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<Anton{Politoed}> 
7 is not enough
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
8 is enough
<Meta_Knight> 
anyway im here
<turb> 
hopefully more people are just late and didn't mention it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
with smasher's arrival we can officially start the meeting
<turb> 
i know pitohui is coming in later
<turb> 
gr8
<smasher> 
hi im gay
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hi gay i'm perch
<Lakituthequick> 
I had to ignore a security warning for irc.darkmyst.com to get here, that may be an issue
<smasher> 
sorry i thought this was connected
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also i know rose is going to be late too
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
not sure about anyone else
 
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<turb> 
it's supposed to be .org
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so today is pretty simple in regards of what we're doing
<Lakituthequick> 
yeah, .org, sorry
<turb> 
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<turb> 
it's not a big deal, i was just wondering if the .com was why you had the error lol
<Anton{Politoed}> 
while M10 ruminates on the forum, we will continue with the Mario Awards, going where we left off at M13
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M13 Favorite Level Theme (Grassland, Desert, Snow/Ice, Mountain, Underground, Beach, Sky, Jungle, Space/Moon, Fire/Lava, Ghost House, Underwater, Castle, Airship, Factory/Industrial, Carnival, City/Town, Food/Sweets)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
my only note is Update, as is the same for pretty much the rest through M30
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Underwater — 24 — 1.53%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) Desert — 19 — 1.21%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Japanese — 6 — 0.38%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Rainbow Road — 3 — 0.19%
<smasher> 
is there a pressing need to replace anything
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not exactly convinced to swap out any nominees for write-ins, so the only considerations are if there's any new wild and crazy level theme from new games
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm fine with skipping, i can't really think of any new big themes that got introduced
<Meta_Knight> 
is this for only mario games
<Meta_Knight> 
because like
<Meta_Knight> 
actually nvm
<smasher> 
i can't think of a replacement so im up for skipping
<turb> 
this has been updated to coincide with odyssey already i assume
<_2257> 
is yoshis crafted world al evel theme
<Meta_Knight> 
no
<turb> 
i can't think of anything that's been introduced in anything else
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah, that was last year
<turb> 
uh i dunno
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
city/town and food/sweets both got on because of odyssey
<turb> 
i dont think so though
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also i'd say no
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm sure we can find a way to shove it in
<turb> 
yeah city/townw as what i was thinking of
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
since the cardboard nature is a game theme overall
<turb> 
if we want to shove it in i'm not opposed
<Meta_Knight> 
i was about to say like a general artsy world but thats basically the whole game and also more of an art style than a level theme
<Anton{Politoed}> 
since apparently Yoshi's Story is of the same theme
<turb> 
but i did assume this was for individual worlds/levels
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but yeah art style
<turb> 
it's more of an art style
<Gamefreak75> 
i feel ycw and ys are more aesthetic
<Gamefreak75> 
than level theme
<Gamefreak75> 
which is already encapsulated by art style
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if that's it for m13, we can move on
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i've got nothing to add
<smasher> 
i agree with gamefreak
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M14 Favorite Species (Goombas, Koopa Troopas, Boos, Shy Guys, Chain Chomps, Bob-ombs, Dry Bones, Hammer Bros., Wigglers, Chargin' Chucks, Yoshis, Toads, Lumas, Magikoopas, Pokios, Tostarenans, Humans, Bonneters)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) Pokios — 28 — 1.69%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) Chargin' Chucks — 21 — 1.26%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Lakitus — 6 — 0.36%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Beanish — 5 — 0.30%
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i didn't play crafted world but there was an enemy type people mentioned from that, right
<Gamefreak75> 
blockafellas or something
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah those
<Gamefreak75> 
but i dont think theyre major enough or anything imo
<turb> 
those are supporting npcs but yeah
<turb> 
idk how prominent they are
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Gamefreak75> 
at least, not in the sense i see someone ovting them
<turb> 
is poochy technically a species now
<Anton{Politoed}> 
they don't really do anything other than put a face on a roadblock
<Gamefreak75> 
i guess we can replace chargin chuck with it?
<Gamefreak75> 
if people want to
<Gamefreak75> 
i'm indifferent either way
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i;m neutral on blockafeller
<turb> 
i don't feel like the voting gap is big enough
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and as for poochy, let me go see something
<smasher> 
i don't think blockafellas are needed
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
currently outside of yoshi/yoshis
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we don't have any overlap between main/supporting and this
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
though if we wanted to add the poochy pups, specifically, i think that could fit
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I don't really want to try to shoehorn poochy in on a technicality
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the poochy pups don't do shit either
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
alright
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
sounds like this is a No Change, then?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
crafted world didn't exactly give us more usable material aside from it being a pretty game
<smasher> 
skip
<Gamefreak75> 
skip
<turb> 
yeah it was more throwing it out there
<turb> 
i'd say skip
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
skip
<Anton{Politoed}> 
when's lm3
<Gamefreak75> 
soon hopefully
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
Eventually (TM)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M15 Hardest Boss (Shadow Queen, Bonetail, Cackletta's Soul, Culex, Elder Princess Shroob, Bowser (PM), Bowser X (M&L:BIS), Smithy, The Master (Final Form), Dreamy Bowser, Phantamanta, Boolossus, Kamek and Paper Kamek, Knucklotec (Rematch))
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's been talk to replace this award with the other song entry
<Gamefreak75> 
this is the one we're phasing out
<Gamefreak75> 
yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm fine with killing this
<smasher> 
is this where we commit murder
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
favorite booss is basically this, but better
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
*boss
<turb> 
yeah i wanna delete this
<smasher> 
as i said on the forum earlier i support giving this one the axe
<Lakituthequick> 
per
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's redundancy with favorite boss battle yeah, and also talk that mario games aren't really known for their difficulty, so it's an awkward thing to highlight
<Meta_Knight> 
hardest boss feels pretty outdated
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we've got like the bare minimum of people for a vote but I suppose if anyone is violently opposed to this decision they can read the logs and speak up and also travel back in tmie to participate more in the last 2 meetings we talked about this
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Remove "Hardest Boss" as M15? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<_2257> 
a
<Geeky> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh, by the way
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
you probably already beat me to the punch on planning this but
<turb> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i feel we should keep the music awards together
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i.e. make instrumental m11, and then shift the current m11-m14 down one
<smasher> 
y
<smasher> 
also agree
<smasher> 
6-0-2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I've thought about it but it would make the historical results pretty assy, and we scramble the presentations anyways
<smasher> 
oh ok
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
fair
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
it worked out nicely for M5-7, 25-26, and F2-4, but perhaps this time we can just grit our teeth
<smasher> 
raregold say y we're killing m15
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but anton
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i have no teeth to grit :toad:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
also, Hardest Boss is soft-removed, and we will skip further discussion on it for now as a result
<smasher> 
:wow:
<Geeky> 
okay
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I will update the M10 thread on the boards later to reflect the decision and ramp up that discussion for next meeting
<smasher> 
👌
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there may be other new award ideas brewing so the M10 split isn't set in stone yet, but we'll work on it
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
M16 Favorite Item (Tanooki Suit, Super Leaf (3D games), Super Star, Fire Flower, Mega Mushroom, Metal Cap, Wing Cap, Bullet Bill, Propeller Mushroom, Penguin Suit, Cloud Flower, Cape Feather, Gold Flower, Super Bell, Double Cherry, Super Horn, Mystery Mushroom, Motor Scooter)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
aside from Update, I had a note about this
<Anton{Politoed}> 
22:58 shoutmon honestly it seems goofy to me to have tanooki suit and super leaf (3d games) as separate nominees
<Anton{Politoed}> 
22:58 shoutmon they do the same thing
<Anton{Politoed}> 
22:59 shoutmon so they should either b merged if the vote is supposed to be based on the design of the item OR
<Anton{Politoed}> 
23:00 shoutmon (3d games) should be dropped if its supposed to be based on the the power it gives you
<Anton{Politoed}> 
let's take a look at our current M16 Favorite Item definition
<smasher> 
he has a good point yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M16 - Favorite Item - The most interesting, useful, or otherwise superior item or power-up available in the Mario series.
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
seems like it's power-based to me
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
via that definition
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
"useful" implies involvement of function
<Anton{Politoed}> 
22 you're the person who said this
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what's your stance
<Anton{Politoed}> 
is Super Leaf not in the 3D games a separate power than in the 3D games
<_2257> 
yes
<turb> 
is super leaf just the ears in mario 3
<_2257> 
its complicated
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so we'd be dropping "(3D Games)", but then what about people who would confuse it as a 3d game item anyways and vote for it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
is there anything we can do to prevent that without mucking up a nominee name
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
Super Leaf (Raccoon Mario)?
<_2257> 
in mario 3 theres the racoon leaf that lets you fly, and the tanooki suit that lets you fly and become a statue
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
specify that it's just the version that lets you fly
<_2257> 
in mario 3d land [?] theres the racoon leaf that lets you fly, and the stone leaf that lets you fly andbecome a statue
<_2257> 
but the 3d land version of the leaf also, visually, makes mario wear a racoon fursuit which is what the tanooki suit did in mario 3
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
don't judge him
<_2257> 
and the stone leaf makes him wear the fursuit... and a bandanna i think?
<_2257> 
something like that
<turb> 
this is upsetting because it feels like it serves no purpose other than fucking up this award
<turb> 
also yeah i remember it being a bandana
<turb> 
i don't know
<_2257> 
if you want it to be based on powers
<turb> 
I guess we could merge the two together and then introduce a new nominee which is like, super leaf (2d games) which actually allows flight
<Pitohui> 
But besides the full suit versus the raccoon ears only, there's not a functional difference between SM3D Land Super Leaf and SMB3 Super Leaf
<turb> 
im pretty sure mario 3d land is hovering
<_2257> 
then the super leaf is basically the same item in mario3 and 3d land
<_2257> 
and the tanooki suit is equivalent to the stone leaf
<turb> 
i'm not super eager to introduce a new nominee
<Pitohui> 
They both only give you the power to fly/hover and tail whip
<turb> 
i don't know how big the difference actually is
<_2257> 
if you want it to be based on the design of the item then the super leaf is one item, the tanooki suit is another, and the stone leaf is a third
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
[s]are we sure we can't just cut them both from this award[/s]
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also hmmm
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
in that case
<turb> 
i just know you can't fly across the level in 3d land because it would probably be a lot more broken there than mario 3
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
maybe keep the Super Leaf
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'd prefer based on powers
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and then do Tanooki Suit/Stone Leaf?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and resolve it that way
<turb> 
i think powers would probably be better too
<_2257> 
if you want it to be based on the design of mario, then the super leaf in mario 3 is one item, the tanooki suit in mario3 and the super leaf in 3d land are a second, and the stone leaf is a third
<Pitohui> 
So, I'd almost think it would make sense to keep the Super Leaf but drop the (3D Games) qualifier, and make, like Perch said, the Tanooki Suit and Statue Leaf a combined nominee
<smasher> 
id prefer nintendo to be less confusing with their powerups
<Geeky> 
I agree with Pitohui's and Perch's idea
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright so
<Anton{Politoed}> 
here's what we're gonna do
<smasher> 
abstaining
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Tanooki Suit" and "Super Leaf (3D games)" with "Super Leaf" and "Tanooki Suit/Stone Leaf"? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<turb> 
y
<Geeky> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
a
<smasher> 
a
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<smasher> 
6-0-2
<_2257> 
y
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the deed is done
<smasher> 
7-0-2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and now,
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Motor Scooter — 44 — 2.79%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) Super Horn — 28 — 1.78%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) O. Hammer Suit — 18 — 1.14%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Ice Flower — 13 — 0.83%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and there's also the question of new items
<Anton{Politoed}> 
are there any
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i wouldn't object to adding the hammer suit as our hard-cap nominee assuming we don't need the room for new items
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's pretty memorable
<smasher> 
8-0-2
<smasher> 
im up for wedding hammer suit
<Anton{Politoed}> 
crafted world doesn't look like it has any that are substantially new
<smasher> 
adding
<smasher> 
not wedding
<turb> 
i don't think there's anything very new in crafted world or the spinoffs yeah
<turb> 
other spinoffs that is
<smasher> 
i don't think there's any good picks for crafted world
<turb> 
i still have not played mario and rabbids since last year
<Pitohui> 
Do we legitimately need to consider the Super Crown?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that is... actually a reasonable question
<turb> 
maybe
<Gamefreak75> 
monkaS
<turb> 
it wasn't around for last year's voting cycle at all
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's basically just an extra-fancy super mushroom, is the thing
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but with a powerful meme behind it
<_2257> 
it would probably do well
<turb> 
and i'm sure we'll get a flood of bowsette crown writeins assuming the meme has still held strong to some extent
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i don't think it's been forgotten at all
<Pitohui> 
Does Peachette play differently from Toadette? If so then it's a unique power-up, I should think
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
well there's only room for one more unless we remove something
<Anton{Politoed}> 
re: Super Crown or Hammer Suit
<turb> 
I'd be up for removing the super horn and putting the super crown and hammer suit in tbh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
"In this form, Toadette is able to Double Jump, and can also perform Peach's Floating Jump, identical to how the Flying Squirrel form functions (though she cannot wall cling). Additionally, she automatically gets boosted out of any pits she falls into. However, this works only once; if Peachette attempts this again, she will fall into the pit and lose a life as a result. This effect, and the...
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
...conditions of it, also applies to lava and poisonous water."
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
says she does
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also yeah, i'm fine with cutting super horn
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'
<Pitohui> 
Then I'm for what Turb suggested
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd rather have crown and hammer over horn
<Rose> 
Hi I'm just here to say that I have been unexpectedly thrust into the responsibility of watching a small child so I can't make it, at least for a long while
<Anton{Politoed}> 
devour the child
<_2257> 
super acorn/super crown
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hi rose, congratulations on fatherhood
<Rose> 
Tempting
<Geeky> 
I'm also in favor of what Turb suggested
<Rose> 
Thank you
<smasher> 
ok i forgot about bowsette crown
<Rose> 
Good luck with the meeting
<smasher> 
add it and kill horn
<turb> 
is the super acorn the same thing but for the different playable characters
<_2257> 
idontknow
<smasher> 
good luck rose
<_2257> 
thats what that description seems to imply
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
looking at it
<smasher> 
enjoy fatherhood
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yes
<_2257> 
ive neverplayed thegame
<Geeky> 
Have fun, Rose
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
except with an added one pit survival
<_2257> 
oh
<turb> 
if the super acorn gives the same powers we can probably merge them but vOv
<Anton{Politoed}> 
"controlling identically to the Flying Squirrel form (without the wall-clinging ability)."
<smasher> 
idk what the acorn id
<Anton{Politoed}> 
wall-cling is a critical part, different items
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
works for me
<turb> 
just add the crown then
<turb> 
I think that's the one that's gonna get votes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright so let's do this in parts so there's no splits
<smasher> 
yeah add the crown
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Hammer Suit" to M16 Favorite Item? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<smasher> 
7-0-0
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Remove "Super Horn" from M16 Favorite Item? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<_2257> 
a
<Geeky> 
a
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Raregold> 
a
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<smasher> 
5-0-3
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Super Crown" to M16 Favorite Item? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<_2257> 
a
<Raregold> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and also a retroactive y to the removal of super horn
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<smasher> 
6-0-1
<smasher> 
retroactive 6-0-3 for horn
<Anton{Politoed}> 
any other thots or considerations for M16?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hammer suit was all iw anted to push
<turb> 
none here
<smasher> 
congratulations bowsette
<smasher> 
im all good
<Meta_Knight> 
im content with this
<Pitohui> 
Not that I can think of
<_2257> 
is this the time to shoehornpoochy pups
<turb> 
yes it is
<smasher> 
no it is not
<Geeky> 
i'm content with this too
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M17 Favorite Mario RPG (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga/Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Super Paper Mario, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition,
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
skip
<Lakituthequick> 
Tack on Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh right that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
did we get any new RPGs
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
doy
<Pitohui> 
We have to add Bowser Jr Journey
<turb> 
there's none that are getting released within the awards cycle right
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
just a remake
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so wat do with this
<smasher> 
tack on bjs journey
<_2257> 
is that even worth mentioning
<turb> 
definitely tack on the remake like how superstar saga has its tacked on
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
tack on the remake
<_2257> 
nobody played it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
do we have precedent to just make the one nominee super huge
<smasher> 
then skip
<Pitohui> 
Agree with Turb
<turb> 
i know nobody played it but yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga/Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we do
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
right there
<turb> 
we have the superstar saga nominee huge
<turb> 
need to give a voice to those 1000 purchases
<_2257> 
honestly i think its silly
<Anton{Politoed}> 
idk mans I'm not gonna shoot for it this year but like
<_2257> 
its going to get like 2 votes maybe
<_2257> 
just merge them
<turb> 
that's what i'm suggesting
<smasher> 
we are meeting them
<turb> 
tack it on to the end of the existing bowser's inside story nominee
<smasher> 
merging
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the remakes seem weird to merge since people really hate them
<_2257> 
no i mean
<_2257> 
dont even put the name
<turb> 
it's silly that they're - o
<Anton{Politoed}> 
more than they like the other game
<turb> 
i dunno
<_2257> 
if people are too dumbto figure it out, theyll put it in other
<turb> 
honestly i just considered it to be covering all bases
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i thought the general reaction to the bis remake was "unnecessary" rather than hatred
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but yeah, base covering
<turb> 
I'm pretty ambivalent as to whether stuff is ACTUALLY tacked on to the end
<smasher> 
idk the ss one is already there
<_2257> 
yeah i dont think ss needs it either
<turb> 
because the titles of the games haven't changed remake-wise, they've just had the extra modes added on to the end of their names
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
anyhow is this the year where we finally add the GBA sports games as god intended
<Anton{Politoed}> 
my point is to make the ss one not already there
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
(no it isn't)
<smasher> 
i personally think covering it is fine
<_2257> 
how many votes do you thinkwere actually driven by the very poorly made goomba rpg
<turb> 
if we want to remove the superstar saga one instead of adding the bowser's inside story one I'm fine with it
<turb> 
probably like 0\
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm ambivalent
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i could go either way
<turb> 
there were some changes in the actual main game from what i had played of the remake
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if they keep this up we could just shove them into a Favorite Remake award in 2022
<turb> 
but none of them were anything i actually liked LOL!
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
anton did you know
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we once had that award
<smasher> 
i don't really care if we remove it because i didn't buy either remake
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what were the nominees
<_2257> 
add most unnecessary remkae to fail
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
mostly the Advance games
<Anton{Politoed}> 
sm64ds and that's it?
<turb> 
literally had a memo on my phone detailing the changes
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it got scrapped for low votes
<turb> 
it's just a bunch of trite aesthetic bullshit that makes the experience worse as someone who played the original
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright well since the steam is rolling, I'm gonna push for it this year
<turb> 
so yeah if we want to remove the remake titles I am now fully on-board that train
<smasher> 
that's unfortunate
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Remove "Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions" from "Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga/Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions"? (y/n/a)
<smasher> 
ill just abstain from this vote
<turb> 
y
<smasher> 
a
<_2257> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
a
<Pitohui> 
n
<smasher> 
2-0-2
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
a
<smasher> 
2-1-3
<Gamefreak75> 
a
<smasher> 
2-1-4
<Raregold> 
a
<smasher> 
2-1-5
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<turb> 
the worst thing removing this really creates is potentially having to merge votes within the polldaddy thing
<smasher> 
3-1-5
<turb> 
for people who don't figure it out
<smasher> 
nice split
<Anton{Politoed}> 
putting my Y in there for decoration but this is a non-decision, and I'll shove this on the forum somehow later
<smasher> 
4-1-5
<Geeky> 
y
<smasher> 
5-1-5
<Anton{Politoed}> 
maybe it's not a non-decision
<Anton{Politoed}> 
vote: is this a non-decision (y/n/don't actually vote)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh wait
<smasher> 
if there's one more yes vote that's majority in favor counting abstains
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm gonna pass this and if people hate the decision enough they can yell about it on the forum
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we have the Complete Review anyways where we recap every decision
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and often change them
<smasher> 
im not actually switching, tho
<Anton{Politoed}> 
beyond that I don't see any other considerations for this award that aren't hinging on this decision reverting
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so,
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M18 Favorite Mario Party Game (Mario Party, Mario Party 2, Mario Party 3, Mario Party 4, Mario Party 5, Mario Party 6, Mario Party Advance, Mario Party 7, Mario Party DS, Mario Party 8, Mario Party 9, Mario Party: Island Tour, Mario Party 10, Mario Party: Star Rush, Mario Party: The Top 100)
<Gamefreak75> 
ez
<Pitohui> 
Add Super Mario Party, right?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
add- yep
<smasher> 
add smp
<smasher> 
don't even vote
<Raregold> 
add
<smasher> 
just add it and move on
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this will make it nominee #16
<Geeky> 
add
<Anton{Politoed}> 
in 2026 we'll have a tough decision regarding removing one of the nominees
<turb> 
fear
<smasher> 
Fuck
<Meta_Knight> 
we'll just remove advance and the other bad ones
<_2257> 
silence cretin advance was good
<smasher> 
what finished last anyway
<Anton{Politoed}> 
15) Mario Party Advance — 8 — 0.51%
<smasher> 
i hated advance
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
anton
<smasher> 
lol
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
to answer your question from much earlier
<turb> 
advance had nothing wrong with it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
about remakes
<smasher> 
we don't really have to remove it yet i was just curious
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
in 2010 remake had 64 ds, all-stars, all four advance games as one nominee (for... some reason), bros deluxe, and diddy kong racing ds
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
a comedy of errors means i have no idea what it was in 2011
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and it got chopped for 2012
<smasher> 
also i found it really boring and kind of annoying to plau
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M19 Favorite Actor (Lou Albano (Mario, DIC cartoons), Danny Wells (Luigi, DIC cartoons), Charles Martinet (Mario; Luigi; various), Mercedes Rose (Rosalina, 2007-2010), Laura Faye Smith (Rosalina, 2011-present), Kenneth W. James (Bowser, 2005-present), Samantha Kelly (Princess Peach; Toad; various), Deanna Mustard (Princess Daisy, 2003-present), Isaac Marshall (Toad, Mario Kart 64), Leslie
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Swan (Princess Peach, Super Mario 64; Mona), Kazumi Totaka (Yoshi, 1997-present; Professor E. Gadd), Jen Taylor (Princess Peach, 1999-2007), Grant Kirkhope (Donkey Kong, 1999-2004), Bob Hoskins (Mario, Super Mario Bros. film), John Leguizamo (Luigi, Super Mario Bros. film), Dennis Hopper (President Koopa, Super Mario Bros. film), Kate Higgins (Pauline, 2017-present), Aimi Mukohara (Pauline
<Anton{Politoed}> 
[Japanese], 2017-present))
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright so
<turb> 
so I can see why this is considered a chopping block award
<Anton{Politoed}> 
do we need this award anymore
<smasher> 
i vaguely remember that train wreck of an award
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
1) Charles Martinet (Mario; Luigi; various) — 778 — 52.60%
<turb> 
I feel it's really stagnant and even past martinet doesn't get a lot of variation
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
probably not
<turb> 
at least if i'm remembering the historical results right
<turb> 
i should check
<smasher> 
oh is this one up for cutting i completely forgot
<smasher> 
i can get the reasoning
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the last two years the top 3 have remained the same
<Gamefreak75> 
martinet wouldve gotten more than 52.6% of votes if waluigi was added as an example
<turb> 
:thinking:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
only things really changing were penny votes in the bottom tiers
<turb> 
and yeah that's what i was thinking of
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm okay with cutting it, then
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
\like
<smasher> 
its the Charles Martinet award
<Gamefreak75> 
i'm fine with axing this
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we knew charles would always win forever
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but i thought there would be variety below that
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but... there wasn't
<smasher> 
im ok with cutting it
<Pitohui> 
Yeah, the results are stagnant enough that this is a good one to cut
<turb> 
it's different from wario character where, even if wario wins 1st every year or something like that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if we axe it we'll have to come up with a new nominee, and if we can't I'm honestly fine with having this for 1 more year before forcibly removing it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so
<turb> 
there's typically some level of variation within the next tiers that make it at least somewhat interesting
<turb> 
also yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Remove "Favorite Actor" as M19? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Geeky> 
y
<turb> 
as long as we reinstate it should we be literally unable to think of anything else
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah i'd say this one is like
<smasher> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
more salvagable than hardest boss
<turb> 
I feel that revisiting that "best villain" thing the one guy came up with might be worth it
<Lakituthequick> 
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
which i would like to see gone for good
<Gamefreak75> 
y
<smasher> 
7-0-1
<Anton{Politoed}> 
not gonna get too into it now but just to throw my thought in
<turb> 
unfortunately i don't think portrait ghost has the same amount of pull even with luigi's mansion getting a more accessible remake, but I'll shelve most of that until later and after the voting period for this is over
<_2257> 
a
<smasher> 
7-0-2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Best Villain at least feels different than Favorite Boss Battle because the boss battle could suck ass but the villain could still be cool as shit
<Anton{Politoed}> 
see: Bowser
<Gamefreak75> 
yeah
<Rose> 
What was I pinged fo—
<Rose> 
Oh voice actress
<turb> 
yeah that's my thought, some of the bowser battles are fucking terrible but bowser himself is great
<smasher> 
best villain feels viable
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
actually
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll make a new award idea incubator thread soon as well
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
-well
<Pitohui> 
I'd be happy comfortable visiting Best Villain for that reason as well. A boss battle and a villain's overall impression are quite different things
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'll save that for new ideas
<Gamefreak75> 
i mean i'm fully expecting bowser to curbstomp the award but what are you going to do about that
<smasher> 
rosrrade is my favorite voice actress
<Lakituthequick> 
Bowser will be the new Charles Martinet
<smasher> 
he will but it seems more interesting than this anyway
<turb> 
it's the same problem actor and other similar awards have, bowser will probably curbstomp but hopefully there's enough variation to make it more than 1. Bowser 2. Fawful 3. Dimentio
<turb> 
every fucking year
<_2257> 
is roseate a girl
<smasher> 
no
<_2257> 
damn
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
wario should be pretty interesting with the new Volts, anyway
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also
<_2257> 
do you really think fawful is the second most popular villain
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
as long as we're on the subject
<turb> 
i don't know
<smasher> 
probably lol
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
would a revival of Best Remake be worth discussing in more detail later, do people think
<_2257> 
no
<turb> 
i just don't think the shadow queen and cackletta have the same amount of draw even though i personally like both of them a lot more than fawful
<_2257> 
worst remake
<turb> 
no probably not
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
fair enough
<turb> 
worst remake would be more interesting
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Worst Remake sounds good
<smasher> 
worst remake is good
<Anton{Politoed}> 
captures the energy of the remakes better
<Pitohui> 
I think worst remake could be interesting
<Anton{Politoed}> 
every night I lay awake, disgusted, that they removed Psycho Kamek
<smasher> 
i feel like a lot of remakes have been seen as ass
<_2257> 
plus like
<turb> 
same anton
<_2257> 
how could super mario all stars NOT winbest remake
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we'll see if there's space in fail, then
<_2257> 
its 4/5 games in one
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
because 22
<turb> 
that was basically where i stopepd playing to be honest
<turb> 
i was too angry to continue
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
super mario 64 ds won best remake
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anyways
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M20 Favorite Sports Game (Mario Tennis (N64), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Mario Power Tennis, Mario Superstar Baseball, Mario Strikers Charged, Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Mario Sports Mix, Super Mario Strikers, Mario Super Sluggers, Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games, Mario Tennis Open, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games, Mario Golf: World Tour, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash,
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Mario Sports Superstars, Mario Tennis Aces)
<_2257> 
voters are idiots
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i know that sentence is like holy water to a vampire, and i apologize
<turb> 
are we getting more sports soon
<Gamefreak75> 
olympics
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
when is olympics out
<turb> 
mario strikers 3 never ever
<turb> 
is olympics within the release cycle
<turb> 
i mean awards cycle
<Gamefreak75> 
mario golf switch plz
<smasher> 
will olympics be out in time
<Gamefreak75> 
doubt it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Mario Kart Tour is a sport but we kinda just have the karts as write-ins because there's already a kart award
<smasher> 
i want to say no
<Pitohui> 
Winter 2019 for Olympics
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so no
<smasher> 
rip
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M21 Favorite Puzzle Game (Dr. Mario (series), Tetris Attack, Yoshi's Cookie, Wario's Woods, Mario's Picross, Yoshi, Donkey Kong (Game Boy)/Mario vs. Donkey Kong (GBA), Mario vs. Donkey Kong (2 and onwards), DK: King of Swing/DK: Jungle Climber, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition)
<smasher> 
i think skip?
<smasher> 
i meant for m20 but
<smasher> 
is there anything for this either
<turb> 
not that I'm aware of
<_2257> 
i dont know of anything
<turb> 
i think there's a dr mario for phones coming out?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Dr. Mario World whenever it happens
<Anton{Politoed}> 
"early summer 2019"
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
there's a dr. mario we know nothing about
<smasher> 
Dr. Mario (series)
<turb> 
that's in the same development hell as mario kart tour then basically
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if it's June 17th I will piss and shit
<turb> 
same
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but to be fair
<smasher> 
sounds gross
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
doesn't dr. mario (series) automatically cover it anyway
<smasher> 
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's possible
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
thus meaning we don't actually need to make a concrete change iether way
<smasher> 
that's why i said it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we need to see what the game is like
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that's a fair point
<smasher> 
fair
<smasher> 
if its literally just dr mario but on a phone this time we won't have to worry
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so skip and revisit unless dr. mario world is relevant?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M22 Favorite Battle Course (Battle Course 1 (SNES), Skyscraper, Block Fort (N64), Pipe Plaza, Luigi's Mansion, Nintendo DS, Twilight House, Delfino Pier, Funky Stadium, Honeybee Hive, Battle Stadium, Dragon Palace, Lunar Colony, Urchin Underpass, Wuhu Town)
<smasher> 
🤷
<Anton{Politoed}> 
14) Battle Stadium — 25 — 1.69%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
15) Honeybee Hive — 20 — 1.35%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) O. Big Donut — 7 — 0.47%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) O. Chain Chomp Wheel — 7 — 0.47%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not convinced to do anything
<smasher> 
im ok with skipping
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i don't have enough mario kart knowledge
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
skip
<turb> 
I'm fine with skipping here yeah
<smasher> 
that's not enough writeins to make me want to specifically change it
<Pitohui> 
Nothing stands out enough in the write-ins, no
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M23 Favorite SMO Capture (Pokio, Tropical Wiggler, Bowser, Gushen, T-Rex, Chargin' Chuck, Glydon, Sherm, Uproot, Goomba, Frog, Yoshi, Lakitu, Parabones/Paragoomba, Hammer Bro/Fire Bro, Lava Bubble)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
personally
<Anton{Politoed}> 
15) Lava Bubble — 22 — 1.58%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Parabones/Paragoomba — 17 — 1.22%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) O. Bullet Bill — 7 — 0.50%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) O. Meat — 6 — 0.43%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Tree — 5 — 0.36%
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
this award, i'd like to put up for chopping
<smasher> 
6 votes for meat
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this one I feel could be chopped yeah, but it also still could survive another year
<smasher> 
fear
<turb> 
i'm not overeager
<_2257> 
id be ok with removing it but is thereareplacement handy
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I don't see anything changing for this award
<turb> 
it's the strongest of all the ones we've considered chopping so far imo
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's not
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
maybe tentative cut? replace if we have a solid idea, don't replace if we do not
<turb> 
in that it's got probably another year left in it
<Pitohui> 
It's a good candidate to go if we have something else to put in, but in absence of that I'd say give it another year and see what happens
<_2257> 
favorite reason not to vote hammer bros fror worst enemy
<Meta_Knight> 
per perch/pitohui
<turb> 
if we want to vote on a tentative cut I'm fine with it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
let's just keep it and see if there's new award ideas that we can't decide on enough to make us want to cut another
 
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<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
sounds good
 
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<Geeky> 
Per Perch/Pitohui
<turb> 
good idea
<Gamefreak75> 
per meta knight
<smasher> 
i feel like odyssey is still strong enough for one more year unless we have an extra idea
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
wow gamefreak
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
way to hide the real decision
 
Mode #mwikiawards +o Raregold by ChanServ
<smasher> 
which i do not havr
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
smh
<Gamefreak75> 
:]
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i had one but you guys all turned it into a fail award
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so now i have to find an F to cut
<smasher> 
get over it
<Gamefreak75> 
wow
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M24 Favorite Costume (Skeleton, Mario 64, Sunshine, Knight, Boxer Shorts, Pirate, Bowser's Wedding Suit, Samurai, Bridal, Scientist, Waluigi, Mario Wedding Suit, Resort, Space, Caveman, Tostarena Set, Cowboy, Musician)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
there's some DLC costumes, right?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this one is also arguable up for a cut but I'd argue against it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd keep this one
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's some new costumes we can add
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
there's New Material
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we can see how that does before rushing to chop it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<smasher> 
this keeps getting dlc added so i definitely oppose cutting it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
15) Scientist — 14 — 1.00%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Pirate — 13 — 0.93%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Resort — 13 — 0.93%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) Caveman — 12 — 0.86%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Classic — 11 — 0.79%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Luigi — 8 — 0.57%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
21) O. Metal Mario — 7 — 0.50%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
21) O. Satellaview — 7 — 0.50%
<smasher> 
for now
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
wow there's a /lot/ of dlc costumes
<smasher> 
thats horrifyingly close
<turb> 
i have to wonder if this one should be moved to the forums because of the assload of dlc costumes added since last year
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
maybe put them to a poll and then take the top 3/4 and put them on the award in place fo the bottom-placing nominees?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
moving to the forums would work better imo
<smasher> 
i agree with taking this to the forums
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what's new
<smasher> 
talk about dlc there
<Gamefreak75> 
a lot
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I think it's only Rango and down
<_2257> 
no its musician hat andon
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i think a couple of them didn't get evaluated for the poll last year becaue of when they came out
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Rango, Hariet, Spewart, Conductor, Zombie, Santa, 8-Bit
<turb> 
there was a thing about Zombie
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the others were out in time for last year's
<turb> 
because we weren't sure if it should be counted due to being datamined but not officially released
<turb> 
in the writeins, i mean
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Zombie we let go as a write-in because people at least knew about it and what it looked like even if it wasn't officialy revealed
<_2257> 
oh
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not really, uhhhhhh
<Anton{Politoed}> 
imagining that anyone wants the bunny costumers
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so that's like half gone
<Anton{Politoed}> 
-r
<Anton{Politoed}> 
haven't seen anyone talk about conductor at all, who cares
<smasher> 
hariet for favorite costume
<smasher> 
(No)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's all about santa, zombie, and 8-bit
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hmmm
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
looking at the results, there's a very clear bottom 4
<Pitohui> 
Tbh the only one I've seen noticed is the 8-bit and that's because people don't like it
<Lakituthequick> 
out of the three 8-bit is the most interesting
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
what if we took santa, zombie, 8-bit, and classic (for being the top write-in) and subbed in for the bottom 4 to see how they did
 
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<Lakituthequick> 
that would work
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as much as I love the Resort outfit, I'm up for that
<smasher> 
cut the bottom four and add those three q classic?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
q
<smasher> 
+
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there doesn't seem to be any opposition to a group vote, so
<Pitohui> 
That suggestion seems reasonable to me
<Lakituthequick> 
q and + are on opposite sides of my keyboard, how does this work
<smasher> 
they share a space on my phone keypad
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Remove "Caveman", "Resort", "Pirate", and "Scientist" and replace them with "Classic", "Santa", "Zombie", and "8-Bit"? (y/n/other/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<_2257> 
a
<turb> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
phone, of course
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<smasher> 
i hold q to get + and i didn't hold it long enough
<Geeky> 
a
<smasher> 
also, y
<smasher> 
6-0-2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Boxers survives
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what a good costume
<smasher> 
that's all that truly matters
<Anton{Politoed}> 
any other considerations for M24?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm good
<smasher> 
im good
<turb> 
someone brought up yoshi's crafted world costumes but i'd rather not
<Geeky> 
No it looks good
<turb> 
they feel like a different enough beast
<Pitohui> 
Someone mentioned at some point the Yoshi's Crafted World Costumes but I don't think those are relevant enough
<turb> 
that said, i'm not sure if we should specify favorite ODYSSEY costume
<turb> 
to ensure that those aren't in as writeins
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it is specified in the polls and on the sheet
<smasher> 
good
<turb> 
damn
<turb> 
ok as long as thats there
<turb> 
it was favorite costume pasted in here so i forgot about that lol
<turb> 
i'm good others
<turb> 
otherwise*
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M25 Favorite 2D Mario Level (World 1-1 (SMB), Donut Plains 1 (SMW), Forest of Illusion 3 (SMW), World 1-2 (SMB), World 2-Pyramid (SMB3), Donut Secret House (SMW), Painted Swampland (NSMBU), Front Door (SMW), World 8-7 (NSMBW), World 4-1 (SMB3), Yoshi's Island 2 (SMW), World 5-3 (SMB3), World 2-3 (NSMB), World 1-1 (NSMB), World 8-4 (SMB))
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's no new 2d games are there, and
<Anton{Politoed}> 
13) World 8-4 (SMB) — 30 — 2.42%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
14) World 1-2 (SMB) — 25 — 2.01%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
15) World 2-Pyramid (SMB3) — 24 — 1.93%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) O. World 9-7 (NSMBW) — 5 — 0.40%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) O. World 7-5 (SMB3) — 4 — 0.32%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) O. World 1-1 (NSMBW) — 3 — 0.24%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) O. World 1-1 (SMB2) — 3 — 0.24%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm meh on swapping any
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
deluxe didn't add anything new level-wise, right
<smasher> 
im not convinced we need to do anything
<Meta_Knight> 
i doubt it and if they did its probably not important
<Pitohui> 
I don't think Deluxe added anything
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
skip
<smasher> 
skip
<Lakituthequick> 
gotta love the intuitive naming schemes nintendo came up with in earlier games
<Anton{Politoed}> 
looks like they actually removed more stuff than they added to deluxe
<turb> 
it looks like it's just a port of nslu and nsmbu
<turb> 
yeah i was gonna say
<turb> 
boost mode got removed
<turb> 
skip
<smasher> 
nice
<turb> 
they also made it impossible for one perosn in 4 player to NOT play as the easy mode character
<Lakituthequick> 
so the only deluxe thing is toadette and super crown
<Lakituthequick> 
neat
<smasher> 
deluxe now means less
<smasher> 
thanks nintendo
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M26 Favorite 3D Mario Level (Toy Time Galaxy (SMG), Good Egg Galaxy (SMG), Gusty Garden Galaxy (SMG), Whomp's Fortress/Throwback Galaxy (SM64/SMG2), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Cosmic Cove Galaxy (SMG2), Bob-omb Battlefield (SM64), Tick Tock Clock (SM64), Pinna Park (SMS), Sirena Beach (SMS), Delfino Plaza/Airstrip (SMS), Mount Must Dash (SM3DW), The Great Tower of Bowser Land (SM3DW),
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Champion's Road (SM3DW), Metro Kingdom (SMO), Bowser’s Kingdom (SMO), Wooded Kingdom (SMO), Sand Kingdom (SMO))
<Anton{Politoed}> 
are there new 3d levels
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Mount Must Dash (SM3DW) — 34 — 2.25%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) Champion's Road (SM3DW) — 30 — 1.98%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2) — 20 — 1.32%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Luncheon Kingdom (SMO) — 8 — 0.53%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Mushroom Kingdom (SMO) — 6 — 0.40%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Ricco Harbor (SMS) — 6 — 0.40%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Slimy Spring Galaxy (SMG2) — 6 — 0.40%
<turb> 
i don't think so
<turb> 
I'm not removing grandmaster for luncheon
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm meh but given my personal bias on the potential replacement I'll ask the audience
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
me neither
<turb> 
I just want to put that out there immediately right now
<smasher> 
why is luncheon the highest writein
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i feel like the gap between the two is not small enough to justify a replacement
<turb> 
I'd be willing to budge if there's actual support behind it of course, I'm not THAT biased
<Lakituthequick> 
because it's unforgettable
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
espec. factoring the number of nominees
<Pitohui> 
The write-ins aren't enough to convince me to swap them
<turb> 
unforgettably bad.........................
<smasher> 
i don't want to do anything personally
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M27 Favorite Boss Battle (Phantamanta (SMS), Brobot (SPM), Rawk Hawk (PM:TTYD), Bowser in the Sky (SM64), Kaptain K. Rool 1 and 2 (DKC2), Super Dimentio (SPM), Elder Princess Shroob (M&L:PiT), Megaleg (SMG), General Guy (PM), Kingfin (SMG), Popple and Rookie (M&L:SS), Dark Bowser (M&L:BIS), Bowser/Meowser (SM3DW), Bowser (SMG), Shiny RoboBowser (M&L:PJ), Knucklotec (SMO), Torkdrift (SMO),
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Mechawiggler (SMO))
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) Kingfin (SMG) — 30 — 2.00%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) Shiny RoboBowser (M&L:PJ) — 23 — 1.54%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Bowser (SMO) — 13 — 0.87%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Ruined Dragon (SMO) — 12 — 0.80%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
21) O. Mollusque-Lanceur (SMO) — 7 — 0.47%
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hmmm
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
not quite close enough for me to want to swap, personally
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll put it up for a vote since it feels at least debatable
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Shiny RoboBowser (M&L:PJ)" with "Bowser (SMO)"? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
a
<_2257> 
y
<Pitohui> 
a
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<turb> 
smo bowser fight would get nominee traction i think
<Anton{Politoed}> 
bowser looks cute when you hit him in smo
<Anton{Politoed}> 
y
<Geeky> 
a
<smasher> 
agree with turb
<smasher> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
a
<Meta_Knight> 
havent played paper jam
<Raregold> 
a
<smasher> 
5-0-5
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Ruined Dragon for Kingfin seems less debatable
<Anton{Politoed}> 
does anyone want to run that through
<_2257> 
no
<smasher> 
not really
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that one i'm outright against
<turb> 
i'll pass
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
kingfin feels too solid
<Pitohui> 
no
<smasher> 
30 to 13 is too high of a gap
<Lakituthequick> 
Ruined Dragon is cool but the battle is meh
<smasher> 
12 i mean
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M28 Favorite Game Setting (Mushroom Kingdom (SMB), Mushroom Kingdom (PM), Super Mario RPG World, Dinosaur Land (SMW), Yoshi's Island (SMW2:YI), Isle Delfino (SMS), Beanbean Kingdom (M&L:SS), Rogueport & surrounding areas (PM:TTYD), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Sarasaland (SML), Donkey Kong Island (DKC), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Comet Observatory & galaxies (SMG), Pi'illo Island
<Anton{Politoed}> 
(M&L:DT), Prism Island (PM:CS), Super Mario Odyssey World, Crocodile Isle (DKC2), Northern Kremisphere (DKC3))
<turb> 
ruined dragon is great because, like everything else in that world, it was massively wasted potential
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this is at 18 nominees
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i can't think of any new settings
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Prism Island (PM:CS) — 22 — 1.42%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Sarasaland (SML) — 22 — 1.42%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) Northern Kremisphere (DKC3) — 17 — 1.10%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Peach's Castle (SM64) — 8 — 0.52%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:BIS) — 4 — 0.26%
<turb> 
isn't crafted world just yoshi's island but craftwork
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
maybe swap kremisphere for peach's castle?
<_2257> 
i wonder
<turb> 
idk if the kremisphere gap is big enough but it might be votable
<_2257> 
how much of a boost do things generally get whenthey get promoted from write in to nominee
<_2257> 
does anyone know
<Pitohui> 
Crafted World takes place in some lands after they're all scattered off the island, but they're neither named nor likely to get votes
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
pretty good boosts i think
<turb> 
i have no idea
<smasher> 
i don't want to add crafted world
<turb> 
i feel like they usually do gain a decent amount of traction if they already had a sizeable amount of nominees
<turb> 
i mean
<turb> 
write-in votes
<smasher> 
peaches castle might be good
<turb> 
not nominees
<turb> 
I guess people owuld vote for peach's castle/the painting worlds
<smasher> 
i feel given 64s popularity this would do well
<smasher> 
also
<smasher> 
we just did a swap with nominees ten votes apart
<smasher> 
these are 9 if i can count
<smasher> 
basically im saying i think its worth swapping
<turb> 
literally the only problem is i like dkc3's world :ffast:
<turb> 
i'd be willing to vote still
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Northern Kremisphere (DKC3) with "Peach's Castle (SM64)"? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<turb> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<_2257> 
a
<Geeky> 
y
<smasher> 
i like dkc3 but the world just isn't as memorable
<smasher> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<smasher> 
6-0-1
<_2257> 
poor tb
<Raregold> 
y
<smasher> 
7-0-1
<smasher> 
i love you tb
<smasher> 
im sorry
<Anton{Politoed}> 
any other considerations for M28?
<turb> 
yeah i was htinking of tb
<turb> 
I dunno
<turb> 
none on my end
<smasher> 
nah that's it for me
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M29 Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) (Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong 64, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart 64, Yoshi's Story, Mario Party 2, Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA), Wario Land 3, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario Sunshine, Wario Land 4)
<smasher> 
i don't think we need to attach everything since basically every level is in a painting
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) Yoshi's Story — 18 — 1.13%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA) — 15 — 0.94%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Luigi's Mansion — 10 — 0.63%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
20) O. Mario Kart: Double Dash!! — 9 — 0.56%
<smasher> 
this i need writeins
<smasher> 
ok
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
swap smb2 usa for luigi's mansoon at the minimum
<_2257> 
imwilling
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
maybe also story and dd?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but definitely add mansion
<smasher> 
i would be ok with swaps for both
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll do this separately
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)" with "Luigi's Mansion"? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<smasher> 
5 vote difference? rip smb2
<Geeky> 
y
<smasher> 
6-0-0
<smasher> 
7-0-0
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<smasher> 
remake should help mansion too
<smasher> 
9-0-0
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Replace "Yoshi's Story" with "Mario Kart: Double Dash!!"? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<turb> 
a
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Geeky> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<smasher> 
as much as i like story i think dd will do better as a nominee
<_2257> 
a
<smasher> 
7-0-2
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anything else to consider?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not feeling any more swaps
<smasher> 
nope
<turb> 
probably not
<Anton{Politoed}> 
M30 Favorite Modern Game (Wii/DS and newer) (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario 3D Land, Super Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Super Mario 3D World, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World/Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Super Mario Odyssey, Captain
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Toad: Treasure Tracker, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle)
<turb> 
i don't think anything else would get a sudden boost
<smasher> 
how many is this
<smasher> 
probably add ycw
<smasher> 
may be
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16
<Anton{Politoed}> 
14) Super Mario 3D Land — 21 — 1.28%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
15) Paper Mario: Color Splash — 18 — 1.10%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker — 17 — 1.03%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) O. New Super Mario Bros. Wii — 8 — 0.49%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) O. Mario & Luigi: Dream Team — 7 — 0.43%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. New Super Mario Bros. — 6 — 0.37%
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm okay with a YCW test run
<turb> 
I wonder if treasure tracker will get a boost with the dlc and being on more systems
<Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah what turb said
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that's making me feel like it's shielded from a swap
<smasher> 
in this case i don't want to cut ct yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
at least this year
 
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<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
no need to cut ct anyway
<Pitohui> 
I'd add Crafted World for a test and keep Treasure Tracker to see what happens
<smasher> 
the new ports and the dlc keeps it safe this round
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Add "Yoshi's Crafted World" to M30? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<Pitohui> 
y
<smasher> 
y
<smasher> 
5-0-0
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
out of curiosity
<turb> 
y
<Raregold> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
wii games don't become classic until the switch's successor is out? or is it year-based
<smasher> 
we could add the lowest write in anyway though unless we want to add smp or something
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
jsut curiosity
<smasher> 
7-0-0
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
why did i say that twice
<turb> 
I think it would probably be best to save a rework for the next console
<smasher> 
agree with turb
<turb> 
year based would be kind of insane to figure out
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I almost don't even want to consider the wii u a generation
<turb> 
as classic game grows larger and larger
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's all just the Switch
<turb> 
#same
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
fine by me
<smasher> 
what is a wii u
<turb> 
like every single mario game sans 3d world has been ported to the switch already tbh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
man
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Super Mario Maker 2 and Luigi's Mansion 3, depending on release date, also may change this
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
why did nintendo take so long to release their next console after the wii, anyway
<turb> 
the wii was extremely successful
<Lakituthequick> 
the wii did well
<Lakituthequick> 
why discontinue something that does well
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
a good reason to keep it going right up until the switch
<smasher> 
mm2 comes out in june
<turb> 
if it's june 17th I'm going to piss and shit
<smasher> 
so it's possible well see it in time
<smasher> 
same
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we have 17 minutes left and I don't want to dive too into Fail Awards, but we can at least do this one to get a start
<smasher> 
idk if we should add anything else or wait for that release date
<Anton{Politoed}> 
F1 Worst Character (Mario, Princess Daisy, Waluigi, Wario, Petey Piranha, Birdo, Mimi, Starlow, Lubba, Bowser Jr., Toad, Fawful, Pink Gold Peach, Baby Rosalina, Kersti, Rosalina, Spewart)
<smasher> 
oh ok
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
did ycw have anyomne really bad
<Anton{Politoed}> 
16) Wario — 23 — 1.36%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
17) Rosalina — 18 — 1.07%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
18) O. Princess Peach — 6 — 0.36%
<Anton{Politoed}> 
19) O. Baby Daisy — 5 — 0.30%
<turb> 
i'm not sure ycw had literally anyone
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm not really willing to do replacements from the write-ins
<turb> 
besides baby bowser and kamek
<smasher> 
did ycw have anyone
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
nah
<Pitohui> 
YCW didn't have any stand outs, good or bad
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
let's not do replacements
<turb> 
neither of which are bad characters
<turb> 
well, kamek isn't bad at least
<smasher> 
im content with leaving this as is
<turb> 
but i think it's weird to put specifically baby bowser on especially as nintendo keeps writing him more and more as literally bowser jr
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I love Kamek
<turb> 
so i think we can just skip this for now
<turb> 
same
<smasher> 
not gonna lie when i played the demo
<turb> 
i'm happy that wario scores low on this award
<turb> 
he is a treasure
<smasher> 
i thought it WAS bowser jr
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i wish we could just cut wario from this award
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
he doesn't deserve being considered
<Anton{Politoed}> 
well, aside from some loose ends, i.e. M10 and some replacements
<smasher> 
same
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we're about 2 weeks ahead of schedule, despite us starting about 3 weeks later than usual
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
:clap:
<turb> 
gr8
<smasher> 
we're strong
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
speedrun strats
Lakituthequick claps
<smasher> 
we still have 14 minutes left too lol
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we can end this early, so I'll just recap what I'll do later
<smasher> 
oh ok
<turb> 
remember to post on the forums in the favorite song thread if you want a more concrete list
<turb> 
I'm honestly not happy with the selection on mine as a finalized thing, I just want it to be there as a potential base
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd be willing to use up the remaining 14 minutes to consider a couple more fail but i can understand not wanting to do so
<smasher> 
i could charge this phone anyway
<Anton{Politoed}> 
when I can, I will update the m10 thread to angle it towards making a decision on splitting it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and also create the new award idea incubator thread
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as we have 2-3 slots to fill
<smasher> 
i don't mind going the last 13 minutes but im equally find stopping here
<smasher> 
we did quite a bit today
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I didn't prep too much of Fail Awards yet so I'll be more comfortable beginning that next meeting
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what was that other Fail award idea
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Worst Remake?
<smasher> 
fair
<turb> 
yeah
<turb> 
worst remake
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'll scope out a spot for it
<smasher> 
yea
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i went through the fail awards
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and i can see a couple potential good spots to swap it in
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
so i'll bring those up when we get around to them
Anton{Politoed} looks at F11
<smasher> 
what's f11
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Biggest Missed Opportunity
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i was actually thinking f9 lol
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but f11 was my econd choice
<smasher> 
would it be missed
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
maybe we'll just replace them both
<turb> 
imagine just getting to cut it instead of reworking it for the 5th time
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we'l lsee
<turb> 
:godiwishthatwereme:
<smasher> 
whats f9 lol...
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Worst Direction of Series
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
worst direction fo series
<smasher> 
ah
<Lakituthequick> 
is f11 still not good
<turb> 
f11 fills a niche that I feel is appropriate and not fully represented by any other award, but it's also a mess
<turb> 
and i wish it wasn't
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's due for another rework yeah
<Lakituthequick> 
boi
<Anton{Politoed}> 
still feels messy
<smasher> 
both could be plausible
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and after reworking it, what, 4 years in a row now
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it might be safer to just put it down
<Lakituthequick> 
i thought it was reworked to all have the same perspective like, last year or the year before
<smasher> 
rename the trans category again
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it was
<turb> 
i don't think there's a year we haven't reworked it in some way yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's still not solid enough
<Lakituthequick> 
what is wrong with it this time
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's too confusing to voters
<turb> 
put it down like the ending of old yeller
<Anton{Politoed}> 
no matter how we word things, voters don't seem to know how to vote for it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and it's a pain in the ass to handle write-ins as a result
<Lakituthequick> 
move it to community awards so it can have a dossier
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we can still try to rework it but it's now an option to just be done with it
<Lakituthequick> 
(don't really)
<turb> 
biggest missed opportunity: not banning fe in 2009
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anyways thanks everyone for being snappy with voting, and we'll end a bit early tonight
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
night
<smasher> 
#same
<Anton{Politoed}> 
good night! :bowser:
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
watch us just
<turb> 
good night
<Lakituthequick> 
Time for some zzzs
<Lakituthequick> 
after posting the logs
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
blitz through the entire fail awards except potential replacements next meeting
 
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<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
the whole thing
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it would not surprise me tbh
<Gamefreak75> 
i just got back and we ended rip