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<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's time
<Anton{Politoed}> 
welcome to another meeting 🎉
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this one has potential to be ezpzlemonsqueezy depending on how it flows
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we'll be starting with some of the forum threads, including the M15 poll and new award ideas
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seeing if there's any other loose ends for Mario and Fail
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talking about tournaments a little bit
 
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and then next week we'll dive right into Community Awards
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so, first up
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
the results are in
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everything with 5+ votes is now a nominee, as that many is 17
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as a giant block of text, that is:
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Overworld Theme (Super Mario Bros.), Main Theme (Bob-omb Battlefield) (Super Mario 64), Steam Gardens (Super Mario Odyssey), Waluigi Pinball/Wario Stadium (Mario Kart DS), Athletic (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Underground Theme (Super Mario Bros.), Delfino Plaza (Super Mario Sunshine), Gusty Garden Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy),
<Anton{Politoed}> 
The Grand Finale (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story), Buoy Base Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy), Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 64), Underwater Theme (Super Mario Bros.), Underground (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Rawk Hawk Battle (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door), Staff Roll (Super Mario 64), Regular Battle Theme (Mario & Luigi: Super Star Saga),
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Comet Observatory (Super Mario Galaxy)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
unless anyone is violently opposed to this, these nominees will be ushered in as our crop for M15 Favorite Instrumental Track
<Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8, so that's that on that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what next
<_2257> 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qp-cGWavJU everyone listen to the music that the awards committee, in its infinite wisdom, has failed to nominate
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
buddy
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
22
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
don't blame me
<_2257> 
did u hack the forum to set the number of votes it got ti infinity
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
no...
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so,
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M19 remains vacant
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<turb> 
im here
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turb drafted a list for a potential Best Villain nominee
 
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<Gabumon> 
it's ok 2257
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there is also the idea for a Favorite Mario Party Board
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i think best villain is good and would like to take it
<Gabumon> 
two things I'm pretty sure I mentioned somewhere didnt even make it onto the poll
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
favorite mario party board could work as well if we chose to replace favorite capture but
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that's not that necessary
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's been ample time to draft nominees, so I'm not lending any further for this decision
<turb> 
damn
<turb> 
also
<turb> 
i think mario party board might have the same specificity problem that worst mario party minigame had
<turb> 
board is definitely easie r to decide on than minigame though
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i don't think it's AS bad because there's generally only six or seven boards agame
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Select (1) Best Villain, or (2) Favorite Mario Party Board as our replacement award to work on for M19 (1/2/a/other)
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
as opposed to the absolute fuckton of minigames
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
1 though
<_2257> 
1
<Geeky> 
2
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
villain is the one i want to start with and do for sure
<Lakituthequick> 
1
<Gabumon> 
1
<turb> 
1
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so, here's the list for people whose scroll bars are broken
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this is just a draft and nothing final as we need to solidify what this award even is
<Anton{Politoed}> 
what I've been taking it as is, rather than a boss fight or whatever, it's a character award specific to villains who are neglected from Main Character and Supporting Character lists
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd say best villain should qualify the most memorable, iconic, and interesting villain as decided by the voters, based on their role in the story and actions and discounting their boss fights
<Lakituthequick> 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
I wouldn't say discounting boss fights
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but they won't be the focus
<Gabumon> 
you know
<Gabumon> 
like for 90% of ttyd, the driving antagonistic force of the plot is Sir Grodus
<turb> 
thats similar to what i brought up with the shroob princesses
<turb> 
because th eyounger one is the one who actually does shit
<turb> 
the elder doesn't do anything until the end
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd personally swap out Shadow Queen for Grodus because honestly
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
shadow queen doesn't really... have a personality
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
beyond "is evil"
 
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<turb> 
i guess the shadow queen herself could be memorable and different enough to be on the award along with grodus though
<Gabumon> 
the shadow queen is gonna get writeins if you do that
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i mean grodus doesn't much either but at least we get a lot of screentime with him
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
probably
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh
<Gabumon> 
I dont think you can do it
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
by the same token
<turb> 
like my draft has 3 villains who originated in the same game so I'm not worried about that
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i think we should put Count Bleck on
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
alongside dimentio
<_2257> 
if its by who has apersonality it should be crump
<turb> 
yeah tbh crump has the most personality out of basically all the ttyd villains
<Anton{Politoed}> 
The best Mario series or Mario spin-off series villain, major or minor. This award takes into account their role in the story, their actions, boss battles, and overall characterization.
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
in that a lot of people will remember him from spm and probably write him in
<Anton{Politoed}> 
how's that for a definition
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that's a good definition
<Gabumon> 
crump is comparable to popple, who is on the list
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'll take it
<turb> 
that's good
<turb> 
i think crump should be on if popple is on yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm fine with adding crump
<Uniju> 
the shadow queen is the best villain because the game lets you choose to serve her
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i think my opinion on the list can be summed up now as "add crump, grodus, bleck, and swap out elder princess for younger princess"
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
nothing else is coming to mind atm
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I won't add this as a new award just yet but rather offload this onto a forum topic later to work out the kinks for nominees and have this finalized quick and easy next meeting should it still look good
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
oh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
sure
<turb> 
gr8
<Anton{Politoed}> 
conversation can still flow though
<Anton{Politoed}> 
since we have a lax schedule
<Gabumon> 
how do we stand on groups as villains
<Gabumon> 
like
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
hmmmmmm
<Gabumon> 
we could just add
<Gabumon> 
X-Nauts
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'mmmm against adding large organizations
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
koopa bros are fine because they basically exist as a singular entity
<Gabumon> 
Shroobs
<_2257> 
addd mario
<_2257> 
hes the villain of donkey kong 2
<turb> 
i don't know about organizations as a whole since I feel like it's focusing on notable individuals
<Lakituthequick> 
those aren't bosses
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
feels like it's apples and oranges to compare groups with individuals
<turb> 
i did consider mario because of dk2 lol
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
ltq this isn't a boss award
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I think if they qualify as a species, they can go in the species award
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but if they're above that, they can work for this
<Lakituthequick> 
i'm awake, i swear
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
that's a blunt fist approach but _
<turb> 
i dont know what x-nauts are
<turb> 
i dont think we ever find out what's under their uniforms
<_2257> 
ltq has the plague
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we don't
<_2257> 
peach is
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but peach was able to fit into one
<turb> 
true
<_2257> 
they could just be like a collection of random people
<_2257> 
but so could shy guys, right
<Gabumon> 
I feel like we might have an easier time if we rebranded this into a "Best Villains" award
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
they could be me
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
they could be you
<turb> 
also yeah i added the koopa bros and stretched the definition a bit because there's probably nobody who's like "uh yeah i like specifically the red koopa bro and not the others"
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
THEY COULD EVEN BE
<Anton{Politoed}> 
"Villains" in movies and shows aren't always specifically an individual so I'm personally open to a group
<turb> 
best villains might be fine yeah
<Gabumon> 
and have the nominess be whoever carries their game the best
<turb> 
for what it's worth, I'm not opposed to groups and rebranding this
<turb> 
because even if the leaders are the charismatic ones, the other ones still put in the grunt work
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm okay with a rebrand but idk about replacing crump and grodus with just "x-nauts"
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
replacing princess shroob with the shroobs is fine though
<turb> 
i just don't know if a full rebrand focusing on groups would have a lot of nominees
<Gabumon> 
heres the thing: we arent replacing them
<Anton{Politoed}> 
The best Mario series or Mario spin-off series villain or nefarious group, major or minor. This award takes into account their role in the story, their actions, boss battles, and overall characterization.
<Gabumon> 
they arent even on the list right now
<Gabumon> 
because of limited space
<Gabumon> 
I want to get them into consideration
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
fair point
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Best/Favorite, btw
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but there's still three spots open, so
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thoughts, feelings, concerns
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'd say favorite
<turb> 
yeah favorite
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the other character awards are Favorite
<Gabumon> 
like, ideally I'd like to have all of them separate
<Gabumon> 
but if the choice is either to merge them or to cut them, I'm favoring a merge
<Lakituthequick> 
'favorite' for consistency probably
<turb> 
we can go with the previous changes and still have 18
<turb> 
since you'd be adding crump/grodus/bleck and replacing the elder
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah
<Gabumon> 
ok
<turb> 
I think it's something to consider in the forum thread as I'm not strongly in favor of groups one way or another
<Anton{Politoed}> 
also for something like
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Bowser
<turb> 
but as-is, I'm 100% open to the proposed additions to hit 18
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'm taking that as Bowser in all iterations and not splitting that up by game
<turb> 
yeah same
<turb> 
I'm taking it as just Bowser as a singular entity
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah
<Gabumon> 
theres also no smrpg representation
<turb> 
he doesn't really heavily vary in characterization throughout games anyway that i know of
<Lakituthequick> 
no need to split him up
<turb> 
yeah, i considered adding smithy to the draft
<turb> 
but the thing is like, i feel like no one actually likes smithy himself
<turb> 
the axem rangers are the only ones i can think of that might get votes
<turb> 
maybe belome or punchinello
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that could be a use for the groups thing
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
smithy gang
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
and then let others get write-ins as needed
<turb> 
oh
<turb> 
booster
<turb> 
i guess its debatable how much of a villain he is lol
<Meta_Knight> 
sorry i lost track of time
<Meta_Knight> 
im here
<turb> 
but still fits the criteria well enough if popple's there
<Gabumon> 
idk what people's opinion on her is, but
<Gabumon> 
what about the bird from the toad game
<turb> 
wingo?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
also idk if i'm englishing badly but I feel Favorite Villain can also imply a group without the need for pluralizing Villains
<Gabumon> 
yes
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i've never seen her get much traction
<turb> 
the x-nauts are an overall villain i guess
<Anton{Politoed}> 
only wondering because I'm #concerned that Villains would make singular nominees feel weird
<turb> 
i've never seen a lot of discussiona bout wingo
<turb> 
i think "overall villain of the story" can also imply groups so yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
someone who's better at wordsing please provide input
<turb> 
but i'm not an english major
<Meta_Knight> 
I think we should keep villains as singular nominees
<Anton{Politoed}> 
:koopa:
<Meta_Knight> 
like the shroobs are the overarching villains of the story, but the elder princess shroob is the one that commands them
<Meta_Knight> 
so she would be the main villain
<Meta_Knight> 
it would be like putting all koopas as a villain instead of bowser
<Gabumon> 
that wouldnt dissuade me, personally
<turb> 
well, i mean
<turb> 
the Koopa Troop
<Meta_Knight> 
but what i mean is like those are all armies of a greater villain
<turb> 
i've been hesitant about that nominee because it's mashing together 80% of the villains into one thing but like _
<turb> 
it's still headed by bowser
<turb> 
implications
<Gabumon> 
also like
<Gabumon> 
what about those rabbit thingies from odyssey
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
honestly with regards to the shroobs
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
the princesses don't DO much
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
especially elder
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
she literally spends 99% of the story trapped in a shiny rock
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I feel Broodals can be a compound one
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Koopalings?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
make a favorite koopaling award again for them, clearly!!
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
(don't do that)
<turb> 
broodals can be compound yeah
<turb> 
and koopalings
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
we should add them though, yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
like we can have both
<Meta_Knight> 
i guess we could go case by case
<turb> 
they're like the same shit as the koopa bros in that regard
<turb> 
package deal
<Gabumon> 
but yeah, now we've arrived at the space issue again
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I'd just want to avoid redundancy as much as possible
<turb> 
the younger princess is at least prominent and does some level of shit
<turb> 
the elder is uhhhh
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
with regards to the space issue i think that's what a forum vote should be for
<turb> 
like i GUESS you can say she's relevant in that she's the cobalt star in that one cutscene but lol
<turb> 
but yeah this should probably be forum'd for now
<BBQ_Turtle> 
I think Koopalings would be a good idea, and I wouldn't be against adding Broodlas but I'm not really sure how many votes they would get.
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so I think
<Gabumon> 
most people really liked odyssey, so chances are thered be at least some people
<Anton{Politoed}> 
"Favorite Villain" is the way to word it, and
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if we sprinkle some groups into the nominees, people will take that as they can write in another group we may not have included
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and also the definition says so
<turb> 
works for me
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as this is the first year we'd have this, we'll just have to see how people vote
<turb> 
tbh the only votes i want to disclude/merge are "bowser (some fucking shit in particular)"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
we could have another Favorite Song fiasco
<Gabumon> 
I would also like to add
<Gabumon> 
this is one of those awards where we already know the winner
<Anton{Politoed}> 
kamek
<turb> 
:pgp:
<Gabumon> 
so we should make sure to have strong competitors
<Anton{Politoed}> 
good point to keep note of
<turb> 
also, i feel like the top 3 in general may be predictable but i want to give this award a test run
<Gabumon> 
I feel like rolling some of them into groups allows them to have greater cumulative charisma
<turb> 
and see what we can do with it
<turb> 
and yeah i agree
<turb> 
i keep expecting it to be bowser/fawful/dimentio
<Gabumon> 
its gonna be bowser
<turb> 
but groups instead of one specific individual would be strong for stuff like the smithy gang and shroobs
<Gabumon> 
theres like almost no question
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah we can at least see what it's like
<turb> 
I'm honestly not opposed to awards where the winner is obvious provided the other nominees see variation
<turb> 
that was the problem with favorite actor
<Anton{Politoed}> 
with that, I'll wrap up this portion and go to the next. I'll make a thread for this after the meeting
<turb> 
everyone knew martinet would win but there was no variation below him either
<turb> 
also gr8
<Anton{Politoed}> 
next one to consider is the open Fail slot, F13
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there is an idea for Worst Remake that is mostly fleshed out and pretty much assumed to be taken in
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so hey let's decide that
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Vote: Pursue "Worst Remake" as the new F13? (y/n/a)
<turb> 
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
pretty obvious i'd say y lol
<Gabumon> 
y
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<BBQ_Turtle> 
y
<Geeky> 
y
<_2257> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
y
<Anton{Politoed}> 
gr8
<Anton{Politoed}> 
along with the list blocky made, there is this convenient page
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Lakituthequick> 
of course the wiki people would find a catch-all term for remakes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
blocky's list has 11 nominees and I don't see much reason to cherrypick from that at the time
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but we can snag some from that page to fill this up more
<Anton{Politoed}> 
should we think it's necessary
<Anton{Politoed}> 
keep in mind this is a Fail award
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
would tetris attack count lol
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but yeah the problem is the only other ones i know a lot of people played (the DKCR/TF ones and mk8) seem to be well received and considerd good
<turb> 
i was gonna say that because it removed the girls but i fucking love the yoshi characters and I'm glad that's what they replaced the girls with out of everything they had
<turb> 
god bless kamek
<Meta_Knight> 
isnt tetris attack good though
<turb> 
i'd say don't add anything else from this page btw
<_2257> 
tetris attack doesnt seem like a remake
<turb> 
there might be some ports that people write-in but _
<turb> 
it's a reissue i guess
<turb> 
of panel de pon
<_2257> 
its a localisation
<_2257> 
sometimes games get changes in localisation
<_2257> 
thtqa one got a lot of them
<_2257> 
its not the same as a reamke
<turb> 
thats true
<Lakituthequick> 
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
yeah, honestly
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i'm okay with just going with the list i had
<Anton{Politoed}> 
is everyone else cool with that
<Lakituthequick> 
y
<Gabumon> 
yes
<turb> 
y
<BBQ_Turtle> 
Yes.
<Geeky> 
y
<Meta_Knight> 
im okay with it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and with that, onto the next topic
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
gentle reminder to myself and others that we need to fill this out, at the very least by the time we finish with the Complete Review
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
I will do my best to remember to do it as to not have Edo do the whole list again (unless he wants to and chooses to do so)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but people can lob their ideas into that thread, as well
<Gabumon> 
who knows
<turb> 
reminder to myself to add definitions
<Anton{Politoed}> 
for other assorted loose ends
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
still need a name for that
 
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<Anton{Politoed}> 
turb had "Forced to use easy mode in 4-player (NSMBUDX)"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
could be chopped down to something like "Compulsory easy mode in 4-player (NSMBUDX)" but who knows if voters will take well to a $5 word
<turb> 
i think it's fine
<turb> 
I know there was also some discussion about replacing "easy mode" with "Toadette/Nabbit"
<Gabumon> 
I also had
<turb> 
voters might get it regardless though
<Gabumon> 
<Gabumon>
<Gabumon> 
9:19:32 PM
<Gabumon> 
4-player easy mode lock
<Anton{Politoed}> 
that could work as the most important words are all in there
<Gabumon> 
though reading it now, I guess I dont understand exactly how easy mode works in that game
<Gabumon> 
is it tied to characters
<turb> 
yeah
<turb> 
toadette and nabbit have extra jumps or something
<Gabumon> 
kinda like in sonic heroes
<Anton{Politoed}> 
some characters just like
<Lakituthequick> 
I feel like these somewhere imply that everything is now easy, when it's mostly just the unlucky player
<Anton{Politoed}> 
can't die
<Gabumon> 
team easy mode
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's that way in the whatever mario I have on wii u
<turb> 
and they removed the second toad in 4-player so you can't play normal mode for everyone
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the nabbit player doesn't take damage
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but also can't use items
<Gabumon> 
ohhh ok
<Gabumon> 
I get it
<Gabumon> 
so the issue is you run out of selectable characters
<Anton{Politoed}> 
basically yeah
<Gabumon> 
and have to use the easy ones
<turb> 
yeah
<Gabumon> 
well
<Gabumon> 
I feel like using the term "easy mode" at all is misleading then
<Lakituthequick> 
Nabbit is also nerfed in that they can't use items
<Gabumon> 
it should be something like limited character pool or something
<Lakituthequick> 
Peachette on the other hand
<turb> 
I like limited character pool a lot
<Anton{Politoed}> 
limited character pool is fine but I feel it should also imply that the character you have to pick is fucked
<Anton{Politoed}> 
words
<Meta_Knight> 
"Poor Character Variety"?
<Anton{Politoed}> 
let's just include this whole conversation as the nominee name
<Lakituthequick> 
Compulsory easy character in 4-player mode (NSMBUDX)?
<turb> 
good idea
<BBQ_Turtle> 
That sounds good.
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
maybe "easy mode character" for clarification?
<Lakituthequick> 
Compulsory easy mode character in 4-player mode (NSMBUDX)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Limited to easy mod character in 4-player mode (NSMBUDX) i'm a fucking genius
<Anton{Politoed}> 
mode*
<turb> 
i love it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
everyone's words make it in
<Gabumon> 
but you arent limited to easy mode characters
<Anton{Politoed}> 
limited to an* -s ?
<Gabumon> 
This kinda implies everyone is limited to them
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Limited to an easy mode character in 4-player mode (NSMBUDX)
<Gabumon> 
right now I'm tending more towards ltqs suggestion
<Gabumon> 
compulsory might be a bit verbose
<Gabumon> 
"forced" might also work
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Involuntary but that's more letters
<Anton{Politoed}> 
Forced to use easy character in 4-player mode (NSMBUDX)
<Lakituthequick> 
Forced easy mode character in 4-player mode (NSMBUDX)
<Gabumon> 
a bit less formal would be
<Gabumon> 
"Must use easy mode character in 4 player mode (title)"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
great
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i like that one
<turb> 
good
<Anton{Politoed}> 
unless anyone starts screaming I'm gonna roll with that one
<Meta_Knight> 
yeah its simple
<Gamefreak75> 
thats good
<Anton{Politoed}> 
because I'm getting hungry and idk how much further we can refine it
<BBQ_Turtle> 
I think that would work well.
<Geeky> 
I think it looks good
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright well aside from fleshing out M19 that seems to be it for tidying things up
<Anton{Politoed}> 
which means next thing on our list is just vague and general tournament discussion
<Anton{Politoed}> 
unless anyone had any immediate commentary on other topics or for this new one, I had a thing to say for this
<Gabumon> 
Veryly it is said that I must require you to, should no more sensible option present itself due to your tardiness in selection, bind yourself to one of the characters left-over that offer less of a challenge and bear the stigma of being associated with amateurism (title)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
:weary:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
alright so my thing was questions about doing the Art Contest this year
<Anton{Politoed}> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
every other year I've hosted it it has followed these rules here
<Anton{Politoed}> 
with 3 separate skill categories, and then just do whatever art you want in whatever theme and medium
<Gabumon> 
no picture should be forced to compete with a video
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I thought that would be the most fair way to do it as it would prevent beginners from being absolutely stomped by people who have more of a craft built
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and then that, yeah, is now a concern
<Anton{Politoed}> 
while skill levels aren't competing, mediums now are
<Gabumon> 
the thing is like
<Anton{Politoed}> 
this is a toughie to sort out because we don't have the number of participants to really qualify separate categories for differing mediums
<turb> 
yeah i was gonna say like
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so the option I have is to just restrict it
<turb> 
i'd say split categories were there enough people who could actually submit a video or something
<Gabumon> 
since we abolished tokens, there are much less hangups about getting experimental
<Gabumon> 
you could just have a separate category for videos
<Anton{Politoed}> 
there's less of an urge to compete for votes, yeah
<Gabumon> 
and if only one sends one in, hooray, youre the winner
<Anton{Politoed}> 
which is a concern that brings me into my next point later
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the theme has been very loose and this results in an unclear focus, and oftentimes direct pandering
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it's not the end of the world when that happens but idk man draw some marios
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so what I'd like to do is have a set theme to adhere to
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and to keep it fun instead of a formal decree
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I was gonna have open calls for themes and once a deadline hits I'll spin the wheel and whammo bammo that's our theme
<turb> 
i like the idea of either "hey draw mario" or "hey draw this specific thing with your own spin on it but mario"
<turb> 
preferably the latter
<turb> 
which is basically what you said anyway lol
<Gabumon> 
just to clarify
<Gabumon> 
"mario" is synonymous with "something from the mario series", right
<Anton{Politoed}> 
you may only use a Mario brush in gimp
<Anton{Politoed}> 
(yeah)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I don't want to outright ban community content if that's the follow-up
<Anton{Politoed}> 
just keep the focus tighter and have the competition be more in how the theme chosen is executed successfully
<turb> 
thankfully 95% of the community is something from mario
<Anton{Politoed}> 
potential them could be "Beach Episode"
<Gamefreak75> 
all art is rejected unless it contains a hyperealistic depiction of mario
<Anton{Politoed}> 
theme*
<Gabumon> 
"Mario should not be allowed to (x)"
<Geeky> 
I think I like the Beach theme, it would take place in Summer
<Gabumon> 
"Bowser's secret"
<_2257> 
no, winter beach episodes only
<Anton{Politoed}> 
vague titles too yeah !!!!
<Anton{Politoed}> 
theme lottery is gonna be good
<Anton{Politoed}> 
so I'll do that and open the thread soon
<Anton{Politoed}> 
as for judging
<Gamefreak75> 
<Anton{Politoed}> 
rather than there being a solid "This Is The Winner" I was thinking different award categories
<Gabumon> 
"Luigi has a strange encounter at the grocery store"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
like how art shows in galleries have shit like best in show, best photograph, most unique concept, etc.
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I feel that would allow a particular submission that may not fare well in one category, do better in another
<Anton{Politoed}> 
depending on how they're worded
<Lakituthequick> 
so an experience tier can have three polls each
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but if people like the idea I'll pursue it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
may do away with experience tiers if we're gonna have separate awards entirely
<_2257> 
most covert send up of the artists fetish
<Anton{Politoed}> 
yeah
<turb> 
good
<Gabumon> 
"A normal day at Dr Mario's clinic"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but how do people feel about medium restrictions
<Anton{Politoed}> 
or could that fall under a Theme
<Gabumon> 
"Daisy makes a new friend"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
my goal is just to keep it as open to as many participants as possible
<_2257> 
the theme of our contest is static images
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I don't want to leave anyone out by specifying only acrylic paints
<Anton{Politoed}> 
could just enforce a rule that it's static yeah
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if we don't have experience levels, that would be the next best way I can imagine keeping things even
<turb> 
I feel like that'd be the best
<Gabumon> 
we could probably still have levels
<_2257> 
its definitely going to look like a specific attack on tpg though
<turb> 
i think we could have levels but like i'm less concerned about them with the abolishment of tokens
<_2257> 
even though these public logs will probably also look that way
<Anton{Politoed}> 
well he is the one who introduced videos into the mix yeah but also ltq could've done it too
<Gabumon> 
I think tpg is intelligent and reasonable enough to understand that its not meant that way
<Anton{Politoed}> 
it just hadn't been done before and when it happened I saw a lot of clamoring that it was good BECAUSE it was a video and solely that made it impressive
<Gabumon> 
like
<Anton{Politoed}> 
which felt both unfair to everyone else, and kind of dismissive of whatever other work tpg did to make the video
<Gabumon> 
"don't pit a video against a static image" is a reasonable point
<Gabumon> 
and it's not his fault that there wasn't any system for this in place at the time
 
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<Lakituthequick> 
you could also ask the voter to vote as if the piece were the same medium, like "imagine anton's abstract art were a video, would it or tpg's actual video be better"
<Lakituthequick> 
but i don't know how that would work in detail
<_2257> 
that sounds like a wildly impossible thing to ask people to do
<Gabumon> 
I don't think that's gonna work
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
that feels like it couldn't work at all
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
also hi, sorry for being quiet
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i just have very little to contribute on this particualr topic
<Lakituthequick> 
i also don't think it would work well but just throwing it out
<Anton{Politoed}> 
critiquing art is an art
<Gabumon> 
"(character) discovers the internet"
<sobble> 
gotta be an art to critique an art
<_2257> 
the theme for this year's contest will be critiques of the entries of last years contest
<Anton{Politoed}> 
good idea
<turb> 
good idea
<Anton{Politoed}> 
anyways I think this gave me a good direction on how to approach this
<Gabumon> 
"(character) and (character); role reversal"
<Anton{Politoed}> 
thx
<Lakituthequick> 
"write a 500 word review to submit your vote"
<_2257> 
toad & bowser role reversal
<Gabumon> 
good idea
<Gabumon> 
excited for your image
<Anton{Politoed}> 
toad naked but just with spike bracelets
<Gabumon> 
bad idea
<Gabumon> 
please burn your image
<_2257> 
:pensive:
<turb> 
bowser but he has a cool hat though
<_2257> 
toaads hat...?
<turb> 
yeah
<turb> 
and uh, a vest
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
toad very excited (with his legs showing)
<Anton{Politoed}> 
any other tournament ideas to bring up?
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i don't have any
<Anton{Politoed}> 
the starting window is June 1st still so that's coming up quick
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
other than "let mafia stay dead
<Anton{Politoed}> 
but without tokens there's less need for massive setup
<turb> 
hopin g that ljs eventually elaborates on luigis mansion hint hunt
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
i kind of hope he doesn't
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
it's funnier that way
<Gabumon> 
"After the Mario Party"
<turb> 
that scene from real housewives where kim richards is screaming at lisa rinna
<Anton{Politoed}> 
if that's it for now, we can end early
<Anton{Politoed}> 
good scene, amazing scene
<Anton{Politoed}> 
why don't you have some bread and maybe you'll calm down
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
everything i had actual comments on is on community awards
<Anton{Politoed}> 
let's ask about the husband
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
why do you make me suffer
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
why, anton
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
why
<Anton{Politoed}> 
beast? how dare you
<Anton{Politoed}> 
community awards next week
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
but that's a whole EIGHT DAYS
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
/eight days, anton/
<Anton{Politoed}> 
thanks for showing up everyone! I'll get the M19 board rolling soon
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
y
<Anton{Politoed}> 
thread
<Honoka_Chaosaka> 
*yw
<turb> 
:clap:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
and I'll do a thing with the art contest soon
<Anton{Politoed}> 
I need to find a good image to use for the OP
<Lakituthequick> 
:tada::zzz:
<Anton{Politoed}> 
can't make a thread without a good image
<Anton{Politoed}> 
idk how I'll top last year's
<Anton{Politoed}> 
good art contest theme idea
<Anton{Politoed}> 
topping
<Lakituthequick> 
take a photo of poop and throw a bunch of instagram filters over it
<Anton{Politoed}> 
good idea
<_2257> 
that suggestion sounds very different depending on how much context you have
 
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<turb> 
a lot of people could quote me saying "i love Poop" out of context