hey guys, welcome to another luxurious gathering to discuss our favorite subject
<Anton{Politoed}>
mario
<Anton{Politoed}>
crowd: "boooooo!!"
<Gabumon>
gross
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok ok, bowser
<Toadbert>
awful
<Gabumon>
good
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
hi
<Rose>
Better
<Raregold>
Mario actually being talked about on the mario boards now there is a suprise
<Anton{Politoed}>
our agenda today is rather simple
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we kill the batman at long last?
<Gabumon>
Obey Wario, destroy Mario
<smasher>
who the FUCK is mario
<Anton{Politoed}>
after the intro I will have a special announcement, followed by addressing M10 per the forum discussion, then moving on to the rest of Fail Awards
<turb>
oh shit m10
<Mariofan169>
I forgot what I was the 169th fan of
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<Honoka_Chaosaka>
>special announcement
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
scary
<Anton{Politoed}>
as for the special announcement, I got a call from Shigeru Miyamoto himself earlier today to extend congratulations to this community, and has gifted me with exclusive information that I will now reveal in our new topic
Anton{Politoed} has changed the topic to ``"An Excellent Awards Ceremony https://i.imgur.com/POjPM37.png " - Chef Excellence, 2018 || Number of meetings survived: hhh || Our mascot https://i.imgur.com/UC4K3pU.png || jontron is a nazi || UP NEXT: ice cold chats and similar || https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?board=82.0 || NEXT: Thanks Ryan || Mario says: "Trans rights, yahoo!"''
I'm ready to just take the list as it is and make adjustments to it here
<turb>
I'd be fine with that
<turb>
it does need trimming/some tweaks but a chunk of it does seem pretty usable as-is
<Anton{Politoed}>
https://pastebin.com/5sSwKdd0
<turb>
not trimming but not 3 galaxy songs basically
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's the list in case you can't figure out how to click the thread
<Anton{Politoed}>
or if you're a guest viewing the logs later
<turb>
oh vocal lol
<Pitohui>
That seems reasonable to me. It's a rather solid base, so we could just work on fine-tuning it.
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
vocal feels fine by me
<turb>
yeah I literally don't know what i'd change on vocal beyond what i already suggested so I'll leave the floor open for other people
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
the fact that we originally crafted this as a vocal award means we don't really need to do anything beyond touchups
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
since like
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it'll be easier to evaluate votes compared to write-ins and such once instrumentals are off in their own award
<Rose>
The only discrepancy I could see in the future is evaluating which DKC cartoon songs would be best to include
<Anton{Politoed}>
16) Pirate's Scorn (Donkey Kong Country cartoon) — 8 — 0.50% 17) Mike's Song (WarioWare: Touched! — 6 — 0.37% 18) O. Overworld (Super Mario Bros.) — 4 — 0.25% 18) O. Tomorrow Hill (WarioWare: Smooth Moves) — 4 — 0.25%
<Anton{Politoed}>
turb's list assumes Mike's Song is swapped out for Tomorrow Hill
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rose let's just make a new award
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
Favorite Donkey Kong Country Cartoon Song
<Toadbert>
do that
<turb>
they were pretty close vote-wise and i feel like mike's song is probably the least liked warioware song
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any suggestions to turb's Vocal list before we vote to accept it
<turb>
not sure if there were any vocals added to warioware gold
<turb>
that may be something to bring up if there was
<Lakituthequick>
At most a shout out to the Gang-Plank Galleon rap in Ultimate
<turb>
i'll ask the experts
<smasher>
i don't remember if there was or not
<Lakituthequick>
Though it's pretty minor
<Rose>
I wouldn't mind seeing Gangplank on there either
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's 17 nominees so we could if it's desired
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i thought we were against smash nominees?
<smasher>
can't think of any with lyrics closest that comes to mind is fucking yoshi noises
<Anton{Politoed}>
is it exclusively smash
<smasher>
tbf its an arrangement of a dk track
<smasher>
but yeah it is
<turb>
GlowsquidToday at 5:12 PM @turb not really unless the brief vocals in the new wario mambo make it a vocal song
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
gangplank galleon vocal version is exclusively smash
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's a remix of a dk track but the vocals were introduced for samsh
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<Pitohui>
Oh, I had the same thought as Turb. Yeah, for vocal the list with Turb's modifications seems fine to me
<smasher>
yeah
<turb>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QheKrDU1tqc
<Anton{Politoed}>
hnrgh
<turb>
here's tomorrow hill
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<turb>
i don't have an opinion on gangplank but i'd lean no
<turb>
technically i think wario de mambo always had vocals
<turb>
to like, some extent
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<Anton{Politoed}>
gangplank can go in instrumental
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<Anton{Politoed}>
alright so
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Accept turb's list of nominees for M10 vocal song? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<_2257>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
the only effective changes are a rename and the swapping in of tomorrow hill
<turb>
y
<Rose>
y
<Raregold>
y
<Meta_Knight>
Y
<Gabumon>
y
<smasher>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright as now for the names
<Anton{Politoed}>
we could keep it as Favorite Song if we want to stick to assuming that everyone googles the definitions of every word before they finish reading
<Anton{Politoed}>
but they don't
<Anton{Politoed}>
and that's why we have this dilemma in the first place
<Gabumon>
nop
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
Favorite Vocal Song
<Gabumon>
change the name
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
nice and descriptive
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vocal Song sounds easy enough
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<Honoka_Chaosaka>
"it is a song with vocals in it" is all we really need to communicate
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other suggestions
<turb>
vocal song/track
<turb>
not meant as the literal title but
<smasher>
sorry my phones net dropped
<turb>
whichever one people like better for aesthetic wording
<Rose>
Favorite Musical Arrangement Utilizing Language
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's a personal thing but "track" always feels more associated with instrumentals than vocals for me
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
wording-wise
<Gabumon>
Favorite musical track what has words in it that are said in a melodic way that goes along nicely with the melody, should there be one
<Pitohui>
Maybe it's pedantic, but Favorite Lyrical Song seems better to me. You can have vocals without them actually being comprehensible words
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's a good point
<turb>
lyrical track with most good value, joy, worth and happiness
<smasher>
i like lyrical song and vocal song
<Lakituthequick>
that would automatically and clearly rule out gpg rap too
<smasher>
both simple enough
<Anton{Politoed}>
on the flip side, what about the new M15 for instrumental
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
Favorite Instrumental Track
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
would be my suggestion
<Lakituthequick>
^
<Rose>
Favorite Instrumental Track
<smasher>
instrumental track
<Pitohui>
Per Perch
<Meta_Knight>
I gotta go, my mom wants me to practice parallel parking, I support instrumental track though
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<turb>
fuck parallel parking
<Gabumon>
favorite what who put words into my music, cut that out
<Anton{Politoed}>
gr8, this one seems uncontested
<Anton{Politoed}>
so,
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Rename M10 Favorite Song to (1) Favorite Vocal Song, (2) Favorite Lyrical Song (1/2/a/other)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
1
<Pitohui>
2
<_2257>
2
<Rose>
2
<Gabumon>
2
<Raregold>
1
<turb>
2
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
the thing is
<smasher>
1
<Toadbert>
fuck parallel parking
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm not sure it communicates the idea as cleanly/effectively
<Toadbert>
i just wing it
<Lakituthequick>
1
<turb>
how so
<Gabumon>
...Favorite Song with Lyrics?
<turb>
it's a song with lyrics in it
<smasher>
yeah that's the only thing
<Lakituthequick>
unv: 1
<Lakituthequick>
2
<Gabumon>
anyway
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i don't really see "lyrical" being used as a descriptor for songs anywhere near as often as "vocal"
<turb>
if you know what vocals means you'd probably also know what lyrics means
<smasher>
3-6-0-0
<turb>
i can't imagine a situation where it's not clear
<turb>
like, if we had a nominee that was on the ballot and it was vocal but NOT clearly possessing lyrics I'd probably vote 1
<Gabumon>
if pitohui is correct, then that means under 1, the bah bah song from new super mario bros would qualify
<turb>
but if the intention is "songs with clearly decipherable words" then i'd want 2
<turb>
and yeah
<Gabumon>
and I dont think that was our plan
<Anton{Politoed}>
I see both points but I feel like erring on the side of pedantics and specificity as we had to redo this award because it was unclear to begin with
<Anton{Politoed}>
so i vote 2
<smasher>
fair
<smasher>
3-7-0-0
<Gamefreak75>
2
<Anton{Politoed}>
take a picture because I don't side with pedantics often
<Lakituthequick>
πΈ
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright as for M15 now, between turb and blocky there's 2 nominee suggestions
<Anton{Politoed}>
22*
<_2257>
hi
<Anton{Politoed}>
I think bbq turtle gave a few too
<smasher>
kill all of them but 2
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'd have to count them all
<Anton{Politoed}>
point being, I think a more effective way to vote on this would be to create a poll and just lob all of the suggestions in and vote on it as we do with favorite presentation
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
sounds good
<Anton{Politoed}>
and once the poll closes we'll just assume the top 15-18 as our new nominees
<Rose>
I agree
<Lakituthequick>
BBQ Turtle made three suggestions, so 25 in total
<Lakituthequick>
also agreed
<Anton{Politoed}>
I will make this thread after the meeting, post all of the current suggestions, and leave the thread open for a couple days for more before I create the poll
<turb>
good
<smasher>
ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other immediate concerns for either M10 or M15 before we continue?
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<Rose>
I'm still proposing Favorite DKC Cartoon Song
<turb>
none here
<Anton{Politoed}>
we do still have M19 vacant, so suggestions are open
after the meeting I'll bump the thread and start honing in on a new award to discuss either next week or the following
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'd like it to not take longer than that
<Pitohui>
I don't have any immediate thoughts on them, but I have to catch up because everything after "<turb>: if you know what vocals means you'd probably also know what lyrics means" just suddenly appeared all at once
<Anton{Politoed}>
good luck
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
fuck it i'd do dkc song
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
there's enough of them
<Lakituthequick>
like two an episode right
<turb>
i don't think there's enough of a voter draw honestly
<turb>
like i doubt it would get any more votes than something like portrait ghost would
<Lakituthequick>
that's true too
<turb>
and i'm assuming a magnitude more people played luigi's mansion than kept up on dkc cartoon memes
<Rose>
Easy solution
<Rose>
Favorite Portrait Ghost & DKC Cartoon Song
<turb>
solved
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright and with that time to move on to Fail
<Anton{Politoed}>
F2 Worst 2D Level (The Very Loooooong Cave (SMW2:YI), Tubular (SMW), World 8-3 (SMB), Endless World of Yoshis (SMW2:YI), World 9-7 (NSMBW), Lakitu's Wall (SMW2:YI), Mine Cart Madness (DKC), World 8-Bowser's Castle (SMB3), Stampede Sprint (DKC3), World 8-1 (SMB), World 4-2 (SMB2), World 7-8 (SMB3), The Big Board (WL4), Pendulum Castle (NSMBU),
<Anton{Politoed}>
Doodle Woods (WL4), World 7-4 (SMB), World 3-5 (SMB3), World 6-4 (SMB3))
<Anton{Politoed}>
feel free to refer to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uDZt_DucxvdKpLAALklRGAVCVohrUIi8j4zZa84B0UU/edit#heading=h.32xsgoydf1im for last year's rankings
<Anton{Politoed}>
16) World 7-8 (SMB3) — 13 — 1.14% 17) World 3-5 (SMB3) — 12 — 1.05% 17) World 6-4 (SMB3) — 12 — 1.05% 19) O. Poochy Ain't Stupid (SMW2:YI) — 5 — 0.44% 19) O. World 8-2 (SMB) — 5 — 0.44%
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm not feeling like any swaps are necessary
<Anton{Politoed}>
were there any new 2d games
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
did crafted world have any really bad levels
<Anton{Politoed}>
for F3
<Lakituthequick>
Was the game at all considered good
<turb>
to the best of my knowledge the problem was the music if anything
<turb>
not the levels
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
ltq with the brutal smackdown
<turb>
crafted world seems to have been positively received
<smasher>
idk i played through six levels in total
<Anton{Politoed}>
F2 seems like a skip then
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
skip
<Lakituthequick>
I honestly don't know how it was recieved though, just asking
<smasher>
the music is bad yeah
<Rose>
Just put Every Level in Crafted World
<smasher>
i'm fine with skipping
<Geeky>
I agree with skipping it
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<Anton{Politoed}>
F3 Worst 3D Level (Corona Mountain (SMS), The Toxic Waterfall/Lily Pad Ride (SMS), Pachinko Game (SMS), Stone Cyclone Galaxy (SMG2), Wing Mario Over the Rainbow/Over the Rainbows (SM64), Sling Pod Galaxy (SMG), Rolling Gizmo Galaxy (SMG), Boss Blitz Galaxy (SMG2), Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG), Bubble Breeze Galaxy (SMG), World 1-1 (SM3DL),
<Anton{Politoed}>
Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW), Fuzzy Time Mine (SM3DW), Champion's Road (SM3DW), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Luncheon Kingdom (SMO), Dark Side (SMO), Darker Side (SMO))
was there no particularly bad level in crafted world
<Anton{Politoed}>
the levels all seem fine for me so far but I haven't finished
<Anton{Politoed}>
i'm just upset that each world has like 2.5 levels
<turb>
i don't actually know anyone who's fully beaten crafted world so far i think
<turb>
unless uniju or tfp has but idk
<Uniju>
i havent
<Anton{Politoed}>
i guess when we get to the full review we'll know better
<Anton{Politoed}>
because if one sucks you'll hear me screaming about it
<turb>
good
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<smasher>
scary
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
from this many states away?
<Anton{Politoed}>
F4 Worst RPG Area (Bowser's Keep (SMRPG), Dry Dry Desert (PM), Flower Fields (PM), Twilight Trail (PM:TTYD), Merlee's Mansion (SPM), Sammer's Kingdom (SPM), The Overthere (SPM), Long Fall Falls (PM:SS), Sandshifter Ruins (PM:SS), Drybake Stadium (PM:SS), Teehee Valley (M&L:SS), Joke's End (M&L:SS), Oho Ocean (M&L:SS), Shroob Castle (M&L:PiT),
<Anton{Politoed}>
Toad Town (M&L:PiT), Dreamy Mount Pajamaja (M&L:DT), Violet Passage (PM:CS), Spooky Trails (M+RKB))
<Lakituthequick>
17) Oho Ocean (M&L:SS) — 28 — 2.31%
<Lakituthequick>
18) Spooky Trails (M+RKB) — 20 — 1.65%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Castle Bleck (SPM) — 3 — 0.25%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Gate Cliff (PM:SS) — 3 — 0.25%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. The Great Tree (PM:TTYD) — 3 — 0.25%
<Anton{Politoed}>
yes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also skip imo
<smasher>
skip
<Raregold>
skip
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
wow we're making great time!
<Anton{Politoed}>
the whatever remake didn't add any new levels did it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
no
<Rose>
I've gotta hop off, I've got a spotlight to run π
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
but that's y876's job!
<turb>
now that I'm aware of
<turb>
not*
<turb>
i'll doublecheck
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<Anton{Politoed}>
don't worry, Fail might look easy now, but the back end is rough
<Geeky>
good luck Rose
<smasher>
oh no
<Rose>
Thanks, I've only fucked up once so far
<Anton{Politoed}>
F5 Worst Level Concept (Ice levels, Water levels, Autoscrolling levels, Ghost Houses, Rolling Ball galaxies, Purple Coin levels, “Secret of _” levels (SMS), Red Coin missions (SMS), Surfing galaxies, Automatic levels (SMM), Restrictively low timers, Checkpointless challenges, Cappyless/FLUDDless missions)
<Lakituthequick>
12) Red Coin missions (SMS) — 45 — 2.83%
<Lakituthequick>
13) Ice levels — 31 — 1.95%
<Lakituthequick>
14) O. 100 Coin missions — 3 — 0.19%
<Lakituthequick>
14) O. Fluzzard levels (SMG2) — 3 — 0.19%
<Lakituthequick>
14) O. Cosmic Clone levels — 3 — 0.19%
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
this one i don't want to just say skip immediately
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
did crafted world have any really bad level concepts
<turb>
yeah there was nothing to add to f4
<turb>
i'd say skip but _
<Lakituthequick>
I remember you had to shoot at cows from the demo
<Anton{Politoed}>
i wouldn't say level concept but like
<Lakituthequick>
Dunno is thatΕ considered bad
<turb>
idk if crafted world even deviates significantly from the norm beyond the backside levels
<turb>
did people have problems with those
<Lakituthequick>
oh, thats more of a side quest yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
i think that not being able to lock on to a target with eggs while you're moving sucks
<turb>
getting the poochy pups and having to go backwards
<smasher>
scrapbook shit is kind of lame but that's a sidequest
<Anton{Politoed}>
poochy pups are easy as fuck so anything Worst about them is disappointment
<Anton{Politoed}>
they're not frustrating
<Anton{Politoed}>
yet
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'll find out as I go I guess
<smasher>
i don't f
<smasher>
i don't think pooch pups work for this but im exactly six levels in
<Pitohui>
I can't think of anything that stands out as particularly bad in Crafted World, some disappointments yeah, but nothing horrible
<Anton{Politoed}>
F6 Worst Spin-off (Dr. Mario 64, Mario Pinball Land, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Party 9, Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Party Advance, Mario Party 10, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Mario Kart Arcade GP Games, Super Mario Run, Game & Wario)
<Lakituthequick>
10) Mario Kart: Super Circuit — 40 — 2.51%
<Lakituthequick>
11) Dr. Mario 64 — 35 — 2.20%
<Lakituthequick>
12) Mario Super Sluggers — 24 — 1.51%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Hotel Mario — 16 — 1.00%
<Lakituthequick>
14) O. Mario Party: Island Tour — 6 — 0.38%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Mario Party: The Top 100 — 5 — 0.31%
<Anton{Politoed}>
not going to entertain Hotel Mario
<turb>
hotel mario :bugs:
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
what about
<smasher>
notel mario
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
Motel Mario
<smasher>
do we want to add the mps
<smasher>
are they disliked i haven't played them
<Anton{Politoed}>
the what
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
mario parties
<Anton{Politoed}>
9 and 10 are already there
<Gabumon>
not for 6 and 5 votes
<Anton{Politoed}>
oh that
<smasher>
ok
<Pitohui>
Yeah, I don't think they have enough write-ins to justify it
i just said that since we have only 12 nominees i don't feel strongly about adding anything
<Gabumon>
remove hammer bros
<Anton{Politoed}>
Fangs is significantly lower but also I hate them and Boss bass doesn't have a convincing amount either
<_2257>
per
<Gabumon>
move hammer bros to most beloved and precious
<_2257>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
we have to drive a campaign against Fuzzies to knock hammer bros off the #1 spot
<Anton{Politoed}>
once they're not 1st we can re-educate the masses
<Anton{Politoed}>
like we did with birdo in f1
<turb>
i agree
<Uniju>
i agree
<smasher>
hammer bros disliked π
<smasher>
that gap is small but so is 5 votes
<Anton{Politoed}>
none of the crafted world enemies posed any undue threat, did they
<turb>
i know theres a level that has some enemies with axes
<Pitohui>
There's a doll thing, maybe? Let me look
<turb>
that are invincible and chase you
<Uniju>
i cant think of any
<turb>
but i think they're part of the gimmick
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
you'd better not add cute and dangerous shy guy with a knife
<Pitohui>
Yeah, they're contractually named Killer Clowns on the Wiki. I could see folks being annoyed by them, but they are a core part of the level gimmick like turb said
<Pitohui>
*conjecturally
<Anton{Politoed}>
once i get to that level i'll see if i hate it enough for f3
<Anton{Politoed}>
F8 Worst Mario Kart Course (Choco Mountain, Sky Garden, Shy Guy Beach, Rainbow Road (SNES), Yoshi Falls, Grumble Volcano, Sherbet Land (N64), Koopa Beach 2, Banshee Boardwalk, Maka Wuhu, Rosalina's Ice World, Rainbow Road (Wii), Dolphin Shoals, Bone-Dry Dunes, Rainbow Road (N64), Baby Park, Figure-8 Circuit)
<Lakituthequick>
15) Koopa Beach 2 — 45 — 3.13%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Shy Guy Beach — 42 — 2.92%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Sky Garden — 23 — 1.60%
<Lakituthequick>
18) O. Rainbow Road (Wii U) — 11 — 0.76%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Cheese Land — 7 — 0.49%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Excitebike Arena — 7 — 0.49%
<Anton{Politoed}>
our last one before it gets difficult
<smasher>
what's a wii u
<Anton{Politoed}>
lemme check other years' results
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok nah, rainbow road wii u hasn't been top of the write-ins until 2018
<Anton{Politoed}>
prior years it was lower
<turb>
damn
<Anton{Politoed}>
if for some reason with 2019 everyone collectively decides to continue hating it, we can consider it in 2020
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
sounds good to me
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright now with us at nearly the halfway point, and the remaining set being dotted with discussions, let's have an Anton Has To Refill His Glass Of Milk break
<Mariofan169>
poor snes courses, they were during mario kart's puberty
<Rose>
Sorry to hop backwards, just popped back in for a moment and will say that I know some people hate the Killer Clowns with an avid passion
<Mariofan169>
too much hate
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<Anton{Politoed}>
milk refilled
<Anton{Politoed}>
out of the Fail Awards, there are 3 that I'm looking at to potentially be replaced
<Anton{Politoed}>
F9 is one of them
<Anton{Politoed}>
F9 Worst Direction of Series (Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Paper Mario, amiibo-centric/focused games, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, New Super Mario Bros., Mario 3D games, WarioWare, Yoshi, Mario & Luigi)
<Lakituthequick>
8) Mario & Luigi — 33 — 2.10%
<Lakituthequick>
8) Yoshi — 33 — 2.10%
<Lakituthequick>
10) Mario 3D games — 19 — 1.21%
<Lakituthequick>
11) O. Educational games — 7 — 0.45%
<Lakituthequick>
12) O. Mario Golf — 3 — 0.19%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Mario Kart — 2 — 0.13%
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm neutral on this award's existence
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's the lowest priority one for me as my reasoning may be premature, but my reason is that we may be losing the intention of the award's meaning
<turb>
it's pretty weak so i'd be fine with trashing it
<turb>
like i feel like
<Anton{Politoed}>
if new additions to relative series are good
<turb>
it's sort of just meandering along where the other ones aren't
<turb>
now that nintendo is actually making good games again lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
as the award critiques the downward trajectory of these all
<turb>
so it's less objective and more "god this SUCKS"
<Mariofan169>
not actually suggesting any changes (never mind that I'm not part of the council) but
<Mariofan169>
come to think of it the inclusion of the educational games is sort of odd
<Mariofan169>
how dare those toddlers try to learn
<Lakituthequick>
educational games are writeins
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah people like gold
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
people like odyssey
<Mariofan169>
ah, that makes sense
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
nsmb is dead
<turb>
people like crafted world
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm okay with scrapping this
<Anton{Politoed}>
if we are to keep it, the nominees will remain the same
<Pitohui>
I don't have a strong desire to get rid of it, but I'm not opposed at all. It does feel like it's become weaker in recent years. I'm fine scrapping it
<Anton{Politoed}>
but,
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove Worst Direction of Series as F10? (y/n/a)
<Anton{Politoed}>
I mean F9
<Anton{Politoed}>
numbers are hard
<Lakituthequick>
a
<Gamefreak75>
y
<_2257>
a
<Geeky>
a\
<Pitohui>
a
<Rose>
a
<Gabumon>
a
<turb>
a
<turb>
actually
<turb>
switch from a to y
<Gabumon>
I'm reluctant to vote before knowing its replacement
<turb>
that said, if we decide that we'd rather remove a different award like hte uh disappointment award
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<turb>
i'd want to reinstate this if we have no other ideas
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we have a single solid fail award replacement so far
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
no other suggestions yet
<turb>
yeah
<Gabumon>
if we're going to replace it with blockys worst remake idea, I'll vote yes
<turb>
worst remake
<Rose>
Worst remake is also something I'd like to see
<Anton{Politoed}>
I can't say because there's still 2 other awards I want to toy with removing
<Gabumon>
then I'll stay at a
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'll mark this one down as "people are open to removing it, but not yet"
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
works for me
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
like how actor is right now
<turb>
thats fine
<Anton{Politoed}>
so if there's a strong race between two new ideas, we have wiggle room
<smasher>
a
<smasher>
3-0-6
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright so
<Anton{Politoed}>
F10 Worst Game Mechanic (Dimensional Flipping (SPM), Star Bits (SMG & SMG2), Camera (3D Games), Vibes (SPP), Joystick twirling (MP1), Limited inventory (PM & PM:TTYD), Stickers/Battle Cards (PM:SS/PM:CS), Button mashing (MP1), Gyroscope/motion controls, Vehicles (MP9 & MP10), Extra life system, Chance minigames (Mario Party series))
<Lakituthequick>
10) Extra life system — 33 — 2.11%
<Lakituthequick>
11) Vibes (SPP) — 32 — 2.04%
<Lakituthequick>
12) Star Bits (SMG & SMG2) — 16 — 1.02%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Coins in Item Boxes (MK8/MK8D) — 2 — 0.13%
<Lakituthequick>
everything at 14 has exactly one vote
<Anton{Politoed}>
what sucked in crafted world
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
do people generally think the uhhhh
<turb>
not being able to lock on to shit while moving (yoshis crafted world)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
bowser's minion stuff is bad
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and if so can we quantify it as a mechanic
<Anton{Politoed}>
shrug, didn't play it
<Anton{Politoed}>
who did
<_2257>
i played it
<_2257>
the whole game was bad except for the cutscenes
<_2257>
because there was no gameplay
<Pitohui>
I can't think of any mechanics that felt bad to me in the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr. Journey
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
aight
<_2257>
you just set some initial variables and then the game played itself except for some minor things
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<Pitohui>
I do have a thought, but I'm not really sure if this is a game mechanic or if it belongs somewhere else. I've seen a bunch of complaints about how you can't play NSMBUDX without having one of the "easy mode" characters
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's possible
<turb>
it's tricky to quantify but i think it'd slide under the definition
<Lakituthequick>
that goes for four-player multiplayer only
<Pitohui>
Oh, yeah, that's a good point, LTQ. I have no idea how we'd go about wording it, though.
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other mechanics to consider
<Anton{Politoed}>
if not we can try to crunch down on the easy mode thing
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i got nothin'
<turb>
nothing i can think of
<Pitohui>
I have nothing else I can think of
<turb>
i brought up that crafted world thing but like
<turb>
that might literally be in woolly world too lol
<turb>
and wasn't that serious
<Anton{Politoed}>
do we want to try to figure out a name for that
<Gabumon>
No Lock-on while moving
<Gabumon>
(game name)
<turb>
forced to use easy in 4-player (nsmbudx)
<Gabumon>
oh, that
<turb>
i like edo's for the other one
<turb>
i wasn't sure which name we were actually making up lol
<turb>
so i just covered the other base
<Gabumon>
me neither
<Lakituthequick>
pedantic maybe but does the lack of a game mechanic work as well here
<Gabumon>
what do you mean
<Anton{Politoed}>
maybe!
<Lakituthequick>
as the award is for game mechanics, rather than the lack thereof
<Lakituthequick>
and locking on is not in the game
<Gabumon>
I havent played ycw
<smasher>
sorry for disappearing btw im busy rn
<Anton{Politoed}>
i didn't seriously want to pursue that as a nominee, btw
<turb>
dang
<Anton{Politoed}>
I just hate it because I don't like wasting eggs
<Gabumon>
but the wording you guys used implies you can lock on while not moving, right
<turb>
i brought it up because i played the demo and was also pissed at it
<turb>
i think you can
<Gabumon>
if so, a restriction on the lock on game mechanic qualifies
<Gabumon>
because it is a flaw on an existing mechanic
<turb>
if we don't want to seriously pursue the lack of lock-on i'd be fine with just the 4 player thing
<Anton{Politoed}>
we currently have a missed opportunity award that such a thing would fit into more appropriately
<Anton{Politoed}>
although the scale of that award is usually greater
<Lakituthequick>
i do agree that the 4-player one is more solid for mechanic
<Anton{Politoed}>
this is taking long
<turb>
yeah, the lock-on while moving reminded me of missed opportunity but I know that that's both up on the chopping block and a small scale thing
<Anton{Politoed}>
do we want the ez mode thing
<turb>
let's just sandwich ez mode in and move on
<Lakituthequick>
sounds good
<turb>
Forced to use easy mode in 4-player (NSMBUDX)
<turb>
that's all i can come up with
<Anton{Politoed}>
Compulsory easy mode in 4-player
<Anton{Politoed}>
?
<Pitohui>
Maybe "Forced to use Toadette or Nabbit in 4-player (NSMBUDX)"? I don't think it's officially called easy mode but I don't know if we're assuming people would get that or not
<Anton{Politoed}>
everyone's dead so I'm putting it to a vote purely to see if people are here or not
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add this easy mode thing, name tbd, to F10 Worst Game Mechanic? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<turb>
toadette/nabbit sounds better since that associates it with the characters
<Pitohui>
y
<turb>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
sorry, been handling something
<_2257>
a
<Geeky>
y
<Gabumon>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright so we'll add it, but I'll post somewhere in the staff board to come up with a name
<Anton{Politoed}>
probably general discussion
<Gabumon>
4-player easy mode lock
<Raregold>
y
<Rose>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
F11 Biggest Missed Opportunity (Sony partnership failure, Transphobia (Birdo, Vivian), Inadequate amiibo production, Super Mario Spikers cancellation, Mario Takes America cancellation, Failure of the Mario Artist series, Mario & Wario not being localized, Wrecking Crew '98 not being localized, Abandoning Paper Mario: Sticker Star early build,
<Anton{Politoed}>
Donkey Kong Racing cancellation, Super Mario's Wacky Worlds cancellation, Taking down fangames, Lack of online level sharing in SMM3DS, Wasted potential of Ruined Kingdom, Rejection of Archie Comics Super Mario series pitch)
<Lakituthequick>
14) Wrecking Crew '98 not being localized — 16 — 1.00%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Mario Takes America cancellation — 13 — 0.81%
<Lakituthequick>
16) O. Super Mario 64 2 — 6 — 0.37%
<Anton{Politoed}>
I feel like this needs work on it but I can't pinpoint what
<Anton{Politoed}>
it just still feels awkward despite a rework every year
<turb>
this has been reworked enough that i feel it's still struggling to like
<Gabumon>
4-player what I don't know if I even have 4 friends let me check assembling them will be hard so if im going to bother doing that i might as well play hard mode on top of it god just let me
<turb>
find a good definition
<smasher>
retroactive y to the last vote
<Anton{Politoed}>
I appreciate it filling a niche to allow people to just bitch about whatever they want
<Rose>
I mentioned last year about how some of these are related to business, some concepts, etc.
<turb>
it's just "hey guys what do you not like about mario and nintendo #communitypoll"
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's in that awkward case where - yeah, that
<Anton{Politoed}>
but it makes voting on it kinda weird
<Lakituthequick>
I find the names to be rather solid right now myself
<turb>
yeah like it's literally not bad since i like that niche and think having a bitch box is good
<Gabumon>
let me check something real quick
<turb>
but it's awkward to handle as staff
<Anton{Politoed}>
we can hone in on its scope
<Rose>
Let's keep transphobia and see if Magik votes for it /s
<Anton{Politoed}>
business decisions, game choices, etc.
<Anton{Politoed}>
instead of a free-for-all
<Rose>
I agree that would be wise
<Gabumon>
fffuck I cant find it
<turb>
that might be better suited to a forum discussion
<Rose>
Also agreed
<Lakituthequick>
Discussion notwithstanding I have one suggestion for a nominee in my notes
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok
<Lakituthequick>
"Properly localising obscure names in Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia"
<Lakituthequick>
or however it would be formatted
<Gabumon>
does anyone know where the page with last years polls on it is
it should be in the history of anniversary/2018 if you're looking for the actual polls but i think that the nominees can't be viewed since they closed
<Gabumon>
thats fine
<Gabumon>
I just want to look at the formatting
<Anton{Politoed}>
they'd be closed and not visible yeah
<Pitohui>
I think that would be a good addition, to be formatted however fits with whatever we decide upon. That said, I also agree we could probably narrow the scope with a forum discussion. I can see how we could make this something like worst business decision
I'm not opposed as a concept but what about the spacing
<Gabumon>
that way we can stop fretting over if people will understand what a missed opportunity is
<Gabumon>
and just tell them with a short sentence
<turb>
i love it
<Gabumon>
it's a table, so just do
<Anton{Politoed}>
I don't see why a sentence can't be right above the polls
<Lakituthequick>
sounds a good idea
<Gabumon>
award title
<Rose>
That sounds good to me
<Gabumon>
short description
<Gabumon>
poll
<Gabumon>
right now it is
<Gabumon>
award title
<Gabumon>
poll
<Anton{Politoed}>
I get that
<Anton{Politoed}>
I mean about fitting the sentence in there and the visuals of it
<Anton{Politoed}>
if it would look messy or shove everything out of the way and look gross
<Anton{Politoed}>
I guess that's not a concern in agreeing to use this concept and more in the execution of it later on
<Gabumon>
I dont think adding one cell between title and poll would look messy
<turb>
we could try testing it out in the formatting later with some example polls or something
<Gabumon>
I'm just kinda tired of having to rename this award every year and praying that it'll be clear this time
<Gabumon>
I'm like
<Gabumon>
85% sure this will work visually
<Anton{Politoed}>
i'm not gonna put this to a vote because I want to do this regardless
<Anton{Politoed}>
so :thumbup:
<Anton{Politoed}>
assuming this, this may put F11 into alignment
<Anton{Politoed}>
if not, I guess we'll see that when results come in
<turb>
thank god
<Anton{Politoed}>
additionally, I don't feel like we need to add or remove any nominees
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
freedom
<Lakituthequick>
:tada:
<Rose>
Praise the sun
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright moving on if there's no other commentary
<turb>
yeah i've got nothing else
<Anton{Politoed}>
F12 Worst Game Objective (Boshi Race (SMRPG), Yoshi Eggs (SMA), Blue Coins (SMS), Rabbits (SM64DS), Flopside Pit of 100 Trials (SPM), Piccolo (SPM), Duel of 100 (SPM), World 9 (NSMBW), Letters (PM), One million Coins (NSMB2), Green Stars (SMG2), Completing every level with every character (SM3DW), Star/Moon Coin challenges (MG:WT),
<Anton{Politoed}>
Chasing General White (PM:TTYD), Super Expert Mode (SMM), Beach Volleyball (SMO), Jump-Rope Challenge (SMO))
<Lakituthequick>
15) Piccolo (SPM) — 15 — 0.99%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Star/Moon Coin challenges (MG:WT) — 8 — 0.53%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Letters (PM) — 7 — 0.46%
<Lakituthequick>
18) O. Purple Coins (SMG1/SMG2) — 3 — 0.20%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. [nine million writeints] — 1 — 0.07%
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
you guys were talking about a bad crafted world objective, right
<turb>
literally saw that and thought we accidentally counted 9 million writeins as a vote
<turb>
before i realized
<turb>
also yeah
<Lakituthequick>
i mentioned shooting cows
<Lakituthequick>
don't know if thats bad
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd be okay with swapping purple coins and letters
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
because 4 vote difference
<Gabumon>
concur
<turb>
the coin challenges are low but i think that's more just a lack of people playing golf
<turb>
so i'd concur
<Pitohui>
That's a reasonable swap to make
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
more people play golf
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
please
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
please
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Sure let's swap that (y/n/a)
<_2257>
a
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Gabumon>
y
<turb>
y
<Geeky>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Lakituthequick>
"Sure let's swap that" for C34 Favorite Vote Announcement
<Gamefreak75>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
F13 Worst Mario Party Minigame (Tug o' War, Bash 'n' Cash, Flip the Chimp, Crane Game, Day at the Races, π ±OWSER'S π π ±IG π π ±LAST πππ (BOWSER's Big Blast), M.P.I.Q., The Beat Goes On, Game Guy Room, Pipe Maze, Right Oar Left?, Hot Rope Jump, Cheep Cheep Chance, Piranha's Pursuit, Cast Aways, Bob-omb Combo, Cheep Cheep Check, Bumper Balls)
<Lakituthequick>
17) Cheep Cheep Check — 22 — 1.77%
<Lakituthequick>
18) Bob-omb Combo — 17 — 1.37%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Paddle Battle — 9 — 0.72%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Get a Rope — 5 — 0.40%
<Anton{Politoed}>
this is one I would like to remove
<Anton{Politoed}>
repetitive results, and a bit difficult to know which one is which unless you’re fluent in the games or have the patience to search them all on the wiki and youtube.
people can never agree on which of the joystick twirling games is the worst anyway since theyre all the same
<turb>
o7
<Geeky>
o7
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
tfw we might actually do all of fail's review tonight
<Lakituthequick>
it was blast away
<Gabumon>
bowsers big blast will live on once tb gets it going
<Anton{Politoed}>
F14 Worst Setting (Subcon (SMB2), Starship Mario & galaxies (SMG2), Mushroom Kingdom (SM3DL), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT), Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT), Party Cube (MP4), Star Carnival (MP8), Shroom City (MPA), Party Islands (MP:IT), Egg Island (YNI), Transformed Wario Castle (WW),
<Anton{Politoed}>
DK Isles/Crocodile Isle (DK64), The Fun Fair & surrounding areas (MPL), Mushroom Kingdom (PM:SS))
<Gabumon>
or maybe he already has
<Lakituthequick>
14) DK Isles/Crocodile Isle (DK64) — 40 — 3.07%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Starship Mario & galaxies (SMG2) — 36 — 2.76%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT) — 32 — 2.46%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Bowser's hotels (Hotel Mario) — 3 — 0.23%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Isle Delfino (SMS) — 3 — 0.23%
<Gabumon>
idk
<Toadbert>
(he hasnt)
<Gabumon>
no change
<Rose>
No change
<Lakituthequick>
Not enough toasters
<turb>
skip
<Pitohui>
Yeah, nothing needs changing here
<Geeky>
I think it looks good as is
<Anton{Politoed}>
F15 Most Disappointing Game (New Super Mario Bros. 2, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Yoshi's New Island, Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games, Mario Party 10, Super Paper Mario, Mario Party 9, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Party: Island Tour,
<Anton{Politoed}>
Mario Party 8, Super Mario Sunshine, New Super Mario Bros. U/New Super Luigi U, Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser’s Minions)
18) New Super Mario Bros. U/New Super Luigi U — 19 — 1.19%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Super Mario 3D World — 15 — 0.94%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Mario Party: The Top 100 — 10 — 0.63%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Super Mario Odyssey — 9 — 0.56%
<Gamefreak75>
super mario party?
<Lakituthequick>
why's smo have 9 writeins
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
definitely swwap U and 3D world
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's 18 nominees so we'd have to remove something first
<Anton{Politoed}>
to add anything
<Anton{Politoed}>
swaps can do
<Anton{Politoed}>
people seem disappointed with crafted world so I'd like to ram that in
<Lakituthequick>
i though smp was received pretty okay
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
maybe also swap 3dland or bowser's minions for super mario party, but was it that disappointing?
<turb>
they are??
<smasher>
im alive
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i thought people considered it a good return to form
<turb>
im not opposed to it i just had no idea there was any disappointment
<smasher>
i think smp was well received
<Gamefreak75>
i feel like smp would do better than ycw
<smasher>
but i dunno
<turb>
i've been going "people liked it" like the whole meeting lol
<Rose>
I'm back to manning lights fare thee well
<Pitohui>
Yeah, I've seen specific elements cited as disappointing, but not Crafted World as a whole
<Gamefreak75>
the most i see about ycw being disliked is it's mediocre soundtrack
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's what I mean
<Anton{Politoed}>
everyone says it's a good game but there's lists of things that are wrong with it
<Anton{Politoed}>
seems disappointing to me
<smasher>
u and 3d world swap for sure
<turb>
oh
<turb>
yeah, i guess considering the title of the award it's fine
<turb>
if we're also adopting the sentence description to make it clearer that it's disappointment and not outright worst
<turb>
that's even better
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright so SM3DW, Crafted World
<Anton{Politoed}>
is there a 3rd
<Gamefreak75>
super mario party
<Anton{Politoed}>
gr8
<Gamefreak75>
i've seen people disappointed withit for the lack of content
<Anton{Politoed}>
because there's a 16 16 18
<Gamefreak75>
and i see a bunch of comments hoping for dlc for it
<Lakituthequick>
i could see that yeah, too few boards or something
<turb>
that sounds good
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Replace the bottom 3 nominees with Super Mario 3D World, Yoshi's Crafted World, and Super Mario Party? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Pitohui>
When you put it that way, I can see that
<Pitohui>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Rose>
Wait wait
<Rose>
Is Tennis Aces on there
<turb>
y
<turb>
ultra smash is on
<Gabumon>
y
<Rose>
y but still curious
<turb>
that's the tennis game that was even worse received
<_2257>
a
<Rose>
Yeah but I'd argue Aces is a different beast, since its gameplay was crazy good but people aren't happy with a lack of content overall
<Raregold>
y
<Gamefreak75>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
gr8
<Anton{Politoed}>
alright so that's the end of Fail Awards for this meeting
<Anton{Politoed}>
what I have in my notes to do after is:
<Anton{Politoed}>
*M15 thread for nominee suggestions and poll
<Gamefreak75>
:clap:
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Focus incubator thread on M19
<turb>
wii did it
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Potentially remove F9
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Figure out name for easy mode thing in F10
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Work on Fail Award definitions
<Anton{Politoed}>
so I'll get to all that Eventually
<Anton{Politoed}>
also focus replacement for F13
<Anton{Politoed}>
we'll address what we can out of that list in the next meeting, but after that is Community Awards
<Gamefreak75>
we added worst remake right
<Gamefreak75>
i know that was suggested at one point
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
raregold as we came up to it rather quickly, do you think you will be ready for it next week, or should we delay it a week and do something else next week
<turb>
thats 1 of the 2 replacements
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's a suggestion that wasn't officially added
<turb>
we just need to think of another
<turb>
if we do we can yeet f9
<Gamefreak75>
oh ok
<turb>
yeah not officially added yet but
<turb>
it's a strong contender and likely will be
<Anton{Politoed}>
if we don't address Community Awards, we will likely take it easy after going through that list of stuff
<smasher>
ill probably support worst remake
<Anton{Politoed}>
and I'll yammer on about some assorted tournament stuff and end early
<Lakituthequick>
nice, more sleep
<Anton{Politoed}>
with that said, the meeting is closed!
<Raregold>
Let's delay it a week so we can tie up any loose ends with Mario and Fail
<Anton{Politoed}>
thank you for joining everyone
<Anton{Politoed}>
well I mean
<Anton{Politoed}>
we can tie up the loose ends and then start Community all in one meeting
<Anton{Politoed}>
my question is more will Community be ready to start next meeting
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<Anton{Politoed}>
it's a short prep week as it's saturday and next meeting is friday
<turb>
thanks for hosting
<Raregold>
It might be a bit of a crunch to get everything in by Friday. Plus I am a bit short on time due to finals
<Raregold>
So It'll probably be wise to put it back a week
<Raregold>
Anyways I need to get going for now. See you all Friday
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