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<Anton{Politoed}> 
hello hello fellow toads and toadettes
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hello
<Meta_Knight> 
im here
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it is time for the first Awards Committee meeting of 2019!
<Rose> 
Hi here I'm Rose
 
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<Lakituthequick> 
:clap:
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
go us
<Anton{Politoed}> 
some of you have been through this before, and others have not
<Geeky> 
Hi itsa me Geeky
<Geeky> 
And I'm excited for what's in store ^^
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
what I usually begin with is an itinerary for the meeting that we will follow as best as possible until other topics are raised, which I will go through now
<Anton{Politoed}> 
*First Meeting -Introduction to processes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
*Big topics
<Anton{Politoed}> 
*Begin Mario Awards rundown
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
thanks ryan
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
thanks rya
<turb> 
thanks ryan
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so us as awards staff will utilize this board https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?board=81.0
<Gabumon> 
first meeting hype
<Gamefreak75> 
meeting h hype
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hth meeting hype
<Anton{Politoed}> 
in that for the next few months will have topics including but not exclusive to unfinished meeting discussions, formal votes, and introducing large abstract ideas that require more nuance and time to work through
<smasher> 
hi
<Anton{Politoed}> 
all meetings will be logged and all logs will be available in the public awards board, located here https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?board=82.0
<Anton{Politoed}> 
meetings are open to everyone, but only awards committee members may vote
<Anton{Politoed}> 
all ideas from anyone, member or not, are welcome
<Anton{Politoed}> 
one way we make identifying members easier and faster for votes is having them all given op access to this channel
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I've updated the access list as best as I can for the time being, but some people will need to register their nicks in IRC first for me to do that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
i.e. rose, BBQ_Turtle, Pitohui, Raregold
<Anton{Politoed}> 
you may type in "/msg nickserv help register" to see how to do it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
you will need to currently be using the name you would like to register
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this isn't absolutely necessary to have meetings function, but it can make things easier
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
nicknames will be dropped if not used for 30 days, so make sure to regularly log in with it if you want to keep it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if you need any help with it, feel free to ask any time
<BBQ_Turtle> 
Do I just type that in here or do I need to do that elsewhere? I'm not familiar with IRC.
<Meta_Knight> 
i think its "/msg nickserv register password email" to register a nick
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
type that in here
<Meta_Knight> 
with password being a password you want and email being the email you want to register it to
<turb> 
you can type it in here, but be sure to remember the / before all of it
<BBQ_Turtle> 
OK, thank you.
<turb> 
otherwise it'll broadcast to the channel
<Lakituthequick> 
I've had it drop my nickname trice over the past year so don't worry about it too much either
<Raregold> 
I'm already logged in
<Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
shing, sparkle sparkle
<Rose> 
I should be set, I believe
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<Rose> 
Neato 🤙
<Gabumon> 
this is the wordiest raid party I've ever been in
<Pitohui> 
So just to be certain before I blast info in public logs, as long as I have the / in front of it it won't message the chat, right?
<smasher> 
yeah
<turb> 
yeah
<Gabumon> 
just make sure theres not a space in front of /
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if there is a space or double // it will be visible
<Anton{Politoed}> 
//msg nickserv help register
<Anton{Politoed}> 
like such
<BBQ_Turtle> 
Sorry, I'll sort that out now.
<Anton{Politoed}> 
no rush
<Anton{Politoed}> 
moving forward, in each General Discussion thread I have included a list of relevant links https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=40775.0
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the ones we use most actively in meetings are:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Pitohui> 
Okay, I think I did that right (I presume and hope you can't see what I see there from NickServ)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
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<smasher> 
you are all heroes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as we work through changing each award, I will update as timely as possible in the Full List
<Anton{Politoed}> 
additionally, just for general decorum, I ask that when meetings are in full swing that off-topic discussion be limited
<Geeky> 
That sounds fair
<Anton{Politoed}> 
awards veterans are seasoned in witnessing me rip the asses off of people who haven't followed by that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but I'm not as scary as I may look :bowser:
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
he mounts them on his mantle
<turb> 
:pgp:
<Rose> 
Impressive
<smasher> 
ill do the tallying again because that's what i was born to do
<Gabumon> 
oh, so anton is crazy mantle lady
<Anton{Politoed}> 
discussion is free before and after scheduled meeting times, of course
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's true
<Raregold> 
Anton tbf you don't look very intimidating most of the time
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's the only reason we keep smasher around
Anton{Politoed} curtsies
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and to finish up introduction is typical meeting work format
<Anton{Politoed}> 
once we get into the swing of award fixing, only Turb or I will set the topic of discussion and move forward
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this help keeps a sense of order
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we also will be the only ones to set formal Votes, which you will see for example
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Anton is cute and also amazing and smells nice? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<Anton{Politoed}> 
yes, no, and abstain
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
n
<Anton{Politoed}> 
y
<Rose> 
a
<smasher> 
a
<Pitohui> 
a
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Raregold> 
a
<Anton{Politoed}> 
votes may be changed at any time during the process
<Geeky> 
y
<smasher> 
4-1-4
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
change to a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
like so
<smasher> 
4-0-5
 
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<Meta_Knight> 
y
<BBQ_Turtle> 
a
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there is no formal and decisive cutoff for what determines the winner of a vote because sometimes it just isn't that way
<Gabumon> 
yaaaya
<Anton{Politoed}> 
solid majority is the way things go
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
but if things are close, the vote may be postponed to open up to the committee as a whole in the staff board to get as many votes as possible
<turb> 
sometimes votes also have to be shelved and brought to the forum if they're a reasonable point of contention or there - yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and it is possible we return to decisions on votes as time goes on
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I also maintain a right to make executive decisions at any time, but it's not really my style to be deposed of for making unpopular decrees in the face of a passionate losing majority, so I will generally keep them reserved for tie breakers and decorum
<Anton{Politoed}> 
next are the Big Topics we will address this year
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I hit on a few of them in here briefly, but to reiterate
<Anton{Politoed}> 
probably the biggest decision this year will be the removal of the Prizes and Tokens system as it stands now, likely in its entirety
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this may or may not be a quick discussion and decision, and we will not go over it in full tonight, but it will be addressed soon, ideally next meeting or the one after as the impact of it affects tournaments that start by June 1st, before polls even go up
<Uniju> 
id like to present this important yoshi image to the committee for consideration
<Uniju> 
<turb> 
why are the pink yoshi's eggs green
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
aesthetic
<Uniju> 
when has egg color ever been tied to yoshi color
<Uniju> 
was it like that in yoshis island
<_2257> 
yoshis story
<_2257> 
no
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this idea has been brewing the last couple years due to several complications regarding ---those are some stylish macarons--- the upkeep of tokens being a ton of labor, the financial burden of maintaining the prize pool, as well as the difficulty to dispense prizes from outside issues such as Steam changing its gifting policies
<Gabumon> 
do you have a problem with green
<Uniju> 
oh
<Toadbert> 
am i alive
<Uniju> 
well im pretty sure its usually tied to the color fo what you ate
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hi toadbert
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
you are alive
<turb> 
no i just remembered it being tied to yoshi color
<Toadbert> 
hexchats lagging a hella
<turb> 
i didn't realize they changed that past yoshi's story
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we're confident that while prizes and tokens are a hearty incentive for participation in tournaments, that they may not be inherently necessary for tournaments to exist in the first place
<turb> 
also yeah, prizes are more of a lofty afterthought nowadays
 
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<turb> 
not "afterthought" but uhh
 
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<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
supplement?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and I would personally like to leave the option open for alternative prizes or hosts offering up their own, rather than having a pool
<turb> 
that might work @ wording
<Gabumon> 
a pain in the ass
<turb> 
yeah that's what i was thinking of
<Anton{Politoed}> 
additionally, the awards prize pool is what shroom tokens draws from
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so should we remove prizes, the shroom will have to find something else or change up their system
<smasher> 
give me the prizes leftover
<Anton{Politoed}> 
while our membership overlaps and we're all part of this community, the awards committee itself has no say or responsibility in the upkeep of shroom tokens and their prize system
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so future decisions on that will be left up to them
<smasher> 
ill be serious when its time but this is fair reasoning
<Geeky> 
Maybe we could do it based off of the amount of presentations people do?
<Raregold> 
The 'Shroom will need to talk about its system soon
<Gabumon> 
let's talk about detals when the time comes proper
<turb> 
there was a token system in place for doing presentations
<turb> 
i agree with edo, though, in that the details are better discussed when it's time
<Rose> 
Agreed
<turb> 
it's just good to have a full heads up for now
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this is just introducing this topic so the AC is aware that it's a Big Topic to discuss soon
<turb> 
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
to mull over ideas for when we tackle it
<Geeky> 
Okay
 
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<Gabumon> 
I don't know if any of the stuff I just said went through, so I'll just pretend it did
<_2257> 
20:27:36 @Gabumon | let's talk about detals when the time comes proper │
<_2257> 
that was the last thing
<Gabumon> 
[01:27] Gabumon I'll most likely be making a thread on the forums about it come next week
<Anton{Politoed}> 
our hero
<Rose> 
👏
<Anton{Politoed}> 
another large topic is that this year I would like to handle some issues regarding Community Awards that came from the merge of User and Shroom
<Gabumon> 
watashi ga kita
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we'll get to that in specifics as we work through the awards in order, but I want to let the idea out so Raregold and everyone else invested are aware that I'm gonna do that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
how this is looking to me as of this moment today is the removal of 5 awards from that ceremony, removing redundancies and awards that just don't feel right anymore
<Anton{Politoed}> 
in my post on the forum I listed a few of those
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
may i make a quick comment
<Anton{Politoed}> 
they're absolutely open to discussion, but i did not want to leave this as a surprise
<Anton{Politoed}> 
sure
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
actually, nevermind; i thought it over and the comment would be better saved for whenever we eventually discuss this in detail
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so i will save it until then
<Anton{Politoed}> 
ok
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there will also be specific reworks of F9 Worst Direction of Series, F11 Biggest Missed Opportunity (again), and M10 Favorite Song, which we will handle as we get to them, as well as any others that may crop up
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and then also rotating out the awards for M5-7 our Wario, DK, and Yoshi awards
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that's it for big topics I want to raise now
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if anyone else has any they would like to bring up, now is the time so we can schedule it into meetings properly
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll give a couple minutes for that while I go get a drink
<smasher> 
i have nothing
<Gabumon> 
flavio
<Rose> 
I'll just make a general note that Pito and I have already taken heed of the likelihood of no tokens, and are planning around that accordingly
<Geeky> 
I don't have anything either what's listed within the topics in which we'll be discussing looks like good points to discuss
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
all of my thoughts relate to specific awards and changes
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
anton didn't mention this but i think it's good to mention
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
the general caps on nominees for a given award are a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 18
<Pitohui> 
Yeah, I don't really have any big topics to throw out that would actually impact the schedule. I'll second Rose though that we're planning a contingency for no tokens for KG.
<Gabumon> 
18 is the hard cap, often it is aimed for not more than 15
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
if it helps, i'll play kg regardless of tokens or not
<Lakituthequick> 
18 is the absolute hard limit Crowdsignal accepts, guideline is around 15
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Crowdsignal is the rebrand of Polldaddy
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
everything should have transferred over easily, including all poll links should they be necessary
<Gabumon> 
let the record show that I bested lakituthequick in a contest of speed
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but any issues regarding that we'll handle in the background and bring up if needed
<Rose> 
Damn, I can't believe we lost our daddy like that
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's okay, he left us a signal
<Rose> 
Now I really don't have a dad
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
anton: from experienc ewith the shroom's sotm polls
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
things remained intact post-transfer, including all old poll links and poll results
<Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
and I assume the process for making polls remains unchanged
<Anton{Politoed}> 
given that the shroom has been going fine with them each month
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah it's the same mechnically
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
right down to how you put in the answers and pick the themes
<turb> 
finally, a good and non-intrusive website rebranding
<Raregold> 
I mean it hasn't been bad at all. Granted I've only had experience with crowdsignal
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if there are no further big topics to discuss, we can move on with working through Mario, Fail, and Community awards, starting with M1
<Lakituthequick> 
I can't imagine how one would fuck up a poll creating interface anyway
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
you'd be surprised how easily people can fuck things up, ltq
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
anyhow, let's go
<Gabumon> 
had this strange mental image of a bunch of rabbits just now
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M1 Best Sound Design (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario 64, Super Mario World, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Super Paper Mario, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze,
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Super Mario Odyssey, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the only thing in my notes for M1 is to update
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<turb> 
<turb> 
yeah
<turb> 
everything past odyssey/rabbids kingdom is something I'm not sure of the soundtrack quality on
<turb> 
I'm curious about what people think of yoshi's crafted world, but it also literally came out today
<turb> 
it's the only one that stands out to me as a "maybe add this"
<Gamefreak75> 
i've heard the new yoshi's game music is kinda ass
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Yoshi's Crafted World came out literally today
<Gamefreak75> 
so we can skip that one probably
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i feel like with regard to crafted world
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we can always come back to it if we need to
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's one of those things where it can be revisited in final review
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
give it time to actually sink in
<smasher> 
i just got crafted world
<Pitohui> 
Crafted World's music is nothing special, but, yeah, giving it time is probably good
<Rose> 
Do we want to consider the BiS remake, either by coupling, replacing, w/e
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Super Mario Maker 2 is also set for a June release, just no specific date
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so it may or may not be relevant to this year's awards
<smasher> 
im three levels in and so far im not sure its good for m1
<turb> 
the bowser's inside story remake does have tracks that sound different enough from the original but idk
<smasher> 
i agree with coming back to it though
<Gamefreak75> 
the bis remake has new music
<turb> 
i'm ambivalent about it, it's just a different situation than mk8/mk8d because the tracks were remastered
<Gamefreak75> 
bu t not enough to justify its own entry imo
<smasher> 
that one i can't comment on
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I will direct our attention to this handy topic that I didn't finish last year
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
awards definitions, to help us focus on what the award actually is about
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M1 - Best Sound Design - The game that overall sounds the best. A significant deciding factor is the game's soundtrack, but it also includes skillful and appropriate use of sound effects, ambience, and (if present) quality of voice acting.
<Rose> 
I haven't played the remake, so I couldn't tell you if its sound quality is as "on par" as the original
<Rose> 
I was just throwing my hat into the ring
<Anton{Politoed}> 
how was WarioWare Gold
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as well as Super Mario Party
<Gabumon> 
if people like the remastered tracks, they will probably vote for BiS regardless
<turb> 
i can't remember warioware gold having any particular standout tracks
<Gabumon> 
I don't think a distinction is necessary
<turb> 
i can agree with that
<Gamefreak75> 
the only track i remember from wwg is the wario deluxe theme
<Gamefreak75> 
which was really good
<smasher> 
gold is a good game but im not sure if its a stand out for sound design
<turb> 
someone else will have to comment on super mario party
<Gamefreak75> 
but i dont think theres enough for a nomination for it
<Gabumon> 
iirc the game's reception was kind of meh in general
<Gabumon> 
so nobody is going to complain about it much I think
<smasher> 
i don't have smp
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we do have a Song award so if the only remarkable thing about its sound design is that, we can redirect it to M10
<Pitohui> 
Super Mario Part has good music but I wouldn't say it stands out in use of music and sound enough for M1
<BBQ_Turtle> 
I wouldn't say Super Mario Party's soundtrack stood out either.
<Pitohui> 
The only thing I think could be in it's favor is the music and use of sound effects in the rhythm minigames but I doubt people would vote for it on those alone
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright, so this looks like a No Change
<Gabumon> 
correct
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yep
<Gamefreak75> 
yeah
<turb> 
y
<smasher> 
id say so
<Rose> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<BBQ_Turtle> 
Yes.
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the worst performing nominees weren't so wildly bad, and none of the write-ins convince me enough that they're needed to be added
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M2 Favorite Mario Kart Game (Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario Kart DS, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 7, Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
afaik in this universe there's been no new Kart games since last awards
<turb> 
mario kart tour is coming out "summer 2019"
<turb> 
so it shouldn't be out during the awards cycle, or at least i assume
<Gamefreak75> 
(X) Doubt
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i assume we will still not be adding the gp games
<turb> 
so we can probably safely skip this at least until e3 meeting panic
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i nearly wrote gp legend
<smasher> 
if it does we can add it last minute
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
smasher help
<smasher> 
perch please
<smasher> 
skip for now imo
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I remember addressing the gp games last year and we chose not to add them
<smasher> 
don't think we need the arcade ones
<Gabumon> 
no change
<Anton{Politoed}> 
unless passions have changed, I'm content with keeping this award as-is unless they release the mobile game early
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
no change
<Gamefreak75> 
no change
<turb> 
no change
<Rose> 
No change
<smasher> 
no change
<Pitohui> 
no change
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if only the rest of the awards were this easy
<Raregold> 
no change
<BBQ_Turtle> 
No change
<Anton{Politoed}> 
look into your crystal balls
<Anton{Politoed}> 
for in the future
<Gamefreak75> 
just leave all the awards the same, nobody will notice
<Gabumon> 
spare change?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we will be reworking Biggest Missed Opportunity for the 4th year in a row
<turb> 
i can't wait to reword the transphobia nominee again
<Gamefreak75> 
remember when we spent a whole awards meeting on favorite galaxy
<smasher> 
our biggest missed opportunity:
<turb> 
yes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
i do
<Gamefreak75> 
then we scrapped it the next year
<Gamefreak75> 
good times
<Gabumon> 
you mean, you can't wait to transform the transphobia nominee again
<smasher> 
getting it right on the first try
<turb> 
good one edo
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M3 Favorite Mario Platformer (Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario 3D Land, New Super Mario Bros. U/New Super Luigi U, Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario Run, Super Mario Odyssey)
<turb> 
slap nsmbu deluxe onto that long ass nominee name
<Gamefreak75> 
no change
<_2257> 
add super princes peach
<turb> 
other than that no change, I guess
<turb> 
i want to add super princess peach though
<Gamefreak75> 
oh yeah nsmbudx
<Rose> 
I'd agree with slapping Deluxe
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Crafted World is also a contender
<smasher> 
slap deluxe in
<Gamefreak75> 
nsmbu.nsmlu/dx
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
add delux
<Anton{Politoed}> 
deluxe seems like a given so I'll add that without a vote
<Gamefreak75> 
crafted is yoshi tho
<turb> 
NSMBU/NSML/NSMBU Deluxe or something
<turb> 
i guess it might fit in the wording
<smasher> 
are yoshi games eligible??
<Meta_Knight> 
would mario maker 2 count if it comes out
<turb> 
i need to see if we counted yoshi's island in the writeins lol
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
smasher: no
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
well
<Anton{Politoed}> 
looks like we didn't turb
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i don't think so considering that historically they were counted for favorite yoshi game
<Geeky> 
I feel like not enough people would be exposed to Mario Maker 2 before votes came out
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so crafted world is out
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there is still M30 for it, though
<turb> 
fair
<Rose> 
Well, the original Mario Maker isn't there either
<Gabumon> 
there arent any dk or wario games on there, so no yoshi either
<smasher> 
yeah we can talk about crafted world m30
<turb> 
we did count mario maker in the writeins
<turb> 
but i'm going to pass on including it for now
<turb> 
I assume there was a reason we didn't include mario maker 1
<Gabumon> 
how many writeins did it get
<turb> 
probably because 95% of the levels are user created
<turb> 
1
<_2257> 
not that i havent always been in favor of adding yoshi games to this but if theres not going to be a dedicated favorite yoshi game award i dont see why they shouldnt be on this
<smasher> 
id say mm2 would be eligible but it isn't out yet so
<Gabumon> 
thats not enough
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there is a dedicated yoshi game award within the M5-7 cycles
<Anton{Politoed}> 
whether we go with Game or Character this year is the decision to make
<turb> 
I guess it's fair to keep it consistent by not counting them during years where the yoshi game award isn't cycled in
<turb> 
so we don't have to bend the rules every time
<Gabumon> 
anything else
<Rose> 
I'm good
<turb> 
nothing that comes to mind
<smasher> 
for now i say no change beyond deluxe
<BBQ_Turtle> 
I don't think so.
<smasher> 
unless there's something with a ton of writeins
<turb> 
smb2 usa got 5
<turb> 
vs super mario run's 12 votes as a nominee
<Gamefreak75> 
lol
<smasher> 
12 votes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we did include yoshi and wario games in M3 in 2017, before we decided on making M5-7 dedicate wario, dk, yoshi cycles
<smasher> 
lol
<Anton{Politoed}> 
dedicated*
<Rose> 
Where's the Hotel Mario representation
<smasher> 
i actually forgot about that
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hnestly
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but only as write-ins and they did not perform well at all
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd be happy to replace run with smb2 usa based on that
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
if people want to go for it
<Gabumon> 
hotel mario isnt a platformer unfortunately
<Gabumon> 
or fortunately
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's only 14 nominees so there's no need to replace
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh
<smasher> 
not sure about a swap but 2 usa could probably outdo run as a nominee tbh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
then i'd just be happy to add, it's a classic
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I can't see SMR ever climbing much higher, but we don't /need/ to take it off
<turb> 
we can add it no problem yeah
<Gabumon> 
no change plus deluxe
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah i thougth there were more than 14 fsr
<Meta_Knight> 
im in favor of adding 2 usa
<Rose> 
I'm for adding 2
<turb> 
I don't want to take it off unless there's a reason to do so once the next platformer is out
<Pitohui> 
I'd be fine adding SMB2. It's fairly popular and we can see if it get more votes as a nominee
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)" to M3 Favorite Mario Platformer? (y/n/a)
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<turb> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Rose> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<BBQ_Turtle> 
y
<_2257> 
a
<Gabumon> 
a
<smasher> 
7-0-2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the Ys have it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Rose> 
When's Smasher special title in the Awards Committee, Tallier
<Raregold> 
y
<smasher> 
9-0-2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
with that, we can move on
<smasher> 
👌
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M4 Favorite Mario Kart Course (Bowser's Castle (N64), Rainbow Road (3DS), Wario Colosseum, Waluigi Pinball, Airship Fortress, Mushroom Gorge, Coconut Mall, Maple Treeway, Electrodrome, N64 Rainbow Road (Wii U), Mount Wario, Mute City, Animal Crossing, Baby Park, Big Blue)
<turb> 
14) Animal Crossing — 50 — 3.04%
<turb> 
15) Mute City — 37 — 2.25%
<turb> 
16) O. Koopa Cape — 16 — 0.97%
<turb> 
17) O. Neo Bowser City — 13 — 0.79%
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
those two seem addable
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but have we had them as nominees and cut them in the past
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i honestly feel we might have?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we're at our soft limit so we can replace if it is so desired, but I don't see a need for it as Mute City does pretty alright despite being in last
<turb> 
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll check on that fact
<smasher> 
i vaguely remember them as noms but i could be wrong
<turb> 
I don't think the votes are close enough personally
<smasher> 
37 isn't bad
<Gabumon> 
no change
<Rose> 
My two Koopa tracks continue to represent with the write ins 🙏
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I went as far back as 2013 awards and they were not on
<Anton{Politoed}> 
my kitty says hi
<smasher> 
oh, ok
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
ok
<smasher> 
hi poop
<turb> 
hi poop
<Lakituthequick> 
say hi back
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
then i'd be down for adding
<turb> 
going to vote for no change
<_2257> 
greetings feces
<turb> 
well, i guess there can just be an actual vote for it
<Gabumon> 
if I gave in to my bias, I would fudge neo bowser city in there somehow
<Rose> 
Agreed
<_2257> 
same lol
<Gabumon> 
but that would be illegal
<turb> 
I like both tracks but i don't feel strongly enough about the vote counts to replace them
<_2257> 
who si voting for n64 rainbow raod
<smasher> 
same
<Anton{Politoed}> 
executive decision
<_2257> 
thats like the worst track in the franchise
<Gamefreak75> 
why is coconut mall there
<Anton{Politoed}> 
add new bowser city and also give it a default +300 votes
<Gabumon> 
people like coconuts and malls
<turb> 
i agree
<Rose> 
Coconut Mall is my favorite Wii track probably
<smasher> 
rainbow road 64 is shit
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anyways for formality
<Rose> 
Anyway I'm all in favor for Neo plan
<Meta_Knight> 
same
<smasher> 
i like coconut mall
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Koopa Cape" to M4 Favorite Mario Kart Course? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
a
<smasher> 
a
<Rose> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Gabumon> 
n
<BBQ_Turtle> 
a
<smasher> 
a
<Gabumon> 
for 20 I would do it
<Pitohui> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<Gabumon> 
not 16
<Geeky> 
y
<turb> 
switching to n
<smasher> 
5-2-2
<_2257> 
a
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<smasher> 
5-2-3
<smasher> 
6-2-3
<smasher> 
am i alive
<_2257> 
yes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll vote Y with the perspective of another Kart game coming out next year that we will likely need to prune and replace for as well, and having excess now may make that decision easier
<Gabumon> 
are any of us
<turb> 
i'm not
<Rose> 
Switch to y
<Gabumon> 
oh
<smasher> 
fair
<Gabumon> 
sorry I misunderstood
<turb> 
also that's a good point actually
<Gabumon> 
I thought we were replacing mute city
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh
<Gabumon> 
change to a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
no, mute city is perfectly keepable
<turb> 
if it's just adding and going past the soft limit I'll switch back to a
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<smasher> 
9-0-4
<Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah it's just adding past the soft limit
<turb> 
so i'd like to apologize on that front too lol
<smasher> 
that's majority
<Anton{Politoed}> 
koopa cape is added
<Gabumon> 
how many do we have now
<turb> 
16
<smasher> 
16
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that should be - yeah
<Gabumon> 
welllllllll
<Gabumon> 
if we're one over the soft limit
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "New Bowser City" to M4 Favorite Mario Kart Course? (y/n/a)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
y
<turb> 
y
<Gabumon> 
we might as well also add neo
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Neo*
<Rose> 
y
<Gabumon> 
yes
<Pitohui> 
y
<Gabumon> 
y
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<smasher> 
y since we added cape
<Rose> 
What a good track, god bless
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<smasher> 
12-0-0
<smasher> 
nice
<Gabumon> 
balance is restored
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not seeking any further changes for M4
<Anton{Politoed}> 
is anyone else
<Rose> 
Nope
<smasher> 
nah
<turb> 
no change
<Pitohui> 
No need for anything more
<Gamefreak75> 
no
<BBQ_Turtle> 
No.
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
no change
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M5, M6, and M7 as of last year are a package deal
<Gabumon> 
let's add baby park, baby park with rail, and baby park mirrored
<_2257> 
baby parks already on lol
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not intending on veering off of that
<Gabumon> 
and baby park mirrored with rail
<Rose> 
Baby park 200cc
<Gamefreak75> 
neo baby park city
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
baby kart
<Gabumon> 
the babening
<_2257> 
i hope they add baby baby park as a playable character in mario kart 9
<smasher> 
change m4 to "favorite variation of baby park"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Gamefreak75> 
i'm fine with treating them as a package deal
<turb> 
i'd like to see a piece of track drive a kart
<Anton{Politoed}> 
you can find the relevant discussion last year around the 8:52 mark
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<turb> 
how much of each award are we tackling tonight, just which one gets slotted into each space?
<turb> 
and then deciding nominees on the forum?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that's what I'm feeling yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
two of them should be reasonably easy to work from since we can use the old version as a base
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
or three
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
depends on which we pick
<Anton{Politoed}> 
while I would personally like to for aesthetic purposes for all three to be the same, it is fully possible for each one to be a different focus
<Anton{Politoed}> 
in 2018 they were all Level
<Lakituthequick> 
(note that my logs adjust to your local time so 8:52 is 52 minutes in for those not in edt)
<Gabumon> 
I'm in favor to have all of them be character this year
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the options are Game and Character, as well as whatever else people may think of
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd like to propose all of them be Character this year for the mentioned reasons
<Anton{Politoed}> 
*9:29 PM] Glowsquid: oh right you reminded me I think the favourite wario character award should be brought back since gold boosted the popularity of many of the characters (esp. 5-volt and orbulon)
<turb> 
all of them being character this year is fine with me
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
additionally
<turb> 
I think they can also be Game for similar reasons, if only because Gold and Crafted World have come out semi recently
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
only two of the game awards would actually be concretely different
<turb> 
but that puts donkey kong in a weird spot
<Rose> 
I'm in favor of Game, personally. With some recent releases and rereleases occuring for each series, it would be nice to look at them now
<turb> 
so character would be better
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
since dk has no new game yet
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so i'd like to push that back a year and see if dk gets a new game
<Rose> 
But it did get the rerelease of TF
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the implication of deciding one way now is that 2020 will have the other
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
tropical freeze won in 2017, the last time game was around
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so i really don't think the rerelease will make a material difference
<Gamefreak75> 
i'm fine with game now since 2/3 of the series had new games within the year
<Gamefreak75> 
and i doubt theres going to be a new wario and/or yoshi game next year
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but yeah, regardless of if dk gets no new game i wanna do game for 2020
<turb> 
i feel like game is the weakest of the three rotations in general tbh
<Rose> 
I suppose with 2020 in mind, I'd be alright with Character for now, especially with Gold recently resparking interest in WW characters, but I'm still in favor of game
<turb> 
it's the thing people are least likely to budge on, and if they do it's typically in favor of whatever the newest release is
<turb> 
character has the potential for more interesting results
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Cycle M5-7 to be Favorite DK/Wario/Yoshi _____? (Game / Character / Mix / Other / a)
<turb> 
like, that shouldn't be our primary deciding factor on this or anything, but still
<turb> 
Character
<Pitohui> 
I'm leaning towards character if only because Gold brought back the whole Warioware cast and I think characters will fall out of mind more quickly than entire games, with DKCTF and Crafted World not really introducing any characters or focusing on returning ones
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
Character
<Pitohui> 
Character
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
[s]and by that we mean the results from 2nd place down, right turb?[/s]
<turb> 
yeah
<Lakituthequick> 
char
<Rose> 
a
<_2257> 
a
<BBQ_Turtle> 
Character
<Gabumon> 
character
<Anton{Politoed}> 
character
<Anton{Politoed}> 
here's to a Kamek game coming out in spring of 2020
<turb> 
amen
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
smashER
<Rose> 
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time + Kamek Krusade
<smasher> 
hi
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
count
<smasher> 
sorry i had something let me catch up
<Geeky> 
Character (If I'm not too late)
<smasher> 
character
<smasher> 
0-9-0-0-2
<Rose> 
Just as a heads up if I vanish mid thought, irc's starting to be a bugger
<_2257> 
relatable
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M5-7 will be Character
<Gabumon> 
motion blur head
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll make a topic in the staff board to organize their nominees after work tomorrow
<Lakituthequick> 
good cat
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so with regards to putting it together
<turb> 
gr8
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd say we can use the old wario and dk character awards to help create these, with modifications for two years out of focus obv
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yoshi needs to be from scratch
<turb> 
poochy and kamek
<Gamefreak75> 
stork
<smasher> 
spirit who loves surprises
<Lakituthequick> 
baby bowser
<Gabumon> 
guy who uselessly stands in your way
<Anton{Politoed}> 
minimum of 5 is required which we can hit
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
baby luigi
<_2257> 
pack e derm?
<Rose> 
Stilted Shy Guy
<Pitohui> 
Naval Piranha, Burt the Bashful, and Rapheal the Raven have all had multiple appearances, for consideration
<Meta_Knight> 
what about the frog from yoshis island
<turb> 
yeah i was thinking of like the dudes from yoshis story lol
<Gabumon> 
chatterbox
<turb> 
pak e derm and the recurring bosses would be good
<Rose> 
Toadee but just for Pito
<turb> 
the dudes from topsy turvy*
<_2257> 
i would like to officially propose breakout character cute and dangerous shy guy with a knife
<Gabumon> 
will anyone know what pak e derm is
<_2257> 
<Gamefreak75> 
mario and luigi's parents
<smasher> 
id unironically support adding pakederm
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M8 Favorite Art Style (Retro style sprites, Yoshi's Island style, Donkey Kong Country style, Main series 3D style, Paper Mario style, Mario & Luigi style, Yoshi's Story style, Yoshi's Woolly World style, Wario Land: Shake It! style, Super Mario RPG style, Super Mario Strikers style, WarioWare style, 2D Promotional Artwork style, Super Mario-Kun style)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
which pair, gamefreak
<_2257> 
also i wasnt proposing pack e derm, i was asking if you were
<smasher> 
isn't he a spirit in ultimate, that would help
<Pitohui> 
Pak E Derm is in Ultimate
<Lakituthequick> 
13) Super Mario-Kun style — 26 — 1.60%
<Lakituthequick> 
14) Yoshi's Story style — 19 — 1.17%
<Lakituthequick> 
15) O. Super Mario 64 style — 5 — 0.31%
<Lakituthequick> 
16) O. Luigi's Mansion style — 2 — 0.12%
<turb> 
pak e derm is in the background of some smash stage too i think
<smasher> 
nice
<turb> 
the yoshis story one
<smasher> 
anyway m8
<turb> 
also, i know you have notes for M8
<Gamefreak75> 
the real and fake ones, perch
<Pitohui> 
Crafted World should probably be added if Woolly World is on there
<turb> 
so i'm assuming those are gonna get brought up on the table
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there may be only 1 vote for it, but I would like to see a split of 2D Promotional Artwork style
<Anton{Politoed}> 
into Retro and Modern
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd be fine with doing that and makinbg no other change
<smasher> 
i could be down for adding crafted world
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the award currently has 14 nominees
<turb> 
i like the split idea
<BBQ_Turtle> 
I was also going to mention Crafted World.
<smasher> 
and splitting
<turb> 
is crafted world significantly different from woolly world
<_2257> 
yes
<smasher> 
yes
<Pitohui> 
Yeah, it goes for a very different collage look
<smasher> 
yes
<_2257> 
if anything i feel like its closer to yoshis story
<turb> 
i was watching the twitter video but i have no idea how woolly world looks anymore
<turb> 
yeah it does remind me of that
<Rose> 
Is there a way to incoporate Story into the option for Crafted World as well, they are pretty distinct but Story still has a fair number of votes
<Gamefreak75> 
brb
<turb> 
we could go over the soft limit and both split the 2d promotional nominee and add crafted world separately
<turb> 
i'd be fine with it at least but idk how anton feels about it since I'm not sure there's gonna be any pruning here like with mario kart course
<Anton{Politoed}> 
i'll give priority vote to crafted world as it's a fresh nominee
<Gabumon> 
we could also go for a handcraft style and put YS, YWW, and YCW in it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but I'm not opposed to going over
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that is an option
<Rose> 
I'm in support of a general handcraft option
<Anton{Politoed}> 
are YS and YCW too different, is the question
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'd say they're within the same general style
<turb> 
I personally feel like they're different, but that a lot of that difference comes from the 20-year gap and difference in like
<turb> 
enemy/yoshi design?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the Paper Mario games vary and are still lumped together
<Pitohui> 
A handcrafted option I think would be fine for YS and YCW, but I wouldn't put YWW in there too. It feels too distinct from the other two.
<turb> 
so i'd be fine lumping them together since it feels more like a generational gap than it does a distinct art style gap like woolly world and crafted world do
<smasher> 
i definitely want cw in there somewhere, unsure if it should be separate or with story
<Lakituthequick> 
if i quickly look at screenshots from ys it seems like the environments are made of wool and patches but the enemies and yoshi's are not
<turb> 
yoshi's story has a lot of papercraft and like, jeans textures in the background and stuff
<turb> 
which is how crafted world looks too
<smasher> 
i agree that woolly world is more distinct
<Gabumon> 
actually, the ys worlds are made of... a lot of things
<BBQ_Turtle> 
I'd say Story and Crafted World are close enough, though I don't think we could throw Woolly World in with them.
<Gabumon> 
patches
<Gabumon> 
denim
<Gabumon> 
newspapers
<Gabumon> 
cardboard
<Gabumon> 
ghosts that make strange noises
<Gabumon> 
horrific giant knives
<Lakituthequick> 
ah yes, i see some cardboard now
<turb> 
brb
<_2257> 
the tower level was made of wooden blocks i think
<Gabumon> 
inflatable material
<Gamefreak75> 
back
<_2257> 
the storybook theme sort of fell apart at some points
<_2257> 
idk how you can make a book out of wooden blocks and springs
<smasher> 
magic
<Gamefreak75> 
is this lumping YS + YCW or YS + YWW + YCW into one category?
<smasher> 
and the power of the super happy tree
<Gamefreak75> 
i'd be fine with either just wondering
<Lakituthequick> 
so all three are distinct in their own ways but also all want to be crafted in some way so
<Anton{Politoed}> 
adding YCW seems a given
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so i'll make the vote this
<Lakituthequick> 
looks like the three can form a venn diagram
<smasher> 
yep
<_2257> 
i dont know if polldaddy supports venn diagrams
<Lakituthequick> 
unfortunate
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: (1) YS + YCW, (2) YS + YWW + YCW, (3) YWW + YCW (1/2/3/a)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
should 1 or 3 be chosen, the remainder will be a separate nominee
<Gabumon> 
2 for now
<Gabumon> 
might change after some research
<smasher> 
a, part of me wants to make it a nominee by itself
<Pitohui> 
1
<_2257> 
1
<Raregold> 
1
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
abstain
<Rose> 
1
<Lakituthequick> 
a
<Meta_Knight> 
1
<smasher> 
5-1-0-3
<BBQ_Turtle> 
1
<smasher> 
for the record of the three i actually favor 2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as YCW is fresh out, we can absolutely come back to this award later
<Gamefreak75> 
2 for now
<Gabumon> 
the thing I see is like
<Gabumon> 
the other options are bundles
<smasher> 
edos point made me realize cw and story are more distinct than i remembered
<turb> 
1
<Gabumon> 
so keeping these games split up might divide votes between them and put them at a disadvantage
<smasher> 
so a general lump might be better
<smasher> 
on that note ill switch to 2
<turb> 
I guess thats true actually
<turb> 
a handcraft style would be fine in that regard
<Rose> 
Switch to 2
<turb> 
i'll switch to 2 from 1
<Lakituthequick> 
unvote: a
<Lakituthequick> 
2
<smasher> 
5-6-0-1
<smasher> 
i think
<Geeky> 
a
<Anton{Politoed}> 
2
<Meta_Knight> 
switch to 2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we'll work under the assumption that all three will be a bundle
<smasher> 
4-8-0-1
<Rose> 
Gotta hop off for a little bit
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but the nominee name is still pending
<Lakituthequick> 
"Handcrafted Yoshi style"?
<Gamefreak75> 
sounds good
<Gabumon> 
its ok, I think the meeting ends in 10 minutes anyway
<smasher> 
ltqs works for now
<smasher> 
we still have something else for this award don't we
<Anton{Politoed}> 
additionally, should write-ins for any of the 3 come in, they will get merged into this nominee's votes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as for the 2d split
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I was thinking of changing "2D Promotional Artwork style" to "Modern 2D Promotional Artwork style" and "Retro 2D Promotional Artwork style"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as I think there's a marked difference between like
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Gabumon> 
how many votes did promo artwork get
<Anton{Politoed}> 
4) 2D Promotional Artwork style — 131 — 8.05%
<Gabumon> 
personally I don't see that much of a difference, just a general refinement in style
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i agree with edo, it doesn't stand out that much to me to be worth splitting
<Lakituthequick> 
I feel the former might be handdrawn while the latter most cerainly was created digitally
<Lakituthequick> 
the difference is otherwise not _too_ big
<turb> 
I guess i can see people liking one but not the other though
<Lakituthequick> 
definitely, i prefer the newer one personally because it's cleaner
<BBQ_Turtle> 
I don't think they're quite different enough really, plus some of the older stuff can be inconsistent so it might be harder to count the whole lot as one style.
<Lakituthequick> 
that might also just be these specific artworks
<Anton{Politoed}> 
would this be something worth looking into more with more examples rather than deciding now
<Lakituthequick> 
probably
<Pitohui> 
I'm no art expert, but I feel like the difference in shading clinches it for me. In the modern art, there's no shadows that aren't just blackness. In the other image Anton pulled up and that SMB3 art with them running from Koopalings, you can see shadows under, for example, Mario's stache and Toad's "neck",
<turb> 
I think that'd be a good idea yeah
<turb> 
looking into it more
<Lakituthequick> 
shading is a big one yeah
<smasher> 
i think its best to look into it more
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what I'd want from this is there to be a significant break between each one
 
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<Gabumon> 
where do you draw the line
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if it's difficult to discern then it's worth keeping it merged
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I wouldn't want to nitpick fine details
<Gabumon> 
I feel like this is how this style of promo artwork has evolved
<Gabumon> 
where is the cut-off between old stuff and new stuff
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
:shrug:, that's what I was thinking too
<Gabumon> 
and how clear is it
<Gabumon> 
like
<Gabumon> 
if you take work from the beginning of something and from the end of something
<turb> 
was there even a lot of 2d promo artwork in the early 2000s?
<Gabumon> 
of course they are going to look different
<turb> 
there's this issue where I'm not sure how much of a natural evolution we can actually track
<Uniju> 
i feel like all the super mario advance games had 2d promo art
<Uniju> 
idk how much of it was new and how much was recycled from the early 90s though
<turb> 
that sounds right but yeah that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
well I guess
<Gabumon> 
I dont think you will be able to draw a line
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Main series 3D style is a nominee
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
those have significant changes from earlier to now
<Lakituthequick> 
was there not a period where they didn't use 2d promo art as much
<turb> 
that's what i mean ltq
<Raregold> 
I'm gonna head out for the night
 
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<turb> 
i remember it being more prominent once there was more club nintendo stuff and web calendars, etc being made
<Anton{Politoed}> 
rip club nintendo
<turb> 
and a lot of the promotional art in the 2000s was 3d models sans the mario advance games
<turb> 
rip
<smasher> 
rip
 
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<_2257> 
its probably pretty arbitrary to call "2d promotional artwork" a style anyway
<Anton{Politoed}> 
are you suggesting a rename
<_2257> 
those calendars with toad-kun already look nothing like the provided example of modern promotional artwork
<_2257> 
or even each other, tbh
<_2257> 
no im just commenting
<smasher> 
i feel pretty neutral to this atm
<Anton{Politoed}> 
those kinopio-kun calendars are why I'm still alive to this day
<_2257> 
<_2257> 
this if anyone odesnt know what im talking about
<Anton{Politoed}> 
tbfh fam
<Anton{Politoed}> 
i want to vote for specifically that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but they're all different styles
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll make a thread for this because honestly I want to address kinopio-kun more than I do about deciding 2d
<Uniju> 
move to replace favourite art style with favourite kinopio calander
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it'll be a "wat do 2d" thread
<Lakituthequick> 
kinopino-kun is pretty diverse within itself
<Anton{Politoed}> 
good idea
<Lakituthequick> 
though the 'main' style seems to be the vector-without-outlines one
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I appreciate what kinopio-kun calendars bring to this world
<Pitohui> 
Kinopio deserves some attention for Awards purposes, honestly. A thread is a good idea
<turb> 
i agree with uniju
<Gabumon> 
we could put the calendar as its own nominee and pose the question whether a collection of different art styles can in itself be an art style
<_2257> 
that sounds like a collection to ask a philosopher
<turb> 
kinopio-kun gets existential
<Gabumon> 
yeah
<Lakituthequick> 
oboi
<Anton{Politoed}> 
with it being past end time, though, it's time to conclude for the night
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
goodnight
<Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8 work, we got to just about where I wanted to get
<_2257> 
hey if the meeting is over i need to ask a question
<smasher> 
👏
<Gamefreak75> 
<Gamefreak75> 
true art
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
sup 22
<_2257> 
what do you think the odds are that polldaddy renamed itself because the word daddy has become too horny in 2019
<Anton{Politoed}> 
next meeting we will start back from where we left off, and also address tokens/prizes as necessary as per discussion on the boards
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
higher than i want to consider
<turb> 
god
<Anton{Politoed}> 
tomorrow I will create threads for 2d/kinopio and m5-7 nominees
<smasher> 
goddamn it 22
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
thank you for coming everybody!
<Anton{Politoed}> 
good night!
<turb> 
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