssey will be in 2018's jurisdiction
<Superchao>
suddenly, my lack of paying attention to recent mario games bites me in the ass
<Freakworld>
dont put in super mario run that game has no original ost
<Nyrie>
the others i dont think matter
<Anton{Politoed}>
but yeah first up is Best Sound Design
<Lord_Bowser>
it's okay perch i have none of those
<Toadbert>
how can we put off odyssey until later when we have this fanfiction about it already
<meowth>
what about smm 3ds as far as new games for new awards
<Nyrie>
definitely not superstars, that has a shit ost
<meowth>
i also have none of these
<Nyrie>
poochy has the same ost as the wii u version
<Superchao>
the comic just goes in best user fiction, duh
<Anton{Politoed}>
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Paper Mario, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario 64, Super Mario World, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Super Paper Mario, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy’s Kong Quest, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8,
<Anton{Politoed}>
Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
<Superchao>
anyhow, i have not listened to a single track from any of those games
<Superchao>
so i cannot help for this one
<DragonFreak>
yeah we should add color splash
<Superchao>
sorry
<Nyrie>
would mk8d replace color splash
<Anton{Politoed}>
there are currently 15 nominees
<Nyrie>
shit
<Nyrie>
i mean
<Lord_Bowser>
+color splash
<Nyrie>
mk8*****
<Anton{Politoed}>
our soft upper limit for awards is 15
<turb>
question
<turb>
oh ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
with 18 being the hard limit
<turb>
that was my question
<Gamefreak75>
mk8 is on there already
<meowth>
Mario Kart 8/Deluxe
<DragonFreak>
how much is in this award already
<turb>
if we were still adhering to the limits LOL
<Gamefreak75>
just name it mk8/deluxe
<Anton{Politoed}>
any more than 15 would need to be justified
<Freakworld>
id say so nyrie, or maybe add 8/deluxe
<Superchao>
15
<turb>
i'm a good subdirector
<Nyrie>
oh yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
+more so than anything up until 15
<Nyrie>
i mean deluxe just has a few extra tracks for the battle stuff so
<Anton{Politoed}>
15) Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island — 51 — 1.92% 16) O. Super Mario Sunshine — 12 — 0.45%
<Lakituthequick>
do we have a 'results from last year' sheet by any chanc?
<Nyrie>
tracks as in music tracks
<meowth>
whats the lowest scoring nominee from last ye----
<DragonFreak>
ok so we could add cs without removing anything
<Gabumon>
if there's good music in one of the new games it should definitely be added
<Gamefreak75>
rip smw2 :(
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's the lowest polling solid nominee, and the highest write-in
<DragonFreak>
how did yoshi's island get only 15
<Gabumon>
even at the expense of an older entry if necessary
<DragonFreak>
with that last boss battle
<Anton{Politoed}>
it got 51
<DragonFreak>
i blame you lb
<Gamefreak75>
51
<Superchao>
what's the gap between 14 and 15
<Lakituthequick>
also i listened to colour splash music its pretty good
<Lord_Bowser>
i would remove yi
<Freakworld>
oh the fuck did yi lose again
<meowth>
i dont know any of the osts but ive heard good things about color splashes
<Anton{Politoed}>
14) Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam — 72 — 2.71%
<Freakworld>
*how
<Superchao>
eessh
<Lord_Bowser>
also what did i do doof >:(
<meowth>
21 votes
<Freakworld>
id rather remove paper jam
<meowth>
thats not small
<Nyrie>
color splash's ost is fantastic
<Anton{Politoed}>
I don't think anything needs to be removed
<DragonFreak>
you didnt harness your bowser enough for yi to win or something
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's my opinion though
<DragonFreak>
i dont think so either
<Gamefreak75>
maybe we can make an exception
<Nyrie>
and the overall sound design is pretty great as well
<Freakworld>
i mean im pretty sure i voted for yoshis island on best sound design lol
<Gamefreak75>
and make this poll 16
<Gamefreak75>
nominees
<turb>
yeah nothing stands out to me as a removal
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'd be fine with that
<turb>
18 is our hard limit so im fine with it
<meowth>
i can live with sixteen on this
<Nyrie>
yeah dont remove anything just add cs
<Superchao>
i'd be ok with that
<Freakworld>
per
<Gamefreak75>
probably would be like one of the only polls for this
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah nothing really desperately needs to be cut
<Meta_Knight>
yeah yoshi's island has a really good ost and has a distinct style
<Gamefreak75>
16 nominees
<Lord_Bowser>
just add cs
<Meta_Knight>
i wouldnt want to remove it
<Superchao>
i've always felt that A1 and A30 are okay to make large
<Superchao>
A29 too
<turb>
add cs and slap on deluxe to mk8?
<Superchao>
since they're big dals
<Superchao>
*deals
<Nyrie>
oh yeah, per turb as well
<Meta_Knight>
sounds good to me
<turb>
deluxe will be out by the time polls happen so
<Nyrie>
put deluxe on there
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Paper Mario: Color Splash" to M1? (Y/N/A)
<Superchao>
y
<Gamefreak75>
i think we dont need a vote on the latter
<turb>
Y
<Nyrie>
y
<Superchao>
y
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<Gamefreak75>
y
<Meta_Knight>
y
<Freakworld>
y
<dia>
y
<Gabumon>
a
<DragonFreak>
y
<Mariofan169>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
it is added
<Freakworld>
ye
<Lord_Bowser>
woo
<DragonFreak>
wait no anton we have to let smasher make it offiical
<Superchao>
meowth:
<Lord_Bowser>
mEOWTH
<Anton{Politoed}>
the world is waiting our decision
<meowth>
y
<Freakworld>
o shit waddup
<meowth>
one second
<DragonFreak>
you know that typing of lowercase and then all uppercase really bothers me for some reason
<meowth>
13-0-1
<meowth>
ive saved the day again
<Anton{Politoed}>
wii did it
<Freakworld>
sTiLl bEtTeR tHaN tHiS
<Mariofan169>
MeOWtH
<Lord_Bowser>
hooray
DragonFreakdies
<Lakituthequick>
:partypopper:
<DragonFreak>
smasher is the true hero of the awards
<Anton{Politoed}>
what's this about deluxe though
<DragonFreak>
oh change mk8 into mk8/deluxe
<Freakworld>
basically make mario kart 8/deluxe
<Lakituthequick>
well its got all of mk8's music
<meowth>
just changing mk8 to mk8/deluxe
<Nyrie>
change "Mario Kart 8" into "Mario Kart 8 (Deluxe)"
<Lakituthequick>
+ a few new ones
<Nyrie>
or /Deluxe
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah i'm for that
<Nyrie>
either works
<meowth>
because its the same game with a few additions
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok the "+ a few new ones" justifies it
<Freakworld>
per nyries wording on this
<Anton{Politoed}>
because if it was just the same then who cares
<Lord_Bowser>
mk8dx alone is far too small
<Mariofan169>
so I guess we're updating mk8 to deluxe in all awards then
<Anton{Politoed}>
let's look briefly at the list to see if there's a standard for including basically two games in one
<Mariofan169>
I'm fine with that
<Freakworld>
i guess so as well
<meowth>
its like always ___/___ iirc
<meowth>
but i could be wrong
<Nyrie>
"Donkey Kong (Game Boy)/Mario vs. Donkey Kong (GBA)"
<Mariofan169>
I don't think 64 ds had any new tracks
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<Freakworld>
mario kart 8 + mario kart 8 deluxe
<Anton{Politoed}>
"Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U"
<Freakworld>
shoey.
<meowth>
i cant look at the list easily because google docs detests me
<Lakituthequick>
M3: Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS
<Nyrie>
"Mario vs. Donkey Kong (2 and onwards)"
<Mariofan169>
besides some songs from sunshine
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
Freakworld
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
so what are talking about right now
<shoutmon>
64ds did had new tracks
<Freakworld>
change mk8
<Freakworld>
into
<Superchao>
it had a couple, iirc
<Freakworld>
mk8deluxe
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah the minigames
<Freakworld>
on a1
<shoutmon>
the sunshine stage had the delphino plaza music, and there were minigames with original music
<Freakworld>
or m1
<Mariofan169>
we can update that then
<Freakworld>
are we calling them m now
<Freakworld>
i forgot
<turb>
tfw still calling it a1
<Meta_Knight>
the problem with having it be just deluxe fw is that not everyone will have mk8 deluxe
<meowth>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm seeing no dissent in including Deluxe in so it's just figuring out the naming
<turb>
yeah its m now
<Freakworld>
ok
<Nyrie>
i think "Mario Kart 8 / Mario Kart 8 Deluxe"
<Nyrie>
is good
<Lord_Bowser>
per nyrie
<Superchao>
i totally forgot it's m now
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah that follows the standard
<Lakituthequick>
"Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe"
<Freakworld>
me too lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
unless we want to change that standard
<Freakworld>
i colloquially still use a
<Nyrie>
it's fine by me
<Superchao>
i like the standard
<Lord_Bowser>
i think it's fine as is
<Gabumon>
standard is fine
<turb>
standard is ok
<meowth>
this is fine
<Freakworld>
voting time
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
what award are you talking about
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Change "Mario Kart 8" to "Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe"? (Y/N/A)
<Freakworld>
y
<meowth>
y
<Nyrie>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<turb>
y
<Gabumon>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
M1 Best Sound Design
<Mariofan169>
y
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
y
<meowth>
9-0-0
<shoutmon>
y
<DragonFreak>
y
<Meta_Knight>
y
<Superchao>
y
<meowth>
12-0-0
<meowth>
13-0-0
<Gamefreak75>
y
<Mariofan169>
though "mario kart 8/deluxe sounds less clunky imo
<meowth>
14-0-0
<Freakworld>
yeah but its wrong
<Freakworld>
its mario kart 8 or mario kart deluxe
<Nyrie>
some kid would think that there's a mk game just called "deluxe"
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah it sounds cynical and bad but
<Lord_Bowser>
better to be specific imo
<Anton{Politoed}>
we have to run with the assumption that the voter has no clue what they're voting on
<Anton{Politoed}>
we have to be specific
<Freakworld>
the du
<Freakworld>
dumbest user
<meowth>
"what is mario?"
<Freakworld>
or rather dpu
<Anton{Politoed}>
you won't believe the write-ins we dump
<Freakworld>
dumbest possible user
<Lakituthequick>
can you eat peach?
<Nyrie>
votes for 3d world for best game
<turb>
yeah you guys should see the tallying sometime
<Nyrie>
can you eat perch
<Lord_Bowser>
is bowser a boy or a girl
<Mariofan169>
"can you smell daisy?"
<Superchao>
wtf nyrie
<Freakworld>
kek
<Superchao>
i'm not for dinner :I
<turb>
or just read the bloopers
<Lakituthequick>
indeed
<Freakworld>
i wonder whats for dinner
<Superchao>
the bloopers give me life
<Lakituthequick>
youre for breakfast instead
<meowth>
the bloopers are a fun time
<DragonFreak>
[20:19] Nyrie votes for 3d world for best game
<DragonFreak>
could argue for best soundtrack imo
<Nyrie>
bloopers are the best award
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other decisions to be made re: M1 Best Sound Design?
<Nyrie>
no
<Superchao>
Fuck-Ass Bitch Kong is still one of my all-time favorites
<meowth>
Smasher's Dial-Up Kong
<Nyrie>
oh god good ol' FABK
<Meta_Knight>
m1 is good now
<turb>
i'm good with m1 myself
<Anton{Politoed}>
keep in mind that as the upcoming games are released we will look back over them
<Lord_Bowser>
m1 is fine yeah
<meowth>
of course thats our own fault
<Superchao>
it's *thumbsup* ALL GOOD
<meowth>
move on
<Anton{Politoed}>
and we also go over the entire list like 3 separate times
<Nyrie>
can we add Super Mario Arms
<DragonFreak>
ok i went back to make sure 3dw was in there and it is so im good
<Mariofan169>
super mario 1 2 switch
<meowth>
Favorite Upcoming Game: Arms
<Anton{Politoed}>
next up:
<Anton{Politoed}>
M2 Favorite Mario Kart Game (Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario Kart DS, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 7, Mario Kart 8)
<Gabumon>
do the same shit we just did
<Freakworld>
legend of zelda mario dlc
<meowth>
8 to deluxe
<DragonFreak>
8)
<meowth>
done
<Anton{Politoed}>
including deluxe as per M1 is a given
<Nyrie>
Mario Kart 8)
mcd has left irc.darkmyst.org:6697 (Quit: z)
<Lord_Bowser>
besides dx nothing needs to be changed
<Meta_Knight>
thats really all that has to be done
<Superchao>
mcd was here?
<Nyrie>
would deluxe be seperate though
<turb>
is it worth making it separate
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's a good point
<Freakworld>
per
<Nyrie>
would anyone like regular mk8 more
<Freakworld>
dont think about readding arcade
<Nyrie>
deluxe is the same game with more content
<Freakworld>
everything is fine here
<Anton{Politoed}>
but then again
<Anton{Politoed}>
SSB 3DS / Wii U are slammed together
<turb>
i mean it's different enough from slapping it on to soundtrakc since there are gameplay differences but
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
and they have A LOT of different shit
<turb>
thats why id be ok with slamming them together
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
I agree wth keepting them togethe
<meowth>
i dont really see a need to make it separate myself
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
r
<Anton{Politoed}>
despite being the same game
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah
<Freakworld>
nah dont make deluxe seperate imo
<Freakworld>
its still the same game
<turb>
ssb 3ds/wii u are a lot more different than mk8/deluxe are it seems
<Nyrie>
yeah just do the same thing as m1
<Superchao>
deluxe is the same but more
<Lord_Bowser>
keep dx with mk8
<meowth>
it only has a little new content
<Superchao>
let's put them togther
<Anton{Politoed}>
not putting this to a vote because it's clear
<Freakworld>
y
<Meta_Knight>
that seems fair
<Anton{Politoed}>
nothing else is new so no changes are to be made, M2 already holds all possible games except for the arcade games
<Freakworld>
those suck sadly
<Gabumon>
vote on whether a vote is necessary y-n-m
<Nyrie>
n
<Superchao>
y
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
y
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<Toadbert>
m
<meowth>
6
<Freakworld>
a
<Anton{Politoed}>
w for wumbo
<Meta_Knight>
a
<Gabumon>
dont enlarge our workload
<Lakituthequick>
mayonaise
<Nyrie>
f
<Mariofan169>
&
<Anton{Politoed}>
next up:
<meowth>
3(y)-1(n)-1(m)-2(a)-1(w)-1(f)-1(6)-1(&)
<Anton{Politoed}>
M3 Favorite Mario Platformer (Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario 3D Land, New Super Mario Bros. 2, New Super Mario Bros. U/New Super Luigi U, Super Mario 3D World)
<Anton{Politoed}>
let's discuss removals first
<meowth>
remind me to never do that again
<Toadbert>
never do that again
<Superchao>
well, what's down at the bottom
<Lakituthequick>
nitpick from ltq (tm)
<Anton{Politoed}>
12) Super Mario Bros. — 49 — 1.78% 13) New Super Mario Bros. 2 — 29 — 1.06% 14) O. Super Mario Bros. 2 — 9 — 0.33%
<turb>
lol nsmb2
<Superchao>
i feel like we can kill NSMB2
<Anton{Politoed}>
are removals even necessary
<Lord_Bowser>
remove nsmb2
<meowth>
nsmb2 goty
<turb>
i honestly don't think removing nsmb2 is necessary
<Mariofan169>
4 new games are a bit much
<Freakworld>
per killing nsmb2
<meowth>
i dont necessarily think nsmb2 needs to be removed
<Lakituthequick>
sm64 and ds have a slash without spaces surrounding
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
Kill nsmb2
<Mariofan169>
plus there's the matter of super mario run
<Anton{Politoed}>
we are still within the limit of 15 but that doesn't imply we have to keep it
<turb>
it performed shittily but it's not terrible
<Lakituthequick>
nsmbu as well
<Nyrie>
oh right super mario run
<turb>
im pretty neutral though
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
I thnk adding super mario run is a good idea for now
<Meta_Knight>
how many nominees here are there
<Freakworld>
add super mario run
<meowth>
13
<Superchao>
yeah, let's give run a chance
<Anton{Politoed}>
we're talking about removals now
<Freakworld>
im the only person who genuinely likes super mario run but w/e
<turb>
like shittier than usual but it didn't get less votes that a writein
<turb>
than
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
remove nsmb2
<Freakworld>
remove nsmb2
<Nyrie>
i dont think we should remove nsmb2
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove NSMB2? (Y/N/A)
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<meowth>
i'm personally ok with leaving as is but if nsmb2 dies i dont think anyone would miss it
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
y
<Freakworld>
y
<DragonFreak>
y
<Gabumon>
a
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Mariofan169>
a
<meowth>
ehhh a
<Meta_Knight>
a
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
it's the worst of the bunch and it's not popular
<Nyrie>
a
<turb>
a
<meowth>
5-0-6
<turb>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMWmi9ovX7M
<meowth>
the abstains have it
<Superchao>
y
<meowth>
6-0-6
<turb>
i prepared for this very moment
<Superchao>
YES
<Superchao>
i've been looking for that video for so long
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
good work turb
<Superchao>
much thnak
<turb>
yw
<Nyrie>
sexy lady
<DragonFreak>
turb i love you
<Lord_Bowser>
lmao
<turb>
thanks
<Lakituthequick>
shouldnt there be a thing about ties with abstains
<Lord_Bowser>
that's great turb
<Anton{Politoed}>
NSMB2 is removed
<Freakworld>
woo
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
Hey anton
<meowth>
adios
<Mariofan169>
pffft
<Superchao>
not really
<Superchao>
because abstains are just "i don't vote"
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
if there were more a's then y's would nsmb2 have stayed?
<Freakworld>
its not like these are the most
<Meta_Knight>
i voted abstain because i dont really mind if its removed or not
<Anton{Politoed}>
no
<Freakworld>
formal votes ever
<meowth>
no
<Lakituthequick>
okay, perfect
<Anton{Politoed}>
let's say if the vote was like
<meowth>
abstains dont really affect it unless like
<meowth>
3 people vote
<Anton{Politoed}>
4/3/8
<Anton{Politoed}>
then the vote would be canceled and further discussion would be required
<Anton{Politoed}>
but no one said N
<meowth>
or if its really divisive yeah
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
ok just checking
<Anton{Politoed}>
anything else desired to be removed?
<Nyrie>
no
<meowth>
in this case it was either "kill it" or "who cares" so!
<Mariofan169>
that's it
<meowth>
no
<Anton{Politoed}>
12) Super Mario Bros. — 49 — 1.78% 13) New Super Mario Bros. 2 — 29 — 1.06%
<Lord_Bowser>
nah
<Anton{Politoed}>
that was the next closest
<turb>
imo everything else is fine
<meowth>
smb got enough to stay imo
<turb>
smb is, well, smb
<turb>
and it got enough to stay
<meowth>
and is also smb
<turb>
even ignoring the nostalgia factor
<Freakworld>
we cant remove that
<Freakworld>
lol
<Superchao>
yeah, keep the origin
<Anton{Politoed}>
next vote is pretty straightforward
<meowth>
so move on to adding
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
i'd be fine with removing it but w/e
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Super Mario Run"? (Y/N/A)
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
y
<Freakworld>
y
<Mariofan169>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
y
<Superchao>
y
<Nyrie>
y
<DragonFreak>
y
<Lord_Bowser>
a
<meowth>
y
<shoutmon>
y
<Meta_Knight>
a
<turb>
y
<Lakituthequick>
a
<meowth>
10-0-3
<Gabumon>
a
<meowth>
the era of running has begun
<meowth>
10-0-4
<Freakworld>
ye
<Superchao>
run, mario, ru
<Superchao>
*run
<Freakworld>
is that game out on android by now
<Lord_Bowser>
no
<Anton{Politoed}>
Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World and Super Mario Odyssey are the only other games that fit platformer
<Freakworld>
kek
<Anton{Politoed}>
the former is covered by another award, and the latter not this year
<Gabumon>
actually wait
<Meta_Knight>
odyssey wont be out
<Gabumon>
is super mario run a platformer?
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
I'd be ok with wolly world
<Nyrie>
yeah
<Freakworld>
yes Gabumon
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
it's a 3d platformer
<Superchao>
i feel it's close enough
<DragonFreak>
no it would be a 2d platformer
<Anton{Politoed}>
the wiki lists it as a platformer
<Freakworld>
its a platformer with automatic running
<DragonFreak>
2.5d?
<Freakworld>
same as geometry dash for example
<Anton{Politoed}>
wikipedia does not list it as one, necessarily
<Freakworld>
were not wikipedia
<Anton{Politoed}>
so this would be using our own definition as determined by whatever whoever put it on the wiki said
<Gabumon>
like, I thought it was an endless runner
<turb>
is an endless runner technically a platformer
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
sorry I misread what edo said my fault
<Lord_Bowser>
the wiki is a better source for this kind of info than wikipedia imo
<Freakworld>
per turb
<shoutmon>
i dont think its endless
<turb>
idk what they're qualified as usually
<turb>
beyond wikipedia
<DragonFreak>
yeah it's not endless
<Freakworld>
a runner is a platformer in my book
<turb>
or the wiki itself
<shoutmon>
the levels have a distinct end point that you reach
<Superchao>
well, an endless runner is basically a platforming game at its heart, just one with automatic motion
<turb>
oh
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
I mean it's got all the features of a platformer
<DragonFreak>
there's beginning and endings to eveyr level
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
it's just an auto pilot
<turb>
if it has a distinct end point i guess that could qualify it more
<turb>
its auto pilot with one button
<turb>
but still a platformer?
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah, what shoey said
<turb>
i think that's fair
<Freakworld>
wikipedia knows nothig
<Gabumon>
ok
<Freakworld>
piece of trash website
<Freakworld>
smh
<Anton{Politoed}>
next up:
<Anton{Politoed}>
M4 Favorite Mario Kart Course (Bowser’s Castle (Mario Kart 64), Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 7), Wario Colosseum, Waluigi Pinball, Airship Fortress, Mushroom Gorge, Coconut Mall, Maple Treeway, Electrodrome, N64 Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 8), Mount Wario, Mute City, Animal Crossing, Baby Park, Big Blue)
<Lakituthequick>
one more thing
<Lakituthequick>
[Sat 03:24:37] Lakituthequick nitpick from ltq (tm)
<Lakituthequick>
Lakituthequick sm64 and ds have a slash without spaces surrounding
<Lakituthequick>
[Sat 03:25:21] Lakituthequick nsmbu as well
<Superchao>
what is it uncle
<turb>
f
<turb>
@reference
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's a typographical quirk of mine
<Anton{Politoed}>
I prefer spaces
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'll mark it in my notes to homogenize
<Lakituthequick>
:ok:
<turb>
does mk8 deluxe add any new tracks
<turb>
or is it just battle courses
<Freakworld>
im gonna say leave this as it is
<Superchao>
well wait
<Freakworld>
no just battle arenas
<Superchao>
let's see the results
<Superchao>
what was the bottom one and top write in
<meowth>
i think its just dlc tracks
<Anton{Politoed}>
13) Big Blue — 101 — 3.83% 14) Animal Crossing — 56 — 2.12% 15) Mute City — 53 — 2.01% 16) O. Rainbow Road (Mario Kart Wii) — 24 — 0.91% 16) O. Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart) — 24 — 0.91%
<Superchao>
hmm
<Freakworld>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mute city was that low
<Superchao>
okay, not really enough to justify a swap, imo
<Freakworld>
WEW lad
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
personally i'm in favor of removing animal crossing
<meowth>
iiii dunno what to do there
<Anton{Politoed}>
Animal Crossing and Mute City do have significantly lower numbers
<Freakworld>
and no
<Superchao>
possible, if we want to trim it down
<Superchao>
but it feels like unnecessary cutting to me
<Anton{Politoed}>
and yeah, it's at 15
<meowth>
50+ votes is still pretty good
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
but does it have any chance of ever getting more
<turb>
possibly
<turb>
it depends on voters
<meowth>
it could
<turb>
i dont really want to remove either but
<turb>
shrug
<Superchao>
let's vote on each one and see
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's hard to determine that, it's the first year it's on the award
<Freakworld>
like i said i wouldnt remove anything
<Anton{Politoed}>
Animal Crossing, that is
<Lakituthequick>
we have another fzero course as well so
<Freakworld>
that one did kinda bad as well
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
do we need both f-zero courses
<Anton{Politoed}>
how many new courses are there and are any of note
<Superchao>
that's never stopped us from having a bunch of mario guys on the smash thing
<Lakituthequick>
we could only keep the one that dod better
<Freakworld>
yes shoey
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
are they taking votes from each other
<Freakworld>
they were both top
<Mariofan169>
I've never bought any dlc for mk8
<Freakworld>
there are no new courses in deluxe
<Freakworld>
only battle arenas
<Lakituthequick>
13) Big Blue — 101 — 3.83%
<meowth>
i will say
<Mariofan169>
but there's a slight chance both f-zero tracks are there mostly because they're hip 3rd party dlc tracks
<meowth>
that if we were to remove/swap
<meowth>
either keep both or ditch both
<meowth>
given that theyre really close
<meowth>
ac and mc, i mean
<Freakworld>
we should vote
<Superchao>
what about dc
<Meta_Knight>
seems fair
<Mariofan169>
but even then, I don't want anything to be cut for no reason
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any that could be added
<Lord_Bowser>
ribbon road from mk8
<Freakworld>
from the top of my head no
<meowth>
i guess just the possible rainbow roads there
<meowth>
but i personally think this is fine as it
<Lakituthequick>
do we want a load of rr's though
<Lord_Bowser>
neo bowser city
<Superchao>
rainbow rumble
<Lakituthequick>
i'd go for koopa cape then
<meowth>
that too
<Freakworld>
"best rainbow road"
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah that's my personal concern
<meowth>
theres already two rrs on the award
<Freakworld>
new super award (tm)
<meowth>
so yeah im voting against any changes
<Anton{Politoed}>
i mean they /are/ all individual courses, just similar in name and theme
<Anton{Politoed}>
like how there's ice courses
<Anton{Politoed}>
so it's not entirely fair to lump them to all be considered as one, basically
<Anton{Politoed}>
but still _
<Lakituthequick>
ice courses gerneally have their own names and layouts and features
<Lakituthequick>
sharing just cold
<Meta_Knight>
yeah i wouldnt want to lump them either
<Anton{Politoed}>
but do you get the point, at least
<Meta_Knight>
some rainbow roads are far better than others
<meowth>
i dont think were lumping them
<Anton{Politoed}>
"rainbow road" is more just a course theme
<Lakituthequick>
i get the point yeah
<Lord_Bowser>
lumping all of the rr's would be a bad idea yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
no i mean
<Anton{Politoed}>
i know we're not lumping them
<Meta_Knight>
well i know its just like a theme
<Anton{Politoed}>
but choosing to not add them to the main nominees because there's already a few others up there doesn't seem exactly fair
<Anton{Politoed}>
even if it still bothers me subjectively
<meowth>
fair enough
<Lakituthequick>
rr's share everything execpt layout and the occasiobal moon
<Meta_Knight>
just like the standard desert course, ice course, bowser castle, etc
<Gamefreak75>
sorry had to make dinner
<meowth>
i'm mostly opposing them because i don't think there's enough difference in votes to justify a swap this year
<turb>
i mean it bugs me too but i also dont want to go out of my way to add them if they didnt get THAT many votes
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
so I guess what we do first, since there's still room to cram them in and it'd still be 17
<turb>
what smasher said
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add both "Rainbow Road (Mario Kart Wii)" and "Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart)"? (Y/N/A)
<meowth>
n
<Freakworld>
n
<Lakituthequick>
n
<Mariofan169>
a
<turb>
n
<Lord_Bowser>
a
<Gamefreak75>
n
<Meta_Knight>
n
<meowth>
0-4-2
<shoutmon>
a
<DragonFreak>
a
<Superchao>
n
<meowth>
0-7-4
<Anton{Politoed}>
they will not be added, so moving on
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove "Mute City"? (Y/N/A)
<meowth>
fuck rainbows
<meowth>
n
<Freakworld>
n
<Lord_Bowser>
n
<shoutmon>
a
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Gamefreak75>
n
<Meta_Knight>
n
<Nyrie>
n
<meowth>
1-6-1
<DragonFreak>
n
<meowth>
1-7-1
<Anton{Politoed}>
mute city will not be removed
<Anton{Politoed}>
out of fairness
<Gabumon>
a
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove "Animal Crossing"? (Y/N/A)
<Superchao>
n
<Lakituthequick>
a
<Lord_Bowser>
a
<Freakworld>
a
<Gabumon>
a
<dia>
a
<Anton{Politoed}>
n
<Meta_Knight>
n
<meowth>
n
<DragonFreak>
n
<shoutmon>
a
<meowth>
0-4-5
<meowth>
i cant tell if perch was saying n to this or mc
<meowth>
0-4-6
<Superchao>
animal crossing
<meowth>
or both
<Anton{Politoed}>
animal crossing will not be removed
<Anton{Politoed}>
anything else to consider for M4?
<meowth>
0-5-6
<meowth>
move on
<turb>
id say move on
<Superchao>
n
<turb>
sorry for missing the votes lol
<Lord_Bowser>
move on
<Anton{Politoed}>
next up:
<Anton{Politoed}>
M5 Favorite DK Game (Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy’s Kong Quest, Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!, Donkey Kong 64, Diddy Kong Racing, Donkey Kong Country Returns/Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D, Donkey Kong Jr. Math, Donkey Kong (Arcade), Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat,
<Anton{Politoed}>
Donkey Kong ‘94 (Game Boy))
<Meta_Knight>
i dont think anything has to be changed
<Anton{Politoed}>
9) Donkey Kong (Game Boy) — 79 — 3.32% 10) Donkey Kong Jungle Beat — 50 — 2.10% 11) Donkey Kong Jr. Math — 41 — 1.72% 12) O. Donkey Konga — 7 — 0.29%
<Mariofan169>
why is math still here again
<Anton{Politoed}>
I don't think anything needs to be changed, either
<Superchao>
it's a meme
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
it's a local meme
<Mariofan169>
can't argue with that
<Freakworld>
move on
<Lord_Bowser>
move on
<meowth>
i will never understand maths inclusion but at least it got reasonable votes this time
<meowth>
!skip
<Mariofan169>
lol at math having more votes than donkey konga
<turb>
!skip
<Superchao>
!status
<Anton{Politoed}>
next up:
<Anton{Politoed}>
M6 Favorite Wario Game (Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3, Wario Land 3, Wario Land 4, WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Game$!, WarioWare: Twisted!, WarioWare: Touched!, WarioWare: Smooth Moves, Wario: Master of Disguise, Wario Land: Shake It!, WarioWare: D.I.Y., Wario World, Game & Wario, Wario Land II)
<Freakworld>
!end
<meowth>
why play the bongos when you can add
<Meta_Knight>
this ddoesnt need to be changed either imo
<Lord_Bowser>
Waiting on: 1. <turb>
<Anton{Politoed}>
13) WarioWare: Twisted! — 51 — 2.32% 14) O. Wario's Woods — 5 — 0.23% 15) O. Virtual Boy Wario Land — 1 — 0.05%
<meowth>
!skip
<Superchao>
lol
<Gabumon>
we should add all the new wario games that came out
<turb>
!skip
<Anton{Politoed}>
likewise with M4
<Superchao>
don't change
<Anton{Politoed}>
y
<turb>
edo dont do this to me
<Superchao>
edo pls
<Mariofan169>
wario's enchilada stand?
<Freakworld>
a
<DragonFreak>
vb wario land was at least the best game on the vb
<Superchao>
-it's a good thing we don't have NIWA awards
<Freakworld>
no that was jack bros.
<Superchao>
imagine how static the Metroid award would be
<meowth>
i think people actually liked vb wl yeah
<meowth>
at least
<Freakworld>
also known as the quintessential shin megami tensei game
<meowth>
the five people who played it lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
next up:
<Anton{Politoed}>
M7 Favorite Yoshi Game (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Yoshi’s Island DS, Tetris Attack, Yoshi’s Story, Yoshi Touch & Go, Yoshi’s Cookie, Yoshi, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, Yoshi’s New Island, Yoshi’s Woolly World)
<Mariofan169>
the 7-yeah lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
this already includes everything
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
Federation force goty blocky
<Gabumon>
about as static than samus' voice in other m?
<Gabumon>
*as
<turb>
slap Poochy & to the front of yww
<Freakworld>
poochy &
<Meta_Knight>
shoudl we merge poochy port to it
<meowth>
do we do anything with poochy
<Anton{Politoed}>
except for Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World which we can easily yeah that
<Meta_Knight>
yeah
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
is the poochy version any different
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah
<Superchao>
freakworld i can only assume you mean Virtual Boy Wario Land is the quintessential SMT game
i mean if people know about yww they kinda have to know about poochy
<Anton{Politoed}>
Option 2: "(Poochy &) Yoshi's Woolly World"
<Lord_Bowser>
i really don't see how they could be kept in the dark like that
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
1
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: 1/2/A
<Nyrie>
1
<Lord_Bowser>
2
<Lakituthequick>
2
<DragonFreak>
2
<Gabumon>
1
<Freakworld>
2
<Mariofan169>
poochy, then poochies, then poochy 3, then poochy resurrection
<Anton{Politoed}>
1
<meowth>
a
<Superchao>
A
<shoutmon>
a
<meowth>
im torn between them
<Nyrie>
although i think they should be switched around
<Gabumon>
1.5
<Nyrie>
since yww came before p&ywww
<turb>
1
<Mariofan169>
inevitably followed up by poochy vs epona
<meowth>
1 is a little more accurate but 2 sounds less stupid
<Anton{Politoed}>
good point Nyrie
<meowth>
but yes per nyrie if we go with 1
<turb>
per nyrie if we do 1
<Anton{Politoed}>
retcon Option 1 into what Nyrie said
<Gabumon>
I agree, they should be flipped
<meowth>
its always the first version first
<Marshal_Dan_Troop>
still 1
<meowth>
let me see now
<Meta_Knight>
a
<DragonFreak>
still 2
<meowth>
5-4-4
<Lakituthequick>
by that logic 1 /does/ make sense
<Freakworld>
im too tired to argze
<Anton{Politoed}>
too close to call
<Freakworld>
*argue
<Gabumon>
1 is number 1
<Anton{Politoed}>
I will make this a forum poll
<DragonFreak>
we are number 1
<meowth>
this is too close unless people suddenly change last minute
<Nyrie>
i thought 1 was the standard
<Nyrie>
we did "mk8 / mk8d"
<Nyrie>
why is it different with this
<Freakworld>
because its effing long
<meowth>
i guess thats true
<Nyrie>
so is mario kart 8 deluxe
<Gabumon>
who cares
<Anton{Politoed}>
because it's at the front so it's weird and different
<DragonFreak>
idk i feel like 2 just sounds better
<Lord_Bowser>
it's pretty clunky imo
<Lord_Bowser>
2 is cleaner
<turb>
i prefer 1 just because of how stupid the writeins are
<meowth>
tbf i found mk8 / mk8d annoying too
<meowth>
but writein people can be dumb so
<Mariofan169>
one idea is not having poochy at all
<shoutmon>
wrong
<meowth>
switch vote to 1, 6-4-3
<shoutmon>
that's not an idea
<Nyrie>
well id be 100% fine with doing 2 but only if we went back and changed mk8/mk8d
<Lord_Bowser>
and like i said i find it hard to believe that people can know about yww but not p&yww
<turb>
incorrect idea
<Gabumon>
I mean
<turb>
deleted
<Gabumon>
we have a standard already
<Gabumon>
so
<meowth>
yeah but that's a dumb idea
<turb>
per edo
<Gabumon>
just use the standard
<Anton{Politoed}>
that would render the vote close enough to call
<Anton{Politoed}>
the 6-4-3
<Gabumon>
if we suddenly arbitrarily decide to not use the standard here
<Gabumon>
we might as well not use it anywhere else
<meowth>
thats why i switched
<Meta_Knight>
i guess thats true
<Meta_Knight>
1
<Nyrie>
thank you <3
<meowth>
7-4-3
<turb>
i think its 7-4-2
<DragonFreak>
uhhh i guess i'll just switch to 1 too
<Lakituthequick>
unv: 2 - vote: 1
<Lakituthequick>
rip mafia
<meowth>
yeah whoops
<meowth>
9-2-2
<Freakworld>
guys my battery is dying
<Gabumon>
mafia is ded
<meowth>
remember mafia
<Lord_Bowser>
i'll switch to 1 from 2 then too
<Gabumon>
innocents won forever
<meowth>
10-1-2
<Lakituthequick>
wonder what the result of this vote is
<meowth>
remember five minutes ago when this was close
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other changes to be made to the Yoshi award
<Nyrie>
nope
<Freakworld>
if i dont make it to the end post a "wii did it" for me
<meowth>
no
<meowth>
i wont
<Lakituthequick>
"Something has happened! 1 was Lynched somehow!"
<shoutmon>
but the wii brand is dead now
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok so let me compile my Thing
<shoutmon>
we have to say switch did it
<shoutmon>
even though thats not a pun
<meowth>
we have to switch it up
<Anton{Politoed}>
what will be done soon enough after this meeting closes and I use the toilet because I really need to is:
<Nyrie>
we switched it
<Anton{Politoed}>
*I will make a thread to discuss the Shroom/User Award merger
<Lord_Bowser>
it pulled the switch on the wii brand
<meowth>
wii are dead
<shoutmon>
wow has it already been two hours
<shoutmon>
amazing
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Edo will be making a thread to discuss the /10 decay rate, which will then flow into other token discussions
<Anton{Politoed}>
*I'll homogenize the / spacing because i'm bad about that
<shoutmon>
anyway freakworld before you die, macos is actually a certified unix
<Anton{Politoed}>
-We got through M1-7
<shoutmon>
thats why i said rich hipsters use it
<Freakworld>
wew lad ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
next meeting will take place same day of the week at technically the same time
<turb>
hooray
<Anton{Politoed}>
but because of daylight savings it'll switch
Anton{Politoed}makes a click sound
<turb>
i hate daylight savings
<shoutmon>
is that why you moved to arizona
<meowth>
it'll "switch"
turb has changed the topic to ``"An Excellent Meeting" - Chef Excellence, 2017 || Awards un-canceled thanks to court decided binding contract || 1st meeting hype || https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=38178.0 Relevant Links || Number of meetings survived: 0 || Our mascot http://i.imgur.com/hbOuM8l.png''
<Anton{Politoed}>
the reminder message will use the [time] thing so that will remain accurate
<turb>
it makes it worse actually because the rest of the country uses it
meowth has changed the topic to ``"An Excellent Meeting" - Chef Excellence, 2017 || Awards un-canceled thanks to court decided binding contract || 1st meeting hype || https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=38178.0 Relevant Links || Number of meetings survived: 1 || Our mascot http://i.imgur.com/hbOuM8l.png''
<Superchao>
>number of meetings
<Superchao>
yeah i was gonna say
<Freakworld>
nice stuff
<turb>
i wasnt sure if anton wanted to update that
<meowth>
1st meeting hype
<turb>
so i left it
<Freakworld>
well then lads
<Freakworld>
ill go to bed
<turb>
maybe we all died at the end of meeting 1
<shoutmon>
you just need to convince the rest of the country
<shoutmon>
and the world
<turb>
i want to
<Freakworld>
good night
<turb>
good night
<Anton{Politoed}>
and next week the plan is to continue along with M8 and so on, with discussions happening on the forum determining when other things will be brought up