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<Anton{Politoed}>
hi we're here :clap:
<Baby_Luigi>
I'm here
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
are we really here
<Baby_Luigi>
Ready for some fun?
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
are we really anywhere
<Anton{Politoed}>
welcome to a fun-packed evening where nothing complicated is planned
<Anton{Politoed}>
our schedule for the night is
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Continue Fail Awards
<Gabumon>
I am kobold, please insert peridot
<Stargazing>
yo yo
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<Anton{Politoed}>
*If we get to it, either start Community Awards or end the meeting early
<smasher>
hi
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
me and mk will be ready 4 community
<Meta_Knight>
yeah
Gabumon pockets diamond
<Gabumon>
congratulations! You just lost a lot of money
<Meta_Knight>
apologies i havent said anything in the shroom staff board but i have notes for them
<Anton{Politoed}>
was there anything for Community Awards I should've been made aware of before this meeting
<Meta_Knight>
not really
<Lakituthequick>
:clap:
<Meta_Knight>
its really just "heres what we should add/remove"
<Meta_Knight>
and further action can be done if necessary
<Meta_Knight>
like if anyone wants to add something else
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
pretty much
<Anton{Politoed}>
F5 Worst Level Concept (Ice Levels, Water Levels, Autoscrolling Levels, Ghost Houses, Rolling Ball Galaxies, Purple Coin Levels, “Secret of _” Levels (SMS), Red Coin Missions (SMS), Surfing Galaxies, Automatic Levels (SMM), Restrictively Low Timers, Checkpointless Challenges)
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
there's no real changes planned this year, we're just gonna update nominees
<Anton{Politoed}>
last meeting we added "Checkpointless Challenges"
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
unless the ac decides
<Anton{Politoed}>
but never completely tied this one up
<GBAToad>
i am here
<Anton{Politoed}>
so if there's any more ideas to add to F5 Worst Level Concept, here we are
<Baby_Luigi>
I agree with how horrible checkpointless challenges are
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i got none
<Stargazing>
i don't have any
<Baby_Luigi>
Any Forced Minigames like those in the Mario RPGs?
<GBAToad>
we decided odyssey objectives dont count as level concepts yeah
<Lord_Bowser>
i think this is fine as is
<smasher>
i dont have a uggestion
<Anton{Politoed}>
if you mean the jumprope then yeah those will fit into a later award
<Stargazing>
i also (finally) got odyssey so i can weigh in on those subjects
<Baby_Luigi>
I don't know how to label those minigames as in the Mario RPGs
<smasher>
i also dont have a suggestion
<Icemario>
I think that's a good selection but I didn't have anything anyway
<Baby_Luigi>
Like those in Bowser's Inside Story or that terrible spaceship fight in Partners in Time
<Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.mariowiki.com/Minigame#Super_Mario_RPG:_Legend_of_the_Seven_Stars_minigames ?
<Icemario>
impromptu minigames???
<__2257>
ss had a lot of annoying minigames i thought
<GBAToad>
reminds me of the wario land 3 golf minigame
<Icemario>
those are rather awkward to collectively describe
<__2257>
mario rpg didnt really
<GBAToad>
which sucks
<__2257>
although i t had a few
<Gabumon>
I think those would fit better in worst whatever
<Gabumon>
whatsitcalled
<Gabumon>
objective?
<__2257>
like the fucking boshi race
<__2257>
die boshi
<GBAToad>
worst whatever whatsitcalled
<Gabumon>
yeah, that
<mcd>
yeah the other nominees for this are pretty much all covering entire levels in the platformers
<Anton{Politoed}>
we can pocket it for then, then
<Gabumon>
the one that used to be called worst quest or something
<Anton{Politoed}>
is there anything else out of SMO that anyone explicitly hated
<Anton{Politoed}>
I can't think of anything that wouldn't be a better fit elsewhere
<Anton{Politoed}>
so I'm fine with moving on
<Gabumon>
I hated that there was no suit of armor costume
<Gabumon>
but then they fixed that
<Baby_Luigi>
"Ground pound garbage to get Power Moon" is just...nah
<__2257>
having to collect 9999 coins to get th eonly good costume
<Gabumon>
but 2257, the suit of armor doesnt cost 9999 coins
<GBAToad>
cappyless challenges arent Bad per se
<Baby_Luigi>
People made jokes about that but I don't think it's on the same level as water levels or whatever
<GBAToad>
just difficult
<__2257>
the suit of armor wasnt even in the game at first
<Anton{Politoed}>
F6 Worst Spin-off (Dr. Mario 64, Mario Pinball Land, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Party 9, Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Party Advance, Mario Party 10, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Mario Kart Arcade GP Games, Super Mario Run, Game & Wario)
<Gamefreak75>
weird, the waluigi costume didnt cost 9999 coins
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<Meta_Knight>
add mario and rabbids
<Lord_Bowser>
!skip
<Meta_Knight>
but im joking
<Lord_Bowser>
nah
<Baby_Luigi>
Well the Waluigi costume is worthless
<GBAToad>
we added rabbids to best didnt we
<Anton{Politoed}>
ltq died
<NEXandGBX>
m+r wasn't hated enough and i doubt tennis aces will be either
<Baby_Luigi>
the description even said so
<Anton{Politoed}>
let me get the thing
<Lord_Bowser>
mario and rabbids was well-received
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
rabbids is actually pretty well-liked
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so yeah it's definitely not a good fit here
<Baby_Luigi>
Mario Tennis Aces comes out far too early tbh
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
skip imo
<Anton{Politoed}>
11) Mario Kart: Super Circuit — 53 — 2.39%
<Anton{Politoed}>
12) Mario Super Sluggers — 31 — 1.40%
<Anton{Politoed}>
13) O. Hotel Mario — 26 — 1.17%
<Baby_Luigi>
Why is Mario Super Sluggers even on the list anyway
<Anton{Politoed}>
14) O. Mario Party 8 — 7 — 0.32%
<Baby_Luigi>
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<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
>hotel mario
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
ha ha no
<GBAToad>
because australians didnt get it
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<NEXandGBX>
would including hotel mario even be fair
<Baby_Luigi>
I guess that counts
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
no imo
<Baby_Luigi>
No
<Stargazing>
it wouldn't
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
it's the same reason we took it off worst game
<Anton{Politoed}>
the thing to note with Hotel Mario being this high is that unless an overwhelming majority of the AC forces my hand to include it as a formal nominee it will be cast into the put
<Lakituthequick>
IRC reset for some unknown reason
<Baby_Luigi>
Same reason Mario is Missing is off the list
<Lakituthequick>
what did I miss
<Stargazing>
it would crush everything except sticker star for the memes
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
everyone hates on it for memes
<GBAToad>
we finished the awards ltq
<Lakituthequick>
last message: [Sun 02:08:41] __2257 the suit of armor wasnt even in the game at first
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
with almost nobody actually taking anything into account about it
<GBAToad>
all 4 months of them
<Anton{Politoed}>
too many people vote for it strictly because of the Youtube Poop videos and as such it biases each award it's in
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
^
<Baby_Luigi>
Mario's Time Machine
<NEXandGBX>
in that case i'd say skip
<Anton{Politoed}>
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<Baby_Luigi>
And the edutainment Mario titles :P
<NEXandGBX>
since mp8 doesn't have enough votes to justify putting it in over sluggers
<Baby_Luigi>
Sluggers feels random to me imo
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's only 12 nominees so a new one doesn't have to be put in over anything
<Baby_Luigi>
Mario Party 8, I understand but idk about that, maybe it's a lot of angry Europeans
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
why did sluggers get on the award in the first place, anyway?
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
like i honestly don't recall
<Anton{Politoed}>
probably a high-ranking write-in
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
also: being told to run an errand, will be back in like 15 minutes
<Gabumon>
isnt baseball like, super boring
<GBAToad>
quick lets do all the awards before perch gets back
<Baby_Luigi>
No
<Gabumon>
maybe its so boring, not even mario can make it fun
<Baby_Luigi>
It's not boring
<Meta_Knight>
mario sluggers is great
<Anton{Politoed}>
if we're really curious I can go dig up why
<Baby_Luigi>
Angry Europeans and Australians
<Icemario>
the wii was region-locked wasn't it
<Baby_Luigi>
Yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
nvm too much work
<Anton{Politoed}>
anyways I don't feel incredibly passionate about removing it unless anyone else does
<GBAToad>
neither
<Baby_Luigi>
Don't think there's much to gain from it
<smasher>
i didnt like super sluggers
<Gabumon>
dont see the need
<Lord_Bowser>
eh no need
<Anton{Politoed}>
is there anything anyone really wants to add
<smasher>
found it really boring
<Gabumon>
12 nominees, its not gonna damage anything by being there
<smasher>
i dont think we need to add anything here
<Baby_Luigi>
I like team-buidling and stuff and especially Toy Field and the minigames
<GBAToad>
cant wait for mario sorority girls beach volleyball
<Gabumon>
maybe if we had like 3 - 4 new entries that absolutely had to be on there
<Anton{Politoed}>
F7 Worst Enemy (Lakitus, Big Berthas, Wizzerds, Bandits, Rocky Wrenches, Bloopers, Cursyas, Goombas, Hammer Bros., Parabones, Fangs, Grinders (YI)/Ukikis, Fuzzies)
<Lakituthequick>
11) Parabones — 66 — 3.24%
<Lakituthequick>
12) Goombas — 52 — 2.55%
<Lakituthequick>
13) Fangs — 31 — 1.52%
<Lakituthequick>
14) O. Bowser — 4 — 0.20%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Boos — 3 — 0.15%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Chain Chomps — 3 — 0.15%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Cheep Chomps — 3 — 0.15%
<Anton{Politoed}>
from SMO I've grabbed:
<Gabumon>
why goombas
<Anton{Politoed}>
-Add “Moonsnakes”, “Burrbos”, and “Urban Stingbies”
<Gamefreak75>
those urchin things from smo
<Gamefreak75>
i hate those
<Gabumon>
yes
<Baby_Luigi>
No Porcupuffer?
<Anton{Politoed}>
those are burrbos
<Icemario>
perhaps some people think goombas are bad enemies because they're too easy to defeat
<GBAToad>
mario odyssey is on some next level enemy naming
<smasher>
im good with adding those
<Gabumon>
but thats the point
<Icemario>
why was goombas put up there, though
<__2257>
remove hammer bros who is unfairly being slandered
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<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other considerations for new nominees before I roll through votes for my 3 suggestions
<Baby_Luigi>
I don't know why Moonsnakes are hated
<__2257>
also burrbo is a dumb name tbh because its just a literal translation of the japanese name that somehow managed to miss the fact that it was a reference to the name of goomba
<smasher>
no, i dont think any of the writeins did well enough to be considered this year
<Stargazing>
why is bowser the top writein
<Baby_Luigi>
He's not even an "enemy" by the definition of this poll
<smasher>
voters are weird
<Anton{Politoed}>
I hated the moonsnakes because they were a pretty flimsy character designs and were also frustrating to have to deal with
<Anton{Politoed}>
annoying enemies could at least look cool but these sucked
<Gabumon>
whats a moonsnake again
<__2257>
moonsnakes are the mace things?
<Baby_Luigi>
Rocky Firebars
<Anton{Politoed}>
the spinny rock things
<Gabumon>
those are alive?
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah
<Icemario>
super mario maker does let you place bowsers around almost like he's a common enemy though
<Baby_Luigi>
<Baby_Luigi>
Doesn't look alive to me
<Anton{Politoed}>
they're considered an enemy
<__2257>
the tourist broochure thing for the moon implies it
<Lord_Bowser>
^
<Anton{Politoed}>
"A form of life originating from the Moon, resembling a bar of spiked balls rotating around an axis. While in general fixed to one spot, some Moonsnakes can move on predetermined paths. They are indestructible. "
<__2257>
it says they evolved from the ones in beachland or something
<Anton{Politoed}>
anyways gonna run through these 3
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Burrbos" to F7 Worst Enemy? (y/n/a)
<Anton{Politoed}>
y
<Gabumon>
y
<__2257>
y
<Baby_Luigi>
y
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<GBAToad>
y
<smasher>
y
<NEXandGBX>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Baby_Luigi>
They respawn so they suck
<NEXandGBX>
fuck burrbos
<smasher>
9-0-0
<Stargazing>
a
<smasher>
9-0-1
<Stargazing>
i don't know what they are lol????
<Gabumon>
sounds painful
<Lakituthequick>
all enemies respawn so that's not the best point
<Stargazing>
i have to a on all of these i think i'm too early in game
<Lord_Bowser>
the little troll enemies iirc
<Baby_Luigi>
I mean they spawn in droves
<Gabumon>
they respawn really quickly
<Lord_Bowser>
spiky ones
<Baby_Luigi>
Quickly and in droves
<__2257>
theyre just mario miniblins
<__2257>
horrible
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's added
<Gabumon>
also they killed my darker side run
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Moonsnakes" to F7 Worst Enemy? (y/n/a)
<GBAToad>
a
<Baby_Luigi>
n
<Gabumon>
a
<Anton{Politoed}>
y
<__2257>
n
<GBAToad>
ana checking in
<Lakituthequick>
a
<Lord_Bowser>
a
<mcd>
a
<NEXandGBX>
i never had many issues with moonsnakes i think
<Icemario>
a
<Baby_Luigi>
They're pretty much just rocky firebars
<Gamefreak75>
n
<Anton{Politoed}>
I just don't like that they're considered enemies and alive
<Anton{Politoed}>
I think it's dumb
<Anton{Politoed}>
just make them rocky firebars
<Gabumon>
the only instance of them being annoying that I distinctly recall is in the podoboo section of the darker side run
<Lord_Bowser>
actually theres an enemy i just remembered
<Lord_Bowser>
that i found kinda annoying as well
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
hi 'm back
<Lord_Bowser>
the living kelp things
<Anton{Politoed}>
anyways moonsnakes aren't added since it's leaning towards ambivalence/no
<Lord_Bowser>
idr what theyre called
<Gabumon>
oh, right
<Anton{Politoed}>
Komboos?
<Gabumon>
those are kinda like burrbos as well
<Lakituthequick>
Komboos, right
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah
<Lord_Bowser>
those
<Baby_Luigi>
<Lakituthequick>
Look like coat hangers and seaweed combined and stuff
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'll get to the next vote first
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Urban Stingbies" to F7 Worst Enemy? (y/n/a)
<Anton{Politoed}>
y
<GBAToad>
theyre only in like one or two things and idk i kinda like em
<GBAToad>
y
<Baby_Luigi>
y
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<Gabumon>
y
<__2257>
a
<Gamefreak75>
y
<smasher>
a moonsnakes
<Lakituthequick>
a
<Meta_Knight>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
those are the stupid fly things in New Donk City that have a nasty respawn rate and are just everywhere
<GBAToad>
yeah
<Baby_Luigi>
They're mosquitoes so
<Lord_Bowser>
tbf gba urban stingbies are also in like two things
<Baby_Luigi>
Every reason to hate them
<Anton{Politoed}>
the stingbies and stingby larvae are considered separate but
<Icemario>
a
<GBAToad>
but theyre flies and those are better designed seaweed monsters
<Anton{Politoed}>
for the purpose of this award it'll just be the stingby itself
<GBAToad>
the fact that we have an enemy with larvae in the name is enough tbqh
<GBAToad>
maggots be gone
<Anton{Politoed}>
this brings us to 15 now
<Anton{Politoed}>
but there's still room if wanted, so
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Komboos" to F7 Worst Enemy? (y/n/a)
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<GBAToad>
n
<Baby_Luigi>
a
<Lakituthequick>
y
<smasher>
am i alive
<__2257>
n
<Lord_Bowser>
yes smasher
<smasher>
good
<Gabumon>
torn between y and a
<smasher>
my phone was in hell for a second
<smasher>
a
<Gabumon>
gonna roll a die
<smasher>
2-2-2
<smasher>
rip
<Gabumon>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
i'm on the fence with this because they were irritating when they wouldn't become transparent in the camera angle and would block the screen
<Anton{Politoed}>
but they were ultimately forgettable and really easy to just ignore entirely
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
a
<NEXandGBX>
i guess n
<Gabumon>
change to a on grounds of general apathy
<smasher>
3-3-3
<Stargazing>
a
<Icemario>
a
<mcd>
a
<smasher>
2-3-5
<GBAToad>
/apathy/
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<smasher>
2-3-something
<Anton{Politoed}>
i'll say n and kill this
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other suggestions
<Gabumon>
a-pathy
<Gabumon>
let's add yoshi
<Icemario>
got 'em
<Baby_Luigi>
I'll support Yoshi
<Gabumon>
hes selfishly holding power moons hostage until you feed him enough
<Gabumon>
if that isnt chaotic evil, I don't know what is
<Baby_Luigi>
Not to mention he sounds like he's taking a shit every time he flutter jumps
<Anton{Politoed}>
we could add Mario if we took the perspective of the cute and handsome Bowser
<Icemario>
that sounds just like that shrine sprite house in super mario sunshine
<Lord_Bowser>
i support this
<Stargazing>
yes
<Gamefreak75>
add mario (species) y/n
<GBAToad>
y
<NEXandGBX>
y
<smasher>
y
<Gabumon>
q
<Anton{Politoed}>
y
<__2257>
can we remove hammer bros yet
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<Icemario>
w
<Anton{Politoed}>
unfortunately not until hammer bros. sinks on the charts, 22
<Anton{Politoed}>
we need to create propaganda to ensure this
<GBAToad>
per 22 i want him playable in mario party again fuc
<__2257>
im going to rig the polls this year to assassinate anyone who votes hammer bros
<Baby_Luigi>
we could have gotten hammer bro instead of spike in mario tennis
<Anton{Politoed}>
either way
<Icemario>
22 start a boot camp for combating hammer bros
<smasher>
hammer bro was my second favorite to play as in mp8
<GBAToad>
oh anton lets add the assassin from overwatcgh retribution
<Anton{Politoed}>
F8 Worst Mario Kart Course (Choco Mountain, Sky Garden, Shy Guy Beach, Rainbow Road (SNES), Yoshi Falls, Grumble Volcano, Sherbet Land (N64), Koopa Beach 2 (SNES), Banshee Boardwalk, Maka Wuhu, Rosalina's Ice World, Rainbow Road (Wii), Dolphin Shoals, Bone-Dry Dunes, Rainbow Road (N64))
<Icemario>
then people won't struggle with them and stop voting for them
<Lakituthequick>
13) Dolphin Shoals — 79 — 3.93%
<Lakituthequick>
14) Choco Mountain — 56 — 2.79%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Sky Garden — 54 — 2.69%
<Lakituthequick>
16) O. Baby Park — 25 — 1.24%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Figure-8 Circuit — 18 — 0.90%
<Lakituthequick>
18) O. Rainbow Road (Wii U) — 13 — 0.65%
<Anton{Politoed}>
I have in my notes:
<Anton{Politoed}>
-Add “Baby Park” and “Figure-8 Circuit”
<GBAToad>
haha remember when mk8d was sure to get dlc
<__2257>
i dunno how to combat hammer bros honestly
<Baby_Luigi>
Baby Park, you ever love that stage or you hate it
<Baby_Luigi>
I love it
<smasher>
i hate it :)
<__2257>
you should probably just surrender
<Gabumon>
well, definitely not while wearing armor
<Gamefreak75>
baby park is good in double dash
<Gamefreak75>
meh in mk8
<Baby_Luigi>
It's bad in DS
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other suggestions before I run through those two votes
<Icemario>
indeed: you don't win
<NEXandGBX>
can we add neo bowser on 200cc specifically
<Gamefreak75>
lack of bowser shells ruin it
<GBAToad>
it has pink gold baby peach
<Icemario>
I loved baby park in dobule dash
<Baby_Luigi>
No, Neo Bowser on 200cc is fun
<Icemario>
*double
<Baby_Luigi>
Baby Park in 200cc is also fun
<Baby_Luigi>
Everything in 200cc is fun
<Stargazing>
nbc on 200cc is pretty terrible, so is cheese land
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<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Baby Park" to F8 Worst Mario Kart Course? (y/n/a)
<Stargazing>
honestly, just add "any course on 200cc"
<Anton{Politoed}>
y
<Stargazing>
y
<GBAToad>
y
<Gabumon>
theres one curve I always fall off of in 200cc neo bowser city
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Baby_Luigi>
n
<__2257>
neo bowser city is an amazing course you cant do this to me
<Meta_Knight>
y
<Lord_Bowser>
a
<Gamefreak75>
y
<__2257>
a
<Gabumon>
a
<Lord_Bowser>
per 22
<Icemario>
n
<smasher>
y
<NEXandGBX>
i like baby park but i'll still say y
<Baby_Luigi>
I love Neo Bowser City on 200cc. But because I'm mostly Baby Luigi, turns aren't tough to do
<Lord_Bowser>
22 lets race on neo bowser city
<Anton{Politoed}>
before icemario is counted, reminder that only AC members get votes
<GBAToad>
LOL
<Baby_Luigi>
I know how to not fall off on Neo Bowser City in 200cc, and try playing that with only bananas as items
<Icemario>
oh did that change
<Stargazing>
oh no i just remembered
<smasher>
8-1-3
<Stargazing>
poor ice has been voting this entire time
<Stargazing>
DD:
<NEXandGBX>
i think it's still a half vote isn't it
<Icemario>
rip I didn't know
<Anton{Politoed}>
no
<smasher>
i havent been counting icemario
<Stargazing>
no
<Anton{Politoed}>
only ac members at all
<smasher>
im sorry sir
<NEXandGBX>
oh
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
y
<NEXandGBX>
rip
<Icemario>
well I don't think I altered anything either way so
<NEXandGBX>
(to's rage)
<smasher>
9-1-3
<Mariofan169>
I remembered it being half-votes last year but oh well
<Mariofan169>
rip equal rights
<mcd>
i like baby park but y
<GBAToad>
add ice mario to worst powerup
<Stargazing>
oh are we racing on neo bowser
<GBAToad>
this will be the decisive vote
<Toadbert>
gottem
<Stargazing>
lb 22 i want in when the meeting's over
<__2257>
if ur not careful w'll punish you by making your vote count for -1
<Anton{Politoed}>
it was like this last year as well
<Icemario>
what am I good for if I can't even half vote
<__2257>
even though that will actually give you more power
<Anton{Politoed}>
this is the 2nd year only AC members had a vote
<Anton{Politoed}>
either way baby park is added
<Mariofan169>
ice we're the moral support
<smasher>
10-1-3
<Icemario>
right
<Mariofan169>
cheerleaders, basically
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Figure-8 Circuit" to F8 Worst Mario Kart Course? (y/n/a)
<Anton{Politoed}>
y
<GBAToad>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Baby_Luigi>
y
<Lord_Bowser>
a
<Stargazing>
Y
<Meta_Knight>
y
<smasher>
equal right are dead
<smasher>
y
<Gabumon>
a
<__2257>
n
<Stargazing>
with all my soul
<NEXandGBX>
a
<GBAToad>
whens mission mode again
<Baby_Luigi>
The music is nice in Figure-8
<GBAToad>
mkds got that shit right
<Baby_Luigi>
But that's why we have Mario Circuit
<__2257>
dont see whats bad about figure 8 circuit other than that its boring
<__2257>
but
<Toadbert>
mk wii :F
<Icemario>
is there a particularly strong basis for adding figure-8 circuit
<Baby_Luigi>
That's the problem
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah actually per 22
<__2257>
the first track is always a really standard race course
<smasher>
7-1-3
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah, it got a bunch of write-in votes
<__2257>
so that new people can learn the game
<Baby_Luigi>
And it's unremarkable
<Stargazing>
i can't stand figure 8
<Mariofan169>
figure-8 circuit just screamed "starter track"
<Stargazing>
it's way too boring
<__2257>
so
<Baby_Luigi>
Mario Kart Stadium is actually good
<Stargazing>
like, way too much so
<GBAToad>
cant wait for DS Figure-8 Circuit in Mario Kart 9
<Lord_Bowser>
the same could be said for like all of smk
<GBAToad>
:thinking:
<Mariofan169>
yeah at least mk8's first course looked nice
<Anton{Politoed}>
either way it's added
<Baby_Luigi>
Again, just because it's a beginner track, doesn't mean it's bad. Mario Kart Stadium is good to race on.
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other suggestions for additions or removals from this?
<Baby_Luigi>
I also love Luigi Circuit from Double Dash
<Lakituthequick>
DS Figure-8 Circuit in MK9: now as a Möbius Loop for anti-grav
<GBAToad>
its bad for a beginner stadium
<Baby_Luigi>
And it has Mario Motors billboards and Goobmas and Piranha Plants
<Lord_Bowser>
what are the current nominees again
<__2257>
i also dont think figure 8 circuit was especiallt ugly :shrug:
<__2257>
it was just
<__2257>
what the ds could handle
<Baby_Luigi>
DS Rainbow Road
<Baby_Luigi>
Diddy Kong Racing tracks
<smasher>
i thought figure 8 circuit was thing
<Mariofan169>
it wasn't ugly, just
<Mariofan169>
bland
<Anton{Politoed}>
here's the doc
<smasher>
thing?fine
<Baby_Luigi>
^
<Anton{Politoed}>
<GBAToad>
the ds also made much better things in the same game 22
<Anton{Politoed}>
Worst Mario Kart Course (Choco Mountain, Sky Garden, Shy Guy Beach, Rainbow Road (SNES), Yoshi Falls, Grumble Volcano, Sherbet Land (N64), Koopa Beach 2 (SNES), Banshee Boardwalk, Maka Wuhu, Rosalina's Ice World, Rainbow Road (Wii), Dolphin Shoals, Bone-Dry Dunes, Rainbow Road (N64), Baby Park, Figure-8 Circuit)
<GBAToad>
i still like sky garden /shrug
<Icemario>
is that the new version
<smasher>
but it got a lot of write in so its fine to add
<Baby_Luigi>
Sky Garden is fun
<Mariofan169>
>maka wuhu
<Mariofan169>
wh
<Lord_Bowser>
i still like banshee boardwalk /shrug
<Baby_Luigi>
I hate Maka Wuhu
<turb>
well
<GBAToad>
its a shit course mariofan
<Baby_Luigi>
The glitch actually made it funner to race on
<turb>
this seems alright still honestly
<smasher>
sky garden is my favorite gba track
<__2257>
delete wuhu shit
<Mariofan169>
what's bad about it
<Anton{Politoed}>
aside from discussion on existing nominees and how much they suck
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other suggestions for additions or removals from this?
<Anton{Politoed}>
or can we move on
<smasher>
no
<turb>
I'm not sure there's anything uh, especially terrible outside of what was in the notes
<GBAToad>
yes
<Baby_Luigi>
Choco Island 2
<smasher>
move on
<turb>
also I overslept my alarm by 40 minutes I'm gonna die
<Baby_Luigi>
I hate that track
<Lakituthequick>
remove snes rainbow road
<Lord_Bowser>
i dont have anything
<Lakituthequick>
(no)
<Stargazing>
i think we should delete the wuhus
<Baby_Luigi>
I hate Choco Island 2 in Mario Kart DS
<Stargazing>
unless i'm screwing up the votes
<Anton{Politoed}>
Choco Island 2 has only 6 votes as a write-in
<Baby_Luigi>
The color scheme was like diarrhea and it was horrible to race on
<Icemario>
there's more than one wuhu?
<Baby_Luigi>
Yeah there was Wuhu Loop
<turb>
I think the wuhus should stay on, we'd be better off leaving this award alone past the additions I think
<Mariofan169>
there were 2 iirc
<Baby_Luigi>
It was the first track in Flower Cup
<Icemario>
I mean in the new list there
<Baby_Luigi>
There is
<GBAToad>
yes move on
<Lakituthequick>
there are two wuhu mountains named differenrly across regions and ther is a battle course
<Baby_Luigi>
Do we even have worse Mario Kart Battle Course?
<GBAToad>
we suggested it last year
<Lakituthequick>
no, but do we need one
<Anton{Politoed}>
we try to avoid mirrored awards
<Lakituthequick>
wuhu town is actually on favourite so
<GBAToad>
it was deemed unnecessary
<__2257>
i dont think its necessary
<Meta_Knight>
thiis award is ok
<GBAToad>
22,
<__2257>
battle course wasnt really an award i saw sticking around indefinitely when i proposed it anwyayw
<Baby_Luigi>
I like Wuhu Town better on 7 than 8]
<Anton{Politoed}>
F9 Worst Direction of Series (Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Paper Mario, amiibo-centric/focused games, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, New Super Mario Bros., Mario 3D games, WarioWare, Yoshi)
<GBAToad>
honey bee hive or whatever the fuck should die
<Lakituthequick>
6) Mario Tennis — 156 — 7.05%
<Lakituthequick>
6) New Super Mario Bros. — 156 — 7.05%
<Lakituthequick>
8) Yoshi — 41 — 1.85%
<Lakituthequick>
9) Mario 3D games — 26 — 1.17%
<Lakituthequick>
10) O. Educational games — 9 — 0.41%
<Lakituthequick>
11) O. Hotel Mario — 8 — 0.36%
<Lakituthequick>
12) O. Mario Golf — 4 — 0.18%
<Lakituthequick>
12) O. Mario Strikers — 4 — 0.18%
<Baby_Luigi>
I like Honey Bee Hive
<GBAToad>
mario tennis could be added but aces is coming out
<NEXandGBX>
tennis is already on it
<__2257>
tennis is there
<turb>
has there been anything that's been like "hey this game is really shit" recently
<Baby_Luigi>
What about the Mario & Luigi remakes?
<GBAToad>
oic
<Lord_Bowser>
actually blof has a point
<turb>
odyssey was good
<GBAToad>
the mario and luigi direction yeah
<__2257>
i still want "most unnecessary remake" to be its own award lol
<GBAToad>
i have to agree
<Anton{Politoed}>
how do we consider the remakes in this
<turb>
for worst series direction can we like
<GBAToad>
or per 22
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
well
<Anton{Politoed}>
there is F15 Most Disappointing Game, too
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
we used to have worst remake
<NEXandGBX>
we could just say the m&l series as a whole
<Anton{Politoed}>
which can absorb the remakes
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but we killed it years ago
<turb>
consider it a bad direction if they're only remaking games instead of making new ones
<Baby_Luigi>
But they have been
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
maybe like
<Icemario>
there's still only one M&L remake though
<GBAToad>
modern mario&luigi games
<Baby_Luigi>
their last project was Paper Jam which came out quite some time ago
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
*two
<turb>
there's two
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
anyhow
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
"Mario & Luigi focusing on remakes instead of new games?"
<GBAToad>
counts paper jam/dream team/ss remake etc
<Stargazing>
will bis be out by awards season
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
how's that
<GBAToad>
no
<Baby_Luigi>
No
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<GBAToad>
to star
<Icemario>
that's what I mean yes
<Stargazing>
ok
<NEXandGBX>
bis comes out 2019
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
alternatively if we go based on dream team and paper jam
<Gabumon>
I support a general addition of the m&l series
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
"Modern Mario & Luigi games"
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
which i'd be down for considering i feel the series lost its spark after bis
<Anton{Politoed}>
if we add it it's going to be as the entire series
<Anton{Politoed}>
not a portion of it
<turb>
^
<turb>
why would it be a portion
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
oh
<Icemario>
yeah that seems vaguely pre-emptive
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
...oh
<GBAToad>
well yeah worst direction implies the series took a turn
<turb>
in the first place though yeah
<Baby_Luigi>
Well I think it counts
<Icemario>
to add M&L series when the second remake isn't even out yet
<GBAToad>
warioware :/
<turb>
Like, this is worst direction, which is how it's going in a modern direction
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
because i'm like half asleep and i mentally mixed up "worst direction of series" and "missed opportunity"
<Baby_Luigi>
Because we know the Mario & Luigi series can do much better than pumping out annual games
<GBAToad>
i still love you
<turb>
thats why warioware is here yeah
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
that's my fault, sorry
<turb>
because of the direction they took it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
in terms fo how things are phrased, that is
<turb>
rather than because the games earlier were shit
<Stargazing>
oh yeah that should be a missed opportunity thing
<GBAToad>
no i thought someone added it because it was a wario land spinoff
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so yeah just mario & luigi
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but i support it
<Stargazing>
as much as i like the modern m&l releases, i'm in support of the addition
<Gabumon>
the remake nonsense isn't the only thing that bugs me, so I could see a general addition
<Baby_Luigi>
(I'm still angry over no Partners in Time remake)
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Mario & Luigi" to F9? (y/n/a)
<GBAToad>
remember when inflation vore was the theme of game 3
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
y
<Baby_Luigi>
y
<Lakituthequick>
a
<Gabumon>
y
<GBAToad>
y
<turb>
y
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
gbatoad don't forget the fat fetish moment
<__2257>
y
<Stargazing>
i feel like they wouldn't want the toads being strapped lifeless to trees to be resold
<Stargazing>
y
<Meta_Knight>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
rip psycho kamek
<smasher>
y
<Gabumon>
theres vore in all of the first 3 games
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's added
<smasher>
delete vore
<Stargazing>
edo now that you mention it you're right
<Baby_Luigi>
Never saw it that way because I'm not that
<Stargazing>
fuck i didn't want to think about it like that
<smasher>
10-0-1
<Gabumon>
theres no doubt in my mind that someone on that staff is reeeeally fond of it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so edo what you're saying is
<GBAToad>
yes but the third has the most objectively
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
the games are good when they have vore
<turb>
oh well
<Anton{Politoed}>
anything else for F9?
<GBAToad>
perch what have you done
<__2257>
honestly they kept adding more and more of it
<__2257>
first one vore battle
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
cracked the code
<__2257>
then one vore world
<__2257>
then one vore game
<turb>
i always found it really hard to be mad about the vore in superstar saga because it didnt look realistic at all
<Baby_Luigi>
None of them were realistic
<turb>
also i dont think theres anything else thats beens hit recently
<GBAToad>
lets look at the staff lists to see who was fired between 3/4
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
m&l is all i can think of
<GBAToad>
that was the vore person
<Anton{Politoed}>
F10 Worst Game Mechanic (Dimensional Flipping (SPM), Star Bits (SMG & SMG2), Camera (3D Games), Vibes (SPP), Joystick twirling (MP1), Limited inventory (PM & PM:TTYD), Stickers/Battle Cards (PM:SS/PM:CS), Button mashing (MP1), Gyroscope/motion controls, Vehicles (MP9 & MP10), Extra life system, Chance Minigames (Mario Party series))
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
did odyssey have any shit mechanics
<Gabumon>
what I'm saying is that games tend to be good when people put a lot of effort into them, and people put more effort into things if they involve something that excites them very much
<GBAToad>
yes
<Baby_Luigi>
I'm not sure if any of this is tongue-in-cheek but they're about as vorey as the Magic School Bus human body stuff to me
<__2257>
just motion controls
<Lakituthequick>
10) Extra life system — 40 — 1.80%
<Lakituthequick>
11) Star Bits (SMG & SMG2) — 37 — 1.67%
<Lakituthequick>
12) Dimensional Flipping (SPM) — 36 — 1.62%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Coins in Item Boxes (MK8) — 3 — 0.14%
<Lakituthequick>
14) O. Jumping — 2 — 0.09%
<GBAToad>
oh yes it did perch
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
...that is an actually interesting way to think about it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but on to f10
<Lakituthequick>
Not including 15 because that's all the other 1-vote writeints
<GBAToad>
coins in item boxes is a good one
<Anton{Politoed}>
what was shitty in SMO that could fit here
<Lakituthequick>
<s>capturing</s>
<Gabumon>
I think SMO was fairly sound
<Baby_Luigi>
Swimming controls but that isn't specific to Odyssey
<GBAToad>
have we figured out an award to shove jumprope challenge in
<Anton{Politoed}>
I hated all of the mini-quests and stuff that required you to run fast in a straight line or with limited room for error
<Baby_Luigi>
Volleyball challenge
<Anton{Politoed}>
but idk how to word that
<Anton{Politoed}>
those will be in F12
<Stargazing>
the timer challenges?
<Baby_Luigi>
I want to fit Volleyball so badly
<__2257>
i hated the controls
<GBAToad>
ok good
<Anton{Politoed}>
jumprope and volleyball
<GBAToad>
thanks anton
<Anton{Politoed}>
I know there's already Camera (3D Games) but I just want to especially say that SM64 was bad
<Lakituthequick>
does cappy-less count as a mechanic
<__2257>
nah dude play mario galaxy
<Anton{Politoed}>
did rabbids have anything that sucked
<GBAToad>
yeah i was gonna say cappyless challenges
<Anton{Politoed}>
and uhhhhh
<__2257>
if you want to know what bad cameras are about
<Anton{Politoed}>
would that be a mechanic or an objective
<turb>
cappyless feels like it falls under the same thing as fluddless
<GBAToad>
yeah thats the thing
<turb>
that's not on the award so that's not my issue
<turb>
it's just "is there a name for the concept of this in general"
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'd think more of an objective, as in F12, since they weren't necessary to accomplish anything in the game beyond 100%ing it
<GBAToad>
its like "Remove the one partner the game is based around"
<Anton{Politoed}>
and is more like
<Lakituthequick>
main-mechanic-less missions
<Anton{Politoed}>
withholding a mechanic of the game
<Anton{Politoed}>
rather than a mechanic itself
<GBAToad>
yeah
<smasher>
id say objective yeah
<GBAToad>
theres nothing in odyssey i can say is bad that isnt tied to a specific mission
<Anton{Politoed}>
although ltq's thing has potential
<Lakituthequick>
in SMO it's just small sections though, SMS is like, whole levels
<Lakituthequick>
afaik
<Anton{Politoed}>
20:54 Lakituthequick main-mechanic-less missions
<Anton{Politoed}>
if there's a less goofy way of wording this that includes the concept in general, spanning SMS, SMO, and whatever else, it could work for this award
<Gabumon>
whole levels?
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
hmmm
<Lakituthequick>
Cappyless/FLUDDless Missions
<Gabumon>
I think the SMO and SMS sections are comparable
<GBAToad>
Levels Wot Have Them Mario Friends Removed
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
also the sms ones are comparble because
<turb>
i cant remember any full levels in smo without cappy
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
it's not even the whole mission
<Lakituthequick>
I dunno, haven't played SMS
<Gabumon>
theres only like one instance of an entire mission being fluiddless
<turb>
just the scarecrow missions
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
it's just the mario challenge
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
except for - yeah
<GBAToad>
yeah scarecrow missions is it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
there's ONE mission where you don't have fludd from the start
<turb>
in sms you get fludd removed for entire platforming sections
<turb>
plus one mission and it sucks
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
every other case you just have it for the platforming section
<Anton{Politoed}>
20:56 Lakituthequick Cappyless/FLUDDless Missions
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
*don't have it
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's no other games where this is prevalent enough to be notable?
<turb>
was there a similar mechanic in SMG?
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
no
<Lord_Bowser>
no
<GBAToad>
well its not like you didnt have the spin no
<turb>
I don't think it was ever a requirement in mario 64, since the cap didn't do anything beyond block damage
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
smg never takes away the spin
<Anton{Politoed}>
I feel odd restricting it to just these two examples, but I don't want it to be so vague that voters can't link the two concepts
<turb>
and I can't remember SMG removing the spin
<Stargazing>
you only didn't have the spin in the prologue
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
and the cap never /forces/ a removal
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
like
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
you can lose it, yes
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but if you play well you never lose it
<turb>
so I think that SMS and SMO are the only games where it happens
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so it's not really equivalent
<Anton{Politoed}>
if there's no other spin on this, I'm up for putting "Cappyless/FLUDDless missions" to a vote
<Lord_Bowser>
im fine with it
<GBAToad>
same
<Anton{Politoed}>
since it's not exactly rock solid if this award is for things that are integral to the game, or things that exist within it
<Gabumon>
we're still on F10, right
<Anton{Politoed}>
yes
<Gabumon>
ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Cappyless/FLUDDless missions" to F10 Worst Game Mechanic? (y/n/a)
<GBAToad>
y
<turb>
y
<Stargazing>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Gabumon>
n
<Baby_Luigi>
y
<__2257>
a
<smasher>
a
<Gabumon>
its an objective, not a mechanic
<Icemario>
heh, no other spin
<smasher>
5-1-2
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
y
<smasher>
yeah im iffy on whether this is a mechanic
<smasher>
6-1-2
<NEXandGBX>
a
<turb>
i think it should be on one of the awards regardless but its vaguely weird having it on this one I guess
<Icemario>
I don't really see how you could class this as an objective tbh
<turb>
like i think the closest thing on the nominee list is like
<Icemario>
it sounds too general
<turb>
limited inventory
<turb>
in terms of something you have to work with that the game forces on you
<Icemario>
although it isn't as much of a mechanic as it is the loss a key mechanic
<turb>
but thats also a lot less optional
<Gabumon>
its not really a game mechanic
<Icemario>
*loss of a
<Lakituthequick>
you could indeed see it as a loss of the game mechanic
<Gabumon>
as it was said, it is the temporary removal of a game mechanic to create a small challenge
<Meta_Knight>
n
<Anton{Politoed}>
I think
<turb>
SMS is like the closest it gets to being a mechanic because its forced on you and you need to put up with it to beat the game
<turb>
due to how the 7-shines thing works
<Anton{Politoed}>
that it being deemed as a "mission" renders it as an objective
<Meta_Knight>
in odyssey theyre all short and optional
<smasher>
i think im changing to n
<Anton{Politoed}>
so i'm gonna n
<turb>
I'll switch to n
<Gabumon>
the thing about limited inventory space is
<smasher>
i dont think this is a mechanic
<GBAToad>
n
<turb>
id like if we could bring this up again on Worst Game Objective though
<Gabumon>
thats a thing that pretty much affects you throughout most of the game
<Lakituthequick>
We could indeed try it on F12 instead
<turb>
yeah per edo
<Lakituthequick>
y => n
<Anton{Politoed}>
will F12 become the first award where we have to push it to 18+ nominees because everything is bad? :thinking:
<NEXandGBX>
let's just put everything on f12
<NEXandGBX>
like everything
<smasher>
4-7-2
<Lakituthequick>
Add Super Mario Wiki for F12
<NEXandGBX>
"worst objective winner: mario"
<Lord_Bowser>
put the entirety of the mario franchise on f12
<Lakituthequick>
*to
<GBAToad>
add Video Games to F12
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Everything" to F12 Worst Game Objective? (y/n/a/)
<Anton{Politoed}>
<Baby_Luigi>
y
<turb>
y
<NEXandGBX>
<Lakituthequick>
<GBAToad>
<Stargazing>
<turb>
<Anton{Politoed}>
otherwise I think we're all set with F10
<Lord_Bowser>
<GBAToad>
f11 my life
<Meta_Knight>
<GBAToad>
also what happened to my avatar
<GBAToad>
damn
<Anton{Politoed}>
F11 Biggest Missed Opportunity (Sony partnership failure, Transphobia (Birdo, Vivian), Inadequate amiibo production, Super Mario Spikers cancellation, Mario Takes America cancellation, Donkey Kong Coconut Crackers cancellation, Failure of the Mario Artist series, Mario & Wario not being localized, Wrecking Crew '98 not being localized,
<Anton{Politoed}>
Abandoning Paper Mario: Sticker Star early build, Donkey Kong Racing cancellation, Super Mario's Wacky Worlds cancellation, Taking down fangames, Lack of online level sharing in SMM3DS)
<mcd>
yes it is
<Lakituthequick>
12) Mario Takes America cancellation — 22 — 1.00%
<Lakituthequick>
12) Wrecking Crew '98 not being localized — 22 — 1.00%
<Lakituthequick>
14) O. Super Mario 64 2 cancellation — 12 — 0.54%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Donkey Kong Coconut Crackers cancellation — 7 — 0.32%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Letting Microsoft buy Rare — 7 — 0.32%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. No Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario crossover — 5 — 0.23%
<Lakituthequick>
18) O. 3DS Rainbow Road in Mario Kart 8 DLC — 4 — 0.18%
<Lord_Bowser>
ruined kingdom
<Lord_Bowser>
ruined kingdom
<Lakituthequick>
these results are an ant nest
<Lord_Bowser>
ruined kingdom
<Anton{Politoed}>
before we get to stuff
<GBAToad>
lb doesnt want ruined kingdom
<GBAToad>
also i think we need to trim these
<Anton{Politoed}>
in the campaign turb and I ran, we had a point that we would rework this award
<NEXandGBX>
sm642 over coconut crackers for sure
<Anton{Politoed}>
the fun thing is
<Anton{Politoed}>
I can't remember how
<NEXandGBX>
rip
<Lakituthequick>
:calp:
<Anton{Politoed}>
<turb>
same
<Lakituthequick>
*clap
<Stargazing>
do we wanna come back to this, then
<GBAToad>
IMPEACH
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
was it like
<GBAToad>
also like
<turb>
i really dont feel like we DID have a specific plan though
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
reworking the phrasing of the award and nominees
<NEXandGBX>
12:
<GBAToad>
id suggest removing all the cancellations of random shit
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
to better clarify what is meant
<turb>
just "this award fucking sucks, change it"
<GBAToad>
because fucking
<Anton{Politoed}>
the reason why is because I'm sure that the reason we wanted to rework it was because sorting out the write-in votes was an absolute nightmare
<turb>
yeah
<Lakituthequick>
wow it really was an ant nest
<GBAToad>
remove write-ins?
<Anton{Politoed}>
which has less to do with the actual award and more with the overwhelming amount of work that this one creates more than the others
<Gabumon>
I have to brb
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<Gabumon>
if you vote whether to add ruined kingdom before im back, my vote is "y"
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's not exactly possible or fair to remove the write-in option, as tempting as it is
<Anton{Politoed}>
and ok
<Baby_Luigi>
Maybe it's the wording of the poll that creates the ridiculous amount of write-ins
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
is it really that bad? like not in a "dispute" way but "does it stack up even worse compared to stuff like worst character, favorite game, etc"
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
lie how bad are we talking by comparison
<Anton{Politoed}>
we have to check every single one for accuracy and then reword them
<GBAToad>
well see you can point to anything you dont like and say its a missed opportunit
<Anton{Politoed}>
and then find all of the ones that have varied wording and see if they match to any others
<GBAToad>
y
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
eeeeugh
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
yeah that DOES sound worse
<Baby_Luigi>
tbh I'm not sure if biggest missed opportunity is poll friendly
<mcd>
i was scrolled up so if i typed "yes it is" earlier it was in response to something above it
<Anton{Politoed}>
because these nominees can be full sentences and concepts, it's significantly more difficult than just changing the syntax of a game's title
<turb>
it's a good award but it's not fun to sort
<Icemario>
I don't think it is either
<Anton{Politoed}>
so tl;dr
<turb>
good award as in "there's a place for mentioning how bad nintendo has fucked up"
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i'm not sure how we can rework that without losing the point of it, unfortunately
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm mostly just whining and making note that this was something we screamed about last year
<Lakituthequick>
so with "rework" you want to coin "remove"
<Baby_Luigi>
It's a good concept but it doesn't translate well at all
<Anton{Politoed}>
and ultimately there's not much we can do about it unless someone has a big idea right now
<GBAToad>
make it so that we charge a mariowiki awards gold membership so only gold members can do write-ins
<Anton{Politoed}>
this award is a good cloud to scream at
<Anton{Politoed}>
so I don't feel comfortable with removing it yet
<Lakituthequick>
"local magikoopa shouts at cloud"
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
*old magikoopa :)
<Baby_Luigi>
Maybe some options can be merged into one, like "Localization Failures" and "Game Cancellations"
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
see the thing is
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i don't like that idea
<turb>
is there a solution beyond getting a scapegoat to tally this award
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i mean, i'll volunteer for it
<GBAToad>
22 is our goat
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i like tallying
<turb>
i'd honestly rather just do that
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but i was saying re: blof
<turb>
get someone to do this award in particular and give them the 5 points in guess the results or whatever
<Baby_Luigi>
The award maybe could be split up into many different awards
<turb>
no I know
<Baby_Luigi>
How many cancelled games are there?
<turb>
I'm just saying that that's the easiest solution that dilutes the level of work we have to do
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
what if you /do/ support the cancellation of one game but don't support another?
<Baby_Luigi>
How many failed localzed games there are
<__2257>
i already tally all the awards... sort of ...
<GBAToad>
yeah i fucking wanted donkey kong crackers but not sm64 2
<__2257>
ok not really
<__2257>
but i helped
<Anton{Politoed}>
I can see blof's idea being a concept to work with if we were struggling to fit nominees, but we aren't
<Anton{Politoed}>
this is at 13 before we do any additions/removals for this year
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
if anything the problem is that too many nominees fit perfectly
<Stargazing>
yeah
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but not many are actually big enough to deserve their own award
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
like
<GBAToad>
11:06:15 am <BA1719•烊akituthequick> 17) O. No Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario crossover — 5 — 0.23%
<GBAToad>
this ones funny to me
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
take the cancelled games, for example
<GBAToad>
since there is one
<Lakituthequick>
lol
<Baby_Luigi>
They probably don't say it's the "real" one
<turb>
oh I remember that
<Anton{Politoed}>
like, I'm fully willing to pocket this idea for when the year 2024 rolls around and nintendo has pulled enough bullshit to flood this award with nominees
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
how many of the cancelled games are actually ones really hype for
<Anton{Politoed}>
but at this moment I'd prefer being specific
<Baby_Luigi>
Super Mario Spikers
<turb>
it was just that they were pissed about how they didn't properly merge them
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
six? seven?
<NEXandGBX>
then next year in the write-ins
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
and yeah paper mario is incredibly marginalized
<NEXandGBX>
17) O. No good Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario crossover — 5 — 0.23%
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
is lame
<Baby_Luigi>
That's more like it
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<smasher>
im alive
<Stargazing>
we should add the nominee nex pulled up
<Baby_Luigi>
(though crossovers more often than not end up disappointments - we do get brillance here and there)
<Stargazing>
i'm sure it's not out of date
<Anton{Politoed}>
so, with all this
<Anton{Politoed}>
14) O. Super Mario 64 2 cancellation — 12 — 0.54% 15) Donkey Kong Coconut Crackers cancellation — 7 — 0.32%
<Anton{Politoed}>
these will be a direct swap
<Anton{Politoed}>
i.e.
<GBAToad>
yeah i want those two gone
<Anton{Politoed}>
removing coconut crackers cancellation and replacing it with sm64 2
<Anton{Politoed}>
as this is a case of a write-in getting more votes than a formal nominee
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
fine by me
<Baby_Luigi>
okay
<turb>
yeah
<Stargazing>
yes
<Anton{Politoed}>
unless everyone really hates this idea
<turb>
if people suddenly decide theyre upset about coconut crackers they can write it back in
<__2257>
idk
<Stargazing>
i'm on board
<__2257>
was mario 64 2 even ever announced
<smasher>
yeah wap those
<__2257>
i thought it was just a rumor
<smasher>
swap
<GBAToad>
how dare you imply the 7 people upset for coconut crackers
<Gamefreak75>
wasnt there a screenshot of it or something
<GBAToad>
also yeah can we get a check on this
<Anton{Politoed}>
22's point is something that could break this, yeah
<Gamefreak75>
or maybe that was mario 128
<Gamefreak75>
idk if thats the same thing
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
1 sec
<Lakituthequick>
<__2257>
i saw sceenshots of it but they turned out to be fake
<Lakituthequick>
Super Mario 64 2 was the tentative title for a Mario game in development that served as the direct sequel to Super Mario 64, intended for release in 1999. It was going to be for the Nintendo 64DD, but was canceled early in production due to lack of progress and the commercial failure of the 64DD add-on.
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
none of our links are really strong
<Baby_Luigi>
where's the source for that statement
<Baby_Luigi>
I should slap a {{refneeded}} on the opening statement
<GBAToad>
this all really reads like speculation LOL
<Baby_Luigi>
"It is possible that some concepts of this game were included in Super Mario 64 DS."
<Baby_Luigi>
Yyyyeaaaaaaaah this page isn't well-written
<GBAToad>
especially that line
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
as far as i can tell
<Baby_Luigi>
There's barely any refs for their statements too
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
the most we actually have that has a reliable source is
<Baby_Luigi>
Not even dead links, just nothing
<GBAToad>
"fjdhdjshdksdj it mightve existed!!!"
<Lakituthequick>
it has four refrences but also a link to a youtube video
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
"shigeru miyamoto tossed around an idea for a bit but dropped it"
<GBAToad>
thats what this article is
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
which... isn't really coherent enough, imo
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
like, there's no solid work and development
<GBAToad>
lol wikipeople should get this shit removed
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok well with that
<Anton{Politoed}>
the spell is broken
<Baby_Luigi>
Hey I'm a wiki guy here
<__2257>
did you watch the youtube video
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
no clear game in progress that got chopped
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
blof: you should get it removed
<__2257>
it just looks like a rom hack honestly
<GBAToad>
ur right 2w
<Anton{Politoed}>
the next step is
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but yeah it sounds like it was just miyamoto considering something that he eventually didn't drop
<Baby_Luigi>
I'm going to vomit {{refneeded}} all over this page
<__2257>
all thats different is the music in one area and it crashes a few times
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
*didn't do
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
and... there's probably a million of those
<Anton{Politoed}>
adding ruined kingdom, but how 2 word
<__2257>
i can make a broken rom hack too
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
"Lack of content in Ruined Kingdom"?
<GBAToad>
Ruined Kingdom sums it up nicely imho but
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i think "ruined kingdom" DOESN'T sum it up nicely
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
because
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
what if you didn't play odyssey
<Lakituthequick>
adding just the name implies the whole thing was a failure
<turb>
why are you voting for ruined kingdom if you didn't play odyssey
<Lakituthequick>
which it wasnt
<turb>
:weary:
<__2257>
https://youtu.be/VfYw8A3PmNU heres my lost paper mario 64 2 beta
<GBAToad>
thats what the but was for perch
<GBAToad>
thanks
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
oh
<Anton{Politoed}>
here i'll do this quick
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but yeah i think it's like
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
none of the others are relying on prior knowledge in the nominees
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
we shouldn't make this one do so
<GBAToad>
also per turb lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Ruined Kingdom (name tbd)" to F11? (y/n/a)
<Anton{Politoed}>
i'm y
<turb>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
edo was y
<GBAToad>
y
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
ry
<Gabumon>
y
<GBAToad>
edo is t
<Stargazing>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<__2257>
y
<GBAToad>
*y
<Lord_Bowser>
y
<GBAToad>
dammit joke ruined
<mcd>
y
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
...ok well birdo and vivian do, to be fair, but also how would we cram the whole thing in there so
<Anton{Politoed}>
gr8, so now we just gotta name it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i'm gonna stand by my idea
<Baby_Luigi>
y
<GBAToad>
lack of kingdom in ruined kingdom
<Anton{Politoed}>
blocky's idea is valid but i just want to scope out options
<Lakituthequick>
Blocky's suggestion: "Lack of content in Ruined Kingdom"
<Gabumon>
ruined kingdom wasted potential
<GBAToad>
^that works too
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
also feasible
<Icemario>
so they ruined that kingdom
<turb>
i like edo's more in terms of being concise
<Icemario>
no wonder it has that name
<Gabumon>
"ruined kingdom, what the fuck guys this was such a good concept how on earth did you fuck this up"
<turb>
^
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
hehe
<Lord_Bowser>
per edo's idea
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
can we call it "Wasted potential of Ruined Kingdom"
<Lakituthequick>
yeah, leaning towards edo's idea
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i like that phrasing better
<Baby_Luigi>
Ruined Potential Kingdom
<Stargazing>
i like that but gba's is hilarious so i kind of want to add it
<Lakituthequick>
in blocky's variant yeah
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
there's literally no concrete difference but
<Anton{Politoed}>
smo 2 wherein ruined kingdom is actually a currently populated jetson's-like sky world filled with dry bones but they all got knocked off and just had to reform and it took a while because it's really high
<Gabumon>
Wasted ruin potentially kingdom
<Anton{Politoed}>
hire me nintendo
<Lakituthequick>
most are formatted like "<terible thing> <subjecy>"
<Icemario>
I love the inevitable joke for this entry
<smasher>
hi.
<Lakituthequick>
so blocky's wording works
<smasher>
y to adding ruined kingdom
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
Ruined Our Hopes For It Kingdom
<__2257>
dry bones world is a+
<Anton{Politoed}>
I agree with ltq for the format
<GBAToad>
Ruined Potential
<Lakituthequick>
Ruined Roast
<smasher>
literally ruined kingdom
<GBAToad>
god,
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok so
<Lakituthequick>
so, "Wasted potential of Ruined Kingdom" as blocky suggested would have my vote
<Meta_Knight>
i like perch's wording
<Anton{Politoed}>
are these the two ideas we've got to decide between
<Anton{Politoed}>
blocky's and edo's
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
oh blocky has 2 now
<Anton{Politoed}>
aaa
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
no mine is literally just
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
Edo's But Phrased Slightly Differently
<turb>
if not edo's and edo's with blocky's wording
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
the second one
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so it's still just "blocky and edo's"
<Anton{Politoed}>
can someone spoonfeed me the options
<Anton{Politoed}>
there were too many joke ones to sift through
<Stargazing>
perchedo tag team
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
"wasted potential of ruined kingdom", "ruined kingdom wasted potential", and "lack of content in ruined kingdom", where the former two are basically the same but phrased slightly differently
<Icemario>
I think edo's one was ruined kingdom's wasted potential
<Icemario>
oh was the 's not there
<Icemario>
okay
<Lakituthequick>
"Wasted potential of Ruined Kingdom" and "Ruined Kingdom wasted potential"
<Gabumon>
I think this fusion would be called Ecky
<Stargazing>
the first one
<Gamefreak75>
can we add cloud kingdom to that
<turb>
tbh id lean edo's wording more even if it's not as consistent with the other nominees
<Gabumon>
its a pun because "ecke" means corner in german
<turb>
the first sounds awkward in a way I can't pinpoint
<GBAToad>
no cloud kingdoms a cloud at least
<Gamefreak75>
but ruined kingdom is in ruins
<Icemario>
the second one reads like a headline almost but I think the first one makes it slightly more clear what it is
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
ecky is the dance variant, blockdo is the potara variant
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: "Wasted potential of Ruined Kingdom", "Ruined Kingdom wasted potential", and "Lack of content in Ruined Kingdom" (1/2/3/a)
<Stargazing>
1
<GBAToad>
it couldve been so much more but it was pretty straightforward that it was simply a cloud from the start whereas ruined kingdom couldve had more ruins
<Lord_Bowser>
2
<Stargazing>
actually wait, swap to 3
<turb>
2
<Meta_Knight>
1
<Lakituthequick>
1
<smasher>
1
<GBAToad>
1
<Icemario>
am I also exempt from this
<Gamefreak75>
1
<smasher>
yes
<Lord_Bowser>
actually swap to 1
<smasher>
you dont matter
<Baby_Luigi>
3
<Icemario>
:(
<__2257>
3
<Stargazing>
F
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
1
<turb>
you could phrase it as "Ruined Kingdom's wasted potential" if the lack of 's is an issue i think
<smasher>
7-1-3-0
<Gabumon>
1
<smasher>
8-1-3-0
<mcd>
1
<turb>
overall i dont really care as long as its on this award somehow though LOL
<smasher>
9-1-3-0
<smasher>
thats majority
<Anton{Politoed}>
i'm on the fence between 1 and 3 but ultimately 1 wins
<Anton{Politoed}>
so who cares what i say
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<Lakituthequick>
blocky you're a cube how do you roll
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i didn't
smasher is flattened
<Gabumon>
dice can roll
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other suggestions for this award
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
he rolled on top of my flat surface
<Gabumon>
its their entire purpose
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i have none
<GBAToad>
hes not a cube anymore since he was flattened
<Lakituthequick>
lol i cant read
<Anton{Politoed}>
I remember there being a few toyed with in earlier meetings, but nothing that I got set in my notes
<Stargazing>
none for me
<GBAToad>
neither
<GBAToad>
ruined kingdom is it
<Icemario>
isn't the lack of additional suggestions here in itself a Missed Opportunity
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i like that idea
<Gabumon>
nothing that I would put forward as a serious suggestion
<turb>
^
<Anton{Politoed}>
F12 Worst Game Objective (Boshi Race (SMRPG), Yoshi Eggs (SMA), Blue Coins (SMS), Rabbits (SM64DS), Flopside Pit of 100 Trials (SPM), Piccolo (SPM), Duel of 100 (SPM), World 9 (NSMBW), Letters (PM), One Million Coins (NSMB2), Green Stars (SMG2), Completing Every Level with Every Character (SM3DW), Star/Moon Coin Challenges (MG:WT),
<Anton{Politoed}>
Chasing General White (PM:TTYD), Super Expert Mode (SMM))
<Lakituthequick>
12) Piccolo (SPM) — 40 — 1.93%
<Lakituthequick>
12) Yoshi Eggs (SMA) — 40 — 1.93%
<Lakituthequick>
14) Letters (PM) — 33 — 1.59%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Star/Moon Coin Challenges (MG:WT) — 15 — 0.72%
<Lakituthequick>
16) O. Star Coins (All New Super Mario Bros Games) — 3 — 0.14%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Luigi (SMG) — 2 — 0.10%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Paper Toad Missions (M&L: PJ) — 2 — 0.10%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Purple Coin (SMG) — 2 — 0.10%
<Gabumon>
I would have liked if metro kingdom was like, even bigger
<Gabumon>
and more important
<turb>
i already forgot what i wante dto bring up again on this award
<Baby_Luigi>
I hated how Metro Kingdom had sheer drops
<Anton{Politoed}>
me too, edo
<turb>
what the fuck was it
<turb>
cappyless/fluddless
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
yeah
<Gabumon>
like to the point where it's even half the game maybe
<Gabumon>
because I love city levels
<Anton{Politoed}>
oh yeah I remembered that I hated that you can't capture pretty much any representative species of each kingdom
<Anton{Politoed}>
I could've said that for F11 but i didn't
<Anton{Politoed}>
oh well
<Stargazing>
we're doing jumprope and volleyball in this one right
<Baby_Luigi>
I love city levels too, GTA has the best template for one :P
<Lakituthequick>
like "WOW YOU CAN CAPTURE NEW DONKERS"
<Gabumon>
before I bought the game I was under the impression metro kingdom was going to be the hub
<Lakituthequick>
only RC dude can be captured
<Anton{Politoed}>
as for F12, there's no write-ins I really feel like we should add
<GBAToad>
yeah same edo
<Anton{Politoed}>
just all of the ideas from prior conversations
<Gamefreak75>
i thought itd be the 2nd kingdom tbh
<Gabumon>
they should just make GTA:New Donk City
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
same as edo
<Baby_Luigi>
Holy hell yes
<Anton{Politoed}>
I have
<Anton{Politoed}>
-Add “Beach Volleyball (SMO)” and “Jump-Rope Challenge (SMO)”
<Icemario>
purple coin write-ins despite them being in F5
<Gabumon>
run over new donkers with your scooter
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so you mean that one robot chicken sketch
<Baby_Luigi>
GTA: New Donk City would be so freaking amazing
<Anton{Politoed}>
but we're at 15 for this award already, and can only fit 3 more
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
god how many years has it been since i saw that
<Baby_Luigi>
Well you could already mod GTA V to put Mario in it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
also i think it's ok to put in two more
<Anton{Politoed}>
so I'd like to get a list of everything we've decided to dump into here
<turb>
all the prerelease screenshots made it look like new donk was the hub and I'm PISSED
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i have nothing
<Stargazing>
we also decided on cappyless/fluddless missions
<Baby_Luigi>
The pre-release screenshots make New Donk bigger than it is
<Stargazing>
iirc
<Baby_Luigi>
And it had no sheer drops
<Baby_Luigi>
I hated the table-top floating island of New Donk City
<Anton{Politoed}>
I know there were a few more than just these 3
<Baby_Luigi>
They have to limit it somehow but it broke immersion instantly
<Anton{Politoed}>
I just don't have them marked down because they weren't my ideas I wanted to push
<Gabumon>
bounding?
<Baby_Luigi>
Koopa Races
<Anton{Politoed}>
so should we just postpone this award until we/people can look back to what they said they wanted to bring up for F12
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i think tat's a good idea
<turb>
probably
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
do the other fail ones first and let people think about f12
<turb>
i cant think of anything beyond cappyless and the two minigames myself though
<Lakituthequick>
Volleyball was a pretty popular option for this award
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
we can kick off the next meeting with it
<Baby_Luigi>
Volleyball is horrible
<Gabumon>
<smasher>
i dont have any other suggestions besides the three
<Gabumon>
<GBAToad>
anyway ill just leave this here again https://youtu.be/Ih323XXu_3w
<Anton{Politoed}>
missed opportunity:
<Anton{Politoed}>
mario underwear shot when jumping in the dress
<smasher>
yes
<turb>
oh thats my favorite video
<turb>
good anton
<turb>
I'm gonna write that in this year
<Lakituthequick>
disturbedgirl.jpg
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
missed opportunity
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
inability to put mario in skimpier outfits
<GBAToad>
was boxers not enough
<Anton{Politoed}>
but I'll postpone F11 until next meeting and spend next week looking over logs to compile what else there was for it
<Baby_Luigi>
No
<Anton{Politoed}>
I mean F12
<Anton{Politoed}>
so moving on
<Anton{Politoed}>
F13 Worst Mario Party Minigame (Tug o' War, Bash 'n' Cash, Flip the Chimp, Crane Game, Day at the Races, 屠WSER'S 寂G 尉AST (BOWSER's Big Blast), M.P.I.Q., The Beat Goes On, Game Guy Room, Pipe Maze, Right Oar Left?, Hot Rope Jump, Cheep Cheep Chance, Piranha's Pursuit, Skateboard Scamper, Cast Aways, Bob-omb Combo, Cheep Cheep Check)
<Lakituthequick>
16) Cast Aways — 30 — 1.78%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Piranha's Pursuit — 29 — 1.72%
<Lakituthequick>
18) Skateboard Scamper — 27 — 1.60%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Bumper Balls — 12 — 0.71%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Cut From The Team — 8 — 0.47%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Pedal Power — 5 — 0.30%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Vicious Vending — 5 — 0.30%
<smasher>
i dont know if id do anything here
<Anton{Politoed}>
how long have we had this award
<Anton{Politoed}>
2 years?
<Lord_Bowser>
havent really played much of mario party so i cant comment
<Gabumon>
bumper balls deserves consideration I think
<GBAToad>
its a good award
<GBAToad>
also per
<Icemario>
I agree with edo
<Stargazing>
should we add bumper balls
<Baby_Luigi>
Is Rudder Madness even on there?
<Anton{Politoed}>
I agree edo, but I just want to check where it was last year
<Gabumon>
its the stalemate game
<turb>
i would definitely consider bumper balls even if we need to swap out skateboard or whatever
<turb>
bumper balls a shit
<turb>
also yeah 2 years i think
<mcd>
the last three are very close
<Lakituthequick>
Baby_Luigi: no
<Icemario>
which was bumper balls from
<smasher>
either two of three
<Baby_Luigi>
Why is Rudder Madness not on there
<Baby_Luigi>
That minigame is terrible
<turb>
I'm gonna assume Mario Party: The Top 100 brought back all the worst games instead of anything good
<mcd>
i don't see why we'd really need to cut skateboard scamper
<turb>
because no one has played mario party ever LOL
<turb>
there's 18 nominees
<NEXandGBX>
bumper was in both 1 and 2 i think
<turb>
that's why
<Anton{Politoed}>
Bumper Balls was the highest placing write-in last year as well
<Baby_Luigi>
No, Mario Party The Top 100 had quite a few good ones
<Anton{Politoed}>
so we're gonna add it
<Icemario>
ah that explains it
<mcd>
it brought back a lot of the ones that were on the poll actually lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
but what 2 remove
<NEXandGBX>
top 100 also had bumper balls
<mcd>
or at least a few that i saw
<Icemario>
how did the bottom three perform last year
<smasher>
i guess remove skateboard
<Anton{Politoed}>
skateboard scamper wasn't last in 2016
<Icemario>
did any of them decline or anything
<turb>
i mean skateboard is close enough to the other bottom ones
<Anton{Politoed}>
and these are all pretty close
<smasher>
though it was only lowest by 2 votes
<turb>
so yeah
<turb>
we can probably remove a different one for bumper balls if we want
<Baby_Luigi>
I still question how the living hell Rudder Madness is not on this list and why there's no write-ins
<smasher>
i dont know how much i want to remove the bottom one when all three were close
<Baby_Luigi>
It's easily my least favorite Mario Party minigame
<Anton{Politoed}>
<Gabumon>
is rudder madness the one from MP1?
<Baby_Luigi>
No it's from 8
<smasher>
idr what rudder madness was but if its not here and not a substantial writein we dont need to add it
<Anton{Politoed}>
Piranha Pursuit and Cast Aways were both low, where Skateboard Scamper has only been this low once
<Baby_Luigi>
<turb>
i dont remember this minigame at all so i wont comment
<Baby_Luigi>
It's a game where you ride a lily pad, you steer it with motion controls
<Anton{Politoed}>
so I guess we could just 1/2/3/a on which one to get rid of
<smasher>
ok then id probably bump out one of those two instead
<Baby_Luigi>
And it's extremely slow and boring
<Anton{Politoed}>
so let me set that up
<Baby_Luigi>
It's a slow, uneventful minigame that bores you
<Baby_Luigi>
At least the luck minigames has value when you play with friends
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove either "Piranha Pursuit", "Cast Aways", or "Skateboard Scamper"? (1/2/3/a)
<Baby_Luigi>
Rudder Madness, it's boring and tedious
<Gabumon>
3
<Icemario>
I would think skateboard should probably be removed before either of the other two tbh
<mcd>
piranha's pursuit was in top 100 if that sways anyone
<GBAToad>
3
<Baby_Luigi>
3
<Lord_Bowser>
a
<mcd>
might be reason for/against it getting more votes
<turb>
1
<mcd>
a
<Lord_Bowser>
havent played any
<__2257>
1
<Lakituthequick>
a
<turb>
cast aways was shit
<NEXandGBX>
a
<turb>
skateboard scamper has been high other years
<Baby_Luigi>
I liked Piranha's Pursuit actually
<turb>
piranha pursuit wasn't that bad from what I remember
<Icemario>
I thought this was a thing for only two years?
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
a
<Baby_Luigi>
The guy on the clouds have a disadvantage though
<turb>
it did exist in 2016 and wasnt that low then
<Baby_Luigi>
If the skateboarder was good and they were good too
<smasher>
i dont think skateboard should be removed over the other two since it wasnt low befor
<Anton{Politoed}>
this is for Worst so if you like it you'd theoretically want it removed from this award
<smasher>
e
<smasher>
1
<turb>
yeah what anton said
<Baby_Luigi>
I also like Skateboard Scamper too though
<mcd>
bumper balls got a lot of write-in votes but the bottom three all got a lot of votes and the lowest was lowest by like two votes so i don't really think we need to change it up
<mcd>
if that makes sense, im very tired
<Meta_Knight>
a
<Icemario>
well, %-wise skateboard did lose the most since last year
<smasher>
3-0-3-5
<Meta_Knight>
i hate all of them
<smasher>
3-0-3-6
<Icemario>
a whopping .5%
<Anton{Politoed}>
i'm dying
<Anton{Politoed}>
i still haven't voted
<Anton{Politoed}>
do i hold all the power
<Icemario>
the others were noticeably more marginal drops
<smasher>
you might
<Anton{Politoed}>
help
<Stargazing>
a
<turb>
im sticking with my vote on 1
<smasher>
vote with me
<Icemario>
ah so the deciding vote rests with me
<turb>
government shutdown
<turb>
it doesn't lol
<Icemario>
of course
<turb>
wait
<Icemario>
let me dream, man
<turb>
i feel like we might have said that already shit
<turb>
now i just feel like an asshole
<mcd>
:(
<Icemario>
rip
<smasher>
awards cancelled duee to stalemate on f13
<mcd>
cancel turb
<mcd>
bring back the awards
<Anton{Politoed}>
even with Skateboard Scamper being like 4 places higher last year, it was all still a matter of 4-5 votes total
<Gabumon>
did somebody say stalemate
<smasher>
sorry turb
<Anton{Politoed}>
ssssssssssssssso I think I'm gonna 3
<smasher>
youve been cancelled
<Anton{Politoed}>
this was tough
<Gabumon>
I think theres only one way to decide this
<Anton{Politoed}>
i'm sorry i betrayed you turb
<smasher>
rip
<Gabumon>
lets play bumper balls
<Stargazing>
no
<Anton{Politoed}>
good idea
<turb>
:'(
<Gabumon>
winner gets double votes
<Icemario>
I mean
<Icemario>
it could always pull a bumper balls and do well in write-ins, were it removed
<turb>
I'll just have to rig the polls
<smasher>
losers get pushed into the water irl
<turb>
i don't hate skateboard scamper though so i'm pretty alright
<Baby_Luigi>
Luigi will win by doing nothing
<turb>
thank god no one voted to remove cast aways
<smasher>
cast aways is Bad
<NEXandGBX>
"f13 winner: f13"
<mcd>
cast aways should be cast away
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok, anything else to do with this award?
<smasher>
no please
<smasher>
no more stalemates
<mcd>
nothing i can think of
<smasher>
no more bumper balls
<Gabumon>
I mean if theres an unbreakable stalemate, we could always just remove both
<Anton{Politoed}>
this award is painful when tallying as well because a lot of people hallucinate and make up minigames
<turb>
just adding bumper balls seems fine yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
so we need to verify every single write-in
<NEXandGBX>
quick three of the people from abstain vote cast aways
<turb>
yeah anton I hate that
<smasher>
kill nex
<Icemario>
hallucinating minigames
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
y to killing nex
<Anton{Politoed}>
and then there's different names in different regions
<Lakituthequick>
this is why you hired me
<turb>
we should have hired 3d player
<smasher>
worst award
<Anton{Politoed}>
:lakitu:
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
for killing nex?
<Icemario>
for all we know maybe they work for nintendo and are lowkey leaking future minigame names
<smasher>
is 3d player still alive even
<Lakituthequick>
yes totally
<mcd>
we should have a worst award award
<Anton{Politoed}>
F14 Worst Setting (Subcon (SMB2), Starship Mario & Galaxies (SMG2), Mushroom Kingdom (SM3DL), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Flipside/Flopside & Dimensions (SPM), Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT), Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT), Party Cube (MP4), Star Carnival (MP8), Shroom City (MPA), Party Islands (MP:IT), Egg Island (YNI), Transformed Wario Castle (WW),
<Anton{Politoed}>
DK Isles/Crocodile Isle (DK64), The Fun Fair & Surrounding Areas (MPL), Mushroom Kingdom (PM:SS))
<mcd>
that could not go wrong
<NEXandGBX>
those spinies aren't just for show you know
<Lakituthequick>
14) DK Isles/Crocodile Isle (DK64) — 54 — 2.94%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Mushroom Kingdom (SM3DL) — 52 — 2.83%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT) — 27 — 1.47%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Hotels (Hotel Mario) — 5 — 0.27%
<GBAToad>
i want to see an award thats nothing but hallucinated minigames
<Lakituthequick>
go to the sheet for 18 and 27
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i got nothing
<Anton{Politoed}>
not adding hotels
<Gabumon>
skip
<Meta_Knight>
this seems to be things as a whole and smo is pretty great so i dont think anything needs to be added
<mcd>
ok yeah lets not add hotel mario for starters
<Icemario>
I haven't played SMO but is ruined kingdom at all a consideration here, based on the missed opportunity
<smasher>
skip
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
no
<Anton{Politoed}>
so i'm fine with skipping
<GBAToad>
skip
<Stargazing>
skip
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
this is just for overall
<mcd>
skip
<Baby_Luigi>
!skip
<NEXandGBX>
!skip
<turb>
skip
<Icemario>
ah okay
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
it would be the entire odyssey setting
<Gamefreak75>
skip
<Lord_Bowser>
!skip
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
also skip
<Gabumon>
hop
<smasher>
ruined kingdom doent qualify yeah
<Lakituthequick>
yes odyssey was terrible add to this
<Baby_Luigi>
Luncheon Kingdom anybody?
<Lakituthequick>
(dont)
<Anton{Politoed}>
F15 Most Disappointing Game (New Super Mario Bros. 2, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Yoshi's New Island, Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games, Mario Party 10, Yoshi's Island DS, Super Paper Mario, Mario Party 9, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario 3D Land,
<Anton{Politoed}>
Mario Party: Island Tour, Mario Party 8, Super Mario Sunshine, New Super Mario Bros. U/New Super Luigi U, Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS)
<Stargazing>
i kind of want to add odyssey and watch what happens but that's an improper use of time
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
[s]Odyssey[/s]
<Lakituthequick>
15) Mario Party 8 — 36 — 1.60%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Super Mario 3D Land — 36 — 1.60%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Super Mario 64 DS — 29 — 1.29%
<Lakituthequick>
18) Yoshi's Island DS — 28 — 1.24%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Hotel Mario — 14 — 0.62%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam — 11 — 0.49%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Paper Mario: Color Splash — 11 — 0.49%
<Lord_Bowser>
!skip
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
would the SS Remake count?
<Anton{Politoed}>
keep in mind that this award was renamed specifically to avoid "worst" game, and instead added a relativity factor
<Lord_Bowser>
actually yeah nvm i forgot about ss
<smasher>
most disappointing suggestion:odyssey
<Stargazing>
i think it would
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
since like
<Baby_Luigi>
SS + BM
<Lakituthequick>
it's almost as if hotel mario is on every poll's writeints here
<Baby_Luigi>
THough it's a remake
<Baby_Luigi>
idk
<Icemario>
I hope you're prepared for an unforgettable Luncheon Kingdom
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
it's not bad but from what i know it's lackluster and a bit of a letdown compard to the original
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so i could see it being disappointing
<Baby_Luigi>
Hotel Mario is the Worst Character
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
the question is
<Lakituthequick>
Unforgettable Luncheon Kingdom was Ruined Kingdom
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
is it strong enough to remove yids
<mcd>
imagine if mario became an entire hotel
<mcd>
yikes
<Baby_Luigi>
He could capture a hotel
<Lakituthequick>
there is a mario zone in super mario land 2
<smasher>
literal hotel mario
<Gabumon>
<Baby_Luigi>
Is that the world where you go in Mario's crotch?
<Lakituthequick>
yes
<mcd>
yids is one vote behind sm64ds so idk how i feel about removing it
<turb>
yids was bad
<NEXandGBX>
how do we know mario zone isn't a hotel
<Lakituthequick>
convieninently that level contains literal balls
<NEXandGBX>
and mario is breaking and entering all the rooms
<mcd>
bumper balls?
<Lakituthequick>
probably
<Gabumon>
yeah, marios crotch is pretty much a giant stalemate
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i'd personally be down for swapping out yids for ss+bm
<GBAToad>
same
<turb>
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why
<Baby_Luigi>
YIDS is a major disappointment for me
<turb>
like
<smasher>
im indifferent to swapping yids and ss
<Anton{Politoed}>
YIDS has routinely placed "last" in this award
<Baby_Luigi>
fucking fuck they should make you use Baby Luigi BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
<smasher>
oh ok
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
yeah if it's a regular thing
<Anton{Politoed}>
the scare quotes because SMG2 has been but that was removed last year
<Baby_Luigi>
He had to be the ONLY BABY WHO WAS KIDNAPPED AND WHY
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i feel that reinforces it
<mcd>
as much as i dislike yids yyyeah
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
because baby luigi SUCKS
<Anton{Politoed}>
which bumps YIDS up next
<Baby_Luigi>
Baby Luigi doesn't SUCK
<turb>
i think the remake took out some of the charm of the game but yids was just a flat out bad game
<smasher>
if it always places low than maybe we can kill it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
the thing is
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
how high were expectations for ds
<smasher>
ive never played the ss remake though
<smasher>
i mean yi is generally loved so probably high?
<turb>
it's still superstar saga which is a good game in general
<NEXandGBX>
does anyone have a time machine to go back to when yids was announced
<smasher>
idk
<Baby_Luigi>
I expected the SS remake to add a lot of improvements from the other games like equipment or boss ring
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
yeah, but the whole point is that this isn't a Bad Game Award
<Anton{Politoed}>
if we remove it it'll be to add Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser’s Minions in its place
<turb>
unless this is meant to be disappointing in terms of what they did with it in which case like
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so if it's just Bad
<GBAToad>
the remake toadified things and wasnt the remake people wanted
<mcd>
did anyone think sm64ds was that disappointing
<Baby_Luigi>
No
<GBAToad>
so it is a disappointment
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
29 people, mcd :)
<turb>
it's disappointing how they took out and redesigned characters for no reason
<turb>
for sure
<Baby_Luigi>
So zero
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
yeah
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
stuff like that
<Baby_Luigi>
Like Pyscho Kamek
<Lakituthequick>
sm64ds is actually good so i don't know what it is doing here
<Anton{Politoed}>
so let's make the vote on that direct swapping since I don't really imagine any other alternate options to do here other than just not doing it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
yeah
<GBAToad>
people hate the 8 direction movement in sm64ds
<smasher>
i nominated sm64ds :)
<turb>
I think yids was a disappointment though because i remember buying it being like "uhhh yeah yi was a good game and shit guess I'll get this"
<GBAToad>
thats all ive seen
<turb>
then I was disappointed
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i kind of liked ds
<Lakituthequick>
8 direction movement in sm64ds?
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i'm part of the problem
<__2257>
i was very disappointed by koopa toorp quest being not very good
<Icemario>
I remember losing a tooth when I was playing yids
<Baby_Luigi>
I played Yoshi's Island DS first
<Icemario>
good times
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Replace "Yoshi's Island DS" with "Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser’s Minions" for F15 Most Disappointing Game? (y/n/a)
<mcd>
wow
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
y
<Stargazing>
y
<Baby_Luigi>
y
<mcd>
y
<Lakituthequick>
a
<smasher>
eh y
<__2257>
a
<Gamefreak75>
y
<turb>
a
<NEXandGBX>
wouldn't hurt to see how it does
<GBAToad>
i remember reading youre restricted to 8 directions when moving in sm64ds but i havent played it to tell
<NEXandGBX>
y
<Gabumon>
n
<smasher>
6-0-3
<GBAToad>
also y
<turb>
i hate where they took both
<smasher>
8-1-3
<turb>
inclined to switch to N if needed
<Baby_Luigi>
Luigi interested me in SM64DS so that was more interesting to me than 64 and that's all that matters to me
<__2257>
no gba youre not
<Anton{Politoed}>
in an alternate universe we'd have 19 slots
<__2257>
thats 3d world
<Gabumon>
its not a strong n from me
<Meta_Knight>
y
<smasher>
9-1-3
<__2257>
the thing about 64ds is
<smasher>
dont think the n matters now
<Gabumon>
just a "I don't know, probably not"
<__2257>
if you use the + to move, it can only DETECT 8 directions
<__2257>
but you can also move with the touch screen if you want
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
yeah but
<turb>
the thing about yids is that they basically took yi and then forgot to put anything fun in it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
>touch screen movement
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
no see
<turb>
it was disappointing
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
they did put some fun things in it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
they just limited those to like
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
4 levels each
<__2257>
i mean i wasnt a fan either but its still not factual to say youre restricted to 8 directions
<Anton{Politoed}>
swap is happening
<smasher>
no fun allowed
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
baby wario deserved better
<turb>
I can't name a single time I had fun
<mcd>
the music was really disappointing too
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
okay yeah the music is shit
<Baby_Luigi>
When I played SMW2, I thought I played like half of the mechanics already in DS
<Anton{Politoed}>
and with this we'll see if YIDS surpasses Hotel Mario as a write-in
<GBAToad>
ok 22 just remember i like the luigi gambling minigames the most
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
turb just write it in four times and see who else does
<__2257>
the music and graphics were both garbage
<Baby_Luigi>
So I can't judge and probably one reason I lost interest in DS so quickly
<__2257>
in yids
<Baby_Luigi>
I thought DS had okay graphics
<GBAToad>
why didnt we get casino luigi in smash bros smh
<turb>
i'm going to start a crusade to make sure people realize yids is the biggest disappointment of the 2000s
<Baby_Luigi>
It gave me Baby Luigi sprites so eh
<Baby_Luigi>
But I STILL CAn"T USE BABY LUIGI IN THAT GAME
<Lakituthequick>
dunno, i liked yids when i played it
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok and with that, time to wrap up the meeting
<mcd>
Yoshi's Island DiSappointment
<Lakituthequick>
which was 5 years ago
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
:clap:
<smasher>
ive played 1 level in yids
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
we survived Hh meetings
<Baby_Luigi>
Why is Yoshi Touch & Go the only game that Baby Luigi can be used in?????????????????????
<Icemario>
it had some nice ideas
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
good work us
<Anton{Politoed}>
at the start of next meeting we will finish up F12
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
also blof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzYwRIFwIDc
<smasher>
i do not know if i should ever do more
<Anton{Politoed}>
so in preparation for that, everyone dig deep into your memory and logs to find out things that you said we should dump into F12 because they didn't work in other awards
<Baby_Luigi>
GTA V is my favorite open world Mario game
<__2257>
yids more like yoshis island aids
<Anton{Politoed}>
I know there were more than 3
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<Stargazing>
we're here
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
>Hv
<turb>
yeah 22
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i am so confused
<Anton{Politoed}>
and after we finish F12 we will begin Community Awards
<smasher>
oops
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
the entire numbering system has been thrown out of wack
<turb>
finally someone gets it
<Meta_Knight>
anton my community awards notes are ready
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<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
also community awards is not planned for any big chances
<Anton{Politoed}>
there may be polls or calls for responses for things on the forum within this upcoming week
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
*changes
<Meta_Knight>
i can lob them at you if i want
<Anton{Politoed}>
I would like that, yeah
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
we will probably plow through them in one meeting
<Anton{Politoed}>
I had ideas to scope out for big changes but _
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<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
oh
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<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
well then suggest them and we'll talk about them this week!
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i didn't and mk didn't but if you do go right ahead
<Anton{Politoed}>
idk how much they'd wreck the notes that are apparently already done
<smasher>
i can change it back to Hv if people like chaos more btw lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
so I guess good luck
<Anton{Politoed}>
we'll find out
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
our notes are literally just
<GBAToad>
Hh
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
"add these nominees"
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
"remove these nominees"
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
that's it
<Meta_Knight>
yeah what he said
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
we'll be fine
<smasher>
numbers have been replaced with the letter h
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
so they'll be super easy to accomodate big chances with
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
the question is
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