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 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it's time
 <smasher> 
h
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
welcome to meeting number hhhhh
 <smasher> 
H
 <turb> 
gr5
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
on our agenda for the day, I have:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Finalize nominees for M5 and M7
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Favorite Song nominees
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Resolve M28
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*Resume Fail Awards
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so, M5 and M7
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39747.0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39749.0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
votes were held and I've already closed them
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
you can check out https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U-xcZsE8arNBgiYbeb3N4GVsobczDv6YpI8kYp3qYL8/edit for a handy dandy list of the final set
 <smasher> 
i voted for those at 12:30 in the morning on a day
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's nothing more to discuss about them unless someone's leg got cut off and would like to petition to get a chance to vote
 <smasher> 
are you proud of me
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
yes
 <smasher> 
:)
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
can i cut my leg off now and THEN petition (no i have no complaints, let's finalize them)
 <mcd> 
im good with finalising
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
in the future, I will be looking into options for better votes in off-meeting polls
 <Shoey> 
so did you cut the ones with tied results?
 <turb> 
yeah
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
namely ones where the votes aren't anonymous
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so I can see exactly who hasn't been voting
 <Shoey> 
rip yoshi's story
 <turb> 
no only the DK ties were cut
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the fun thing about the Awards Committee is we're here to come together as a group to decide things
 <Shoey> 
oh ok
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I could make sweeping decisions, but I don't, because I'm wonderful, nice, and super cute
 <Shoey> 
rip dkc3 levels
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
what about handsome
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so just remember that if there's a chance for you to vote, to either do so, say why you can't, or leave
 <NEXandGBX> 
but anton, dk's tie is a trademark
 <NEXandGBX> 
:diddy:
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i explained why i didn't vote in all polls i didn't vote in, so
 <Shoey> 
I voted in em all baby
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so that spiel out of the way
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Favorite Song
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
blof made a lovely gathering of all of the nominees and how to word them
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39719.msg1999928#msg1999928
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
aside from removing the quotations, how does everyone feel about the games and whatever being listed in full and not abbreviated
 <turb> 
i think as long as it doesn't lead to a trainwreck on the poll setup
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i think that's good for this particular award
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
because like
 <turb> 
i can't remember what polldaddy does with long nominee names
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
with most other awards you hav e a smaller field
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the standard in every other award is to abbreviate them all, but I feel like this one could be the exception as they're not all games
 <turb> 
but like, as a concept in and of its own it's good
 <turb> 
yeah
 <turb> 
make it clear exactly what is being voted on
 <Lakituthequick> 
The longest name is
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
take the wario award - you /know/ all the abbreviations are wario games
 <Lakituthequick> 
"Eddie, Let Me Go Back To My Home" (Donkey Kong Country cartoon)
 <smasher> 
iagree
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
here they're not even all games, yeah
 <smasher> 
ftr imalso good with adding mikes song
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
so i support wholesale addition
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
no complaints on that here
 <NEXandGBX> 
per
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm cool with Mike's Song as well
 <turb> 
yeah
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so unless anyone is violently opposed to it i'll tack it on as well
 <Lakituthequick> 
what's Mike's song again
 <__2257> 
mike from warioware
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and will do the grunt work of copy/pasting it all into the Full List document after the meeting
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
*thumbs up*
 <__2257> 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5thpfhv83M
 <Shoey> 
I don't have a problem
 <Gabumon> 
hes got two mikes on his head and you sing into him
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
also, afaik, all of these songs are either the correct name, or are the best name we can give
 <GBAToad> 
im here
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll give it a final look before I add them to the list later, but if there's any obvious flaws feel free to either yell them at me now or plop it into that thread before the meeting ends
 <Lakituthequick> 
I feel "Karaoke (Medamayaki)" is a bit awkward
 <Lakituthequick> 
otherwise no strange things
 <__2257> 
afaik the actual english title of the song is just medamayaki
 <__2257> 
the wiki page is just called that because
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.mariowiki.com/Karaoke_(Medamayaki)
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm cool with just Medamayaki based on that
 <__2257> 
its notable for the fact that its the song for the karaoke feature
 <GBAToad> 
^
 <Lakituthequick> 
exactly
 <__2257> 
but its also used as level bgm and there its not karaoke at all
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there will also be like
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
"Break Free (Lead the Way) (Super Mario Odyssey)"
 <GBAToad> 
no, it does play the lyrics on the level i think
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
is anyone instantly murdered by the two sets of parentheses
 <__2257> 
errrr does it?
 <__2257> 
i dont remember that
 <GBAToad> 
i remember HELLO THERE pretty clearly
 <__2257> 
but i mean
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
not me
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
in the polls these will all be listed in individual lines, so I believe that any confusion from that could only happen within our working Full List document
 <__2257> 
theres no subtitles, right
 <GBAToad> 
oh yeah theres no subtitles obvs
 <__2257> 
i just meant i dont think its really karaoke if the vocal track is being played by the game and theres no lyrics on screen
 <Gabumon> 
just dont put two parentheses into a command block
 <Gabumon> 
who knows what might happen
 <Lakituthequick> 
"Break Free (Lead the Way)" is actually called that officially on the ost so
 <__2257> 
it would be nice if we had italics
 <turb> 
the palm tree paradise theme definitely has lyrics
 <turb> 
besides hello there
 <GBAToad> 
oh ok i thought you were saying it doesnt have the song in the bgm which it does
 <GBAToad> 
I Understand.
 <__2257> 
oh
 <turb> 
o
 <Lord_Bowser> 
hi im here
 <turb> 
well
 <Lord_Bowser> 
sorry was eating
 <GBAToad> 
:wow:
 <turb> 
i guess it should be obvious whats meant as long as wario land 4 is next to it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so if we're all cool with all of this, we can move on
 <Lord_Bowser> 
:wow:
 <GBAToad> 
yeah
 <__2257> 
well
 <__2257> 
i eman, that game did have like
 <__2257> 
4 lyrical tracks
 <GBAToad> 
i agree that double parentheses kills me
 <__2257> 
medamayaki, the one credits theme, the other credits theme, and the opening
 <__2257> 
5 if you count the english and japanese versions of the credits as separate songs
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
alright moving on now to M28
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39803.0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there was good discussion in this thread
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and I've made a list of things for us to work through, plus anything else that people want to tack on to discussion
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
these bullet points aren't what's going to be done necessarily, but are the consideration to make:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Remove “Bowser’s Castle”
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Pick a game for “Donkey Kong Island”
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Add a game to “Yoshi’s Island”, (SMW2)?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Add “Super Mario Odyssey World”
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Rename nominee to “Flipside & Flopside + dimensions”
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Add game titles to each one that’s not already implied in the nominee name?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
are there any sweeping ideas that should take precedent to discuss over these first?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
such as "fuck it, let's remove the whole award"
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
if we have a good re-evaluation - and we do - i thin we cna keep this award
 
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 <Lord_Bowser> 
per perch
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Favorite Game Setting (Mushroom Kingdom (SMB), Mushroom Kingdom (PM), Super Mario RPG World, Dinosaur Land, Yoshi's Island, Isle Delfino, Beanbean Kingdom, Rogueport & surrounding areas, Flipside & Flopside, Bowser's Castle, Sarasaland, Donkey Kong Island, Sprixie Kingdom, Comet Observatory & Galaxies, Pi'illo Island, Prism Island)
 <turb> 
im here for a minute again
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so first up is removing Bowser's Castle as a nominee, as it's not specific to any one game setting and has high enough variability from game to game
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Remove "Bowser's Castle" from M28? (y/n/a)
 <Shoey> 
y
 <Meta_Knight> 
Y
 <__2257> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <smasher> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8
 <Lord_Bowser> 
as much as it pains me,
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <smasher> 
10-0-0
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <smasher> 
so long gay bowser
 <smasher> 
11-0-0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so next, in the spirit of making these known as game-specific locations, we'll need to decide which version of "Donkey Kong Island" to go with
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
DKC1, DK64, or DKCR
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if desired, we could have multiples, but they'll need to be specified
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
paging Gamefreak75 our dk ambassador
 <Gabumon> 
DK64 is the least impressive incarnation of the location
 <__2257> 
personally i think dkc1 had the best setting
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i only ever played dk64 so i can't help
 <Meta_Knight> 
"Donkey Kong Country"
 <__2257> 
in that, the world and level themes were informed by the overal shape of the world map
 <GBAToad> 
i have no comment on this subject because ive never played a DK game
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if that's all the discussion on it, I'm totally cool with just sticking (DKC) onto the end of it
 <GBAToad> 
would you like a nice WarioWare in this trying time
 <Toadbert> 
gba solve that
 <Toadbert> 
cause its a problem
 <Shoey> 
DKC is probably the one people would recognize the most
 <NEXandGBX> 
i'd go for dkc1's too
 <smasher> 
had to afk a sec
 <smasher> 
dkc1
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8, so I've stuck DKC on
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U-xcZsE8arNBgiYbeb3N4GVsobczDv6YpI8kYp3qYL8/edit
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I've also attached the games to most of the other nominees
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
which resolves my last point with no discussion lol
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
next is:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Add a game to “Yoshi’s Island”, (SMW2)?
 <smasher> 
rip discussion
 <smasher> 
smw2 yes
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
other option is YIDS
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
smw2 imo
 <Shoey> 
smw2
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I feel like people would respond more warmly to SMW2
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
it's a lot more iconically yoshi's island
 <Meta_Knight> 
Smw2
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Add “Super Mario Odyssey World”
 <__2257> 
uh my connection cut out for a second
 <__2257> 
but i want to say something about yoshis island
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
another nominee we have is listed already as "Super Mario RPG World" because there's no title for the world it takes place in, so this follows a standard we've already got
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and ok
 <__2257> 
probably irrelevant, but i just want to note
 <__2257> 
world 6 of yoshis island doesnt actually take place on yoshis island
 <__2257> 
ok you can continue now
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
scary
 <smasher> 
time to cancel awards
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i always thought it did and that was like
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
a nighttime version of the island
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
as opposed to some kind of dark world
 <Gabumon> 
how many nominees does that put us at
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so is everyone fine with "Super Mario Odyssey World"?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
uhhhhhhhh
 <mcd> 
yes
 <__2257> 
i mean, theres no waterthere
 <Gabumon> 
yes
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <mcd> 
also what if world 6 is the only world that takes place on yoshi's island
 <Shoey> 
yeah that's fine
 <__2257> 
yes
 <Shoey> 
shut up mcd
 <smasher> 
yes
 <mcd> 
;(
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
16, assuming we add SMO and with Bowser's Castle already removed
 <__2257> 
i dont really think it matters since people know whats meant, i jsut wanted the pooint to be raised
 <Gabumon> 
ok
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
is the sprixie kingdom particularly memorable
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
14) Sprixie Kingdom — 65 — 2.95% 15) Prism Island — 48 — 2.18% 16) Sarasaland — 37 — 1.68%
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it didn't get last, if that counts as remarkable
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
or memorable
 <Gabumon> 
wow
 <Gabumon> 
poor sarasaland
 <GBAToad> 
daisyshitters btfo again
 <Shoey> 
since we have room do we want to consider adding Crocodile Isle
 <GBAToad> 
the absolute unnamed continent of sarasaland
 <__2257> 
daisy fans dont even appreciate sarasaland
 <Gabumon> 
I was going to ask that
 <Shoey> 
sucks cause sml is a good game
 <__2257> 
they dont care about the daisy lore at all
 <Shoey> 
wow edo are we the same person
 <__2257> 
they just want to fap to her
 <Gabumon> 
sometimes
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we'll get to adding it or not soon , let me just wrap up this other thing
 <GBAToad> 
the man of memories knows not of the land of his god, only all 1200 facets of her physical appearance
 <Toadbert> 
do daisy fans believe the third eye is canon
 <__2257> 
only the cool ones
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Rename nominee to “Flipside & Flopside + dimensions”
 <smasher> 
im a daisy fan that believes in the third eye
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I guess it would be “Flipside & Flopside + dimensions (SPM)”
 <smasher> 
im also not an insane daisy fan
 <Shoey> 
yet
 <mcd> 
y
 <smasher> 
;)
 <Shoey> 
also yes anton
 
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 <Lakituthequick> 
wasn't "dimensions" in that name before
 <smasher> 
anyway yeah add dimensions
 <smasher> 
apparently not
 <Lakituthequick> 
eitherway fine with adding ti
 <Gabumon> 
it was in the equivalent fail award
 <Lakituthequick> 
ah
 <Toadbert> 
does + dimensions imply that
 <Toadbert> 
that nominee covers the entire game
 <Toadbert> 
unless thats the point
 <Gabumon> 
yeah
 <Lakituthequick> 
thats the goal yeah
 <Toadbert> 
ok nevermind i thought it was something super paper mario specific
 <__2257> 
yeah the idea of this award is that all the nominees are an entire game setting
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i'm brb but 22 is now me
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
obey him
 <Toadbert> 
who do i get to be
 <GBAToad> 
im squidward
 <__2257> 
yes, everyone, fetch me your finest gold plated caviar or uh
 <Meta_Knight> 
I'm out of the house so sorry in advance if my net dies
 <__2257> 
drag queens idk
 <Gabumon> 
im squidward
 <smasher> 
hi squuidware
 <smasher> 
ware
 <__2257> 
anyway
 <Toadbert> 
ware
 <smasher> 
squidward
 <Gabumon> 
we are both squidward
 <NEXandGBX> 
SquidWare
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
back
 <__2257> 
let's vote
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
got interrupted for food
 <smasher> 
awards are more important than foos
 <smasher> 
food
 <GBAToad> 
we're like brothers, but even closer
 <__2257> 
vote: rename the nominee to "Flipside & Flopside + dimensions (SPM)" (y/n/a(
 <Shoey> 
y
 <smasher> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <mcd> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
parentheses error
 <Gabumon> 
not a valid json
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <smasher> 
7-0-0
 <smasher> 
8-0-0
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Toadbert> 
none of the awards work now
 <smasher> 
9-0-0
 <__2257> 
sorry its hard for me to type, but this wouldnt have been a valid json anwyay
 <__2257> 
also i think that passed, what a thrill
 <Gabumon> 
2257 your typo just deleted all the cows in the world
 <__2257> 
well, as long as the goats are ok
 <Shoey> 
we'll use goat mil
 <Shoey> 
k
 <__2257> 
next thing to discuss is the name "Rogeuport & surrounding areas" for the setting of pm2
 <smasher> 
squidware probably deleted something
 <__2257> 
there was some discussion last time about uh
 <smasher> 
the goats may not have survived
 <__2257> 
whether thats actually the correct name
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
what's a good alternative
 <Gabumon> 
we're not necessarily going for the most 100% correct name
 <Gabumon> 
just a name that is mostly correct and also a recognizable concept
 <__2257> 
i think what was proposed was "Mushroom Kingdom (TTYD)" but i dont think thats the clearest
 <Stargazing> 
i'm not sure because i never played ttyd but from what i can tell that seems correct?
 <Gabumon> 
no, thats odd
 <Stargazing> 
yeah that's not clear
 <__2257> 
people might actuallt think that just means
 <smasher> 
i think i prefer it the way it is
 <__2257> 
mario's hosue at the beginning,
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <__2257> 
i guess the problem with the current name is
 <GBAToad> 
sorry had to go get fud
 <__2257> 
its hard to make the case that the moon is a surrounding area of rogueport
 <Gabumon> 
I think it is also not clear if Rogueport is really in the mushroom kingdom
 <Shoey> 
pretty arrogant for the mushroom kingdom to annex the moon
 <Gabumon> 
like, at the beginning Toadsworth says they were visiting the outskirts of the kingdom
 <Stargazing> 
the moon might not be but i'm pretty sure everything else in game is
 <Gabumon> 
and had to stop in rogueport for fuel
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
yeah, i don't think mushroom kingdom ttyd is a good name because like
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
outside of a couple throwaway lines, ther'es no indication it's mushroom kingdom
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
"rogueport and surroundings" is much more clear and concise
 <__2257> 
ok so
 <Shoey> 
what does the wiki say?
 <Gabumon> 
also, I think the moon is a reasonable exception
 <smasher> 
i do too
 <__2257> 
the wiki says its a part of the mushroom kingdom
 <__2257> 
https://www.mariowiki.com/Rogueport#cite_note-1
 <Meta_Knight> 
Id argue against that its in the mushroom kingdom
 <Gabumon> 
I think Rogueport + surrounding areas is fine
 <Shoey> 
i'd still prefer to call it rougeport
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
also what shoey said
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
the moon isn't part of the mushroom kingdom either
 <__2257> 
ok so what im hearing is
 <__2257> 
nobody likes the only alternative that was proposed
 <Shoey> 
Blocky if the usa can claim the moon
 <__2257> 
does anyone have a suggestion they DO like better?
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
they can't, legally
 <Shoey> 
i'm pretty sure the mushroom kingdom can
 <smasher> 
no i want to leave it as is
 <Stargazing> 
i've always thought this was fine as is
 <__2257> 
because if not, im just going to lettt his stay the same without a vote
 <Shoey> 
i'm fine with it staying the same
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i'm back but i'll let 22 finish this point out while I do document stuff really quick
 <Gabumon> 
Doosyburg
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
also i'd rather just let this stay the same
 <GBAToad> 
per
 <__2257> 
well, i am basically finished with this one, sinc everyone seems to like the current name
 <__2257> 
re: document, i cant edit it so flipflop hasnt been changed
 <GBAToad> 
👏
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8 we're all set
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
which game is crocodile isle for
 <Shoey> 
dkc2
 <__2257> 
dkc2
 <Gabumon> 
DKC2
 <smasher> 
dkc2
 <smasher> 
i support adding it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Bumm-Badabumm im Urwald
 <mcd> 
the c is for "crocodile isle"
 
Gabumon dies
 <__2257> 
you shouldnt kill gabumon
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
did I just speak archaic words that instantly deleted his soul
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Crocodile Isle (DKC2)" to M28? (y/n/a)
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <smasher> 
yes you did
 <turb> 
im here for more than a mintue again
 <Shoey> 
y
 <smasher> 
and y
 <turb> 
y
 <mcd> 
y
 <__2257> 
well i think urwald means ancient forest, so maybe?
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
a
 <__2257> 
idk what the rest of it means though
 <smasher> 
6-0-1
 <__2257> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Stargazing> 
a
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <smasher> 
70-1
 <smasher> 
top
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
https://www.mariowiki.com/images/b/b0/Bumm-Badabumm_im_Urwald.jpg
 <smasher> 
stop
 <Shoey> 
play donkey kong games you fucks
 <smasher> 
9-0-2
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
No
 <Gabumon> 
its onomatopoeia for a drum beat
 <smasher> 
i fixed it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok it's added
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
M28 is at 17 nominees now, in case anyone else has other suggestions
 <Lord_Bowser> 
none from me
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
not me
 <Gabumon> 
re-add bowsers castle for mario is missing
 <turb> 
good plan
 <Shoey> 
the place from dkc 3
 <__2257> 
"you could indeed say that, diddy. the message is from funky-kong. there aren't any bananas anymore on the whole island. all stocks have been pludered over night. even the plantation are empty" man what happened to dk between then and dk64
 <Gabumon> 
Northern Kremisphere
 <turb> 
northern- yeah
 <smasher> 
add all the donkey kong things
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
is this a serious consideration
 <Shoey> 
yeah
 <turb> 
i personally dont care if it gets on either way
 <Gamefreak75> 
im back
 <Toadbert> 
id vote for it
 <Gamefreak75> 
where we at
 <turb> 
I guess it'd be worth a vote if we want to hit cap that bad
 <turb> 
and it was memorable enough
 <smasher> 
im indifferent to this one
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
is this dkc3 or dkl3
 <Shoey> 
dkc3
 <Toadbert> 
technically both probably but
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm a
 <Toadbert> 
no one knows what dkl3 is
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Northern Kremisphere (DKC3)" to M28? (y/n/a)
 <Shoey> 
y
 <Toadbert> 
y
 <mcd> 
a
 <Lord_Bowser> 
a
 <Gamefreak75> 
a
 <__2257> 
a
 <smasher> 
a
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
a
 <Gabumon> 
I guess what it boils down to for me is
 <Meta_Knight> 
A
 <Lakituthequick> 
a
 <Gabumon> 
is it a stronger nominee than sarasaland
 <Stargazing> 
a
 <smasher> 
is tb on ac i geniunely dont remember
 <Shoey> 
defeated by apathy what a word
 <Toadbert> 
in spirit
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMWmi9ovX7M
 <Stargazing> 
*pats*
 <turb> 
yeah tb isnt on ac i donmt think
 <mcd> 
is tb on ac - y/n/a
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Toadbert> 
y
 <mcd> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <turb> 
can we not do this please
 <smasher> 
1--0-9
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
sorry
 <Gabumon> 
I havent voted yet, I'm waiting for an answer
 <mcd> 
yeah sorry
 <smasher> 
tbs spirit doesnt count
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i straight up dunno
 <turb> 
I think it's more fleshed out than sarasaland?
 <Shoey> 
I think it is
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I didn't even know northern kremisphere existed
 <smasher> 
i dont know if this is stronger than sarasaland
 <Shoey> 
as a man who loves both games
 <__2257> 
i think its a matter of opinion
 <turb> 
sarasaland has the disadvantage of being on a weaker system
 <Toadbert> 
i thought i got half a vote
 <smasher> 
given how much apathy this has idk
 <__2257> 
the rule was changed
 <smasher> 
rip tb
 <__2257> 
you dont get to vot anymore tb im sorry
 <Toadbert> 
fuck.........................
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i wouldn't feel comfortable adding something that had like
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
one non-abstain
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we still value your opinion :)
 <turb> 
im really apathetic about one over the other honestly
 <smasher> 
switching to n
 <Gabumon> 
you know what
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
n
 <smasher> 
too much apathy to add i think
 <GBAToad> 
i mean im a
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <GBAToad> 
because ive never played dk
 <smasher> 
2-2-7
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i'm willing to see how it plays out so I'm Y
 <Gabumon> 
idk about sarasaland, but it is definitely stronger than sprixie kingdom
 <turb> 
Y in that case
 <__2257> 
if i want to be apathetic properly, shoudl i counter smashers no by changing to y :thinking:
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <turb> 
yeah, per edo
 <__2257> 
lol yeah sprixie kingdom isnt even a place
 <turb> 
sprixie kingdom was basically a bunch of unrelated worlds pasted together
 <smasher> 
5-2-others
 <Shoey> 
so is the mushroom kingdom most the time :P
 <__2257> 
even the world int hat game didnt have coherent themes
 <__2257> 
super annoying
 <mcd> 
yeah it couldve just as easily been the mushroom kingdom
 <smasher> 
ehhh you know what ill go ahead and let it get a shot
 <smasher> 
switching again to y
 <mcd> 
yeah ill switch from a to y
 <smasher> 
i have to see how many abstains there are now sjdsjwfshs
 <smasher> 
7-1-29428
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i've added it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the awards is now full
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-s
 <smasher> 
abstains no longer matter
 <mcd> 
the entire awards
 <Shoey> 
a small victory for the best snes dk game
 <mcd> 
no more nominees
 <smasher> 
all meeting are cancelled
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
with that, we can go onto Fail Awards
 <Gamefreak75> 
finally the best awards
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
where we at
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we finished F1 last time, so
 <GBAToad> 
where the failures at
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
F2 Worst 2D Level (The Very Loooooong Cave (YI), Tubular (SMW), World 8-3 (SMB), Endless World of Yoshis (YI), World 9-7 (NSMBW), Lakitu's Wall (YI), Mine Cart Madness (DKC), World 8-Castle (SMB3), Stampede Sprint (DKC3), World 8-1 (SMB), World 4-2 (SMB2), World 7-8 (SMB3), The Big Board (WL4), Pendulum Castle (NSMBU), Doodle Woods (WL4), World 7-4 (SMB),
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
World 3-5 (SMB3), World 6-4 (SMB3))
 <smasher> 
give us the losers
 <Lakituthequick> 
16) World 6-4 (SMB3) — 27 — 1.55%
 <Lakituthequick> 
17) World 4-2 (SMB2) — 25 — 1.43%
 <Lakituthequick> 
18) World 3-5 (SMB3) — 22 — 1.26%
 <Lakituthequick> 
19) O. Poochy Ain't Stupid (YI) — 5 — 0.29%
 <Lakituthequick> 
20) O. World 8-4 (SMB) — 4 — 0.23%
 <Lakituthequick> 
21) O. Awesome (SMW) — 3 — 0.17%
 <Lakituthequick> 
21) O. Fire Bar Sprint (NSLU) — 3 — 0.17%
 <Lakituthequick> 
21) O. World 3-8 (SMB3) — 3 — 0.17%
 <Lakituthequick> 
21) O. World 6-5 (SMB3) — 3 — 0.17%
 <mcd> 
have there been any 2d games since the last awards?
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
hmm
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
1 sec
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
no
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's been odyssey and rabbids
 <__2257> 
i hate these people voting for poochy in a fail award
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and tennis whatever coming out soon
 <Gamefreak75> 
skip imo
 <__2257> 
death to thos epeople
 <mcd> 
i don't really see much point in us adding/removing any then, skip
 <Shoey> 
I guess you could say poochy is stupid
 <Shoey> 
eh 22
 <smasher> 
skip
 <Stargazing> 
there's nothing much to change here, since the last regular isn't too close to the highest writein
 <Stargazing> 
skip
 <Lord_Bowser> 
!skip
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we could easily remove the bottom 3 but we like
 <GBAToad> 
!skip
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
don't need to
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so I don't want to
 <smasher> 
yeah i dont think we need to rihgt now
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
yeah that's what i was checking
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
there's no huge dropoffs in vote count
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
just a gradual slide down
 <__2257> 
i dont even remember what those levels are lol
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
so !skip
 <Shoey> 
me either
 <mcd> 
they all have a sizeable amount of votes
 <turb> 
yeah id say skip
 <mcd> 
so some people must remember
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
F3 Worst 3D Level (Corona Mountain (SMS), The Toxic Waterfall/Lily Pad Ride (SMS), Pachinko Game (SMS), Stone Cyclone Galaxy (SMG2), Wing Mario Over the Rainbow/Over the Rainbows (SM64), Sling Pod Galaxy (SMG), Rainbow Ride (SM64), Twisty Trials Galaxy (SMG2), Special 8-3 (SM3DL), Rolling Gizmo Galaxy (SMG), Boss Blitz Galaxy (SMG2), Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG),
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Bubble Breeze Galaxy (SMG), World 1-1 (SM3DL), World 8-6 (SM3DL), Rainbow Run (SM3DW), Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW), Fuzzy Time Mine (SM3DW))
 <Lakituthequick> 
16) Twisty Trials Galaxy (SMG2) — 30 — 1.58%
 <Lakituthequick> 
17) Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG) — 27 — 1.42%
 <Lakituthequick> 
18) World 8-6 (SM3DL) — 24 — 1.26%
 <Lakituthequick> 
19) O. Champion's Road (SM3DW) — 16 — 0.84%
 <Lakituthequick> 
20) O. Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2) — 10 — 0.53%
 <Lakituthequick> 
21) O. Sand Bird (SMS) — 5 — 0.26%
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I've got some Notes for this one
 <Gamefreak75> 
luncheon
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
you know what i wonder
 <mcd> 
16 and 10 are very large amounts for write-ins
 <Shoey> 
wanna swap world 8-6 for Champions roads
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
why did we put 1-1 3dl on here to begin with
 <Gamefreak75> 
per shoey
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i mean it's clearly popular enough to keep i'm just
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Add write-ins “Champion's Road (SM3DW)” and “Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2)”
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
wondering whyit's hated
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Add “Luncheon Kingdom (SMO)” and “Ruined Kingdom (SMO)”
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
also yeah, per shoey
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Must remove an equal amount or more
 <mcd> 
yeah thats what im thinking
 <Shoey> 
no don't add ruined kingdom
 <turb> 
no
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
for reference
 <turb> 
we're adding it
 <mcd> 
re: replacing 8-6
 <turb> 
it was awful
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
13) Boss Blitz Galaxy (SMG2) — 51 — 2.69%
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Ruined Kingdom literally made me hate Odyssey
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
14) Special 8-3 (SM3DL) — 41 — 2.16%
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
15) Rainbow Run (SM3DW) — 40 — 2.11%
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
16) Twisty Trials Galaxy (SMG2) — 30 — 1.58%
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'd say we could easily chop the bottom three off
 <Lord_Bowser> 
add dark side and darker side imo
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
with no problems
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I want to add Odyssey to F15 but I know it won't pass
 <__2257> 
i think maybde 3d land 1-1 is just like
 <Shoey> 
I loved ruined kingdom
 <GBAToad> 
luncheon is uh
 <Lord_Bowser> 
or at least add dark side
 <__2257> 
a proxy for the entire game honestly
 <GBAToad> 
worse than ruined
 <GBAToad> 
honestly
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
not as sure about rainbow run and 8-3 but
 <__2257> 
the level design in that game was trash
 <Lord_Bowser> 
per gba
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
if we have enough i'd say we can kill them too
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it is gba but we can add both
 <Gamefreak75> 
ad dark side yeah
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
also 22 that makes sense
 <GBAToad> 
oh ok
 <GBAToad> 
i thought it was a one or the other thing
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
nah
 <GBAToad> 
im still _ on ruined in general
 <Lord_Bowser> 
honestly i dont think luncheon is as bad as dark side
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we just need to remove as many as we're adding
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
because it's already at 18
 <GBAToad> 
the boss was awesome but its a huge Missed Opportunity
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i fucking hate dark side
 <turb> 
i think luncheon is worse because it's a full level
 <turb> 
ruined kingdom just makes me sad
 <NEXandGBX> 
there's nothing really bad in ruined it was just a big missed oppritunity
 <turb> 
because it was a massive missed opportunity and the boss looked cool but was braindead easy
 <NEXandGBX> 
personally i'd add seaside but i know i'm a huge minority in that
 <__2257> 
i feel liek
 <__2257> 
darker side would do well
 <smasher> 
i support killing the bottom one for luncheon at least
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'd say we should like
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok so we can do the easy stuff right now
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
let me set up a vote
 <Lord_Bowser> 
idk i feel theres worse than luncheon
 <__2257> 
since we're already adding, basically, the darker sides of sm3dw and smg2
 <Stargazing> 
i know nothing about odyssey but i know a lot of people hate dark side
 <__2257> 
because of how well they did as write ins
 <Stargazing> 
or darker side, whichever one
 <Stargazing> 
because i can't read
 <__2257> 
people hate that fake difficult final level shit
 <GBAToad> 
dark side features the same fruit/veg model from luncheon kingdom and people are calling both of them shit
 <GBAToad> 
:thinking:
 <turb> 
maybe youre onto something
 <Gabumon> 
checkpoint starvation is not difficulty, its tedium
 <Shoey> 
I agree edo
 <Gamefreak75> 
fwiw i liked luncheon
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Swap in “Champion's Road (SM3DW)” and “Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2)” by removing "World 8-6 (SM3DL)" and "Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG)"? (y/n/a)
 <Shoey> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <mcd> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
these are the top 2 write-ins and the bottom two formal nominees
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <__2257> 
also i agree but thats why i said fake difficult
 <Shoey> 
I don't remember world 8-6 at all lol
 <smasher> 
y
 <__2257> 
instead of just dificult
 <mcd> 
i dont remember sm3dl at all tbh
 <Meta_Knight> 
Y
 <Gabumon> 
I wasnt correcting you
 <smasher> 
13-0-0
 <Gabumon> 
I was just stating what I think
 <Shoey> 
I remember really liking sm3dl
 <__2257> 
oh ok
 <smasher> 
sm3dl existeed
 <__2257> 
lets do it
 <mcd> 
i was kinda lukewarm about it at the time so nothing really sticks out much
 <__2257> 
by which i mean, add that ot the award
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
3dl is forgettably generic
 <turb> 
f
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Rabbids, if it has levels, would fit more into F4 so all we've got now are Odyssey levels
 <Stargazing> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <__2257> 
(rabbids does have levels)
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so what's the big list of shit everyone hated in odyssey
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Ruined Kingdom
 <smasher> 
15-0-0
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Luncheon Kingdom
 <Gamefreak75> 
dark side
 <Lord_Bowser> 
dark side
 <Lord_Bowser> 
darker side
 <__2257> 
i didnt actually hate darker side but i think it will be hated
 <turb> 
Ruined Kingdom, Luncheon Kingdom, Dark Side
 <turb> 
I didn't hate darker side just dark side
 <Lord_Bowser> 
both of which i personally find far worse than luncheon/ruined
 <Gamefreak75> 
tbh i think ruined is better for missed opportunity
 <Shoey> 
I don't have any opinion on luncheon
 <Lord_Bowser> 
same
 <turb> 
i think people will hate darker side but it was a pretty big improvement over the other checkpointless meme levels tbh
 <Lakituthequick> 
Ruined only wasn't as expansive as it could have been, wouldn't want it here
 <Gamefreak75> 
it wasnt bad imo, just dull
 <__2257> 
was it
 <__2257> 
i never played the sm3dw version
 <turb> 
it felt more varied
 <Shoey> 
I think ruined could go on missed opportunity
 <turb> 
the sm3dw one sucked
 <Lord_Bowser> 
its not bullshittingly hard
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm comfortable with dropping ruined for this
 <__2257> 
i remember thinking smg2 was pretty hard and sm3dl was piss easy
 <Gabumon> 
ruined will absolutely go on missed opportunity
 <Gabumon> 
but it's gonna get an n from me here
 <turb> 
yeah, Id be fine with ruined getting dropped for this as long as it's 100% on missed opportunity
 <Gamefreak75> 
per
 <Lord_Bowser> 
ill take it
 <Shoey> 
i'd buy that sweet ruined kingdom dlc
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
fine by me
 <GBAToad> 
per
 <Lord_Bowser> 
but tbh luncheon will get an n from me here
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Luncheon Kingdom, Dark Side, Darker Side
 <Lord_Bowser> 
because dark/darker side are significantly worse
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
are Dark and Darker separate
 <Lord_Bowser> 
yes
 <Gamefreak75> 
yeah
 <Gabumon> 
like all you really have to do is go back a couple lines and read everyones reasoning for disliking ruined kingdom
 <Gabumon> 
most of them outright say "missed opportunity"
 <turb> 
Dark Side is a boss rush
 <turb> 
Darker Side is a checkpointless level
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
did anyone else hate Luncheon as much as I did
 <Shoey> 
I never did dark side
 <turb> 
i did
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it completely broke the game for me
 <Lord_Bowser> 
boss rush + harder versions of earlier challenges
 <GBAToad> 
i hated it
 <Gabumon> 
dark side is a boss rush and some extra challenges
 <Shoey> 
I'm gonna go with N on luncheon
 <turb> 
the soup missions were garbage
 <GBAToad> 
pepto bismol lava
 <Lakituthequick> 
i didn't dislike it
 <__2257> 
i didnt hate it that much but i thought it was pretty bad
 <__2257> 
i would vote for it
 <Shoey> 
guys you can become meat
 <Shoey> 
best level
 <Lord_Bowser> 
im neutral on it
 <Gabumon> 
I thought luncheon was eh
 <smasher> 
i dont hate luncheon but i dont oppose adding it
 <turb> 
and it was a really really bad choice for one of the penultimate kingdoms
 <__2257> 
you can becoem meat in EVERY level
 <Gamefreak75> 
i liked luncheon
 <smasher> 
its probably the worst full sized level
 <Lakituthequick> 
it's a tad random sure
 <GBAToad> 
the aesthetic was also just
 <GBAToad> 
bad
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm abstaining on all odyssey things
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
a clean swap would be removing:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
14) World 7-8 (SMB3) — 35 — 2.00% 15) The Big Board (WL4) — 29 — 1.66% 16) World 6-4 (SMB3) — 27 — 1.55%
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
that's
 <Shoey> 
wait
 <Shoey> 
what
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
next up are:
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
not the right nominees
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
whoops
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I scrolled up lol
 <Gamefreak75> 
rip
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
it happens
 <smasher> 
rip
 <GBAToad> 
yes lets remove those for 3d levels
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
14) Special 8-3 (SM3DL) — 41 — 2.16% 15) Rainbow Run (SM3DW) — 40 — 2.11% 16) Twisty Trials Galaxy (SMG2) — 30 — 1.58%
 <GBAToad> 
3d levels so bad they lose a dimension
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm down for cutting all three of those
 <__2257> 
damn, twisty trials galaxy
 <smasher> 
surde
 <__2257> 
i HATE that one
 <smasher> 
sure
 <__2257> 
why didnt it do better
 <GBAToad> 
surde
 <turb> 
i hate that one but also it was literlaly a port from sunshine
 <turb> 
i cant believe they just ported levels form sunshine
 <smasher> 
surde
 <Shoey> 
yeah fuck sunshine
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i mean
 <Lord_Bowser> 
surde
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
throwback was a port from 64
 <GBAToad> 
dhrild
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if no one is opposed to wholesale swapping I'll ring that up as the vote
 <turb> 
they at least updated it in some ways
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
you take that back you son of a submariner
 <turb> 
and yeah I'm good with swapping
 <GBAToad> 
same
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
sure
 <__2257> 
i didnt like throwback
 <Lord_Bowser> 
dont know
 <__2257> 
but it wasnt a port
 <__2257> 
they redid the entire level
 <__2257> 
with new graphics and all
 <__2257> 
twisty trials was literally just a port
 <NEXandGBX> 
i didn't have as many ails as everyone else did with luncheon tbh
 <smasher> 
suoirt a swap
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i personally dont have anything against luncheon honestly
 <smasher> 
support
 <__2257> 
the only thing changed was that they took the 5 seconds necessary to add a cloud flower
 <Lord_Bowser> 
dhirld
 <Shoey> 
me either lb
 <smasher> 
suoirt what the actual fuck
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add Luncheon, Dark, and Darker by swapping out Special (8-3), Rainbow Run, and Twisty Trials? (y/n/a)
 <GBAToad> 
luncheon killed my family
 <smasher> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Shoey> 
a
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
a
 <Lord_Bowser> 
a
 <__2257> 
y...
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if you're someone who doesn't want luncheon in here at all, that'd be a N vote
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
uhhh
 <Gabumon> 
n
 <smasher> 
5-0-3
 <Lakituthequick> 
n
 <Meta_Knight> 
Y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
change to n
 <Shoey> 
change to n
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
what's the uhhh
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
did I mess up something again
 <Gabumon> 
I dont want to add them as a combination deal
 <Gamefreak75> 
(i think moon is worse than luncheon tbh)
 <smasher> 
6-4-1
 <Lord_Bowser> 
^
 <NEXandGBX> 
n, i'm not sure how many people outside of us dislike lunchon
 <GBAToad> 
ok actually yeah can we split them at least
 <Stargazing> 
a
 <Gabumon> 
like, I thought we were doing individual consideration
 <Lord_Bowser> 
per split
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok but I did ask before I set up the vote
 <smasher> 
6-5-2
 <Gabumon> 
my votes are n, n, and y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
from what I've divined from this conversation
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
the order people care about is Darker, Dark, Luncheon
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so I'll go with that
 <Gamefreak75> 
y,y,a
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Twisty Trials Galaxy (SMG2)" with "Darker Side (SMO)"? (y/n/a)
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Shoey> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <turb> 
a
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
a
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <Meta_Knight> 
Y
 <smasher> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8 so we're doing that
 <smasher> 
10-0-2
 <GBAToad> 
im gay
 <Shoey> 
we know
 <smasher> 
same
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Rainbow Run (SM3DW)" with "Dark Side (SMO)"? (y/n/a)
 <smasher> 
y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <GBAToad> 
i will remind them
 <Lakituthequick> 
a
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Lord_Bowser> 
y x 500
 <Gabumon> 
a
 <turb> 
y
 <Shoey> 
a never played dark side
 <mcd> 
a
 <smasher> 
5-0-4
 <__2257> 
y
 <smasher> 
6-0-4
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
a
 <smasher> 
7-0-5
 <Gabumon> 
I think dark side is okay-ish
 <GBAToad> 
i kinda just
 <NEXandGBX> 
not entirely sure what i feel about dark side but i'd be alright with adding it
 <Gabumon> 
like, theres annoying challenges, but at least theres no checkpoint starvation
 <turb> 
there was checkpoint starvation during the boss rush wasnt there?
 <GBAToad> 
hated that one stage with the bullet bills and the bricks
 <turb> 
i remember dying during it a few times
 <GBAToad> 
breakdown road
 <turb> 
pissed me off
 <turb> 
yeah and breakdown road
 <turb> 
fuck that
 <smasher> 
i dont detest dark side but i think it would probably do well
 <Lord_Bowser> 
im just heavily biased because it took me 4 hours and 3000+ coins to do that fucking bullet bill challenge yeah
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Special 8-3 (SM3DL)" with "Luncheon Kingdom (SMO)"? (y/n/a)
 <Shoey> 
n
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
n
 <Lord_Bowser> 
n
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
a
 <GBAToad> 
there was also piranha plant thing
 <Lakituthequick> 
n
 <NEXandGBX> 
n
 <__2257> 
y
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
why all the Ns
 <GBAToad> 
i feel like i cant pick a here
 <smasher> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I want to know because I literally hated this level so much
 <turb> 
I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything positive about this level lol
 <turb> 
like even outside of here
 <Shoey> 
I thought it was fine
 <Gamefreak75> 
breakdown road gave me an aneurysms
 <Gabumon> 
I dont think hating luncheon kingdom is a general thing
 <Meta_Knight> 
Y
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Gabumon> 
ive seen people really like it
 <Lord_Bowser> 
i just dont really think it was inherently an awful level
 <turb> 
well
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
people like SPM
 <Lakituthequick> 
i mean it's not a diamond level but
 <turb> 
i figure like
 <Lord_Bowser> 
it wasnt the greatest but
 <smasher> 
i think we should add a standard kingdom at least
 <Lakituthequick> 
its not bad either
 <Lakituthequick> 
to me
 <turb> 
if people do like it
 <Lakituthequick> 
at least
 <Lord_Bowser> 
its not shit tier
 <GBAToad> 
mariowiki is bitter about soup
 <turb> 
it's not going to get any votes
 <Meta_Knight> 
I didnt mind dark side imo but it's frustrating enough that it should be added
 <smasher> 
and this is probably my least favprote
 <turb> 
so we should try it out
 <NEXandGBX> 
it might have mixed reception but idk
 <Gamefreak75> 
spm is a good game
 <smasher> 
tallying hold on
 <mcd> 
y
 <Shoey> 
spm is a good game
 <GBAToad> 
daisy is an ok character
 <turb> 
so like, if luncheon is at the dead ass last of the results then we'll just axe it next year
 <GBAToad> 
yeah thats my opinion honestly
 <smasher> 
8-5-1
 <smasher> 
i think
 <Gabumon> 
heres the thing with that SPM comment
 <GBAToad> 
smasher ultimate counter
 <NEXandGBX> 
in that case i guess we could add it and see how it does
 <smasher> 
my dr talent
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
spm is a good game
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
also yeah
 <Lord_Bowser> 
im honestly confused at what caused all the hate
 <Lord_Bowser> 
at luncheon i mean
 <Gabumon> 
SPM is a boring game in which nothing really happens except shakespeare is going on in the background while you run on a treadmill
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'm ok with adding it and seeing if it does poorly
 <Stargazing> 
there's nothing wrong in seeing what works and what doesn;t
 <turb> 
i can see why people would like luncheon more than i can see why people would like SPM
 <Gabumon> 
luncheon kingdom still has the core gameplay from all the other levels
 <Gabumon> 
youre still doing shit in it
 <Gabumon> 
it is a functional level
 <Gabumon> 
the comparison doesnt work
 <Stargazing> 
i mean spm is my favourite paper mario because my only other option is ss
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
what about sticker star
 <Stargazing> 
and spm does have a bit of charm but that's not the point of this meeting
 <smasher> 
play the first two
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
this is honestly the largest grouping of people I've seen say they like SPM
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I've only gleaned from what I've seen this community's reaction to it
 <Lord_Bowser> 
but like can people more in detail explain why they hate luncheon?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and from that it was only blocky likes it and no one else
 <Lord_Bowser> 
because i only have vague snippets
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
until like right now
 <Stargazing> 
i will starve myself before i say sticker star is my favourite paper mario, perch
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
it's a lonely journey
 <turb> 
I didn't find it well designed
 <GBAToad> 
i can boil my vote down to a few reasons: the visual direction is the worst in the game; even on a stylised level the fruit/veg and disgusting pink lava are all bad
 <Gabumon> 
no, SPM has a dedicated fandom
 <Gamefreak75> 
ive defended spm multiple timess
 <Gabumon> 
...somehow
 <GBAToad> 
the boss is... not the best
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
maybe people just
 <turb> 
the visuals looked like shit but even if it looked incredible I didn't find the missions to be fun
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
like it
 <Shoey> 
i'm not passionate about spm but the one time I played it I enjoyed it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I hate Luncheon Kingdom because it's an ugly level that looks lazily constructed with poorly rendered blocks for no reason that mean nothing to its food-based environment
 <turb> 
or the boss and the fact that you spent 2 or 3 missions trying to chase it
 <GBAToad> 
honestly i think if i was to add it to anything it would be Worst Setting
 <GBAToad> 
but
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
an overwhelming majority of the level takes place in a pepto bismol ocean and not even anything to do with food
 <Lord_Bowser> 
actually
 <Lord_Bowser> 
gba has a point
 <turb> 
worst setting is too all encompassing
 <GBAToad> 
also who thinks riding across an ocean of pink lava is a good concept for anything
 <turb> 
i think
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Worst Setting would be for SMO entirely
 <GBAToad> 
yeah
 <turb> 
also i'm just saying i flat out didn't like the gameplay lol
 <GBAToad> 
thats my issue
 <GBAToad> 
so i have to add it here
 <Lord_Bowser> 
oh ok fair
 <turb> 
the soup missions were garbage and took me hours
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm bitter enough about Luncheon to add SMO to it but no one else is
 <turb> 
none of the moons were standout or fun
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
either way the vote landed to add Luncheon so we'll see wat hapns
 <turb> 
except like MAYBE the tomato one in that one building
 <Gamefreak75> 
tbf luncheon is winning iirc
 <GBAToad> 
i remember that breaking cheese one
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
if it's dead last then we'll remove it next year
 <GBAToad> 
and the tomato one because hey
 <Gamefreak75> 
8-5 or something
 <GBAToad> 
i fucking hated it
 <GBAToad> 
but i loved the enemies
 <turb> 
i had to redo that mission like 5 times because i kept missing the jump into the soup pot and dying
 <turb> 
but i still thought it was conceptually good
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll edit the Full List with all of this soon
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
anything else for F3?
 <GBAToad> 
to give you an idea why luncheon kingdom rubs me the wrong way
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i got nothing
 <smasher> 
move on
 <Lakituthequick> 
I gathered
 <GBAToad> 
when we got to the center of the moon and there was actual orange lava
 <Lakituthequick> 
Add: Champion's Road (SM3DW), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Darker Side (SMO), Dark Side (SMO), Luncheon Kingdom (SMO)
 <Lakituthequick> 
Remove: World 8-6 (SM3DL), Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG), Twisty Trials Galaxy (SMG2), Rainbow Run (SM3DW)
 <GBAToad> 
i was like "thank fucking GOD"
 <GBAToad> 
at lav
 <GBAToad> 
a
 <GBAToad> 
of all things
 <GBAToad> 
and yeah i think thats how we're doing it ltq
 <Lord_Bowser> 
fair enough
 <mcd> 
i think that's everything
 <Gabumon> 
the pink lava wouldnt have been so jarring to me if A) they explained what it is, and B) the podoboos actually matched
 <GBAToad> 
^
 <turb> 
^
 <Gabumon> 
like I remember those two things bothering me
 <turb> 
why arent the podoboos pink
 <turb> 
god damn
 <GBAToad> 
tomatos are cute though
 <GBAToad> 
ill give them that
 <Gabumon> 
they should have just made the lava hot broth
 <mcd> 
hot icing
 <Gamefreak75> 
it should have been tomato sauce
 <Gamefreak75> 
or soup
 
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 <GBAToad> 
saltwater
 <Gabumon> 
tomato sauce
 <GBAToad> 
but hot
 <Lord_Bowser> 
salsa
 <Gabumon> 
now I want to go to spaghetti kingdom
 <Lord_Bowser> 
salsa wouldve been perfect
 <Gabumon> 
whens that
 <GBAToad> 
salsa wouldve made sense kinda
 <GBAToad> 
the vegetables etc
 <Gamefreak75> 
or its boiling pink cheese
 <mcd> 
could've been pink custard actually
 <turb> 
i would have loved spaghetti kingdom
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
Odyssey 2: Super Mario Iliad
 <__2257> 
see tomato sauce would have just looked like lava because that level had that weird aesthetic
 <turb> 
fondue kingdom
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
...actually that would come before Odyssey
 <GBAToad> 
yeah 22
 <mcd> 
its a prequel
 <GBAToad> 
anyway are we moving on since things have been decided upon
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i believe so
 <__2257> 
they probably just made it pink because they wanted to be clear it wasnt actually lava
 <turb> 
yeah once the list is updated
 <GBAToad> 
yeah i think like
 <Gamefreak75> 
i think antons updating the list
 <GBAToad> 
if they wanted to make it orange lava it would've been more jarring than pink
 <GBAToad> 
but
 <GBAToad> 
pink
 <GBAToad> 
of all things
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
it was big
 <turb> 
orange-ish yellow would have looked more like food of some kind tbh
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
scary
 <GBAToad> 
tomato sauce would've been fine
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
and PINK
 <Gamefreak75> 
i liked the blue lava in 3d world
 <Gabumon> 
now that I think about it
 <GBAToad> 
there was blue lava
 <turb> 
just dont mix in red so it doesnt look like "proper" video game lava
 <GBAToad> 
god damn
 <turb> 
blue lava would have looked like boiling blueberry sauce
 <Gabumon> 
I think I might have disliked the snow kingdom more than the luncheon kingdom
 
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 <GBAToad> 
oh god
 <mcd> 
oh no
 <smasher> 
oh no
 <Lord_Bowser> 
oh no
 <Lakituthequick> 
rip
 <smasher> 
were all gonna die
 <Gamefreak75> 
rip anton
 <Gamefreak75> 
meeting cancelled
 <GBAToad> 
anarchy
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
rip
 <turb> 
fuck
 <Stargazing> 
oh f
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
turb
 <turb> 
ok
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
you are in charge
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
what wil you do
 <Shoey> 
Snow kingdom had a great minigame
 <Shoey> 
but that was really it
 <GBAToad> 
remove pasta
 <smasher> 
turb save us
 
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 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
anarchy over
 <Lakituthequick> 
gasp
 <GBAToad> 
he has risen
 <NEXandGBX> 
<Nyrie> Help
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
we can put out ht efires
 <Lord_Bowser> 
no it did not shoey how dare you
 <smasher> 
nevermind hes back
 <turb> 
nvm I didn't copy stuff fast enough
 <Gamefreak75> 
i hated the final race in snow kingdom
 <smasher> 
turb is fired
 <mcd> 
wow can't believe we removed all the awards
 <mcd> 
oh
 <mcd> 
fuck
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i'm back
 <GBAToad> 
snow kingdom had penguins that FLEW
 <Gabumon> 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWaLHbBU0AAi9cB.jpg:large
 <Shoey> 
also I can't believe we just compromised of 1850'd that last award
 <GBAToad> 
that is enough for me to hate it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
volbonan assassins tried to take me out
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
are they dead
 <smasher> 
delete volbonans
 <Shoey> 
lb I don't understand the snow minigame hate
 <Shoey> 
maybe it's because i didn't do it on the hardest difficulty
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
anyways if it didn't go through
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Lakituthequick: Special 8-3 (SM3DL) is also removed
 <turb> 
good picture edo
 <Gabumon> 
heres the thing about the bounding race
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and next up is
 <Gamefreak75> 
that race took me 2 hours
 <Gamefreak75> 
no joke
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
F4 Worst RPG Area (Bowser's Keep (SMRPG), Tubba Blubba's Castle (PM), Dry Dry Desert (PM), Flower Fields (PM), Twilight Trail (PM:TTYD), Merlee's Mansion (SPM), Sammer's Kingdom (SPM), The Overthere (SPM), Long Fall Falls (PM:SS), Sandshifter Ruins (PM:SS), Drybake Stadium (PM:SS), Teehee Valley (M&L:SS), Joke's End (M&L:SS), Oho Ocean (M&L:SS),
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Shroob Castle (M&L:PiT), Toad Town (M&L:PiT), Dreamy Mount Pajamaja (M&L:DT), Violet Passage (PM:CS))
 <mcd> 
did you win
 <Gabumon> 
it took me like an annoying number of tries to do it
 <Gamefreak75> 
im fucking shit at that minigame
 <Lakituthequick> 
16) Flower Fields (PM) — 54 — 3.05%
 <Lakituthequick> 
17) Violet Passage (PM:CS) — 52 — 2.94%
 <Lakituthequick> 
18) Tubba Blubba's Castle (PM) — 47 — 2.66%
 <Lakituthequick> 
19) O. Boggly Tree (PM:TTYD) — 4 — 0.23%
 <Lakituthequick> 
20) O. Boggly Woods (PM:TTYD) — 3 — 0.17%
 <Lakituthequick> 
20) O. Doop Doop Dunes (M&L:PJ) — 3 — 0.17%
 <Lakituthequick> 
20) O. Dreamy Somnom Woods (M&L:DT) — 3 — 0.17%
 <Lakituthequick> 
20) O. World of Nothing (SPM) — 3 — 0.17%
 <GBAToad> 
does rabbids count as an rpg
 <Gabumon> 
and when I finally did it, I had no idea how
 <GBAToad> 
im behind 1200 meetings
 <mcd> 
i think we said rabbids levels would come under this yeah
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I don't see adding any write-ins but Rabbids qualifies for this
 <mcd> 
or anton did idk
 <Gabumon> 
I just beat it through dumb luck
 <Gamefreak75> 
add the final rabbids level
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
so if anyone played it and hated something let us know
 <Gamefreak75> 
w/e that is
 <smasher> 
are terrible rabbids levels
 <GBAToad> 
well i dont think i need to comment since i havent played rabbids but
 <mcd> 
yeah 47 - 4 is a huge gap
 <smasher> 
are there
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
no write-in swaps
 <GBAToad> 
blof was the resident rabbids player i think
 <GBAToad> 
and shes not here
 <smasher> 
all the nominees did reasonably well
 <Shoey> 
I played rabbids
 <GBAToad> 
shoey save us
 <Gabumon> 
3 people voted world of nothing
 <Shoey> 
but Idon't really remember hating any levels
 <Gabumon> 
I actually liked that place
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
there's the setup, and...
 <Shoey> 
give me a minute i'll look over the levels to jog my memory
 <GBAToad> 
maybe its because it had nothing they could fanshit about
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
BAM! he knocks it right out of the park
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
"World 4-9 (Bowser's Castle) (M+R:KB)" ??
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
also i liked the world of nothing for the aesthetic contrast
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Mr. Krabs
 <Shoey> 
I think spooky trials was the worst area and took my forever
 <Gamefreak75> 
you fight brobot l type there though
 <Gamefreak75> 
good boss fight
 <smasher> 
are you feeling it now mr krab
 <smasher> 
s
 <GBAToad> 
art thou feeling it now, mr krabs
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
http://www.ign.com/wikis/mario-rabbids-kingdom-battle/World_4-9_-_Bowser%27s_Castle
 <Shoey> 
if we wanted to add a rabbids level
 <NEXandGBX> 
world of nothing was good foreshadowing to the next game
 <turb> 
world of nothing was good aesthetically because it didn't have the spm artstyle in it
 <GBAToad> 
LuL
 <GBAToad> 
@ nex
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll need an exact name for nominees because i didn't play this and have no idea
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
so what you're saying is
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
we didn't stop the void and thusall intereting stuff was devoured
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
bad end
 <Shoey> 
I kind of hated the entire area anton
 <smasher> 
game over
 <Shoey> 
Spooky trials that is
 <Gamefreak75> 
i think just world 4 in general
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
in rabbids?
 <Shoey> 
I kept getting lost and the levels seemed like they took forever
 <Shoey> 
yeah anton
 <Shoey> 
sorry
 <Gamefreak75> 
for rabbid
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
http://www.ign.com/wikis/mario-rabbids-kingdom-battle/World_3_-_Spooky_Trails
 <turb> 
would rabbids get a lot of votes
 <turb> 
in general
 <turb> 
if we were to put it on
 <__2257> 
i dunno
 <GBAToad> 
idk man
 <Shoey> 
maybe? it sold pretty well I hear
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
no clue
 <__2257> 
it seemed to be surprisingly well received
 <smasher> 
i dont know
 <GBAToad> 
we abbreviate the shit out of stuff so its not like it would get the rabbid hate vote
 <__2257> 
id put one on just to test it
 <GBAToad> 
and yeah per 22
 
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 <Shoey> 
you wanna chop the lowest vote getter for something
 <turb> 
oh yeah i mean, im not opposed to a test addition
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we'd have to since it's at 18
 <turb> 
and whoever voted tubba blubba's castle needs to be deleted
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but what to add
 <turb> 
even with the hallway in mind
 <mcd> 
are we cutting tubba blubba again
 <mcd> 
jesus poor guy
 <GBAToad> 
you're tearing out his heart guys
 <Meta_Knight> 
what award is htis
 <smasher> 
tubba blubbas bad day
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
it's ok
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
he won't mind
 <Stargazing> 
f4
 <smasher> 
worst rpg level
 <GBAToad> 
alt+f4
 <Shoey> 
my votes for the entierty of spooky trials
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
World 3 - Spooky Trails
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
World 4 - Lave Pit
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
lava*
 <__2257> 
wouldnt tubba blubba be happy about being removed from a faila ward
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we don't need to get any more specific, do we
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
all publicity is good publicity
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
http://www.ign.com/wikis/mario-rabbids-kingdom-battle/World_4_-_Lava_Pit
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
http://www.ign.com/wikis/mario-rabbids-kingdom-battle/World_3_-_Spooky_Trails
 <Meta_Knight> 
i havent played rabbids but wouldnt be opposed to adding things for representation
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
we need to figure out what specifically
 <GBAToad> 
i mean like
 <GBAToad> 
yeah
 <mcd> 
yeah its just come out so itd be good to have it up there
 <GBAToad> 
theres 10 different levels here
 <turb> 
yeah
 <turb> 
like i have no idea what to suggest
 <Gamefreak75> 
ill go with w/e shoey picks
 <turb> 
if shoey can narrow down a level I'd be fine wit hthat
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
does it go against definition to list the entire world
 <Shoey> 
I can't
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
or do we need to pick a specific level that sucked ass
 <mcd> 
we could alternately wait and see what gets the most write-ins this year
 <Shoey> 
the levels all blend together
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I guess that "or" statement as two same options
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but you get my point
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
has*
 <Shoey> 
like they aren't traditional levels
 <turb> 
i dunno,
 <GBAToad> 
yeah the levels all flow together in progression but theres actual differences in the stages
 <Gabumon> 
idk if that would work mcd
 <turb> 
merlee's mansion was like 3 levels
 <Shoey> 
it's more like missions then levels
 <turb> 
so i think we could list the whole area
 <Gabumon> 
people might not realize rabbid levels are an option to write in
 <GBAToad> 
or per turb
 <__2257> 
yeah tehcnically this award wasnt about levels was it
 <turb> 
i honestly didnt realize that myself until i double looked at the award
 <GBAToad> 
yeah this is worst area
 <GBAToad> 
fuc
 <mcd> 
hmm yeah
 <__2257> 
otherwise we wouldnt even HAVE things like tubba blubbas castle
 <GBAToad> 
yeah ok
 <turb> 
so if we want to just slap spooky trails on we can
 <__2257> 
since there are no levels in that game
 <GBAToad> 
spooky trials
 <GBAToad> 
im a dumb
 <mcd> 
i feel worlds themselves would be more recognisable than single levels
 <GBAToad> 
yeah
 <GBAToad> 
lets just add spooky trials then
 <turb> 
i mean it also adds precedent
 <turb> 
people can vote for lava pit if they don't hate spooky trails enough
 <turb> 
instead of specifically one level from rabbids
 <GBAToad> 
wait
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Tubba Blubba's Castle (PM)" with "World 3 - Spooky Trails (M+R:KB)"? (y/n/a)
 <GBAToad> 
doesnt this area have phantom of the bwahpera
 <GBAToad> 
i thought people liked him
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Lakituthequick> 
a
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
this abbreviation triggers me
 <Shoey> 
I didn't gba
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but y
 <Shoey> 
y
 <__2257> 
i think they liked the music
 <GBAToad> 
a
 <__2257> 
not the boss
 <mcd> 
y
 <__2257> 
also y
 <GBAToad> 
since i never played it
 <turb> 
y
 <GBAToad> 
also yeah good point 22
 <smasher> 
are you feeling it now mr krabs
 <smasher> 
a
 <Lord_Bowser> 
a
 <Shoey> 
he was a pain in the ass
 <mcd> 
ive never played it but think we should have a nominee from it so this seems like the best option
 <Shoey> 
as apparently the only person whose played this game
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
a
 <Stargazing> 
a
 <GBAToad> 
switch to y
 <Shoey> 
my word is gospel :P
 <smasher> 
7-0-5
 <GBAToad> 
🙌
 <mcd> 
i dont have a switch so i have an excuse
 <smasher> 
i played it for half an hour
 <mcd> 
the REST of you...
 <Gamefreak75> 
y
 <Stargazing> 
i have $4, mcd
 <smasher> 
i was going to start trying to beat it but now i have something else
 <smasher> 
8-0-5
 <smasher> 
switch to y since ive been convinced we should have something for this
 <mcd> 
thats nearly enough
 <smasher> 
9-0-4
 <__2257> 
i watched half an lp of it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Violet Passage (PM:CS)" with "World 4 - Lava Pit (M+R:KB)"? (y/n/a)
 <smasher> 
a
 <Shoey> 
n
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
this is the only Color Splash we've got on here
 <__2257> 
do i count as at least a prophet
 <Gamefreak75> 
n
 <Lakituthequick> 
a
 <Stargazing> 
a
 <mcd> 
a
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but it also placed super low
 <__2257> 
n
 <Shoey> 
lava pit has a waluigi rabbid
 <Shoey> 
and violet passage was cance
 <Shoey> 
r
 <Gamefreak75> 
violet passage is trash
 <turb> 
n
 <GBAToad> 
a
 <Gabumon> 
n
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
a
 <Meta_Knight> 
i havent played either but im gonna say n because color splash should have /somethin/
 <GBAToad> 
annaaannana
 <GBAToad> 
wow
 <turb> 
b
 <Gabumon> 
oooooh, anana
 <smasher> 
n
 <GBAToad> 
bannaaannana
 <Stargazing> 
there's another rpg game now that has nothing iirc
 <turb> 
how do i delete posts on irc
 <smasher> 
color splash should just keep something
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8
 <Stargazing> 
i think it was bis
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
any other considerations for this award?
 <smasher> 
we already have the needed rabbids level
 <mcd> 
i need to go to bed, goodnight
 
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 <__2257> 
ananas is a good fruit
 <Stargazing> 
so i don't think that should define anything, just having colour splash need to have one
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i got none
 <Stargazing> 
since another game is completely off the block too
 <Gamefreak75> 
pineapple
 <GBAToad> 
when you smash but he didnt eat annaaannanas
 <smasher> 
0-6-4
 <Stargazing> 
but if violet passage was bad anyways then whatever lol
 <smasher> 
i actually forgot i abstained at first lol
 <Shoey> 
oh star it was the worst
 <GBAToad> 
also evidence BiS is untouchable beauty
 <Stargazing> 
oh thank god i thought i was muted
 <GBAToad> 
now to wait for the remake that fucks it all up
 <GBAToad> 
and replaces everything with toads
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
moving on
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
F5 Worst Level Concept (Ice Levels, Water Levels, Autoscrolling Levels, Ghost Houses, Rolling Ball Galaxies, Purple Coin Levels, “Secret of _” Levels (SMS), Red Coin Missions (SMS), Surfing Galaxies, Automatic Levels (SMM), Restrictively Low Timers)
 <NEXandGBX> 
toad & toad: toad's inside story
 <smasher> 
toad & toad:toads inside story
 <smasher> 
fuck you nex
 <Lakituthequick> 
9) Ghost Houses — 85 — 3.85%
 <Lakituthequick> 
10) Ice Levels — 79 — 3.57%
 <Lakituthequick> 
11) Red Coin Missions (SMS) — 72 — 3.26%
 <Lakituthequick> 
12) O. Troll Levels (SMM) — 4 — 0.18%
 <Lakituthequick> 
13) O. 100 Coin Missions (SMS) — 2 — 0.09%
 <Lakituthequick> 
13) O. Cosmic Clone Comets — 2 — 0.09%
 <Lakituthequick> 
13) O. Kaizo Levels (SMM) — 2 — 0.09%
 <Lakituthequick> 
13) O. Opening Door (Hotel Mario) — 2 — 0.09%
 <GBAToad> 
i had a thing for this but i forgot what i was going to say
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
capturing was pretty neat, my only complaint about it would fit more into Missed Opportunity
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
were there any concepts in odyssey that were really bad
 
GBAToad sits down in a slump
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
level-wise
 <smasher> 
dont delete anything at least
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
being that they advertised the hell out of capturing new donkers but it ended up only being for one single shitty minigame
 <GBAToad> 
boss rushes
 <smasher> 
i cant think of an addition tbh
 <Gamefreak75> 
pepto bismol lava
 <Shoey> 
what the hell are troll levels
 <NEXandGBX> 
skip
 <GBAToad> 
oh wait uh
 <GBAToad> 
jumpropes
 <Shoey> 
I agree anton
 <Shoey> 
I wanted to be a new donker
 <GBAToad> 
its weird though
 <Shoey> 
and a taxi
 <smasher> 
jump ropes for worst concept
 <GBAToad> 
i cant really say thats a level concept
 <Shoey> 
I wanted to give up my mortal life
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I have that in another award gba
 <Shoey> 
and become a taxi
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
*F12 Worst Game Objective
 <GBAToad> 
yeah so dw about it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
-Add “Beach Volleyball (SMO)” and “Jump-Rope Challenge (SMO)”
 <Gabumon> 
I think we have an award that would fit jumprope
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
in my notes
 <Gabumon> 
yeah that
 <NEXandGBX> 
jump rope > actual garbage > beach volleyball
 <Meta_Knight> 
"Oversaturation of trash minigames (SMO)"
 <GBAToad> 
there really isnt a thing in odyssey that counts as a "level" by what we're using here
 <Shoey> 
y
 <smasher> 
yeah lets add those in another award
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
well
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
if there's any particular themes that are realyl bad
 <GBAToad> 
boss rushes aside
 <turb> 
yeah id say minigames would be better in objectives
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
like, say
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
the food one :V
 <GBAToad> 
you know whats odd
 <Gabumon> 
oh oh oh
 <Gabumon> 
checkpoint starvation levels
 <GBAToad> 
oh wait nvm im dumb
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it'd be hard to fit luncheon in here as a wording because like
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i love food levels
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
that's a pretty good one edo
 <GBAToad> 
gabumon that was all of SMM pre checkpoint patch LuL
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
it was just such a shitty one
 <smasher> 
oh i like edos
 <GBAToad> 
so it applies outside of odyssey i guess?
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
is that the name we're going with for this
 <Gabumon> 
maybe rename it to something like "no checkpoint challenges"
 <GBAToad> 
yeah
 <Gamefreak75> 
yeah
 <GBAToad> 
im tempted to offer Boss Rushes as well but
 <smasher> 
i like that
 <GBAToad> 
aside from galaxy and odyssey where else do they appear
 <smasher> 
@edos
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i'd say no on boss rushes because
 <Gabumon> 
dark side had a boss rush
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
i think boss rushes are pretty good in concept
 <Gabumon> 
nevermind
 <GBAToad> 
see like
 <Gabumon> 
I am blind
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I also really hated all of those sidequest levels for moons where you had to grab one of those rocket flowers and do a perfect run in a shitty narrow hazard-filled path where if you make the slightest mistake you lose coins that you were hoarding for costumes
 <GBAToad> 
boss rushes can be good but they can also be really bad
 <__2257> 
3d land, 3d world
 <GBAToad> 
shovel knight is an example of a good boss rush
 <__2257> 
also had such levels
 <turb> 
those were bad because the controls for rocket flowers sucked
 <smasher> 
i dont love boss rushes but i dont know if we should add it or not
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok well there's only a few minutes left so
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
do you guys want to cram in a vote for the checkpoint thing now
 <turb> 
sure
 <smasher> 
yeah
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
or use the upcoming week to come up with a bunch of things we all hated
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
since we'll have to come back to this award anyways next week
 <Stargazing> 
lets do this next week, i feel
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
there's only 11 nominees so there's plenty of room
 <NEXandGBX> 
might as well get it out of the way now if no one objects
 <Gabumon> 
id prefer a vote now
 <Stargazing> 
oh ah wait
 <smasher> 
idd rather get this one done now
 <turb> 
id rather get it out of the way right now and then if we're revisiting this award we can do that stuff then
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
this vote now pls
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
and - yeah
 <smasher> 
and then we can add anything else next week
 <Stargazing> 
checkpoint thing now but it's pointless to come up with other topics immediately
 <Stargazing> 
sorry i misread a bit
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "No Checkpoint Challenges (SMO)" to F5? (y/n/a)
 <Gabumon> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
i'm still a little _ on the wording but I also can't think of literally anything else that works
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
language is hard
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
y
 <smasher> 
y
 <turb> 
y
 <NEXandGBX> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
y
 <__2257> 
y
 <smasher> 
5-0-0
 <turb> 
checkpoint-less?
 <smasher> 
7-0-0
 <GBAToad> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
but wait
 <smasher> 
8-0-0
 <Gabumon> 
Checkpoint-less Challenges?
 <Shoey> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
why are we specifying SMO only/
 <Meta_Knight> 
y
 <smasher> 
9-0-0
 <Lakituthequick> 
things withoit checkpoints also happen in other games sthough
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
like
 <turb> 
yeah what edo said
 <Stargazing> 
y
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
because we were talking about SMO
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
can't we use this to cover the ones from smg2, sm3dl- ok
 <Gabumon> 
it doesnt need the game specification
 <smasher> 
11-0-0 help
 <Lakituthequick> 
were we
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
ok
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
yeah
 <smasher> 
i dont think it needs the specification
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I just assumed that since we were brainstorming SMO things that this was SMO
 <Stargazing> 
well they suck everywhere else too, tbh
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
it works better if it's just all no checkpoint challenges in general
 <Lakituthequick> 
y
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
and fits the award better imo
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but I'm cool with just "Checkpoint-less Challenges"
 <Stargazing> 
yeah, same
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
me too
 <NEXandGBX> 
per
 <smasher> 
yeah thats fine
 <Lord_Bowser> 
per
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
google says we don't need the hyphen so I'm removing it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but otherwise this is added as a nominee
 <Gabumon> 
these meetings dont have checkpoints either btw
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
and with that, our time is up! next week we'll resume Fail Awards with finishing F5 and onwards
 <Gabumon> 
so I hope everyone will be back next week to discuss M1
 <GBAToad> 
shit i died
 <GBAToad> 
someone placed a thwomp at the end of the level right before the flag
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
I don't think there's anything for me to dump onto the forum this week so you all luck out
 <GBAToad> 
phew
 <NEXandGBX> 
:clap:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
maybe some basic Community Award things can go up since that's up next and potentially could get started on next meeting
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
such as pooling ideas for Favorite Presentation
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
me and mk will work on community awards shroom part
 <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 
also :clap:
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
but if I dig something up as homework for everyone I'll be sure to scream about it
 <Anton{Politoed}> 
otherwise
 <smasher> 
ill prepare my ears
 
Anton{Politoed} grabs 22's leg and slams a bell with it