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<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's time
<turb> 
i'm ready
<smasher> 
:toad:
<Pitohui> 
I'm all set here
<Geeky> 
Hi
<Gabumon> 
bwah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
hello hello welcome to another thrilling edition of Awards Committee Meetings Season 13
<Gamefreak75> 
no
<Raregold> 
Yo
<Uniju> 
good morning
<Geeky> 
Good Evening
<smasher> 
it is 7 pm
<Anton{Politoed}> 
schedule is pretty straightforward, we're going to address the topics brought up in the staff board and then resume with Mario Awards
<Anton{Politoed}> 
those topics being Tokens, M5-7, and M8
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as the latter few flow into the rest of the meeting, we'll start with Tokens
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Edo wrote up a lovely topic that sums up pretty nicely a couple years of fretting and worrying
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if you have yet to read it, shame on your family, but you have the opportunity to check it over for a minute or two now
<Anton{Politoed}> 
my goal for this meeting is to end up with a clear decision and direction with this, so the field is open for commentary regarding this
<Anton{Politoed}> 
"this" being the wholesale discontinuation of the tokens and prize system
<Anton{Politoed}> 
with peripheral details such as what to do with the remaining prizes being something to take care of after
<Meta_Knight> 
im in support for removing tokens
<Gabumon> 
disassemble to learn enchantments
<smasher> 
edos post is very good
<Anton{Politoed}> 
my intention is to cease the process altogether for reasons Edo has succinctly wrote in the OP
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm solidly okay with removing tokens
<Anton{Politoed}> 
for those who can't see it, https://pastebin.com/HbFDgxK3
<turb> 
i don't have any input that isn't just "i agree with edo"
<Geeky> 
i also agree with Edo
<smasher> 
im ok with removing tokens
<Gamefreak75> 
i'm fine with the proposal
<Pitohui> 
Yeah, I think Edo laid out the case well and I'm alright with ending tokens.
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<Lord_Bowser> 
not an ac member but i agree
<Meta_Knight> 
as for who gets the remaining prizes since most of those are anton's i think those ones should just go to him for whatever he wants to do with them
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the field is still open to dissent, but it appears there's a strong backing of this plan
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<smasher> 
im ok with letting anton have anything he wants really
<Geeky> 
I agree with Meta and Smasher
<Raregold> 
I see no reason not to end this
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<smasher> 
just give whatever you don't want to me /s
<Gabumon> 
so it seems like the consensus to what to do with the leftovers is that everything is returned to the donators?
<Geeky> 
Yes
<Pitohui> 
I'd say yeah, let the donors have it back.
<turb> 
good one
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I have maintained a list of who has sent what, I'll just need to compile it
<smasher> 
they bought it so its fair
<turb> 
in seriousness though yeah
<turb> 
since the majority of it is anton's it should be up to his discretion what he does with them
<turb> 
if the other donators want stuff back then that's fine with me
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there may be hiccups with The Mushroom Vault, though, as I don't think I'd be able to return them in any regiftable sense, and the donor would have to accept it directly into their library for themselves, so at their request I can continue to hold onto them to redistribute to whoever they would like
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but yeah, I'd need to generate that list first
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i don't have a problem with just giving it all back
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll write in my notes to compile that and I'll post it in that tokens thread soon
<smasher> 
:neat:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
are there any questions, comments, or concerns as we barrel ahead with this
<Gabumon> 
nop
<Meta_Knight> 
none from me
<Anton{Politoed}> 
sometime later this week I'll post in the public board our reasons for retiring the token system so peeps can have confirmation
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
not that aren't just me shitposting
<Raregold> 
Nope
<Geeky> 
I'm good with this plan
<turb> 
im fine here
<smasher> 
g
<Anton{Politoed}> 
for loose ends, as for remaining tokens
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not concerning myself with refunding those in any ways as for the last 2 years I've been drilling in to people to spend them as freely as possible as we're planning on removing the token system soon
<Anton{Politoed}> 
should anyone have any complaints, I'll direct them to my posts from 2016, 2017, and 2018 about this
<Meta_Knight> 
tokens arent really like a real financial currency so i dont think there'd be much loss in just erasing them
<Meta_Knight> 
only exception would be shroom tokens if the staff there decides to rework a system for themselves
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Geeky> 
And Tournaments would be another exception
<turb> 
how so
<Geeky> 
I guess it all depends on the owner of the tournament
<turb> 
the idea so far is to just delete tokens entirely and allow tournament hosts to offer their own prizes or similar things for playing if they want
<Lord_Bowser> 
(what did you say)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
tournaments can still give out prizes of their own but the burden of that will fall on the tournament host entirely
<turb> 
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm open to using remaining prizes that I own as supplements should any tournament host decide to offer their own prizes in-house, but I would not want them to be drawn from as a primary source, but rather as a "hey I'm offering $X gift card to 1st place, can I have some cheap games to distribute to 2nd and 3rd"
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and not the awards committee
<Gabumon> 
to be honest
<Gabumon> 
I'd rather draw a clean line
<Uniju> 
minecraft games already has a prize system in place since last year :thumbup:
<Gabumon> 
and keep the prizes and tournaments separate
<Anton{Politoed}> 
do you mean the prize list prizes, or not having tournaments have prizes within themselves at all
<Gabumon> 
the prize list prizes
<Gabumon> 
like, one of our goals is to eliminate the pointless workload that comes from this system
<Gabumon> 
and working out a system for supplement prizes just sounds like reintroducing the same problem in a different color
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it doesn't sound like there's any real "system" to it, though
<Anton{Politoed}> 
my alternative is to use them as symbols of appreciation on my behalf, but that begins to enter territory where I can delegate that under my supervision and disclosure alone
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
just anton lobbing stuff at people who ask and are clear
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and would effectively be me doing whatever with stuff I own separately
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I can see a supplemental prize thing just being a diet-prize retirement yeah
<Gabumon> 
I'd rather keep it clean and simple
<Anton{Politoed}> 
how about for our Official Decision™ is that all remaining prizes are returned to their owners for them to do as they wish
<Geeky> 
I would agree with that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
nothing more, nothing less
<Gabumon> 
yes
<Meta_Knight> 
thats the easiest thing to do
<smasher> 
agreed
<Raregold> 
yes
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
go for it
<turb> 
:thumbsup:
<Lakituthequick> 
agree
<Pitohui> 
That's an agreeable solution
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll be sure to omit the supplemental prize thing from the public post so there's no extraordinary expectation of it come summer, but keep in there that individual tournament hosts may offer prizes still
<Anton{Politoed}> 
are there any other considerations we have to...consider
<Anton{Politoed}> 
tournament participation may take a hit, but this is something we can take in stride and adjust to accordingly as time passes
<Lord_Bowser> 
consider this: bowser is cute
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if not "participation" at least competitiveness
<Anton{Politoed}> 
which is neither here nor there
<smasher> 
consider praising me for my agreement
<turb> 
honestly from my perspective
<turb> 
i've basically never joined tournaments for the thought of prizes or tokens
<turb> 
like getting first and being competitive about it has always been separate from tokens for at least the past few years as the relevance of the system has gone down
<turb> 
so i don't foresee there being a huge hit to tournaments
<turb> 
hopefully that's not misplaced optimism
<Gabumon> 
smasher is the most adequate timetravelling dinosaur cat whose name starts with an s that is currently in this room and has spoken within the last 5 minutes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
well should anything else come up, that thread will remain open
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but this week I'll begin disseminating this to everyone else
<smasher> 
most of my prizes are admittedly still unplayed because i spent most of my life with shit internet so prizes haven't been my biggest reason to play
<smasher> 
that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me
<turb> 
I'd like to think it's more the experience than the prizes
<Gabumon> 
I am a wellspring of compliments
<turb> 
that's me honing in on 3 days of minecraft games more than anything though lol
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Shroom staff is aware of this decision, and if not, hey Raregold I pinged you so now you're aware
<smasher> 
i could feasibly play steam games now so i should probably start using them lol....
<Anton{Politoed}> 
leaving edo's penultimate bullet point next, "Celebrate that we no longer have to worry about token economy or inflation, or wasting months of time and effort handing out prizes in a drawn-out process."
<Anton{Politoed}> 
officially sanctioned awards committee celebrating may commence
<Anton{Politoed}> 
🎉
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm going to celebrate, all right
<turb> 
:clap:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
celebrating time is over
<smasher> 
🎂
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
:TOOT:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
time for M5-7
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
ok
<Pitohui> 
Raregold and I spoke the other day about figuring out what to do about 'Shroom tokens in the near future so I can at least confirm he's aware of it.
<smasher> 
i said things on that one
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what we need to do for these is decide on nominees after we decided last meeting that Character would be the flavor of the DK/Wario/Yoshi award rotation
<smasher> 
things just died for a second nice
<smasher> 
lets do one at a time, probably?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M5 Favorite DK Character (Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Lanky Kong, Tiny Kong, Chunky Kong, Funky Kong, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong, King K. Rool, Rambi the Rhino, Enguarde the Swordfish, Squawks the Parrot)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's no proposed changed from the 2017 version of this award from what I saw
<Anton{Politoed}> 
changes*
<turb> 
professor chops was a suggestion but as far as I know that's barely a character
<turb> 
more of a tutorial thing
<turb> 
i'm guessing lord fredrik and tiki tong don't count as cahracters since they're both horrifically underdeveloped compared to k rool
<turb> 
and also not cute
<smasher> 
yeah like i said we *could* fit in more but im not sure we *should*
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's only 12 nominees so we can like totally add Candy Kong, the highest placing write-in if we feel it's necessary
<turb> 
I'd be fine with candy kong
<smasher> 
did we remove her once
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
candy kong felt like a weird omission anyway
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so add her
<Gamefreak75> 
i'm fine with adding candy
<Gabumon> 
I dont think she'll perform that well
<smasher> 
im indifferent regardless
<smasher> 
she won't
<Gabumon> 
I'm like neutral
<Geeky> 
I'm neutral as well
<turb> 
i'm fine with adding her even if she places poorly
<smasher> 
she placed like last last time we had her
<smasher> 
but there's also room
<Raregold> 
Im find too
<turb> 
I feel like it's pointless to leave her off if we have space
<smasher> 
which is why im indifferent
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I went back a few years and there were no changes to this award, including adding or removing her
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so,
<smasher> 
oh, really
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we'll do this in parts
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hang on
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
huh, she was on the poll in 2013
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Accept the 2017 M23 nominee list as the new M5 Favorite DK Character list? (y/n/a)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M5 Favorite DK Character (Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Lanky Kong, Tiny Kong, Chunky Kong, Funky Kong, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong, King K. Rool, Rambi the Rhino, Enguarde the Swordfish, Squawks the Parrot)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<turb> 
y
<Geeky> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<Gabumon> 
y
<smasher> 
10-0-0
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
okay
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i found what happened re: candy
<Gabumon> 
poor rattly
<Gabumon> 
you will never get the recognition you deserve
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
she was removed from the poll in 2014 when it was repurposed from Kong into DK Character
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
if people want i can go look up what was said
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
*2015
<smasher> 
ah
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<Gamefreak75> 
poor bluster
<smasher> 
11-0-0
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Candy Kong" to M5 Favorite DK Character? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<smasher> 
a
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<Gabumon> 
a
<turb> 
<turb> 
add her
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that image convinced me
<Anton{Politoed}> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
a
<smasher> 
that's a good argument
<Pitohui> 
a
<Geeky> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also the reason was "removal for doing poorly" but in terms of actual numbers she was pretty close to chunky
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so
<Raregold> 
a
<smasher> 
5-0-6
<Gabumon> 
poor chunky
<Gabumon> 
you will never get the recognition you deserve
<smasher> 
eh ill switch to y then
<smasher> 
6-0-5
<Anton{Politoed}> 
here's hoping a reboot of the dk franchise in the next year or so so when we get to Favorite DK Character again in 2022 there will be more of a shakeup
<Pitohui> 
Yeah, it's an addition that can't hurt, I'll make mine y too
<smasher> 
7-0-4
<_2257> 
excercise executive privilege
<turb> 
i hope now that nintendo is willing to re-use k. rool they do more with him and the kremlings
<_2257> 
add kritter
<Gabumon> 
eep
<smasher> 
im glad k rool is back
<smasher> 
i missed him
<Anton{Politoed}> 
any other considerations for M5?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i got nothing
<Gamefreak75> 
no
<turb> 
nothing i can think of
<Gabumon> 
I could say something ridiculous like
<smasher> 
not unless there's another kong someone really wants in
<Gabumon> 
lets add banjo since hes in diddy kong racing
<Gamefreak75> 
smasher's dial-up kong
<smasher> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
redneck kong
<turb> 
like theres some stuff on the edge of my mind but nothing that i foresee as major enough
<turb> 
like the remainign animal buddies, etc
<Gabumon> 
wait, I got it
<_2257> 
listen kritter is a good choice
<Gabumon> 
lets add kazooie because shes mentioned in the manual of diddy kong racing
<_2257> 
the most recurring mook, probably
<turb> 
wow
<turb> 
canon
<smasher> 
there's like dk jr i guess
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
what if we added
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
pink DK jr
<smasher> 
i don't feel strongly about any-Y
<Anton{Politoed}> 
well honestly
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Wario character has some pairings and sets
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Yoshi character we're going to be debating with a heavy likelihood of accepting a plural "Yoshis"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I don't see why we should avoid "Kremlings"
<Gabumon> 
on the basis that we added candy we might as well add kritter, why not
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
sounds viable to me
<smasher> 
that's fair
<turb> 
fine with me
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there are notable Kremlings that differ and it's more like a general race which is a bit different than how Yoshis are, if that's a concern
<turb> 
i feel like the generic enemy kremlings are all pretty similar in one way or another
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it doesn't appear that any of the notable individuals ever showed up in write-ins, though
<turb> 
there's subspecies and stuff but - yeah
<turb> 
none of the like, specific barrel blast characters showed up
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so when are we adding bluster kong
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Kremlings" to M5 Favorite DK Character? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<Gabumon> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<turb> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<Geeky> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<smasher> 
9-0-0
<Anton{Politoed}> 
kremlings are added
<Anton{Politoed}> 
onto the next one :bowser:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M6 Favorite Wario Character (Mona, Jimmy T., 9-Volt & 18-Volt, Ashley & Red, Dribble & Spitz, Orbulon, Dr. Crygor, Kat & Ana, Young Cricket & Master Mantis, Captain Syrup, Rudy the Clown, Shake King, Princess Shokora, Wario)
<Gabumon> 
bowser isnt a dk character
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this is the list of nominees from the last time this award was up in some form in 2017
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
outside of definitely 5-volt i've got nothing to push for
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but we need to rename rudy
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
he is officially no longer "the Clown"
<Gamefreak75> 
is rudy even popular
<turb> 
officially?
<smasher> 
i supported 5 volt and lulu
<_2257> 
by "officially"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
13) Rudy the Clown — 19 — 0.92% 14) O. Waluigi — 17 — 0.83% 15) Shake King — 12 — 0.58% 16) O. Count Cannoli — 4 — 0.19%
<_2257> 
do you just mean the wiki administration decided it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
<Gamefreak75> 
we should add count cannoli since he has a spirit in smash
<smasher> 
and brought up maybe splitting the other vilts
<Gamefreak75> 
easy logic
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
add count cannoli because me and gamefreak and nobody else will care
<turb> 
this looks like wiki admins decided it official
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's 14 nominations as it is
<Gabumon> 
hey, I will care
<turb> 
but i guess it should be obvious what character it is even with dropping "the clown"
<turb> 
so I'm ambivalent
<_2257> 
should it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and a write-in winning over a formal nominee in the past has pretty much been an instant death to the formal nominee
<Gabumon> 
I joined this wiki to write Wario Land articles
<smasher> 
are we going to kill shake king
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i didn't even notice shake king was a formal nominee
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
kill hi
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
*him
<Gabumon> 
hold on
<turb> 
i dunno
<Gabumon> 
that write-in is waluigi, which is a tricky case
<Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah
<turb> 
i would probably think "oh that's rudy the clown"
<turb> 
we've had cases of using unofficial names for clarity in the past
<Anton{Politoed}> 
literally trying to look it up now and can you believe that "Waluigi" doesn't even bring up mariowiki in the results
<Anton{Politoed}> 
even "Waluigi mariowiki" doesn't have mariowiki on Page 1 of google
<turb> 
because an unofficial name was used in one of the worst level award nominees for that purpose iirc
<_2257> 
wow
<turb> 
wow
<smasher> 
true since waluigi doesn't really count as wario character
<smasher> 
wow
<_2257> 
steve needs to get on that seo
<Gamefreak75> 
this is what happens when waluigi doesnt get into smash bros pepehands
<Anton{Politoed}> 
"In WarioWare Gold, Waluigi appears as a crude drawing if the player scans his amiibo during the amiibo Sketch, an appearance shared with most Nintendo characters with amiibo. This is Waluigi's only appearance in a Wario title, despite being depicted as his partner in many Mario spinoffs. "
<Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah I wouldn't really call Waluigi a Wario character then
<Anton{Politoed}> 
probably should've been not counted in that last poll
<Anton{Politoed}> 
shake king survives on a technicality
<Anton{Politoed}> 
for now
<Uniju> 
that's not true, he was in the background in a microgame in warioware smooth moves im pretty sure
<turb> 
fear
<Uniju> 
that also isnt enough to make him a wario character, but its atleast one other appearance
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright so what are we doing
<Anton{Politoed}> 
is Rudy the Clown now just Rudy
<Gabumon> 
wasnt 5 volt an implied character for a long time
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we follow what the wiki names them as pretty much 100% of the time
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so if they did that, then I guess we are too
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also edo: yes
<turb> 
i cant remember when 5 volt physically appeared
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
let me go check
<turb> 
but i remember when 9 volt was first introduced 5 volt was like dropped in dialogue bits or something
<Gabumon> 
would we have counted 5 volt as a character back then
<smasher> 
yeah, she just became a real character more recently
<turb> 
instead of being a real character
<smasher> 
not really
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
"5-Volt makes her first ingame appearance in WarioWare: Twisted!" but only as a shadow
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
game and wario gave her an actual design
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and then gold made her an actual microgame host
<Gamefreak75> 
she really wasnt much of a character back then tbf
<Gabumon> 
like, if we would have considered her a character
<Gamefreak75> 
not until gold gave her something more than being 9-volts mom
<Gabumon> 
and waluigi appears sort of in the games
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
let me go see something
<Gabumon> 
and people want to vote for waluigi
<turb> 
i feel like it's tricky because 5 volt had no character before then but she was a real canonical thing within warioware
<turb> 
waluigi has character but is minimally present
<Gabumon> 
then maybe we should just have him on the thing
<turb> 
:overthinking:
<turb> 
on my part at least
<turb> 
if there's a vote about waluigi i'm probably just going to abstain unless we need to pass it one way or another
<smasher> 
its hard since with gold this is the first time i really want 5 volt on the award
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
nevermind, game and wario came out before the wario character award was created
<turb> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it may be more of a misconception that people are assuming, plus waluigi being an internet darling
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's probably a misconception
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that because wario and waluigi are always together in spinoffs he must be a wario character
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
when he somehow isn't
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
where is my wario & waluigi rpg
<turb> 
add him to wario games you cowards
<_2257> 
well
<smasher> 
i WISH he was a wario character
<turb> 
put daisy in super princess peach 2
<_2257> 
are we putting birdo on favorite yoshi character
<smasher> 
i doubt it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
she's not suggested yet
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but let's go over the few characters we have for wario
<Gabumon> 
ok, but if he appears a lot again this year, we should probably include him then
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Lulu" to M6 Favorite Wario Character? (y/n/a)
<Gabumon> 
which wont be relevant since the next time we'll do characters, we'll probably all be gone
<_2257> 
a
<Meta_Knight> 
a
<Pitohui> 
y
<Gabumon> 
a
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<Geeky> 
a
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<turb> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
i dunno much about wario characters
<Meta_Knight> 
or wario games
<smasher> 
she's a pretty notable character in gold
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I like her eyebrows
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Gabumon> 
change to y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
edo i can't be gone in 2022
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
mach speed mayhem won't be done yet
<smasher> 
7-0-3
<Lakituthequick> 
Lulu is the protagonist of Gold more or less
<Geeky> 
From what I looked up she looks cute
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Lulu is added
<Anton{Politoed}> 
next up is a tricky one
<smasher> 
hm?
<Gamefreak75> 
i think it's 5-volt
<Gabumon> 
wario man
<Gamefreak75> 
since we don't know if we should shove her with 9-volt
<turb> 
wario deluxe
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
you know
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
about that, i had a thought
<turb> 
wario man was better than wario deluxe ngl
<Gamefreak75> 
i'd legit want wario deluxe just because he has great music
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Regarding 5-Volt, (1) add as a separate nominee, (2) add in a group with 9-Volt & 18-Volt, (3) do not add, (4) other that I haven't thought of? (1/2/3/4/a)
<Gamefreak75> 
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we shoved 9-volt and 18-volt together because they're always together, right? like how dribble and spitz host together
<_2257> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
ashley and red host together
<turb> 
1
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
etc
<Geeky> 
2
<turb> 
5-volt hosts alone
<smasher> 
4
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
buuut in gold, they're split up
<Pitohui> 
1
<Lakituthequick> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
9-volt and 18-volt get their own things
<smasher> 
split 18 volt up as well
<Gabumon> 
if she hosts alone, then 1
<smasher> 
i said this in the thread
<turb> 
i think we should talk about splitting 9 and 18 volt later
<Raregold> 
2
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
ok
<smasher> 
fair
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
then just 1 for now
<Gamefreak75> 
it's weird because up until gold 9-volt and 18-volt hosted together
<smasher> 
1
<Gamefreak75> 
then in wwg they have their own set of minigames for each of them
<turb> 
imo it's best to have 5 volt as her own nominee since she hosts her own set of microgames, which while thematically similar to 9 volt's are definitely separate
<Gamefreak75> 
so idk if that warrants enough to split or not
<turb> 
yeah that's the thing
<turb> 
they're together for most of the series
<turb> 
so it's a little weird
<Gamefreak75> 
anyways 1
<turb> 
but not waht we're voting on rn so i guess it can be brought up after
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah
<smasher> 
i forgot how to count bros
<smasher> 
hold on
<smasher> 
6-2-0-0-2?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
5-Volt will be added separately
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
aight, so
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
my view on 9 and 18 is
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Split "9-Volt & 18-Volt" into two separate nominees? (y/n/a)
<_2257> 
y
<Gabumon> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
since gold is the most recent game i'd lean towards splitting them, since it's a new way forward
<smasher> 
y, personally
<Pitohui> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
if the next warioware game recombines them
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we can revisit it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so y
<turb> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also none of the other combo nominees host separately in gold so
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd say we don't need to visit any of them
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
this is a unique case
<turb> 
yeah dribble and spitz and ashley and red are all together
<Geeky> 
a
<turb> 
my boy 18 volt out there becoming independent
<_2257> 
red is actually a part of ashley's body
<Lakituthequick> 
Ashley and Red are still a duo right
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yep
<_2257> 
xso they cant be split up
<turb> 
yeah ltq
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this brings us to 17 nominees
<Gabumon> 
count cannoli
<smasher> 
8-0-2
<turb> 
red is the horcrux
<smasher> 
im proud of my man 18 volt
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd be down for cutting shake king since i have an idea i want to mention
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but not one i;m super dedicated to
<Anton{Politoed}> 
next vote is waluigi, so
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh ok
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Waluigi" to M6 Favorite Wario Character? (y/n/a)
<smasher> 
im not fully against cutting shake king but im not invested in it either
<_2257> 
n
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
n
<turb> 
n
<Pitohui> 
n
<Lakituthequick> 
n
<smasher> 
ehhhh n
<Gabumon> 
a
<Gamefreak75> 
it pains me to say this.......but n
<smasher> 
doesn't count imo
<Raregold> 
n
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
someday we'll be able to say y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but not yet
<smasher> 
0-7-1
<Gamefreak75> 
;_;
<smasher> 
god i hope so
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's always a home for him in M12
<Anton{Politoed}> 
maybe one day, M11
<smasher> 
make waluigi a microgame host
<smasher> 
this is all i want in life
<Geeky> 
a
<Anton{Politoed}> 
should he ever gain some kind of notable role in a wario game I'll assume he's an instant-add
<Gamefreak75> 
make wario world 2 with waluigi as an alternate playable character
<turb> 
yeah, thats fair
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
pretty much
<smasher> 
oh absolutely
<Anton{Politoed}> 
blocky what was your idea
<Gamefreak75> 
nintendo please you will sell at least one copy
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i wanted to mention 13-Amp, she's not major from what i know but i think she's kinda popular? so throw the idea out there and see what people think
<smasher> 
she's part of 18 volts stage for those unfamiliar with her
<Anton{Politoed}> 
she has steven universe lips
<Gamefreak75> 
i think she's too minor imo
<turb> 
i'd rather add cannoli
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
fine by m
<Gamefreak75> 
i'd rather add cannoli
<Gamefreak75> 
yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
*me
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd be down for adding cannoli
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we can see how she performs
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
let master of disguise finally rise
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as a write-in that is
<turb> 
cannoli literally seems to be more relevant than the shake king is in his game lol
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
he is
<Pitohui> 
Yeah, I don't think she has a large enough role/is well-known enough, but we can see with write-ins
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
cannoli keeps Doing Things all game
<Gamefreak75> 
cannoli will get at least 4 votes from me
<smasher> 
i thought of something but im not sold on it atm
<Gabumon> 
he has a kickass theme song
<Gamefreak75> 
im glad smash added some wmod content
<smasher> 
im indifferent to count cannoli
<Gamefreak75> 
even as a spirit
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Count Cannoli" to M6 Favorite Wario Character? (y/n/a)
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<Gabumon> 
y
<smasher> 
a
<_2257> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
<Pitohui> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i like how it takes until level 5 of 10
<smasher> 
3-0-3
<turb> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
to hear the "regular" boss theme
<Raregold> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
a
<smasher> 
5-0-4
<Anton{Politoed}> 
count cannoli is count ca-added
<turb> 
:blobmorning:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that brings us to 18
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anything else before we move to M7
<Gamefreak75> 
none from me
<turb> 
do we want to keep the shake king on as we're at the hard limit and not over it
<turb> 
otherwise, i have nothing
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i don't have investment in chopping him if we're not using the space
<turb> 
i don't particularly think it matters if he's not being replaced with waluigi or 13-amp so we can probably just move on
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm not against it but i won't be dying on this hill
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M7 Favorite Yoshi Character will be a fresh and new award and thus has no prior nominees to draw from
<smasher> 
part of me wonders if we should swap him with penny but i doubt either would do well and penny was dropped before so shrugs
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
huh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hang on, lemme go see something
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Yoshis, Kamek, Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, Baby Bowser, Stork, Poochy, Spirit Who Loves Surprises, Burt the Bashful, Naval Piranha, Raphael the Raven
<Anton{Politoed}> 
is the working list we have so far
<Anton{Politoed}> 
note that "Yoshis" is plural, being that there is no individual Yoshi character
<Gabumon> 
cute shy guy with a knife?
<smasher> 
only mentioned her because she's a host in gold again
<turb> 
is the spirit who loves surprises more important than the other spirits
<smasher> 
im indifferent to the spirit but that's a good starting list
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
same a ssmasher
<Anton{Politoed}> 
:shrug:
<smasher> 
ive never played his game so idk
<Gamefreak75> 
idk did anyone her play topsy turvy lol
<Gamefreak75> 
here
<turb> 
After the great spirit Hongo locks away Yoshi's Island in the Forbidden Pop-Up Book to stop Bowser rampaging, he fired his assistant the Spirit Who Loves Surprises for speaking against the action.
<_2257> 
i did
<_2257> 
the spirits were 100% forgettable, like everything else in the game
<smasher> 
rip
<Gamefreak75> 
is there one god spirit
<_2257> 
id expect them to get approximately 2 votes collectively
<smasher> 
i don't know if he's needed then
<turb> 
apparently the spirit who loves surprises is the one who gives the gravity power
<Gamefreak75> 
i mean im fine with keeping him on there
<Gamefreak75> 
theres enough room
<Gamefreak75> 
i doubt we're going to reach the max limit on yoshi character unless we start scraping bottom of the barrel
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm expecting this to be a pretty top-heavy award
<Pitohui> 
Spirit Who Loves Surprises has more proactive role in the story and tests you with a boss battle (against cardboard Bowser) but I still don't expect him to get many votes
<Gabumon> 
let's add pak e derm just for the hell of it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
with the upper 3 or 4 getting a solid 80% of all votes
<turb> 
also yeah
<Gamefreak75> 
yoshis are just gonna curbstomp
<turb> 
im not really about to fight the existence of him on the award
<turb> 
if we have space
<turb> 
i want pak e derm as a meme option though
<Gamefreak75> 
pak e derm and cloud n candy meme options
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm okay with meming
<smasher> 
id be more likely to care about pak e derm than spirits
<turb> 
i literally know more about pak e derm than a character who is relevant to the plot of yoshi's topsy turvy and has speaking lines
<smasher> 
people actually played yoshis story
<smasher> 
that's the thing
<Anton{Politoed}> 
is pak e derm different than any other regular level enemy
<Pitohui> 
Pak E Derm's a reasonable option
<Gabumon> 
iirc he has a spirit in smash
<turb> 
<Gabumon> 
or maybe I hallucinated it
<smasher> 
he does
<_2257> 
its from level 1 and is more of an obstacle or puzzle than an enemy
<Gamefreak75> 
he does
<Gabumon> 
actually no I didnt
<turb> 
he's got a spirit and stage appearances in smash, but he is notable as being a unique hazard in yoshi's story
<Gabumon> 
hes in that fight where the enemy spawns alolan exeggutor
<Anton{Politoed}> 
i mean there's only 11 nominees right now so I can just shoehorn him in
<Anton{Politoed}> 
worst that'll happen is we get goofy write-ins that are like "who the fuck would vote for pak e derm???"
<Gabumon> 
look man
<smasher> 
if we really want a yoshis story specific character he's deadass probably the most noteworthy option
<Gabumon> 
hes an elephant with a big pole that has a sign with a hand on it
<Gamefreak75> 
cloud n candy
<Gabumon> 
I'd say that is mariowiki awards material
<turb> 
i love pak e derm
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what are some thoughts & considerations re: the other babies and other bosses
<Gamefreak75> 
they shouldnt exist
<Pitohui> 
Being in the first level actually helps add to his notability, honestly
<turb> 
i feel like baby mario and luigi are the most relevant ones
<turb> 
and baby bowser
<smasher> 
baby peach is the only other baby id consider
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
no other boss comes to mind as being really notable except MAAAAYBE a couple of the ones who also appeared in tetris attack
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
let me go check
<turb> 
like we could add the yids babies but none of them are that important
<smasher> 
but idk about her
<Gabumon> 
lets not add prince froggy
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so that'd be Hookbill the Koopa
<turb> 
naval piranha was in tetris attack as well as hookbill
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and that's about it
<smasher> 
is she connected with yoshi enough
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Gamefreak75> 
add nep e nut
<Anton{Politoed}> 
how about any of these peeps
<turb> 
hookbill may be relevant enough but idk
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
"In the years following Tetris Attack's release, Henk Rodgers of The Tetris Company has stated that he regrets granting Nintendo permission to use the term "Tetris" in the game's title." brutal
<turb> 
im pretty sure he said that because he was upset that the game couldn't be appreciated on its own merits
<Gamefreak75> 
none of those seem too important
<turb> 
and instead everyone was like "hhhhhhh tetris"
<Gamefreak75> 
and we have poochy in here already
<turb> 
also yeah
<turb> 
unless we add the poochy pups as plural
<turb> 
because yoshis are also plural
<Gamefreak75> 
like....the blockafeller is the one i can see being added
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
"HR: It was a good game! But the game should have had its own life, its own name." oh you're right
<smasher> 
blockafellas and poochy pups are maybes but hghghhhh
<Gamefreak75> 
but thats a stretch
<Uniju> 
i would regret it too if i was complicit in getting cute girls taken out of a game
<Pitohui> 
If we're doing Yoshis plural it would be fine for Poochy Pups
<smasher> 
i wish lip was known in the us
<Pitohui> 
Don't really think the Blockafellers are relevant enough to be added
<smasher> 
i like her
<Gamefreak75> 
poochy pups may as well be items tbh
<Gamefreak75> 
from what i can tell
<turb> 
oh blockafeller is that guy who told me to throw an egg at cows
<turb> 
idk man i'm neutral
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
>blockafeller
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that pun
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I feel like Blockafellers could be up for the favorite species award more than this
<Gamefreak75> 
i havent picked up ycw yet so i have no say in this tho
<Anton{Politoed}> 
where it will likely not win a placement lol
<smasher> 
i have but im like 6 levels in
<smasher> 
it hasn't hooked me like ww did
<smasher> 
tragically
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the visuals made me gay
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but the gameplay itself is eh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
retroactively?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
yes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm gay for arts & crafts aesthetics
<turb> 
i honestly feel like its a lot better than yww from the one level of the demo i played
<_2257> 
im still pulling for cute and dangerous shy guy with a knife
<turb> 
but that's neither here nor there
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i agree with 22
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anyways it seems we have a solid list with:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Yoshis, Kamek, Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, Baby Bowser, Stork, Poochy, Spirit Who Loves Surprises, Burt the Bashful, Naval Piranha, Raphael the Raven, Pak E. Derm
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Accept that list? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
I feel like we could vote on the poochy pups if needed, but as is the list we have rn is fine
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
dope
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<turb> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<Geeky> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<Gabumon> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<smasher> 
im so proud of pak e derm
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<smasher> 
10-0-0
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anything else pressing or expressly desired for M7?
<_2257> 
(but i think cute and dangerous shy guy with a knife would get more votes than spirit who loves surprises)
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<smasher> 
11-0-0
<Gabumon> 
I support CaDSGwaK
<Anton{Politoed}> 
next up is finishing up M8 Favorite Art Style, which we discussed a couple points on in here https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=40873.0
<Lakituthequick> 
I like how that's somewhat pronounceable
<Anton{Politoed}> 
splitting up 2D Promotional style didn't seem to gain any traction so I won't pursue that unless someone REALLY wants me to
<Gabumon> 
nay
<smasher> 
i don't have a strong opinion on this stuff
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the other was the Kinopio-kun calendars as a collective https://www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Kinopio-kun#Monthly_calendar_wallpapers
<Gabumon> 
yay
<Anton{Politoed}> 
while they each have different styles, as a group they are distinctive and unique apart from other games and promos
<Anton{Politoed}> 
they are cohesive in that each one is unique
<turb> 
I like edo's post about the different styles coming together to be one unique thing yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
slice of life toad existing in different art styles also makes me gay
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Kinopio-kun Monthly Calendar Wallpaper styles" to M8 Favorite Art Style? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<smasher> 
a
<_2257> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<Gabumon> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<smasher> 
6-0-1
<Uniju> 
y
<Anton{Politoed}> 
note that "styles" is plural, unless people protest
<Raregold> 
y
<smasher> 
i almost counted that vote
<smasher> 
7-0-1
<Lakituthequick> 
I do think that the first letters of the non-first-words can be lowercase
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<smasher> 
8-0-1
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's "Main series 3D style" and "2D Promotional Artwork style" which seem to differ
<Anton{Politoed}> 
in terms of capitalization
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we'll inevitably have to cover this so why not now
<Lakituthequick> 
Heh
<Anton{Politoed}> 
which method is preferable
<Gabumon> 
second
<Gabumon> 
uhh
<Gabumon> 
no wait
<Gabumon> 
first
<turb> 
first is fine
<smasher> 
i prefer first
<_2257> 
a
<turb> 
I'm pretty sure we went with removing most of the unnecessary capitalization on shit in the other nominees
<smasher> 
we did yeah
<Lakituthequick> 
Without capitals yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
first would result in "Kinopio-kun monthly calendar wallpaper styles" and also switch over to "2D promotional artwork style"
<Gabumon> 
yes, that
<Lakituthequick> 
yes
<smasher> 
that's fine
<turb> 
i like it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm fine with it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the german in me just likes to capitalize everything
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but I have changed them in the full list
<smasher> 
that's too bad
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i understand, anton
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i capitalize it all myself as well
<turb> 
I always want to because i'm like "that looks really official"
<turb> 
but it's probably better stylistically not to
<Gabumon> 
I take Offense to that
<smasher> 
yeah per turb
<Lakituthequick> 
mid-sentence capitals generally only annoy me
<Gabumon> 
Actually, Since I'm Already Typing In Green, Maybe I Should Write Like This
Anton{Politoed} swoons
<Gabumon> 
I'm Sure That Won't Reawaken Any Painful Memories
<Lakituthequick> 
if used for things that are not names
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anyways time to tread new ground :clap:
<turb> 
homestuck leave this place
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M9 Favorite Add-on Content (The Legend of Zelda × Mario Kart 8, Animal Crossing × Mario Kart 8, Mercedes-Benz × Mario Kart 8, New Super Luigi U, Peach's Castle stage (SSB4), Super Mario Maker stage (SSB4), Super Mario Mash-Up Pack (Minecraft), Luigi’s Balloon World (SMO), Yoshi's Island Zone (Sonic Lost World), e-Reader Levels (SMA4:SMB3), Pixel Pack (M+RKB),
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Season Pass (M+RKB))
<Anton{Politoed}> 
in my notes it just says "update", so
<turb> 
is piranha plant relevant to this
<Anton{Politoed}> 
has new shit come out
<Meta_Knight> 
we cut smash bros stuff so we should probably keep it separate
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd say no
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh wait
<Lakituthequick> 
smash 5 piranha plant?
<Gamefreak75> 
iit doesnt
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we do count smash DLC
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
count plant
<Lakituthequick> 
Or is that an update which doesn't count
<turb> 
i literally have no idea what's relevant to this otherwise since I'm not sure what else has had released dlc
<turb> 
i should check that category
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
either we count plant in ultimate, or we cut SSB4 dlc
<Lord_Bowser> 
captain toad just had dlc
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M9 - Favorite Add-on Content - The best Mario-relevant software package that adds new content to a game. To qualify, the content must be non-essential for the core game and add one or more distinct, recognizable elements to it. This does not include minor patches, code updates, or bug fixes.
<turb> 
also, I believe that plant is relevant since smash dlc was counted when it was relevant to mario
<turb> 
captain toad is a good mention
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
captain toad works
<Gamefreak75> 
yeah just auto-add captain toad dlc imo
<smasher> 
i support captain toad and piranha plant
<turb> 
piranha plant is non-essential, since while it was given out for free to previous owners it isn't anymore
<turb> 
and he's also distinct and recognizable and a very good boy
<_2257> 
was piranha plant something you had to pay extra for
<turb> 
i love plant
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what's the captain toad dlc
<turb> 
you have to pay extra for plant now
<smasher> 
special episode
<turb> 
but it was free beforehand
<smasher> 
i think it's called
<Lakituthequick> 
<turb> 
the mercedes benz dlc is counted while being perma-free
<Lord_Bowser> 
could we arguably add the upcoming vr stuff for odyssey
<smasher> 
its a bunch of extra levels and missions
<turb> 
is that going to be released before awards
<turb> 
i didn't pay attention to the date
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so "Special Episode (CT:TT)"
<Lord_Bowser> 
says by april 25
<Pitohui> 
April 25
<Lord_Bowser> 
so yes
<smasher> 
maybe then
<smasher> 
idk what it is really
<Pitohui> 
Odyssey VR adds some new mini-missions so I think it would count
<turb> 
Special Episode (CT:TT) seems right
<turb> 
it's only for the switch version afaik but that shouldn't need to be identified
<Gamefreak75> 
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
how 2 word
<Gamefreak75> 
Labo Compatibility maybe?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
luncheon kingdom 🙅
<Gamefreak75> 
Labo Compatibility (SMO)
<Lakituthequick> 
<Gamefreak75> 
and yeah wooden and sand got robbed
<Lakituthequick> 
header is called "Nintendo Labo VR" on SMO's page
<Lakituthequick> 
so "Nintendo Labo VR (SMO)"?
<Gamefreak75> 
yeah
<smasher> 
of all the kingdoms they could have picked
<Lakituthequick> 
Don't think it has an official name (yet)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
sure
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll keep it highlighted on the list for when it comes out and something official may present itself
<smasher> 
anyway that sounds fine since it'll come out in time
<turb> 
that's under 20 days away
<turb> 
phew
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what about Piranha Plant
<smasher> 
add it
<turb> 
Piranha Plant (SSBU)
<Pitohui> 
I'd say add it
<smasher> 
there are smash mario stages and it's dlc
<smasher> 
so
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's on the dlc page so y for me
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<turb> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
yeah, it qualifies as optional later added content
<turb> 
finally, dlc i feel strongly enough about to put a passionate vote behind
<Pitohui> 
y
<smasher> 
finally, some good fucking dlc
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anything else?
<smasher> 
naw
<Gamefreak75> 
no
<turb> 
nah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
no
<smasher> 
i can't think of any other mario dlc
<Anton{Politoed}> 
next up is a doozy, M10 Favorite Song
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we only have 15 minutes left so I'm gonna just introduce it and then offload discussion for it onto the forum
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd like to put forward a proposal
<Gabumon> 
mario singing in the shower in superstar saga
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
last year, we defined this as a vocals only award
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
the writeins massively disagreed and we got a lot of instrumental write-ins
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i feel like we should split this award, creating a Favorite Instrumental Track award and Favorite Vocal Song award
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and conisdering the size yeah lob it all onto the forums for nominees
<Gamefreak75> 
luigi humming the luigi's mansion theme (luigi's mansion)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
*M10 Favorite Song - Allow instrumental songs? Favorite Instrumental and Favorite Vocal
<Anton{Politoed}> 
is what I had proposed in general discussion as a vague idea
<Anton{Politoed}> 
doing so would require several things:
<Gabumon> 
I oppose allowing instrumental songs
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i think directly comparing instrumental music and vocal songs is kind of an apples and oranges thing, which is why i'd rather break them apart
<Gabumon> 
and cautiously support splitting
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and evaluate instrumentals on their own merits
<Anton{Politoed}> 
-updating the Favorite Vocal nominees
<smasher> 
im ok with a favorite instrumental award
<Gabumon> 
if we can agree on an award to be axed for it
<turb> 
i'd rather support splitting as well
<Anton{Politoed}> 
-generating Favorite Instrumental list
<Anton{Politoed}> 
-removing another award to make room
<Pitohui> 
It makes more sense to try and split it than it does to mix the two
<smasher> 
id rather not include the two together yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
with regards to removing
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
this is way ahead of time so this is NOT formal proposal but
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i imagine we can probably lop one of the odyssey-speciifc awards out to make room
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that is possible
<smasher> 
very feasible
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Favorite Capture still may be unique enough, and Favorite Costume has updated within the last year, though, and may remain fresh enough
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hmm
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
well, discussion for later
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's also Crafted World with yoshi costumes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but those are less notable than odyssey costumes
<turb> 
I considered bringing up an odyssey award as well yeah
<smasher> 
don't diss my friend red roofed house
<Gamefreak75> 
puzzle piece lake kingdom best capture
<turb> 
i understand this is tentative, but i'd lean towards capture if only because i feel the results will remain stagnant and favorite costume has had the introduction of dlc costumes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so is the decision right now to skip M10 until we find an award soft enough to perhaps remove and make a debate for the split decision even viable in the first place?
<turb> 
that's something i'll bring up again if either of the awards are officially(tm) on the chopping block
<turb> 
yeah probably
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hmmm
<turb> 
it might be best to make an all-encompassing forum thread for that
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd say it's better that way
<smasher> 
most likely
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as I think it'd seem a bit pre-emptive to dig into debate on this and not even have room for it in the end
<turb> 
yeah
<Gabumon> 
I have a presumably unpopular idea
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hit me
<Gabumon> 
how about
<smasher> 
uh oh
<Gabumon> 
we kill hardest boss
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm for it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
intriguing
<turb> 
I'd be fine with it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
continue
<Gabumon> 
on the following grounds:
<smasher> 
shrugs
<Gabumon> 
we already have favorite boss battle
<Gabumon> 
and
<Gabumon> 
the mario series isnt really known for having hard boss fights
<turb> 
hardest boss was absolutely always weaker than favorite boss battle
<Lakituthequick> 
heard mixed stuff about that including that being hard is not necessarily a good thing so
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it really w
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
*was
<smasher> 
its true
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i think hardest only stayed on through sheer around-since-2007 momentum
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there was a suggestion from chat about a Best Villain award that I at the very least put in my notes as a possible alternative to Hardest Boss
<smasher> 
in really the odyssey ones are probably more interesting anyway
<Anton{Politoed}> 
not that I'm pushing for it or that it's developed, but it's in the field
<smasher> 
shrugs
<Pitohui> 
Hardest boss is weaker than Favorite Boss Battle so I could see grounds for removing it
<turb> 
i think best villain works as an alternative to favorite boss battle for like
<turb> 
villains that are well written but don't have the greatest boss fights
<smasher> 
"in really" in reality
<Gabumon> 
anyway, I think if we need room for more awards, this is one we should consider for the chopping block
<turb> 
but i'd rather use the space to split the song awards first and foremost
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i kind of still want to cut capture as well (since it's very static) but not costume, but hardest boss finally getting the ax is a good idea
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so I'll say we're skipping M10 for now, going through the rest of Mario Awards, and pick out which ones we can remove, and then go back to find ways to fill it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
sounds good
<turb> 
sounds good
<smasher> 
i think im up for killing hardest boss yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and if there's nothing to fill, then that makes the decision for M10 as simple as make vocal tracks only and change the name to reflect it
<smasher> 
sounds good
<Pitohui> 
That all sounds reasonable
<Lakituthequick> 
agreed
<turb> 
i'm good with the proposed suggestion for m10 re: no cuts as well
<smasher> 
do we have time for one more
<Anton{Politoed}> 
a few more
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
let's go
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M11 Favorite Major Character (Mario, Luigi, Princess Peach, Yoshi, Wario, Donkey Kong, Bowser, Rosalina, Bowser Jr., Toad)
<turb> 
skip
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
no change
<smasher> 
neat
<smasher> 
skip
<Pitohui> 
No changes
<Geeky> 
I think it's fine as is
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
well except for the obvious change of adding poochy
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but other than that
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
(in seriousness no change)
<Gabumon> 
one question
<smasher> 
no dogs
<turb> 
poochy is almost major now really
<Lord_Bowser> 
replace every nominee with bowser
<Lord_Bowser> 
no one else matters
<Gabumon> 
is rosalina still relevant
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that's a good question
<turb> 
i feel she's about as relevant as most of the others, but it is debatable
<turb> 
because basically everyone else either has their own series, was in odyssey, or is bowser
<smasher> 
trying to think of if she's in anything beyond smash and spinoffs
<turb> 
she was in 3d world
<Lord_Bowser> 
id say shes relevant enough
<Lakituthequick> 
she ended up in the concept art of smo at least
<smasher> 
as of more recently i meant
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
in fairness
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
rosalina had odyssey concept material
<_2257> 
bowser jr wasnt in odyssey either was he
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh ltq said so
<turb> 
no
<turb> 
so i feel that if rosalina is debatable bowser jr is also debatable
<turb> 
possibly more so, as i don't think he was in 3d world or odyssey
<Lord_Bowser> 
yeah id argue bowser jr is much less relevant than rosalina atm
<Gabumon> 
id say its about the same
<smasher> 
they're about the same
<Gabumon> 
I'll have to look into the concept material
<_2257> 
bowser was at least in mario & rabbids
<_2257> 
err
<_2257> 
bowser jr
<turb> 
oh was he
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Demote Rosalina from M11 Favorite Major Character to M12 Favorite Supporting Character? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
was rosalina not
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
n
<turb> 
n
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
not this year
<Pitohui> 
n
<Lakituthequick> 
a
<Gamefreak75> 
n
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
if she's still out of focus next year, reconsider
<smasher> 
n for now
<Gabumon> 
a for now
<Geeky> 
a
<_2257> 
a
<smasher> 
0-5-4
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll keep an eye on it for next year
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if Rosalina is safe, then Bowser Jr. is too
<turb> 
yeah i'm absolutely up for revisiting it next year
<Pitohui> 
I'd be more open to it if she continues to miss out on a major titles, but it might, like Bowser Jr., be shorter periods of more or less appearances
<Meta_Knight> 
n
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M12 Favorite Supporting Character (Princess Daisy, Waluigi, Toadsworth, Diddy Kong, Professor E. Gadd, Toadette, Captain Toad, Birdo, Kamek, Poochy, Pauline, Cappy)
<smasher> 
yeah im against cutting junior for now too
<turb> 
probably skip
<Anton{Politoed}> 
11) Toadsworth — 43 — 2.48% 12) Birdo — 38 — 2.19% 13) O. Fawful — 5 — 0.29%
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
skip, i'd say
<smasher> 
nothing pressing immediately comes to mind
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not really inclined to do much
<Meta_Knight> 
im okay with skipping
<smasher> 
i think we can skip
 
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<Gabumon> 
im ok with adding toadsworth
<Pitohui> 
Yeah, I can't think of any additions or changes
<_2257> 
hes on already
 
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<Gabumon> 
oh
<smasher> 
he's there
<_2257> 
fawful is the first one whos not
<Gabumon> 
sorry I am blind
<smasher> 
smh
<Gabumon> 
I thought there was an O
<_2257> 
do not shake your head at my husband or ill remove it >:(
<Geeky> 
I think the list looks good as is
<smasher> 
fawful is the highest writein
<smasher> 
i don't want to add him though
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
5 is nowhere near enough
Gabumon shakes smasher's head
<turb> 
honestly fellas
<turb> 
fawful not being relevant anymore is the best thing thats happened to my life
smasher violently explodes, destroying everything
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright well time is up! we got through at least the loose ends from last meeting, just in time to make some loose ends from this one
<turb> 
:clap:
<smasher> 
:neat:
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
[s]i'm ready to go for an extra half hour[/s]
<turb> 
in seriousness 5 wasn't enough so yeah
<turb> 
i think we at least left loose ends that can be shat out onto the forums
<smasher> 
i could legit but i know people have lives
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll make a thread tomorrow for M10 Favorite Song should people want to proactively work on a potential split, or at least work on renovating it to Favorite Vocal Song
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and sometime this week I'll proliferate information regarding the retirement of tokens and prizes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
next week we'll continue chugging along starting with M13 and moving forward, keeping a special eye out for weak awards that could be removed with no quota in mind
<Anton{Politoed}> 
could be 1, could be 2, could be the rest of M13-30
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and we'll then replace as needed
<smasher> 
rest in piss tokens
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
anton
<turb> 
15 mario awards
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
how did you know that i was ready to cut the entire rest of the mario awards
<Anton{Politoed}> 
i'm psychic
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
actually
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
who wants
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
AWARDS TRIVIA
 
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<Pitohui> 
Let
<Lakituthequick> 
trivia is always neat
<Pitohui> 
's hear it Perch
<smasher> 
i miss first meeting hype
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
<smasher> 
its not 2018 anymore
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
the number of awards that have remained completely unchanged since 2007
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
is, by my count
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
7 out of 30
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's not 2018 but it was 2018's ceremony that was excellent
<Gabumon> 
Oh, I Guess While I'm Still Here, Does Anyone Here Desire An Auspistice
<Gabumon> 
I Am Very Available, If You Know What I Mean
<smasher> 
oh, i misread the thing
<Gabumon> 
Wink Wink Or Something
<_2257> 
kanaya didnt use punctuation marks
<smasher> 
ill change it back
<Gabumon> 
Drat
 
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<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh wait, six
<smasher> 
i thought it said committee
<smasher> 
now i am the blind one
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
favorite mario kart game, favorite mario rpg, favorite sports game, favorite mario party game, favorite minor character, and hardest boss
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and edo
<Gabumon> 
How The Turns Have Turntabled
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
wants to cut that number down to 5
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
brave man
<Gabumon> 
I Live To Disappoint