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 <Lakituthequick> 
[obligatory 5-minute-hype post]
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
help
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
holp
 
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 <turb> 
t
 
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 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so hey meeting's starting
 
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 <Lord_Bowser> 
hi
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
here we are again to talk stuff and do things !
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i want to do things
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the plans for this meeting are mostly to go over what we've started on the forum, so:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Finalizing talks on M8 Favorite Art Style
 <smasher> 
h
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Finalizing talks on M9 Favorite DLC
 <__2257> 
hold object last position?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Bringing up what to do with M10 Favorite Partner Developer
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Discussing 22's idea on M5-7 officially
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Loading up Favorite capture
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Possible talks on new award ideas
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Continuing work on the rest of Mario Awards
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if no one has anything super enormous to bring up now we'll begin on M8 in just a minute
 <Gabumon> 
I can't think of anything pressing
 <NEXandGBX> 
same here
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
woo!
 <smasher> 
nope
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so for reference, https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39720.0
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
not here
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
what we had left to do with M8 Favorite Art Style was discussion on a new nominee
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it seems pretty set that the wording on it will be "2D Promotional Artwork style"
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but we haven't exactly settled on whether we're adding it at all and what it means for the state of the award and further implications
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
initially Favorite Art Style was meant for styles in games, as reflected by the nominees
 <Gabumon> 
the concern is that so far we have only really included art styles that were the dominant style in a specific game
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm personally not opposed to adjusting the definition to allow 2D Promo style but in the event we do I think we should address on including comic styles which are just as iconic, if not more so
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
or we could decide on a more specific title of the award simply
 <Lord_Bowser> 
the only really iconic comic style that comes to mind is super mario-kun
 <Lakituthequick> 
i.e. if 2d promo arts get added, maybe add mario kun too and stuff
 <Gabumon> 
yeah
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
are any of the comic styles iconic - yeah
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i dont remember the other styles
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
mario kun is the only one that feels well-known
 <NEXandGBX> 
that seems fine
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's currently 12 nominees in this, so adding 2D wouldn't be a logistical issue, as would adding a couple forms of comic styles, so it's more in the form of definition
 <Lord_Bowser> 
yeah per perch
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i wouldnt mind expanding the definition to incorporate them
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm fine with simply broadending it
 <Gabumon> 
if we add the promo artwork style, we should also include super mario kun
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I agree with that
 <turb> 
agreed
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Baby_Luigi did mention a slipper slope thing but I don't think that's inherently bad or antithetical to including 2D
 <Lakituthequick> 
per
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
slippery*
 <turb> 
I don't think there are too many things that would like, make broadening the definition of the award an actual slippery slope
 <smasher> 
i dont oppose
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
add the donkey kong cartoon style :)
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
(don't)
 <Gabumon> 
I'm ok with adding both, but under the stipulation that we hammer out some kind of specific definition when the time comes
 <turb> 
yeah, thatd be good
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
fine by me
 <Toadbert> 
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JO_Tn9d9u1A/hqdefault.jpg you mean this
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
yes
 <Toadbert> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
highlighting distinct and notable art styles used in mario games and related media...?
 <Lord_Bowser> 
idk
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah, https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39717.0 could use some work put to it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but I agree that this does open a bit of leeway for cartoon styles
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not exactly gung-ho on adding those immediately or talking about it
 <NEXandGBX> 
the dic cartoon style is pretty distinct but i don't know how many votes it would get
 <smasher> 
i have a dkc cartoon video
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i think if we did do cartoon styles the dic one is the only one i'd seriously wanna add
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but it means in the sense that if we agree on the definition change that we just won't toss out those write-ins when they come in
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i dont think anyone legitimately thinks the dic style is the best one anyway
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
as a full nominee
 <Gabumon> 
for now lets leave the cartoons out and see if they get any write-ins
 <Lord_Bowser> 
yeah per edo
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
works for me
 <NEXandGBX> 
seems good
 <smasher> 
agree
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so, time for me to figure out an inclusive vote wording
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Allow the change in definition for M8 Favorite Art Style to include non-games, subsequently allowing in "2D Promotional Artwork style" and "Super Mario-Kun" as nominees? (y/n/a)
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if there is an issue with how wide-reaching this vote is I can change it
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <smasher> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <smasher> 
9-0-0
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <smasher> 
10-0-0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8, it passes
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i've added them on our Full List and put in my notes to mark down the change in definition when we put up a formal wording of it in that thread
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
any other considerations right now for M8?
 <Gabumon> 
nop
 <turb> 
nothing that needs to be addressed right here and now I don't think
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
oh wait i gotta add "style" to the end of mario kun but otherwise _
 <NEXandGBX> 
since we already covered what we'll do with cartoon styles i can't think of anything
 <smasher> 
!skip
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so onto M9 Favorite DLC
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
which in https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39718.0 and last meeting it was pretty uncontested with changing the name, so just to make that official
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Change the title of "M9 Favorite DLC" to "M9 Favorite Add-On Content"? (y/n/a)
 <turb> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
while this vote is ongoing other ideas may be presented still
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <smasher> 
y
 <smasher> 
9-0-0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
excellent, so that's changed
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and with that comes in the potential for a complete shake-up in nominees, something that wasn't really touched on
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
current nominees are:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
The Legend of Zelda × Mario Kart 8, Animal Crossing × Mario Kart 8, Mercedes-Benz × Mario Kart 8, New Super Luigi U, Peach's Castle stage (SSB4), Super Mario Maker stage (SSB4), Super Mario Mash-Up Pack (Minecraft)
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's https://www.mariowiki.com/Category:Downloadable_content to reference but basically we just need to brainstorm what needs to be added or anything to be removed
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
here's https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RsocZ6s-whVG__FrTqGK_CVeDPOJiAVeYBB-7aat2oo/edit#heading=h.culgiaqu7gjr for results
 <Lakituthequick> 
Current nominees seem fine still
 <smasher> 
does that sonic lost world count now
 <Lord_Bowser> 
im not sure if minecraft is really add on content now....?
 <Lakituthequick> 
minecraft is funny because iirc
 <smasher> 
weve considered it in the past
 <Lakituthequick> 
it was part of an update
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
back in abit
 <turb> 
minecraft technically is add-on content still though isn't it
 <Lord_Bowser> 
oh wait im remembering the discussion last year
 <turb> 
if considered "added on to the base game"
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
balloon world would have to be voted in to add since that's kinda what this expansion was for
 <smasher> 
also add balloon world now
 <smasher> 
yeah
 <Lakituthequick> 
minecraft stuff really is add-on because it was added later yeah
 <Lord_Bowser> 
balloon world add on yeah
 <Lakituthequick> 
+ balloon world
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Balloon World (SMO)" to M9 Favorite Add-On Content? (y/n/a)
 <turb> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <smasher> 
everything there already can stay btw
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
fun fact i kept typoing balloon as balloween
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <smasher> 
y
 <turb> 
is the full title Luigi's Balloon World?
 <smasher> 
8-0-0
 <Lakituthequick> 
that's one heck of a type
 <NEXandGBX> 
i think so
 <Lakituthequick> 
*typo
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
wiki only says Balloon World but _
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.mariowiki.com/Balloon_World
 <Lakituthequick> 
I think it should be Luigi's Balloon World actually yeah
 <turb> 
"called Luigi's Balloon World in the Nintendo Mini Direct trailer"
 <Gabumon> 
its ok, nobody likes luigi anyway
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i believe nintendo officially referr- yeas
 <turb> 
not from the wiki but from the other wikia LOL
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
someone tell the wiki
 <turb> 
it's just balloon world in-game though
 <smasher> 
h
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but I'll retcon that change in
 <Gamefreak75> 
our wiki confirmed trash
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
any other possible considerations for this?
 <Lakituthequick> 
whats fun is
 <Lakituthequick> 
Balloon World[1] is a minigame ...
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
re: nominees
 <Lakituthequick> 
[1] literally says Luigi's Balloon World
 <NEXandGBX> 
the only other possibility i can think of is smm's updates
 <smasher> 
that sonic level?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
that was something we explicitly left off in previous years because it didn't fit "DLC" so yeah the SMM things can come back into discussion
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
what's the sonic level
 <NEXandGBX> 
yoshi's island zone
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
that sounds neat
 <smasher> 
yeah that
 <smasher> 
its in sonic lost world
 <smasher> 
weve discussed it before
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it fits into a similar context as the minecraft and ssb things
 <Gabumon> 
yeah I guess thats true
 <Lakituthequick> 
it does really
 <turb> 
oh yeah the smm things
 <Lakituthequick> 
wouldn't oppose adding it
 <turb> 
i forgot about those entirely
 <turb> 
i legit could've sworn the sonic level was already on there once
 <turb> 
did we remove it
 <Lakituthequick> 
it was written in at least
 <NEXandGBX> 
yeah i remember it being on there too
 <NEXandGBX> 
not sure
 <Gabumon> 
lets add it
 <smasher> 
i dont think we ever added it
 <smasher> 
we just considered it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Yoshi's Island Zone (Sonic Lost World)" to M9? (y/n/a)
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <smasher> 
i think we werent sure if it counted
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
a
 <smasher> 
now it does
 <smasher> 
Y
 <smasher> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <smasher> 
5-0-1
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <smasher> 
6-0-1
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y
 <smasher> 
7-0-1
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y then
 <smasher> 
almost typed 7-£-1
 <smasher> 
8-0-0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it's added
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Maker#Updates
 <Gabumon> 
I have a question
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
are there any of these that stand out as anything we should include
 <smasher> 
now i can rest in peace
 <Gabumon> 
regarding that remake of smb3, does the e-reader stuff fit under this definition?
 <smasher> 
imo yes
 <turb> 
i guess it does yeah
 <smasher> 
it kind of is addon content
 <Lord_Bowser> 
was smb3 the only game that extensively used e-readers
 <__2257> 
mvdk
 <turb> 
hm
 <Lord_Bowser> 
whatd mvdk do
 <turb> 
i guess i'd say, if any of these updates were to be added, i'd pick 1.40
 <turb> 
I don't really know if it has like more meaningful content than the others
 <turb> 
but it had super expert and some fairly substantial cours eelements
 <smasher> 
that makes sense to add
 <__2257> 
i dont really know, i never owned it
 <Lord_Bowser> 
what about 1.2.0
 <__2257> 
extra levels i think
 <Lord_Bowser> 
that added checkpoints and event courses
 <__2257> 
there was also mario party e which was only an ereader game
 <smasher> 
i have mvdk but idk what the ereader does
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if we list SMM stuff would it just be called "Version 1.40" or something
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
also idk anything about e-readers so i can't contribute beyond initiating a vote
 <Lakituthequick> 
just a version number is fairly non-describing
 <NEXandGBX> 
i don't know how many people are familiar with the e-reader levels so _
 <smasher> 
idk if enough would know what version numbers would cover
 <Gabumon> 
I think I may have suggested this last year and it wasnt very popular, but if we have too many small updates, we could just do this award on a by-game-basis
 <smasher> 
maybe add Super Expert or something at least
 <turb> 
Version 1.40 (Super Expert, Keys/Locked Doors, Pink Coins, Skewers) ? ? ? ?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i mean it'd also have the (SMM) on the end of it but _
 <turb> 
idk
 <Gabumon> 
and ask "which of these games had the best add on content?"
 <turb> 
and then there's also the smm on the end
 <turb> 
if nintendo keeps pushing out dlc I'm not like
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
out of commission for a minute, kitty really wants the keyboard
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
hi
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm back
 <turb> 
opposed to that being a change maybe next year or so
 <turb> 
idk if we should do it this year
 
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 <turb> 
i should probably say I'm not opposed to it being a thing this year either
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok kitty has been satisfied
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
anyways if a nominee name can be squirted out I'll be up for it
 <Lakituthequick> 
Version 1.4.0: level elements/expert mode (SMM)
 <Lakituthequick> 
?
 <turb> 
i thought about just shitting Level Elements in but like
 <turb> 
I wondered if it was too unspecific
 <Gabumon> 
I dont SMM
 <turb> 
which is why i listed them all in the hypothetical i brought up
 <Gabumon> 
Is the term "expert mode" recognizable?
 <turb> 
Super Expert likely is
 <turb> 
not expert mode in and of itself, that's a different thing
 <Lakituthequick> 
yeah, was more of an outline
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
also i mean if these two things need more in-depth refinement we can just continue it on the forum
 <turb> 
yeah
 <Lakituthequick> 
Super Expert is it's actual name
 <Gabumon> 
if you can put one clearly recognizable thing in the name, people might know which update is meant
 
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 <turb> 
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 <Gabumon> 
like for example if you talked to me about a version number of minecraft, I might not remember, but if you say "the update that had polar bears", I'll probably know
 <turb> 
yeah
 <Toadbert> 
ive been forgetting which version added what lately
 <Toadbert> 
ever since 1.0
 <Lakituthequick> 
oh yeah, minecraft has polar bears now
 <Toadbert> 
whic isnt lately
 <turb> 
one of the updates had horses
 <Toadbert> 
actually on that note
 <turb> 
thats all i know
 <Lakituthequick> 
i should get myself updated on that stuff
 <Toadbert> 
the updates have had names
 <Toadbert> 
so you could use htose
 <turb> 
but yeah going with what i said i think that super expert is the most recognizable thing for that
 <turb> 
i remember it being a point of discussion when it came out
 <turb> 
moreso than the level elements
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
well I think we should move this onto the forum for later in the pre-existing thread, but it feels like there's a solid end in sight for it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
figuring out nominees from e-reader and wording for SMM stuff
 <turb> 
sounds goo
 <turb> 
d
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i feel like the e-reader could plausibly be considered add-on content
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
the levels and such i mean
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so with this going on the forum for later, next up would be an official stance on wat do with M10 Favorite Partner Developer
 <Gabumon> 
nuke
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it was pretty uncontested with the assumption of just removing it, but edo's here to give the better worded reason for that
 <Gabumon> 
you kind of already summarized my reason pretty well last time
 <Gabumon> 
like
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
oh, gr8
 <Gabumon> 
my issue with the award is that it might not be entirely clear what is even voted on
 <Gabumon> 
like, me personally, I see the name Rareware and I think "oh, they made Banjo Kazooie, I love that!" and vote them
 <Gabumon> 
but B-K is not why theyre on that list
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
honestly, i've done that too
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
voted retro studios primarily for metroid prime
 <Gabumon> 
other people may see Intelligent Systems and be like "yay fire emblem"
 <Gabumon> 
or yeah, retro studios
 <Gabumon> 
or squaresoft
 <turb> 
yeah
 <turb> 
i always kind of feel like that with the award too
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the nominees since we added on reference games didn't change much beyond sega shooting down a few spots
 <Gabumon> 
I don't feel like this award produces a result that is very relevant to mario
 <NEXandGBX> 
ah, that definitely could be an issue
 <turb> 
like i TRY to view it as "oh huh intsys developed paper mario i love that game"
 <turb> 
but it's hard
 <turb> 
and i feel like the majority of the voterbase also does not do that judging by the results
 <Gabumon> 
so its spot should go to something with more relevancy
 <turb> 
yeah
 <Stargazing> 
yeah i agree with that
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so to put this formally while discussion is still on-going
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Remove M10 Favorite Partner Developer? (y/n/a)
 <Meta_Knight> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Stargazing> 
y
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 
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 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i think thats a majority vote to fire smasher
 <__2257> 
y
 <smasher> 
phone deleted the internet
 <smasher> 
what are we ying
 <Lord_Bowser> 
5:47 PM <@Anton{Politoed}> Vote: Remove M10 Favorite Partner Developer? (y/n/a)
 <Lakituthequick> 
nuke fav-- yeah
 <Lord_Bowser> 
9-0-0
 <smasher> 
i missed the main reason but i dont care about it anyway so y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
not relevant to mario enough
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so it's officially removed
 <smasher> 
fair
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i.e. people vote on a nominee cause they liked other games they made
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
leaving us now with M10, M23, and M24 open
 <Lord_Bowser> 
intsys with fire emblem, retro studios with metroid, etc
 <smasher> 
fair [2]
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
up next is 22's idea which is a bit complicated to approach as a discussion topic but I think now is the time
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39719.msg1995703#msg1995703
 <smasher> 
i might disappear again now
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i think thats a pretty solid idea overall
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
over last week there's been some debate on what new award ideas to fill in M23 and M24 with, and this is a way we found that would make everyone happy while also nixing the boringness of a few awards that are traditional and not exactly up for solid elimination
 <Gabumon> 
I think its good
 <Lord_Bowser> 
the question is how will the series be determined
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i had my own suggestion for this award
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
1 sec
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
well, this idea
 <Lord_Bowser> 
like what will go in what
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
that being M5-7, Favorite DK, Wario, and Yoshi Game respectively
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39719.msg1996377#msg1996377
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the series reps I have no intention on budging with this idea
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
they will remain DK, Wario, and Yoshi
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
22's idea was "replace them with m5 favorite ___ level, m6 favorite ____ game, and m7 favorite ____ character ", a complete rotation of the 3 types
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but I think blocky's idea has some merit
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm not advocating making these permanently "x level", after all
 <NEXandGBX> 
assuming yoshi himself wouldn't count what would be in the favorite yoshi character award aside from kamek'
 <Gabumon> 
its essentially the same concept, just the variables are in different positions
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
it's more i think we should put away ALL the stagnant awards for a year, and hopefully next year we'll have enough new material that we can bring back some of them with new nominees to see
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
yeah, what edo said
 <Gabumon> 
poochy
 <Gabumon> 
the babies
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
since the intention behind this is to make for a rotation award slot, and not necessarily an exact type of award each year, so I'm personally content with them all being a Level award if those are what's gonna be more relevant this year
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
also
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
this would obv. involve overhauling favorite 2d level
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
to remove wario and yoshi levles
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
yes
 <smasher> 
rip those
 <smasher> 
but im ok with this
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so I guess to put this in a solid vote to lurch forward chunk by chunk
 <NEXandGBX> 
we could possibly look at the write-ins to see what can replace them
 <Lakituthequick> 
if we do this, don't we end up with four favorite x level awards
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
yes
 <NEXandGBX> 
if favorite 2d level isn't cramped
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
but they're all completely different contexts
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Reset M5-7 as rotating rep slots for DK, Wario, and Yoshi? (y/n/a)
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
just to make it official
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <Meta_Knight> 
Y
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8
 <smasher> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <smasher> 
10-0-0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and as blocky pointed out the implication within this is clearing out 2d/3d levels and the like from dk, wario, and yoshi reps just to remain fair and balanced on level with each of them
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so if anyone has an issue with that now's the time to discuss
 <smasher> 
i do not
 <turb> 
i have no issues yeah
 <turb> 
would we be finding replacement mario nominees
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it would mean renaming them with Mario in it to be clear on the intention and we'd get to that as we cycle through Mario awards
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
probably yeah
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
Favorite 2D Mario Level?
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'd be fine with that
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah something like that
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
and yeah, i imagine we'd bring in some fo the best performing write-ins
 
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 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
and having those become new full nominees
 
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 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so next step in this process is filling in M5-7 with rep awards
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
in this meeting all I want to do for time's sake is figure out what those awards are
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and once decided I'll make a forum topic to decide on nominees
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
blocky's idea was for them to be all Level this year
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so
 <smasher> 
back in a bit
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
M5 Favorite DK Level, M6 Favorite Wario Level, and M7 Favorite Yoshi Level
 <Gabumon> 
I dont really have a strong opinion on an exact approach as long as all three series are represented in some fashion
 <turb> 
pering edo on that
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the implication is that these would rotate out next year and /not/ be Level awards, unless for some reason we later decide to keep it, but that's next year's problem
 <Gabumon> 
I guess I could roll a die
 <Gamefreak75> 
same
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
yeah
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
next year we should hopefully have material that allows us to make game and character more interesting
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
and then we'd bring those in
 <Gabumon> 
ok I did it
 <Gabumon> 
the outcome is all level, all across the board
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
:clap:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so,
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Set M5 Favorite DK Level, M6 Favorite Wario Level, and M7 Favorite Yoshi Level as the awards in rotation for M5-7 this year? (y/n/a)
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
a
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
the dice have spoken very loudly
 <Stargazing> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
you know what i realized
 <Gabumon> 
I rolled a d6 with the condition that an even number means all level, and an odd number means all different categories
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
how we'll handle this on Historical Results I guess will be turb's and my problem so
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
pray for us
 <Gabumon> 
I actually rolled 3 times
 <Gabumon> 
and I got 6, 6, and 4
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
honestly
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'd just assume you'd put them as new awards for 5, 6, 7
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
probably yeah
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
as if they were removed and replaced, except they can go back to the other one
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
anyhow this reminds me of the "compromise" we made with ralph when we were shrinking the awards to 25 after we overthrew him
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
except unlike then we actually have a reason to rotate next year
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
up next would be getting back to M12 Favorite Supporting Character
 <Lakituthequick> 
re: levels btw
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
with the new consideration now of having reps from DK, Wario, and Yoshi if they're not already there
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
hi
 <Lakituthequick> 
this would affect m25 fav 2d level as well as m26 fav 3d level?
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i think only 2d level
 <NEXandGBX> 
unless there are any dk64 levels in favorite 3d, no
 <Gabumon> 
if we're cutting spinoff series levels from the level awards, we should also cut spinoff characters from the character awards
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
since 3d - yeah
 <NEXandGBX> 
or wario world
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
are they in there to begin wth?
 <Gabumon> 
whats the fav minor character nominee list
 
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 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm unsure if that affects any of the current nominees edo
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Favorite Supporting Character (Princess Daisy, Waluigi, Toadsworth, Diddy Kong, Professor E. Gadd, Toadette, Captain Toad, Birdo, Kamek, Poochy, Pauline, Cappy)
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Kamek and Poochy would be the most at-risk but
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
they're both in Mario games
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
diddy kong maybe
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i forgot he was there lol
 <turb> 
the most mario stuff diddy is in is uhhhh
 <turb> 
mario kart i guess
 <Gamefreak75> 
mario party too
 <Lakituthequick> 
and mario party ds
 <Lakituthequick> 
as board host
 <Gabumon> 
I guess leave him there then
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so I guess as a concept edo I agree with you but it just happens to not do anything right now lol
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but for future nominees it absolutely does matter
 <Meta_Knight> 
I agree
 <Gabumon> 
ok
 <Meta_Knight> 
These nominees all feel substantial enough in mario games
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
per
 <Meta_Knight> 
Like Waluigi and daisy are in a lot of spinoffs but so is diddy
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
although just to check
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Poochy I'm _ about how important he is but I'm not like
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
what's poochy's thing? diddy has a lot of the spinoffs (kart, golf, etc)
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ready to do anything about that lol
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Odyssey
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
and kamek has PiT offhand
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
ok
 <Meta_Knight> 
I'd say Odyssey makes poochy safe
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
but yeah, i'm fine with like
 <Meta_Knight> 
Even if it's just cameos its recent
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
not adding wario, dk, or yoshi-exclusive characters here
 <Gabumon> 
yeah, he helps you by photobombing hint art
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
they'll get their own chance in future years anyway
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so if that's that on that, M12 is ready to be closed
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
unless anyone else has anything to add
 <turb> 
a lot of poochy's importance is in full spinoffs from mario but odyssey does make him safe imo
 <turb> 
and i dont
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i don't
 <Gamefreak75> 
no
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
add: Hint Toad
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
you know that bitch took 50 of my coins to tell me about a moon that I could physically see in the current screen while talking to him
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
can we add Mercedes-Benz Toad
 <turb> 
lol anton
 <Gabumon> 
are those serious suggestions
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so I think that's it for my list of other nonsense to figure out at the time being and we can commence regular mario awarding
 <turb> 
add uncle amiibo next year
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
god no
 <Gabumon> 
uh
 <Gabumon> 
did we talk about the three open award spots
 <Lakituthequick> 
I'd dare say Mercedes-Benz Toad is safe to say is not serious
 <Gamefreak75> 
uncle amiibo for smash 5
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i think those are coming later
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
...although
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
not on what they're decided to be, no, I'm not sure if that's fully ready but
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
that reminds me I did forget this
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39682.20
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
this currently has enough votes to consider set
 
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 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so if anyone still needs to vote they should do that
 <Freakworld> 
i vote n to everything
 <Stargazing> 
i didn't vote because i don't have odyssey
 
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 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
same as star
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Favorite Capture isn't an officially agreed upon award yet so _
 <Stargazing> 
i forgot to like
 <Stargazing> 
publically say that
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but we can do that
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39719.msg1996360#msg1996360
 <Meta_Knight> 
I think it's a good award
 <Lord_Bowser> 
star control your boyfriend
 <Stargazing> 
i just yelled at him for doing it LOL
 <Meta_Knight> 
Its basically favorite power up but feels unique
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
favorite song seems to have picked up steam lately
 <Gabumon> 
I think favorite song is a solid concept
 <turb> 
I like favorite capture fwiw
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i like favorite song
 <Lord_Bowser> 
im good on fav song and fav capture
 <Stargazing> 
i like favourite song as well
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I didn't prepare Favorite Capture to be discussed re: nominees for this meeting but I guess what we could do is vote on if we want these awards at all
 <turb> 
if that doesn't get in i'm gonna be slightly salty
 <turb> 
favorite song is ok
 <Lord_Bowser> 
fav costume im kinda _ on
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so
 <turb> 
we have enough for it
 <Gabumon> 
wait
 <turb> 
i think favorite costume's problem isn't that it's a bad award but rather we'd need to do something about mix and match writeins
 <Gabumon> 
I would like to uh
 <Gabumon> 
make a case I guess
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i feel like these awards should be like
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
individually added rather than in a block
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
unless that's what you mean in which case ignore me anton
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i was gonna do individual yeah
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
cool
 <Gabumon> 
like, I know that there are concerns that if we're going to do odyssey awards this year, they're not going to be relevant anymore next year
 <Gabumon> 
but like, I think they don't really have to be
 
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 <Gabumon> 
the thing I am thinking is, odyssey was probably the most important release for this series in years
 <Meta_Knight> 
Costume fee
 <NEXandGBX> 
even if odyssey stops getting updates next year, people could still look back on it
 <Meta_Knight> 
*feels like it's too massive to contain to 15 nominees
 <turb> 
yeah per edo
 <Gabumon> 
and right now, we are within the perfect time frame to celebrate this
 <Meta_Knight> 
Theres so many combinations that can't be accounted for
 <turb> 
I actually wanted to say something like that myself
 <Lord_Bowser> 
per edo
 <turb> 
that odyssey actually could be a long-lasting thing
 <turb> 
the thing is, its on a far different scale than SMM is
 
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 <Gabumon> 
next year it will be a different story, but this year it is perfect
 <turb> 
it breathed new life into the series
 <Meta_Knight> 
I agree with edo too
 <Gabumon> 
so like
 <turb> 
yeah
 <turb> 
at least this year we need to have them
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
when's odyssey 2: peach throws mario into the volcano and goes on her own adventure
 <turb> 
even if next year we go "well maybe we should overhaul these"
 <Lord_Bowser> 
does she go to coconut mall with bowser
 <Gabumon> 
I would very much like to see us have the two odyssey awards that are currently under consideration
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I agree
 <turb> 
agreed
 <Lord_Bowser> 
agree
 <Lakituthequick> 
per
 <Gabumon> 
and use any strong contenders we can come up with to replace them once they are no longer relevant
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
this is a thing I meant within the "makes everyone happy" earlier when discussing the M5-7 thing
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm down
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
that rotation idea absorbed several of the ideas that were in contention with odyssey ideas
 <Lakituthequick> 
hi down
 
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 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
hi dad
 <Gabumon> 
so like, I guess my vote would be, add fav song, add fav capture, and add fav costume
 
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 <Lord_Bowser> 
i really dont know about favorite costume tbh
 <Gabumon> 
and then next year we can replace the odyssey ones with fav minigame and something else
 <Lord_Bowser> 
theres just too many options
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Favorite Costume will be tricky but it's a unique feature that we could explore
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Favorite costume combination?
 <Lord_Bowser> 
most sets arent officially named
 <Lord_Bowser> 
and some are standalone, liek the boxers
 <Meta_Knight> 
Split it into favorite hat and favorite suit
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it's not something we haven't tried to accomplish before
 <Lakituthequick> 
I'd say stuff like "Pirate outfit" is self-explaining to be the suit and the hat
 <turb> 
we can probably come up with recognizable names for all the sets
 <GBAToad> 
im here but im too far behind to contribute
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we definitely have time to work out the kinks in it or suggest a new idea
 <GBAToad> 
whats the current discussion
 <turb> 
i dont really feel comfortable with having it be two awards
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Odyssey themed polls
 <Lord_Bowser> 
gba: favorite costume
 <Lord_Bowser> 
and yeah per turb
 <GBAToad> 
per turb
 <Gabumon> 
one is enough
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we're discussing which awards to fill in the 3 empty slots we have
 <Gabumon> 
as in one costume award
 <Baby_Luigi> 
When we say "Trunks Mario", people will know we mean boxer + topless Mario
 
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 <Anton{Politoed}> 
favorite song and favorite capture seem pretty locked in but we're discussing costume and alternatives
 <Gabumon> 
I think its doable
 
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 <Baby_Luigi> 
Don't most costumes have accompanying combos anyway?
 <turb> 
i agree it can be done yeah
 <Lord_Bowser> 
the thing is blof: what hat goes with that
 <turb> 
like every time i bring up "b-but the writeins" don't take it as "let's not do this guys"
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Hatless....maybe
 <turb> 
we can work it out
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Whatever used in promotional material
 <GBAToad> 
we're cutting spinoffs entirely?
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Which spin-offs?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
unironically since costume isn't working with official sets I want to see if we can cram in peach's wonderful fashion
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and yes gba
 <GBAToad> 
warioware dk yoshi etc
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
or wait maybe you mean something else
 <turb> 
we're cutting spinoffs from level awards
 <Uniju> 
just make favourite peach outfit instead of mario outfit
 <turb> 
so that way it's not imbalanced when we have favorite wario/dk/yoshi level this year
 <GBAToad> 
ok cool
 <GBAToad> 
microgames arent getting representation are they
 <NEXandGBX> 
the only costume i can think of that doesn't have a set is the captain's hat
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Probably not
 <GBAToad> 
also yeah im ok with the current odyssey awards
 <NEXandGBX> 
the standalone clothes go with mario's cap i think
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
w/ regards to microgames
 <Baby_Luigi> 
I don't think microgames are good awards material
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm pretty much gonna side with blof on this one
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i think it was blof?
 <turb> 
microgames I think would be good next year
 <turb> 
if we need a replacement
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
ok it was edo AND blof
 <turb> 
because warioware gold will be out for a year by then
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
but still
 <GBAToad> 
i dont mind im just trying to catch up
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Yeah I'm blof
 <Gabumon> 
I have an idea regarding warioware
 
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 <Gabumon> 
I dont know how to implement it exactly, but I guess I can just throw it out and see if anyone has ideas
 <Gabumon> 
so like
 <Gabumon> 
microgames arent very good award material, but
 <Gabumon> 
what I think would be decent material is
 <Gabumon> 
the little scenarios that string them together
 <Baby_Luigi> 
The stories?
 <Gabumon> 
yeah
 <Baby_Luigi> 
How can we name them?
 <GBAToad> 
it would be interesting but
 <Gabumon> 
dont some of them have names?
 <Baby_Luigi> 
And they differ from game to game
 <turb> 
what do you mean
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Not that I know of
 <turb> 
the microgame groupings that the characters have?
 <Gabumon> 
what I mean is
 <GBAToad> 
i feel that would boil down to favourite warioware character at points
 
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 <Gabumon> 
theres usually some sort of mini narrative that serves as a backdrop to the microgame sequences
 <GBAToad> 
which is fine since we can rework that
 <turb> 
oh i might know what you mean but idk if its the same thing
 <turb> 
yeah
 <turb> 
the mini-narrative
 <GBAToad> 
yeah like ashleys story in touched
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Yeah I know that but from what I remember, they don't have names, at least in Touched
 <turb> 
and then the success/failure based on how well you do in the microgames
 <GBAToad> 
dribble and spits on tomorrow hill
 <GBAToad> 
etc
 <Gabumon> 
theyre mostly character specific
 <GBAToad> 
jimmy ts aerobics
 <GBAToad> 
jimmy t with cats
 <Gabumon> 
so we could probably tie this into favorite wario character somehow
 <GBAToad> 
yeah thats how id do it
 <GBAToad> 
it wouldnt change much but it would flesh it out a lot
 <Gabumon> 
maybe even replace it
 <Baby_Luigi> 
There's a lot of scenarios though
 <Stargazing> 
i'm not sure i'm on board with this
 <Baby_Luigi> 
And how will we name it. 9-Volt's Story (WWT)?
 <Gabumon> 
we would have to pick what we think to be the best ones
 <GBAToad> 
i wouldnt want to add this this year
 <GBAToad> 
next year for sure
 <Baby_Luigi> 
I know my favorite Touched one is Mona Pizza's
 <GBAToad> 
since warioware gold will be out
 <GBAToad> 
but yeah
 <GBAToad> 
just wanted to weigh in on that topoc
 <GBAToad> 
topic
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Favorite WarioWare gimmick...has this been discussed before?
 <GBAToad> 
no regarding the spinoff awards
 <Lord_Bowser> 
smasher says she's out for the night
 <Lord_Bowser> 
mibbit broke
 <GBAToad> 
oh wait you mean like
 <GBAToad> 
sliding tapping blowing etc
 <GBAToad> 
i dont know if i could support thay
 <Baby_Luigi> 
And those motion controls from Smooth Moves
 <GBAToad> 
unironic asmr from those form baton descriptions
 <GBAToad> 
but
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
since we've only got 25 minutes left I think this exact topic is pretty much a done deal until next year at this point?
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Maybe favorite hardware gimmick like gyro controls, touch screen, motion control...
 <GBAToad> 
there isnt much depth there
 <GBAToad> 
and yeah back on topic
 <Gabumon> 
ok
 <GBAToad> 
for this year
 <turb> 
sorry
 <Lakituthequick> 
maybe get back to adding those three awards yeah
 <turb> 
had to get up for something
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so as a quick vote
 <turb> 
back now
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Favorite Capture" as the new M23? (y/n/a)
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Baby_Luigi> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
nominees tbd once I parse the poll results
 <GBAToad> 
everyone voted for pokio rigjt
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
22 made a poll results sorter once
 <Baby_Luigi> 
I'll make sure to vote for Sherm
 <Gabumon> 
pokio is a pretty solid entry, yes
 <turb> 
i voted pokio!!
 <GBAToad> 
and uproot
 <turb> 
pokio is so cute
 <GBAToad> 
stretchy boy
 <turb> 
uproot too
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Favorite Song" as the new M10? (y/n/a)
 <__2257> 
uhhh yeah
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Baby_Luigi> 
LGM drew some very nice fanart of Pokio
 <turb> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Baby_Luigi> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
nominees tbd
 <__2257> 
its still around
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
wow im the only one who voted coin coffer lol
 <NEXandGBX> 
uproot / sherm / gushen / pokio seem like obvious inclusions
 <__2257> 
hold on
 <Baby_Luigi> 
TAXI
 <Lakituthequick> 
i have it installed in my browser actually
 <turb> 
i think i was the only person who voted broode's chain chomp
 <Gamefreak75> 
a
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Bowser and Yoshi would be obvious inclusions
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
not gonna lie
 <GBAToad> 
its ok we'll nail out nominees later
 <GBAToad> 
from the poll results
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i unironically would support adding a couple dkc cartoon songs to the song award
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
if anyone else wants
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Do the one that rips of Daft Punk lol
 <Gamefreak75> 
same
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Also, DK's voice actor is a great singer
 
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 <Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8 so those are two new ones we're going with
 <Baby_Luigi> 
He deserves some more regonition
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
his reflection tells the story of a pirate's life of glory
 
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 <NEXandGBX> 
my problem with bowser and yoshi is that it 1.) might spoil things for people who have yet to play odyssey and 2.) might also come off as another "favorite character" situation
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
iiiiiiiiii'm not gonna try to set Costume as the official one exactly yet, I'd like to see some nominees for it, but that can be further discussed in the Incubator topic
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but we can definitely unofficial decide that we're gonna try to focus it as an Odyssey rep
 
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 <Anton{Politoed}> 
M24 that is
 <Baby_Luigi> 
MarioWiki isn't really spoiler friendly to begin with tbh
 <Lord_Bowser> 
ohi smasher
 <smasher> 
im alive
 <turb> 
i think we should ignore spoilers entirely with regards to awards honestly
 <GBAToad> 
yeah
 <Lord_Bowser> 
yeah tbh
 <turb> 
we don't have the spoiler tag thing on our pages anymore
 <GBAToad> 
we dont do it with anything else
 <Baby_Luigi> 
MarioWiki ignores it entirely it's part of the main page
 <turb> 
we got rid of it like uhhhhh years ago
 <smasher> 
credit to lb for heping me set up irccloud
 <__2257> 
oh, then you should post the results
 <smasher> 
a good friend
 <Lakituthequick> 
Results of favorite capture would be this according to the tallier
 <Lakituthequick> 
1. Pokio 2. Tropical Wiggler 3. Bowser 4. Gushen 4. T-Rex 4. Chargin' Chuck 4. Glydon 4. Sherm 4. Uproot 10. Goomba 10. Frog 12. Yoshi 12. Lakitu 12. Parabones 15. Hammer Bro 15. Lava Bubble
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Generally, if people want to avoid spoilers, they should avoid going to gaming sites these days
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the award title is at the top so if someone doesn't want to read the nominees they don't have to
 <__2257> 
firefox 57 or whatever broke it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
are there any ties at the end that would push it beyond 15
 <GBAToad> 
id be ok with those nominees honestly
 <turb> 
good nominees
 <Gabumon> 
let me check
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Parabones/Paragoomba
 <NEXandGBX> 
seems alright
 <smasher> 
i can partcipate now and
 <smasher> 
that is a good list
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Make sure you group the parabones and paragoomba together
 <smasher> 
did i miss anything else important
 <Gamefreak75> 
no puzzle piece smh
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if we group some together how will they be worded
 <GBAToad> 
parabones/paragoomba
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Paragoomba/Parabones
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
also did parabones have as much flight flexibility as paragoomba
 <GBAToad> 
too much ambiguity otherwise if you do paragoomba/bones
 <Gabumon> 
yeah, I'm ok with this list
 <turb> 
someone who remembers the parabones flight will have to comment on that yeah
 <Lakituthequick> 
Anton{Politoed} are there any ties at the end that would push it beyond 15
 <turb> 
because i don't
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it was only in one part and was not very high
 <__2257> 
i think the mechanics are the same
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but it could just be a restriction as particular paragoombas also had that
 <Lakituthequick> 
this are 16 nominees, two tied for 15
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and ok
 <GBAToad> 
our hard max is uh
 <GBAToad> 
18
 <__2257> 
the height is controlled by the highest platform you ever stood on
 <GBAToad> 
right
 <Baby_Luigi> 
According to the MarioWiki article, I don't think there's a huge diffrent
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll consider this as our official set and later on I'll slap on all of the groupings
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
yes
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Okay then
 <GBAToad> 
then add in the final two for 16
 <GBAToad> 
and we're good
 <smasher> 
i dont think theres any major difference between the paras
 <GBAToad> 
as in the ones tied for 15th
 <__2257> 
afaik the only difference between the two is that you can kill goompas
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Goompas?
 <Gabumon> 
thats murder
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok anything else before going to M13?
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Can't you kill Dry Bones by leaving it while it's over a pit?
 <__2257> 
well yes but by jumping
 <turb> 
nothing i can think of
 <Gabumon> 
we should add the mona pizza song to favorite song
 <Uniju> 
i agree
 <turb> 
i agree
 <smasher> 
i agree
 <Lakituthequick> 
every enemy respawns at some point so "killing" doesn't really apply
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i agree
 <Lakituthequick> 
also yes
 <turb> 
you know
 <turb> 
that reminds me
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok so let's move onto M13
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Yes
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Mona Pizza is awesome
 <turb> 
should we make it Favorite Lyrical Song or Favorite Song With Lyrics or something
 <__2257> 
ok but what im saying is
 <turb> 
just so people don't vote in other shit
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
M13 Favorite Level Theme (Grassland, Desert, Snow/Ice, Mountain, Underground, Beach, Sky, Jungle, Space, Fire, Ghost House, Underwater, Castle, Airship, Factory/Industrial, Carnival, City/Town)
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Just Favorite Song
 <__2257> 
if you jump on a paragoomba
 <__2257> 
it gets flat and has to respawn
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
Favorite Lyrica Song and make them all piano covers :)
 <turb> 
are there any new substantial level themes in odyssey
 <__2257> 
but if you jump on dry bones it just gets knocked out for a while
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
this award is just for theme, there's another award for particular level stages and all that
 <turb> 
besides luncheon but ew
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's the moon but "space"
 <Gabumon> 
anton is gonna beat me for this, but maybe "food-themed"
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Metro
 <turb> 
ruined kingdom was a fucking great level theme but then it barely existed
 <turb> 
LEGITIMATELY pissed
 <__2257> 
food isnt a new theme
 <Lakituthequick> 
how would you describe luncheon anyway
 <turb> 
city/town could cover new donk
 <__2257> 
it was in galaxy
 <Baby_Luigi> 
They just made it a boss arena instead
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
odyssey is a bad game because ruined kingdom was fucking nothing
 <__2257> 
not that that means we cant add it though
 <Lakituthequick> 
add "Unforgettable" as a new theme
 <Baby_Luigi> 
They shouldn't even gave that kingdom a name
 <Gabumon> 
I would have loved a full sized ruined kingdom
 <smasher> 
me too
 <Gabumon> 
lets add it to missed opportunities
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
good idea
 <Baby_Luigi> 
It's like being disappointed by Jungle Falls Galaxy being a goddamn minigame in Galaxy 2
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's 17 nominees in this already
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we could make it 18 with Food if people really want it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
also if there needs to be a renaming into Space/Moon if that clarification is necessary
 <Lakituthequick> 
how many food themed levels are there even
 <NEXandGBX> 
well i'll see what the write-ins say
 <smasher> 
were there any notable writeins
 <Lakituthequick> 
if luncheon is the only one then nah
 <smasher> 
guessing no but
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Desert — 34 — 1.56% 17) Mountain — 32 — 1.47% 18) O. Rainbow — 4 — 0.18% 19) O. Sweets — 3 — 0.14%
 <Uniju> 
yoshis cookie from mkdd, magical flying sweets land from mario galaxy
 <Gabumon> 
I think a chunk of people liked luncheon kingdom
 <Gamefreak75> 
galaxy had food levels
 <smasher> 
nope!
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
they're bad people
 <__2257> 
galaxy had two of them
 <__2257> 
the cookie level and the 3rd mission of toy time
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but
 <smasher> 
luncheon was ok
 <Baby_Luigi> 
But they're not really themes...are they?
 <turb> 
if the voters like food levels i can't argue with them
 <__2257> 
also mk8 had one and mk8d had another
 <Gamefreak75> 
3d world had food levels too
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Food" to M13 Favorite Level Theme? (y/n/a)
 <turb> 
y
 <Baby_Luigi> 
a
 <__2257> 
a
 <smasher> 
one of the weaker ones but not terrible
 <Lakituthequick> 
actually
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <smasher> 
a
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
more food exists indeed
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y as a concept but fuck Luncheon Kingdom and everyone who enjoyed it
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
:(
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
luncheon kingdom was okay
 <smasher> 
actually switch to y
 <NEXandGBX> 
:(
 <Lord_Bowser> 
nabber thought the luncheon kingdom lava was asm
 <Lord_Bowser> 
amsr
 <Lakituthequick> 
random, but okay
 <Lord_Bowser> 
asmr***
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
why was the food not fully rendered
 <__2257> 
how can lava be asmr
 <Baby_Luigi> 
My sister disliked the color palette
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
what was the pink slop
 <Lord_Bowser> 
the sound
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
why was this more of a lava level than food
 <smasher> 
7-0-2
 <Gamefreak75> 
pink slime
 <__2257> 
asmr is too many things
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Baby_Luigi> 
The color contrast looks terrible there
 <Gabumon> 
I would have liked it more had I know what things are supposed to be
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
why was that bird so much of a focus and why did I have to do anything with it twice
 <smasher> 
8-0-2
 <Gabumon> 
what is the lava
 <Baby_Luigi> 
It vomits on you
 <GBAToad> 
sorry had to catch a train
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Cookatiel looks nothing like a cockatiel
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it was a horribly executed food level and felt more rushed and wasted than anything
 <Lakituthequick> 
it's a pun(tm)
 <Gabumon> 
is the ground cake?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
with Ruined Kingdom being a fucking disaster immediately after it
 <Gabumon> 
why is there cheese on it
 <Uniju> 
mixing food and lava themes wouldnt have been a bad idea if they made it tomato sauce and everything was pizza coloured instead of pastel
 <GBAToad> 
^
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah those tomato things were fucking cool
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I loved those
 <GBAToad> 
molten cheese
 <Gabumon> 
yeah
 <GBAToad> 
fucking yeah
 <Baby_Luigi> 
The Pepto Bismol is there after you see its visuals
 <GBAToad> 
tomatos
 <Gabumon> 
pizza kingdom when
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok so Food is added
 <turb> 
the tomatoes were great
 <GBAToad> 
oh my god it is pepto bismol
 <GBAToad> 
fuck
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's no room for anything else so unless people want removals
 <__2257> 
well, in japanese its name isnt a reference to any specific bird
 <turb> 
pepto bismol on fire
 <Gamefreak75> 
after pasta kingdom
 <Lakituthequick> 
pizza kingdom
 <Lakituthequick> 
now eating monday
 <GBAToad> 
vinny kingdom
 <turb> 
should it be food/sweets or does food already encompass sweets
 <GBAToad> 
warioland kingdom fucking when
 <turb> 
i mean you'd also think space encompasses moon but
 <turb> 
_
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we could add sweets for clarity
 <turb> 
more clarification isn't a problem with me
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if other people don't mind
 <GBAToad> 
Food/Sweets
 <Lakituthequick> 
so like
 <GBAToad> 
?
 <turb> 
it's more just "what will jog voters' memories"
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
likewise with moon to space
 <Lakituthequick> 
Food/Sweets
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
like there's already "Snow/Ice"
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
yes
 <Gamefreak75> 
yeah thats fine
 <turb> 
Food/Sweets, Space/Moon
 <turb> 
yeah
 <GBAToad> 
yeah
 <smasher> 
im fine with this
 <Baby_Luigi> 
okay
 <Lord_Bowser> 
sure
 <Lakituthequick> 
seems fine yeah
 <NEXandGBX> 
seems fine
 <turb> 
clarification subtitles are now noggin joggers
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Fire/Lava ?
 <turb> 
sure
 <Lakituthequick> 
yes
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Water/Ocean
 <GBAToad> 
Fire/Lava/turbs mixtape
 <turb> 
good post
 <Lakituthequick> 
water already encompasses ocean though
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
anything else with M13?
 <NEXandGBX> 
good one
 <Gabumon> 
which was the weakest nominee, votes-wise
 <Lakituthequick> 
i'm too tired to get the mixtape joke atm
 <Lakituthequick> 
remind me to laugh tomorrow
 <Gamefreak75> 
mountain i think
 <NEXandGBX> 
water/ocean is definitely more redundant than like space/moon and food/sweets
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
12) Sky — 105 — 4.81% 13) Fire — 50 — 2.29% 13) Underwater — 50 — 2.29% 15) Underground — 36 — 1.65% 16) Desert — 34 — 1.56% 17) Mountain — 32 — 1.47% 18) O. Rainbow — 4 — 0.18%
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Fire/Lava sounds a bit too pedantic for my tastes
 <NEXandGBX> 
32's not terrible considering desert and underground are around the same range
 <Gabumon> 
we could cut mountain for uh... "ruined"
 <GBAToad> 
yeah actually lava has usually been the go-to for me
 <GBAToad> 
are there any actual pure fire levels
 <GBAToad> 
water/beach
 <GBAToad> 
would be a better distinction possibly?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
are there more ruined stages
 <NEXandGBX> 
beach is already its own separate one so _
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's already Underwater and then also Beach
 <GBAToad> 
unless beach is already separate
 <GBAToad> 
oknyeah
 <Gabumon> 
not really, does there have to be
 <Gabumon> 
actually I guess
 <GBAToad> 
this reminds me of that post with the two different types of water text
 <Gabumon> 
if you get suuuuuuper technical
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
idk, for my personal vote I'd like there to be because Ruined Kingdom literally made me hate Odyssey
 <GBAToad> 
water and w a t e r
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but as a concept, _
 <Gabumon> 
maybe the thing that happens to sammer kingdom could count as "ruined"
 <NEXandGBX> 
water and aesthetic water
 <GBAToad> 
Aesthetic theme when
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
seeing as this is a Favorite award I'd want to not literally hate a nominee that much
 <smasher> 
did it ruin odyssey
 <smasher> 
im so sorry
 <NEXandGBX> 
i'd love to see them expand on the ruined kingdom concept
 <Baby_Luigi> 
It's a ruined Kingdom
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Ruined by devs
 <GBAToad> 
rename to
 <GBAToad> 
Ruined Opportunities
 <__2257> 
dry dry ruins
 <Gabumon> 
I mean, we're not voting on the level itself
 <Gabumon> 
just the theme
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
time is up so let's finish up this discussion at least
 <GBAToad> 
instead of missed
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and yeah it's the theme as a concept
 <GBAToad> 
aaaa but anton i didnt finish my test
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Technically, the level is part of the theme
 <Baby_Luigi> 
So I think all factors should be taken into account
 <smasher> 
i dont know if its needed
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Including its disappointment to be bigger than it is
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
what are specific Mountain levels
 <Gabumon> 
I dont know like
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Tall Tall Mountain
 <Gabumon> 
if we examine why we dislike the ruined kingdom that was given to us
 <Lakituthequick> 
NSMB and NSMBWii had world 6
 <Lakituthequick> 
entirely mountain mostly
 <Gabumon> 
its because we liked the theme and are disappointed so little was done with it
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Mario Kart had Choco Mountain, DK Pass, etc.
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I understand edo's point though so it's a valid consideration
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so I'll put this up
 <Gabumon> 
so like, our disdain literally originates from our appreciation for the theme
 <Gabumon> 
I feel like that makes it validf
 <Gabumon> 
valid
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Swap out "Mountain" to replace with "Ruins" (name tbd?) for M13? (y/n/a)
 <NEXandGBX> 
a
 <Baby_Luigi> 
n
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
those two can't really be compared
 <turb> 
if its Ruins I think thta makes a lot more things than just ruined kingdom applicable
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Are there any other ruins levels?
 <turb> 
oh 22 said dry dry ruins
 <smasher> 
a
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Oh yeah I remember
 <Gamefreak75> 
is there going to be an odyssey costume suggestions thread after the meeting
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Baby_Luigi> 
But aside from that..?
 <Lord_Bowser> 
a
 <turb> 
there have definitely been assorted ruins levels in like 3d world and land and stuff
 <smasher> 
2-1-3
 <turb> 
shifting sand land pyramid
 <turb> 
anyway Y
 <turb> 
before I yap on much longer
 <smasher> 
3-1-3
 <Lakituthequick> 
a
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
22:03 Gamefreak75 is there going to be an odyssey costume suggestions thread after the meeting
 <__2257> 
there were ruins in wario land 3...?
 <smasher> 
30
 <GBAToad> 
n
 <smasher> 
no stop
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah i'll gear that Odyssey thread toward costume after I close out the capture poll
 <smasher> 
3-2-4
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Usually, ruins overlap, like Dry Dry Ruins overlaps with Desert
 <Gamefreak75> 
ok
 <__2257> 
oh and the ghost ship from mario world
 <Lakituthequick> 
pyramids are mostly desert yeah
 <smasher> 
this is kind of inconclusive
 <Gamefreak75> 
clockork ruins
 <Gamefreak75> 
in galaxy 2
 <Gamefreak75> 
clockwork
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll say Y for concept but that's still kind of inconclusive
 <Gabumon> 
well by that logic, the ruined kingdom overlaps with castle
 <smasher> 
4-2-4
 <Gabumon> 
but would you really call it a typical castle level?
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Clockwork Ruins overlaps with jungle
 <Baby_Luigi> 
No, but I wouldn't compare it to Dry Dry Ruins either
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Which is a level clearly inside a desert
 <turb> 
wheres the 4th y from
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if the Ys are comfortable letting this slide we can consider it a No Change
 <Gabumon> 
ok
 <turb> 
im not about to fight for it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
or otherwise I can set this as a poll on the forum and try to get a full AC vote
 <turb> 
i agree with edo's point entirely but i don't feel so strongly about it that i'll fight to the death for it
 <Gabumon> 
I think it would be a cool addition, but if nobody else feels that way I'll drop it
 <Baby_Luigi> 
I think it's made an impression in pretty much only Odyssey tbh
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok so yeah i'll consider this a No Change but keep in mind we do come back to each award at least one more time in a full review, so it could be brought up again then if mind's change
 <Lakituthequick> 
it's a cool addition sure, but not as replacement for mountains
 <Gabumon> 
I liked the aesthetic a lot
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-'
 <NEXandGBX> 
it's a great level theme that we haven't seen a whole lot of
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok so to sum up what will happen after this meeting comes to a close
 <Baby_Luigi> 
I don't think it ever had worlds dedicated to it
 <smasher> 
ive decided to retroacively switch to n anyway
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Continuing discussion on the forum for M9 re: e-readers and SMM
 <smasher> 
its a good theme btut it hasnt been used enough
 <Baby_Luigi> 
Mountains is a major theme for Mario games, and I'm not keen on replacing it either
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Remove all non-Mario from level awards, which I can do myself
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Individual threads for each M5-7
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Gear the Odyssey thread towards working on a prospective Favorite Costume
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Work on nominees for Favorite Song
 <Gamefreak75> 
i want to nominate like most tropical freeze levels tbh
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Continue definitions
 <smasher> 
were there any other nominee adds/removals i couldnt see btw
 <Lakituthequick> 
for song there are currently nine already
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and then finally a reminder that next award is M14 Favorite Species, and there's a good amount from Odyssey to add in and consider
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
one thing anton
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so be prepared with opinion handy on that
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
this is a suggestion but
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i feel like any wario and yoshi levels on the current 2d level award
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
should be automatically made nominees for the new wairo and yoshi level awardss
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
like, not needing an extra vote
 <smasher> 
add them automatically yeah
 <Lakituthequick> 
per
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
that could be a consideration yeah, i'll lob that in the thread when I make it
 <NEXandGBX> 
yeah
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but beyond that I believe this meeting is adjourned
 
Anton{Politoed} thwacks a rubber chicken against a gong