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Topic set by Anton{Politoed} (Mibbit@048-200-687-565.res.spectrum.com) on za, 17 apr 2021 01:10:22
Welcome to the Mario Wiki Anniversary official channel!
Channel created on do, 29 jan 2015 19:28:37
<Rose>
If Aquatic Ambience doesn't make it to DK poll I'm throwing hands
<Rose>
Damn now that I'm looking at this I feel like there's a song from 2 that's missing
<Rose>
But it's too late
<@turb3>
honestly i am going to throttle you guys if greenhorn ruins doesnt make it on the poll when half the ost of wlsi is a remix of that or greenhorn forest
<@turb3>
like waht the FUck
<Pitohui>
I voted for the three of them a while back. [s]Vote for Seashore War in DK though[/s]
<Pitohui>
Turb, I feel the same way
<@turb3>
i didnt vote for anything from tropical freeze since i didnt play that game very much
<Pitohui>
Bring the Greenhorn duo, people
<Rose>
Ambience tied for most votes :jeb:
<Rose>
Forest Interlude
<Rose>
That's what's missing
<Rose>
Is it too late to insist that we add Forest Interlude anyway since apparently it was the composer's favorite song in DKC2
<@turb3>
anyway also you dont need to uh
<@turb3>
vote specifically for 15 tracks
<Smasher>
donkey kong was the only one i felt good voting about
<@turb3>
if you dont know 15 tracks you want to vote for
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i stand by what i said that greenhorn forest feels like the most Wario fo songs
<@turb3>
im just skipping all the yoshi tracks i dont know what they sound like
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's just
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
wario, as a piece of musi
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
c
<@turb3>
i think that we could possibly visit forest interlude during like a review of mario
<@turb3>
as of right now i'm not sure if we can really do much with it
<@turb3>
not that we're officially Banned from doing that this meeting but for now i will probably focus on finalizing the nominees and then we can bring that up in forum threads or during the review
<Smasher>
imlistening to forest interlude and if i had remembered this song existed i probably would have nominated it but its too late
<@turb3>
better to make progress on mario and fail at the moment
<Smasher>
probably
<Rose>
Cool cool
<Smasher>
maybe idk
<@turb3>
yeah i also forgot it existed even though i like the song
<@turb3>
lol
<Rose>
I'll mention Interlude again later
<Lakituthequick>
I am proud to announce that I voted in all three polls
<@turb3>
me too
<Smasher>
:kleepain:
<@turb3>
meeting time
<@turb3>
hold on let me remember how to introduce things
<@turb3>
feels like there's a chunk of people missing though
<Smasher>
ill take one last look at the wario and yoshi polls and see if theres enough i recognize
<Rose>
Yeah we're missing plenty of people
<@turb3>
god.........!
<Pitohui>
Flotzo, NS, Goombuigi, 64-Bit, off the top of my head
<Pitohui>
Oh, and BBQ
<@turb3>
i know anton would be gone so i dont mind there
<@turb3>
i just dont know where the others are
<@turb3>
anyway meeting
<@_2257>
i remembered forest interlude but i put it on my second nominee list
<@turb3>
thanks for coming
<@_2257>
whcih anton ignored because there were too many dk nominees
<@turb3>
oh :pensive:
<@turb3>
thtats true
<@turb3>
there were many
<@turb3>
uhh so today we are going to have like a 15 minute grace period to vote in the music polls if you have not already
thx i was getting very frustrated at how the polls don't sort things in a way that makes any sense
<@turb3>
i'll have this open to get things finalized later
<@turb3>
anyway
<@turb3>
i think it's best if we come to a hard decision this meeting on whether we go for discord/irc for the chat party this year
<@_2257>
oh, im glad you already made that
<@_2257>
i didnt want to do it again
<@turb3>
personally i was in favor of irc but 22 brought up some good points, though I am still hesitant regarding the logistics issues of moderating the whole thing and ensuring no logs are lost to somebody deciding to be cheeky and just delete their entire account and wipe out the entire context of a conversation or something
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<@turb3>
but that's something that I assume we can work around using logging bots and the like
<Alex95>
yeet
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<@turb3>
unfortunately rose has also had his connection explode and we're missing a chunk of people so _
<Lakituthequick>
Deleting accounts just removes their username from their message and replace it with "Deleted user 34tcwdrg"
<Lakituthequick>
Messages remain
<@turb3>
don't know how much we can come to a full agreement right here right now but i'll give it some time
<Pitohui>
I laid out some of the reasons I'm hesitant to move from IRC, but, then, I also personally like IRC less than Discord and I think 22 raised strong points, so I wouldn't oppose moving to Discord
<@turb3>
oh good
<@turb3>
do they have to do the "delete every message manually" thing
Rose has joined #mwikiawards
<@turb3>
still, i'd prefer if the party was hard backed up through a logging bot
<@turb3>
as IRC is something that facilitates that
<Lakituthequick>
Very possible
<@turb3>
hi rose i'll get you logs in a second
<Pitohui>
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a Discord Chat party saw a lot of users just... talking through user servers instead of the Mario Wiki server
<Rose>
mfw booted while in a different tab
<Lakituthequick>
Bots can do that as 22 already mentioned
<@turb3>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43754/
<@turb3>
here's the thread about this
<@turb3>
i dunno i guess that is a valid concern as well
<Rose>
Oh we're talking venue got it
<@turb3>
the fact that there's going to be a lot of people who might just not want to talk in steve LOL
<Lakituthequick>
Well
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah i think regardless of what 22 said, n/o, there really is just a different impression
<Lakituthequick>
It's easy to just join Steve for one evening
<@turb3>
i don't know how big of an amount of people there is that would rather just avoid steve entirely but would be willing to join irc
<@turb3>
also i disagree because
<Lakituthequick>
Especially if there's logs after
<@turb3>
the fact is
<@turb3>
steve is still an official venue of ours
<@turb3>
and even if these people aren't like directly involved in the community this is a good opportunity to get them involved in it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
not in that way
<@turb3>
my hangup is still entirely on "do i want to kill myself moderating discord"
<@turb3>
if that can be worked around i'm open
<@turb3>
anyway let me grab context for rose
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i just meant in the "it really is different talking with an audience of lurkers than without"
<Lakituthequick>
Moderating Discord is not that much different I feel
<@turb3>
https://pastebin.com/qjHxuKV1
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
at least in my experience
<@turb3>
well we share an area with steve and everything
<@turb3>
this is a self contained channel
<@turb3>
granted, if they are spamming in the awards channel they probably need to be euthanized regardless
<@_2257>
whats the issue with moderating discord
<Smasher>
back sorry
<@turb3>
can't ip ban
<Smasher>
i voted in yoshi but i am not familiar enough to vote in wario at this time unfortunately
<Lakituthequick>
Discord does IP banning
<@turb3>
makes it a lot more annoying to toss people out
<@turb3>
does it
<Lakituthequick>
Yeah
<@turb3>
damn
<@_2257>
well, you can ban their account, in which case they have to make a new account
<Pitohui>
There's not enough Wario appreciation here
<@turb3>
i'm very not technologically savvy with discord
<@_2257>
right??
<@turb3>
i think so
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yea
<@_2257>
that should slow them down
<@turb3>
idk how exactly the security settings in steve are but anyway like
<@turb3>
if moderation isn't a problem and logging isn't a problem then that's that
<Lakituthequick>
Yeah but if that new account shares an IP with the banned account they'll still be barred
<@_2257>
probably at least as much as refreshing an ip address, which is not hard to do
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also can i make a comment re: the "get people involved in the community" thing that iis not meant as an argument against discord
<@turb3>
yes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
ok
<Smasher>
going to state rq that i can be convinced either way but as of now im in favor of discord per 22s post
<@turb3>
honestly it's difficult for me to be the one having this discussion since i feel like i'm less well equipped to lay out points for/against things than anton is, since he's more involved in moderating the discord than i am
<@turb3>
i have it muted LOL
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
this is just a personal observation and it's not meant to be a "we should stay on irc" point, but i really don't think the people who are only on discord have any interest in the community outside of it. people like tnt have already been made aware of the forum and shroom and such and have proceeded to not interact. i think they just might not care. however the other pro-discord arguments...
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
...remain with some strong weight so this isn't some "gotcha bitch" moment because the pro-discord arguments are pretty solid
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i just... don't see, in my experience, any hypothetical people who are this close to being involved int he wider community but miss out because awards is held elsewhere
<@turb3>
yeah i know not everyone is going to care
<@turb3>
and i'm sure that people are aware of the fact that stevecord is attached to a website
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's not even an argument really it's just a personal viewpoint
<@turb3>
i would like, in theory, for there to be an influx of people who come in and at least dip their toes in and maybe take some presentation slots to offset the amount of backup presenters having to die for the cause
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
wait so
<@turb3>
i almost feel like kg was better at doing that than discord has been...........
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
kg was great at that
<Pitohui>
You aren't wrong, Turb
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i support the idea of making kg contingent on presenting again
<Smasher>
:hutaowobble:
<Pitohui>
I speak as one of the people who finally got more involved because of KG
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think it's because kg is less detached from awards than the chat party, really
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's right there, in the board, where you can press people's faces into it and go "help"
<Rose>
The honest question I have to ask is, are awards going to be enough of a draw for people to go "look I should join the community more often" if we're discussing it in Discord
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
probably not
<@turb3>
we might get more general awards activity from like zelen/etc. is my thought
<@turb3>
people who are around the community but don't like irc
<Rose>
Or are they just going to mute the channel because it's another event they're not interested in
<@turb3>
rather than SPECIFICALLY tnt or mariomaniac or something
<Pitohui>
The Chat Party doesn't feel like it's so much detached from Awards so much as something that just doesn't have its own draw
<@turb3>
people who are valid members of the community but don't have much interest in stuff outside the scope of awards
<@turb3>
er
<@turb3>
outside the scope of discord
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
see that perspective makes more sense, turb
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i can vibe with it
<Rose>
Like if we were posting Awards presentations in the Discord, I think that would feel different than us just talking about awards in there
<Rose>
Not that I think we should be putting the presentations in Discord
<@turb3>
like blof, zelen, etc are all people who are interested in awards but i could see being interested in the community discussion aspect more if the chat party is moved
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
"get people who are otherwise uninvolved" is harder than "get people who are Kinda Involved to Really Involved"
<@turb3>
THAT SAID i kind of use the chat party as a way for me to keep on fucking schedule by updating the topic hhhhhhhhh
<@turb3>
so like i prefer irc for that alone so it's just something where
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
use this channel to update the topic
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
problem solved
<@turb3>
i don't really have a strong foothold either way and could be convinced on either aspect
<@turb3>
yeah but then i'm the only person seeing it
<Rose>
Like, either way, every user who wants to engage with awards has to have two different tabs over, one for the boards and one for the chat client
<Pitohui>
We've pretty successfully gotten people like BloF and Zelen to (re)join The 'Shroom again this year, so I do think there's a case to be made for getting those types of folks more involved in Awards
<@turb3>
idk if anyone else cares about the topic updates as much as i do
<@turb3>
also yeah true rose
<Rose>
So I don't think there's too much to argue in terms of extra convenience with discord
<Rose>
We just need to tell people "it's so not hard to join awards channel on irc just follow this handy link Turb posted"
<Lakituthequick>
If we're getting a log bot anyway could as well make it announce the up next thing
<@turb3>
that is also a valid point
<@turb3>
the bot thing
<@turb3>
but also the thing with discord is
<@turb3>
i guess the idea is that people will be more willing to poke in if it's a channel on a server that they've already joined
<@turb3>
since even "click this link" is more Effort than usual
<@turb3>
the "how much effort do i have to put in" effect is definitely a real thing
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i do think that if we want to do that we're gonna have to set the groundwork before awards day
<@turb3>
not meant as like, disparaging, that's just literally a thing
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
make sure people know this is a thing and not just "weird random new channel with zero context"
<@turb3>
yeah the plan was to have it be set up well before awards day
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh ok
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's been sounding like the plan was to just make it on awards day and shout EVERYONE GET IN HERE
<Rose>
Applesbot joins Steve discord as our bot and after awards ends it systematically deletes the entire server
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
context is important
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rose: yes please
<@turb3>
no i would want to have a public channel open for that for a while
<Pitohui>
Nah, nah Rose
<@turb3>
for general awards discussion and announcing the party in advance
<Pitohui>
You delete the entire server but the Awards channel before the party
<Lakituthequick>
:worry:
<@turb3>
i guess we could just come to like a compromise of test running an awards channel in steve
<Rose>
:jeb:
<Pitohui>
So people come in to see what's up and then stick around in the only channel left, [i]Clearly[/i]
<@turb3>
and seeing what comes of it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
actually that would be pretty sensible
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
make the channel early, see if it produces anything, and then adjust accordingly
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd be down for that
<@turb3>
granted that's not going to be a complete demographic especially since the chat party won't be happening as of yet
<Smasher>
i like this idea
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think it'll still be a good thing especially if we like
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
try to encourage discussion
<Lakituthequick>
Said channel can also just be under #the-shroom initially and move to the top on awards day like the forum board
<Pitohui>
Test running a public channel is not a bad idea
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
bring up topics as we go
<@turb3>
but i do think testing the waters for General awards discussion might be a cool thing
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
like, if we start the engine and then other people continue of their own accord it's clearly worth it
<Pitohui>
Turb let's you and I work on cross-promoting, get more discussion in the Awards channel and the Shroom channel
<Rose>
I just assumed that whenever we decided on using discord or not we'd make the channel then
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
but if it ends up beign All AC All The Time
<@turb3>
that sounds like a good idea
<@turb3>
@ pito
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that'd be a sign it ain't working
<@turb3>
well the meetings should stay on irc for this year anyway
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah not the meetings
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
more just like
<Pitohui>
I try to seize upon discussion in the Shroom channel when it comes up but not enough people talk in there
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
throwing general thoughts, topics, etc
<Pitohui>
We have a lot more 'Shroom discussion in Rose's server
<Pitohui>
Were I will also be telling everyone to make presentations
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's because i tell all the horror stories there
<Pitohui>
*Where
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
the pi ghosting tale...
<@turb3>
honestly it's really frustrating that i can't remember another point i was going to make
<@turb3>
but for now I am in favor with talking with steve in getting the awards channel actually set up but not really coming to a hard decision on discord/irc
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i support this
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and the concept of encouraging discussion and using the awards channel as a test drive
<Pitohui>
Hey, Turb, out of curiosity, does it actually matter there's only seven of us here tonight?
<Rose>
Yeah even if we don't host the party there
<@turb3>
it's really hard for me to judge whether there actually is an amount of people who would rather participate on discord ONLY and if there's a sizeable amount
<Rose>
I think an awards channel makes a lot of sense
<@turb3>
uhhhhhhh god fuck
<Pitohui>
I am also support of the proposal
<Rose>
And should be done
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i can't believe this meeting is invalid
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
no quorum
<@turb3>
well i'd much rather there be more people but idk what we can do about it unless we hunt down everyone else
<Rose>
Because people can talk about tournaments and everything in there too
<@turb3>
i'll go and ping ns and goombuigi
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh shit tournaments are a GREAT use for it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that'd be a perfect way to see how well itworks
<Lakituthequick>
Yeah
<@turb3>
they're both offline so like yeah
<Pitohui>
Tournaments arranged in the channel is smart
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
use it to shill tournaments and see who bites
<Rose>
I'm kinda surprised nobody else immediately thought of this lol
<Lakituthequick>
The channel can easily be used for more than just the chat party
<Rose>
This was all the very first stuff I was thinking of with the channel
<Pitohui>
Mario Party, Smash, the other ideas people are kicking around
<@turb3>
i dunno that was like what i had in mind for the channel
<Pitohui>
Rose you have to SPEAK UP
<@turb3>
if only because we have to make sure that the channel actually functions instead of peeing the floor when it comes time for awards day and none of the channel permissions are working
<Lakituthequick>
Pro-tip: Discord can preview role permissions
<@turb3>
ultimately i just think there are a lot of people who are discord-only who might not want to make the trek to irc, but at the same time, I actually do think we got much bigger interaction and attendance, still on irc, than usual
<@turb3>
last year
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah
<Rose>
But yeah please make #awards channel regardless of what happens with party
<@turb3>
like i expected the numbers to dwindle but no they were about on par
<@turb3>
yes i agree with that
<@turb3>
so i guess i'll mark that down as uhh
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
at the end of the day this is really the kind of thing we can only determine emperically
<@turb3>
Make #awards, Bring up in #wombat ASAP so we can get the ball rolling on that
<@turb3>
mario time i think
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also yeah this is like
<Pitohui>
Unironically, I think hard promotion in Rose's server helped bring people into IRC last year,
<Pitohui>
So the moral of the story is
<Pitohui>
Everyone, promote Awards wherever you are
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
literally the first time i've been hearing the whole discussion regarding "making the awards channel early"
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
ok pitohui
<@turb3>
actually not even "make" we might just be able to reuse the existing channel like 22 said
<Lakituthequick>
Time to shout at people in bus stops
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i will do it on my other website
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
they won't know anything but that won't stop me
<Pitohui>
[s]you mean you aren't already doing that, LTQ?[/s]
<Rose>
But if we reuse the existing channel people can scroll up and be reminded that freakworld exists
<Lakituthequick>
:perhaps:
<@turb3>
:worry:
<Rose>
Wait
<Pitohui>
Does it not make sense to keep an underground Awards chan- oh no, actually, meetings are public I guess
<Pitohui>
So nevermind that
<Rose>
Okay I think he's Deleted User never mind we're in the clear
I'm leaning against using the hidden channel because while it's not really used, it's still there for if we do need it
<Lakituthequick>
Oboy hold on
<Pitohui>
We were thinking about axing this this year, right?
<@turb3>
so this is on the chopping block yes
<@turb3>
I've had people mention awards ideas to me
<Lakituthequick>
14) Lakitu - 29 - 1.61%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Chargin' Chuck - 28 - 1.56%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Parabones/Paragoomba - 21 - 1.17%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Banzai Bill - 3 - 0.17%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. RC Car - 3 - 0.17%
<Pitohui>
I've been trying to think of new Mario Awards this week but I'm not coming up with any
<Pitohui>
GBA did suggest favorite Mario Party board today, I caught, though
<@turb3>
anton had the conceptualization of a Favorite Mario 3rd party property(?) with regards to like, the Lego sets, the monopoly board, merch like that
<@turb3>
i don't think we should spend tooooooo much time brainstorming since the award incubator thread exists
<@turb3>
but i'll allow it
<Rose>
If we can somehow sparse down however many minigames we could also have Favorite Mario Party Minigames
<Pitohui>
Oh, now that's an interesting one
<@turb3>
i also caught favorite mario party board as well
<Pitohui>
The 3rd party, not the Minigames, I mean
<@turb3>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/
<Rose>
Pitohui doesn't find my idea interesting : (
<@turb3>
if people want to plop any ideas in for the m23 replacement
<@turb3>
the wiki does document stuff like the lego sets and monopoly board and it would have to be official merch
<@turb3>
don't know how big the pull on stuff like that is but it might be bigger than mario party for all i know
<@turb3>
merch is more accessible
<@turb3>
still, just kind of ideas floating around for now
<Smasher>
im here
<Rose>
no you aren't
<Smasher>
sorry i got busy with something
<Pitohui>
I keep trying to think of new things for Awards this year but my mind's on loop on "the Cat Mario Show". I've never even seen the Cat Mario Show. Someone aid me.
<Lakituthequick>
I've never really looked at merch covereage on the wiki
<Smasher>
i keep forgetting we have a hidden channel because i dont have access to it for some reason
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i do think that the idea of favorite merch is a good one
<Rose>
Favorite Cat from Bowser's Fury
<Lakituthequick>
I feel like it's a bit flakey usueally but Lego is probably well knows because it's advertised well
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd have to do some digging
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
see what's an option
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
but that could be fun
<@turb3>
the lego stuff i think is probably the best known/biggest draw
<Rose>
Merch becomes tricky because we have to account for every different Mario plushie or toy
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
lump them into groups?
<@turb3>
as before, if anything immediately comes to mind that escapes this topic then be sure to put it in the incubator thread
<Pitohui>
Yeah, it'd have to be more defined than "merch"
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
plushes, etc
<@turb3>
i was thinking groups yes
<Lakituthequick>
Also yes what would qualify
<@turb3>
plushes, lego, monopoly, so on
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
minigames i think would be a fool's errand because there's hundreds upon hundreds
<@turb3>
it's a very rough idea that we'd need to flesh out more
<Lakituthequick>
Singular items or groups of them
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and honstly
<Pitohui>
Would, like, Super Nintendo World gift shop items qualify
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i barely remember any specific minigames
<@turb3>
i think we had a worst mario party minigame lol
<@turb3>
possibly pitohui
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we were fools
<@turb3>
favorite socks
<Pitohui>
Oh, there are Mario socks, true
<Pitohui>
My mother has a pair because Gamestop gave them to us when they closed
<Rose>
Favorite Stock Character Art
<Smasher>
i think the merch idea has potential
<Lakituthequick>
I mean, what doesn't exist
<Smasher>
i have some socks too
<Rose>
Do you like Mario standing forward or Mario standing forward more
<@turb3>
anonymous benefactor also submitted an idea for the Biggest Dick award but we'll shelve that for the pre-e3 meeting
<Rose>
Hey here's a thought
<Lakituthequick>
the what
<Rose>
Is there some way to make uhhhhhh Favorite Game Gimmick, like you've got the Caps from 64, FLUDD from Sunshine, antigravity from Galaxy, capturing from Odyssey
<Rose>
I don't know if this would actually work
<Rose>
But
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we've got Worst Game Mechanic soooo
<@turb3>
that's kind of a similar concept as game mechanic i think
<@turb3>
which is a fail award yes
<Lakituthequick>
so F10 but for fabourite
<@turb3>
so it could possibly be converted to mario
<@turb3>
yes
<Pitohui>
Favorite Game Mechanic might work...
<Rose>
It can also include stuff like the timed inputs in the Mario RPGs and stuff
<Rose>
If it's mechanic
<@turb3>
valid
<Pitohui>
Dodging/Countering in M&L
<Smasher>
fave game mechanic isn't bad even though it'd be nice to have something new
<Pitohui>
Badges in Paper Mario
<@turb3>
going to compile a quick reference list of things
<Pitohui>
I suppose there's always room to flesh it out more in the incubator
<Smasher>
i feel like more people would care about this so, shrugging
<Pitohui>
But it feels viable
<@turb3>
Favorite Mario Merch/3rd party property (Anton), Favorite Mario Party Board (GBA), Favorite Mario Party Minigame (Rose), Favorite Game Mechanic (Rose)
<@turb3>
i am most interested in the merch and mechanic ones I think
<Rose>
You can nix minigame I don't anyone actually wants to go through hundreds of minigames for one award
<@turb3>
ok good
<@turb3>
mario party awards always worry me a bit in general because it feels like a lot of them just weren't played by people
<@turb3>
there's so many
<@turb3>
i only played like, 4
<Lakituthequick>
I think I might only have played two ever
<@turb3>
not INTRINSICALLY a bad idea but hard to get a polling amount on
<Lakituthequick>
DS and Super
<@turb3>
but it's still valid in case we want to visit favorite mp board
<Smasher>
owning all but the 3ds ones, i can safely say id prefer mechanic or merch
<@turb3>
for now I will probably request that people, again, go here to dump their stuff in: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/ Award Incubator
<@turb3>
so we can move on to m24
<Lakituthequick>
reminder that SMP adding online means a tournament for that is now possible
<@turb3>
true
<Pitohui>
Alex and winstein had a good run with it, too
<@turb3>
best thing nintendo did and all the nominees are add online to mario party
<Lakituthequick>
yup
<Rose>
I'll quickly toss in mechanic
<@turb3>
Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss (Hellen Gravely, Madame Clairvoya, Boolossus, Bogmire, King Boo, Melody Pianissima, Amadeus Wolfgeist, Vincent Van Gore, Henry and Orville, Neville, "Nikki, Lindsey, & Ginny", Slim Bankshot, The Three Sisters, Ug)
<Lakituthequick>
12) Henry and Orville - 24 - 1.56%
<Lakituthequick>
13) Slim Bankshot - 17 - 1.11%
<Lakituthequick>
14) Neville - 16 - 1.04%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Captain Fishook - 13 - 0.85%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Morty - 13 - 0.85%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Chauncey - 7 - 0.46%
<@turb3>
i'm considering swapping out slim bankshot and neville with captain fishook and morty
<Smasher>
swapping or adding fishook or morty might be wise
<Smasher>
yeah
<Pitohui>
I'd be in support
<Lakituthequick>
agree
<Smasher>
i otherwise have no opinions on this award whatsoever as im not big on lm but
<Lakituthequick>
makes the mst sense
<Pitohui>
I'm surprised Morty didn't make it last year, come to think of it
<Smasher>
those are wayyyyyy too close for writeins
<@turb3>
will do it together just in case
<Pitohui>
This is going to be an Award King Boo dominates as long as he's on but I'll be interested to see if Hellen falls as recency bias fades
<@turb3>
Swap out "Slim Bankshot" and "Neville" with "Captain Fishook" and "Morty"? Y-N-A
<Pitohui>
y
<@turb3>
y
<Smasher>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Lakituthequick>
Morty is an odd case really now I think of it
<Smasher>
yeah this is definitely King Boo: The Award
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Smasher>
5-0-0
<Lakituthequick>
As he's not actually hostile in any way
<@turb3>
actually come to think of it do we even need to do that
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
the Morty Porty
<@turb3>
vs just like adding them
<@turb3>
hm
<@turb3>
i forgot how low this amount of nominees was
<Pitohui>
It'd take us to 17, I think?
<Pitohui>
No, 16
<@turb3>
i'm counting 16
<@turb3>
i'm just going to add them LOL;
<Pitohui>
So it feels reasonable, yeah
<Lakituthequick>
Yeah we were at 14 previosuly
<Smasher>
i think we're ok giving the other two another chance, then
<Lakituthequick>
Just adding works
<@turb3>
anything else for this award
<Smasher>
nothing from me
<Pitohui>
Nothing for this year from me
<Lakituthequick>
i've never played LM
<Pitohui>
You ought to
<Lakituthequick>
Probably
<@turb3>
going to move on for now
<@turb3>
if anyone notices something else wrong with lm scream at me
<@turb3>
Favorite 2D Mario Level (World 1-1 (SMB), Donut Plains 1 (SMW), Forest of Illusion 3 (SMW), World 1-2 (SMB), World 2-Pyramid (SMB3), Donut Secret House (SMW), Painted Swampland (NSMBU), Front Door (SMW), World 8-7 (NSMBW), World 4-1 (SMB3), Yoshi's Island 2 (SMW), World 5-3 (SMB3), World 2-3 (NSMB), World 1-1 (NSMB), World 8-4 (SMB))
<Lakituthequick>
9) World 1-2 (SMB) - 55 - 3.58%
<Lakituthequick>
10) World 2-Pyramid (SMB3) - 45 - 2.93%
<Lakituthequick>
11) World 8-4 (SMB) - 38 - 2.47%
<Lakituthequick>
12) O. Chocolate Island 2 (SMW) - 7 - 0.46%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. World 8-Bowser's Castle (NSMB) - 6 - 0.39%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. World 8-Bowser's Castle (NSMBW) - 6 - 0.39%
<Lakituthequick>
Hell to tally: The Poll
<@turb3>
were there a lot of ties
<Rose>
brb getting food
<Smasher>
nothing stands out to me tbh
<Smasher>
i assume there were ties
<@turb3>
i was considering just adding the bottom 3 since uh
<@turb3>
that's actually fairly high, write in wise
<Smasher>
because i think we're at 15?
<@turb3>
but i thought we were at 15
<@turb3>
not 11
<Smasher>
let me count
<Pitohui>
I believe 15, as well
<Smasher>
i count 15
<Smasher>
we could add the bottom three if we want the hard limit
<Lakituthequick>
then why is the first writein 12th
<@turb3>
i don't know
<Smasher>
:fuck:
<Pitohui>
Excellent question
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<@turb3>
why is it 12
<Lakituthequick>
what the hell
<@turb3>
i legit can't figure out why because i'm counting 15
iss it possible some of them never made it all the way?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
to the results
<Smasher>
what the FUCK
<Rose>
I'm back from phone
<Rose>
What happened
<Lakituthequick>
They'd still be listed
<Pitohui>
There are a couple just missing outright from the results, it looks like
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
no i mean
<@turb3>
no it's just O all the way down
<Rose>
:tueaday:
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
full on forgot to tally them in the results
<@turb3>
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i dont know
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i know i fucked up favorite kong like that once
<Lakituthequick>
I'm writing this down to figure this out later
<@turb3>
the way the poll sorter bot works is that
<@turb3>
it physically shouldn't have happened
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
hmm
<@turb3>
unless the nominee was somehow trashed
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
then i have no clue
<Pitohui>
Like World 2-3 (NSMB)
<Lakituthequick>
Actual nominees still show up with 0 points if they didn't get any yeah
<@turb3>
this is also a thing in the forum version of the results
<@turb3>
oh well
<@turb3>
i guess it was just human error
<Pitohui>
I think World 4-1 SMB3 is also missing from the results
<@turb3>
those awards are shit to tally even with the help of a bot because everything literally looks identical
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah that's what i'm thinking
<Lakituthequick>
I'm looking at the poll sorter now
<@turb3>
so i'm not going to have anyone's head over it especially since maybe i fucked it up myself
<Lakituthequick>
Looks exactly the same here
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
human error got a couple of results deleted
<Pitohui>
But there is a World 4-1 (NSMB) in the results that isn't in the Full List
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and honestly
<Pitohui>
Huh, interesting
<Pitohui>
And not surprising considering the workload
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
if we have one award fuckup in what, five years?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's a pretty damn good rate
<@turb3>
yeah it's whatever
<@turb3>
i'm not especially eager to add the writeins with this in mind
<Pitohui>
So I guess we're at 15, so we could just add the three write-ins if we want to hit the hard cap, but
<@turb3>
they're not like super high above other things
<@turb3>
next most is 5
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<@turb3>
i'd say let's just move on
<Smasher>
in that case i think im good to keep this one as is
<Lakituthequick>
in CrowdSignal there's alsoo 11 listed???
<@turb3>
Favorite 3D Mario Level (Toy Time Galaxy (SMG), Good Egg Galaxy (SMG), Gusty Garden Galaxy (SMG), Whomp's Fortress/Throwback Galaxy (SM64/SMG2), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Cosmic Cove Galaxy (SMG2), Bob-omb Battlefield (SM64), Tick Tock Clock (SM64), Pinna Park (SMS), Sirena Beach (SMS), Delfino Plaza/Airstrip (SMS), Mount Must Dash (SM3DW), The Great Tower of Bowser Land (SM3DW), Champion's...
well adding to polls is also hard because everything is skfdhdjfhjh (GAME ABBREVIATION)
<Pitohui>
This one could see some changes as a result of 3D All-Stars
<@turb3>
makes it super hard to know where things end and begin
<Pitohui>
And, yeah, Rose, I personally would think the different little islands qualify as levels
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeeah it sounds like some of the nominees just got never added to the poll sorter
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
*the poll
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it happens
<Pitohui>
https://www.mariowiki.com/Lake_Lapcat#Islands
<Pitohui>
For reference
<Pitohui>
Each "island" has multiple missions that see you completing tasks to collect Cat Shines
<Pitohui>
Now, on the other hand
<Lakituthequick>
It looks like the nominees might have never been added to the poll itself actuall
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Pitohui>
These are much shorter and simpler missions than other 3D levels, so I don't know how much interest they would attract
<Smasher>
i actually just finished bowsers fury yesterday
<@turb3>
it is what it is
<@turb3>
will just have to crosscheck this year
<@turb3>
also i'm not at all familiar with bowser's fury and don't have much of an opinion on like
<@turb3>
swapping out/etc
<Smasher>
i can honestly say that while i enjoyed it none of the islands really stood out to me?
<Pitohui>
I honestly think we could leave these off
<@turb3>
i do think freezeflame and luncheon are noticeable enough but also i have a personal hateboner for luncheon
<Pitohui>
And see if they do well as write-ins
<@turb3>
yeah
<Smasher>
i agree
<Pitohui>
Because, yeah, like, they're levels, but they feel more equivalent to...
<Pitohui>
Like the Secret Mission areas in Sunshine
<Lakituthequick>
For Turb & Anton's reference here's the edit page https://app.crowdsignal.com/polls/10562910/edit
<Smasher>
i dont think i particularly want to include them over grandmaster or something
<Smasher>
yeah thats a good comparison
<@turb3>
thx
<@turb3>
this is really more something i'm going to leave up to you guys with discussion open for a bit longer
<@turb3>
cuz i just have not played 3d mario in forever
<Rose>
I'm good with keeping as is
<Pitohui>
I don't think there's any need for changes this year
<Pitohui>
We see how 3D All Stars affects it, we see if any Lake Lapcat islands do well as write-ins
<Pitohui>
Well
<Pitohui>
Actually
<Pitohui>
Lake Lapcat as a whole is basically the same as a Mario Odyssey Kingdom
<Pitohui>
Just if the moons were distributed in sub-areas with multiple missions
<Smasher>
...honestly yeah
<Pitohui>
So I guess we could also consider adding Lake Lapcat itself, too
<Pitohui>
It's a weird middle ground because it's a level with lots of levels in it but it's basically an Odyssey Kingdom
<Smasher>
it only took a few hours for me to finish the whole thing total
<Pitohui>
So, hmm...
<@turb3>
i would be fine with doing something like axing grandmaster for lapcat
<Pitohui>
I guess we should probably add Lake Lapcat (Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury)
<Smasher>
i guess i didn't think of it like that but it makes sense
<@turb3>
Swap out "Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG)" for "Lake Lapcat (SM3DW + BF)"?
<@turb3>
a
<Pitohui>
Er, or, by conventions Lake Lapcat (SM3DW + BF)
<Pitohui>
y
<Smasher>
especially because it literally is just a big open world
<Rose>
a
<Smasher>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Smasher>
3-0-2
<@turb3>
uhhhhh hjesus
<@turb3>
i guess i will switch to y just so this motion actually passes
<@turb3>
i wish people were here
<@turb3>
:crying:
<Smasher>
4-0-1
<Lakituthequick>
imagine being here
<Smasher>
:notlikenico:
<Lakituthequick>
this post made by -- actually here gang
<Rose>
NS literally just liked my post in the incubator thread
<Rose>
Why isn't he here
<@turb3>
:screamingcat:
<Pitohui>
One day Awards is going to be a long forgotten relic and I'll still find a way to log on to IRC on alternating Fridays and Saturdays in spring
<Smasher>
:help:
<@turb3>
ok i guess i will switch them out
<@turb3>
as usual, we can discuss this during the review
<Lakituthequick>
NS is online on Discord right now
<Rose>
NS JOIN
<Smasher>
maybe when more people are here people will agree with it or tell me and pitohui this was a terrible idea
<Smasher>
yell at him
<@turb3>
god i hate formatting
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
nS
<@turb3>
i pingeed ns like an hour ago
<Pitohui>
We've yelled at him on Discord already
<@turb3>
yell at him
<Pitohui>
NS, come to us
<@turb3>
Favorite Boss Battle (Phantamanta (SMS), Brobot (SPM), Rawk Hawk (PM:TTYD), Bowser in the Sky (SM64), Kaptain K. Rool 1 and 2 (DKC2), Super Dimentio (SPM), Elder Princess Shroob (M&L:PiT), Megaleg (SMG), General Guy (PM), Kingfin (SMG), Popple and Rookie (M&L:SS), Dark Bowser (M&L:BIS), Bowser/Meowser (SM3DW), Bowser (SMG), Mechawiggler (SMO), Bowser (SMO), Shadow Queen (PM:TTYD))
<Pitohui>
We need the judge
<Rose>
Does Fury Bowser count as a boss
<Pitohui>
Hmm...
<Pitohui>
I mean
<Lakituthequick>
15) General Guy (PM) - 36 - 2.04%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Kingfin (SMG) - 32 - 1.82%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Phantamanta (SMS) - 30 - 1.70%
<Lakituthequick>
18) O. RoboBrood (SMO) - 7 - 0.40%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Boomsday Machine (SMG2) - 6 - 0.34%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Bouldergeist (SMG) - 6 - 0.34%
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<Smasher>
id say he kind of does
<Pitohui>
When you battle him as Giga Cat Mario
<Smasher>
yeah you have to fight him several times
<Pitohui>
Which probably means its worth swapping out Phantamanta for him
<Smasher>
he is indeed a poss
<Smasher>
boss
<Smasher>
well arent we at 17
<Smasher>
or
<Pitohui>
But I'm going to rally an army and we're going to vote Phantamanta past him in write-ins
<Smasher>
let me count LOL
<Rose>
Or we finally make Bowser his own category and have the rest be in the general boss category
<Pitohui>
Oh, that's true
<Pitohui>
I guess we could just add
<Smasher>
yeah 17
<Lakituthequick>
We're at 17 now yeah
<Pitohui>
But I'm biased because I like Phantamanta so I probably shouldn't make that call
<Smasher>
i think im in favor of just added fury bowser
<Smasher>
adding
<Lakituthequick>
God-slayer Bowser
<Smasher>
i dont think a swap is needed and none of the write ins impress me enough
<Pitohui>
Yeah, why not then
<Lakituthequick>
RoboBrood is underwhelming
<Pitohui>
Just add Fury Bowser (SM3DW + BF)
<Smasher>
i like boomsday and bouldergeist more than robobrood
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm okay with just adding him
<@turb3>
i can just add fury bowser yes
<@turb3>
to finalize it
<@turb3>
Add "Fury Bowser (SM3DW + BF)"?
<@turb3>
y
<Smasher>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<Rose>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Smasher>
5-0-0
<Lakituthequick>
Can I discuss nominee formatting heer
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Smasher>
6-0-0
<@turb3>
yes
<Pitohui>
Is this going to be about removing spaces
<Lakituthequick>
would it be "SM3DW + BF" or "SM3DW+BF"
<Lakituthequick>
There are no spaces in other abbreviations
<Pitohui>
For consistency with other title abbreviations, the latter
<@turb3>
i assumed the former
<@turb3>
but i have no opinion
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<Pitohui>
We have achieved a quorum
<Smasher>
the latter probably
<Pitohui>
But, yeah, the latter to be consistent
<@turb3>
if you want to update it to the latter on the doc i'm not opposed
<Lakituthequick>
👍
<@turb3>
if we're done here i'll probably just move us to m28
<@turb3>
i'm worried we fucked around too much but i guess there's still like 50 minutes left
<@turb3>
even if im panicking already
<Pitohui>
I think that's good for M27
<Smasher>
i panic daily its ok
<Lakituthequick>
last month we were ahead of schedule so
<Smasher>
im fine with moving on
<@turb3>
i keep trying to fuck around and figure out how to get ns to actually join the meeting
<Lakituthequick>
no need to worry
<Lakituthequick>
yet
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<@turb3>
i am worrying!!
<@turb3>
hi
<@turb3>
Favorite Game Setting (Mushroom Kingdom (SMB), Mushroom Kingdom (PM), Super Mario RPG World, Dinosaur Land (SMW), Yoshi's Island (SMW2:YI), Isle Delfino (SMS), Beanbean Kingdom (M&L:SS), Rogueport & surrounding areas (PM:TTYD), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Sarasaland (SML), Donkey Kong Island (DKC), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Comet Observatory & galaxies (SMG), Pi'illo Island...
<@turb3>
...(M&L:DT), Super Mario Odyssey World, Crocodile Isle (DKC2), Peach's Castle (SM64), The Last Resort (LM3))
<Lakituthequick>
16) Donkey Kong Island (DKC) - 31 - 1.67%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Sarasaland (SML) - 29 - 1.57%
<Lakituthequick>
18) Crocodile Isle (DKC2) - 22 - 1.19%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Luigi's Mansion (LM) - 6 - 0.32%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:BIS) - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT) - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
hi revin
<Pitohui>
We're right on schedule according to the schedule, Turb, fwiw
<@turb3>
oh thank god
<@turb3>
no longer worrying
<Rose>
Wait, hold on
<Rose>
Should the Lake from BF apply here instead
<@turb3>
idk if anything from sm3dw bf counts as a game setting
<@turb3>
i don't know
<Pitohui>
30th = Meeting – Mario
<Pitohui>
<Pitohui>
<@turb3>
i was about to ask that
<Pitohui>
<Pitohui>
May:
<Pitohui>
<Pitohui>
8th = Meeting – Mario / Fail
<Pitohui>
<Pitohui>
<Pitohui>
<Pitohui>
I would think Lake Lapcat would [i]also[/i] apply here
<Smasher>
yeah i kind of forgot about this award
<@turb3>
is it both a level and a game setting??
<Smasher>
i personally think it could apply to both???
<Pitohui>
Pretty much, yeah
<Rose>
I don't know if the entire space works as a level
<Pitohui>
I think it fits both
<ReverseInput>
lapcat is definitely a setting imo
<Smasher>
its the entire sub game but it also just is basically a giant level?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i know nothing about fury so i can't help
<Pitohui>
Again, it hits that weird middle ground
<Pitohui>
Where each individual island is a "level"
<Smasher>
if it only works for one i would say this one
<ReverseInput>
its a big area but with several subareas
<Pitohui>
But also the whole thing is basically an Odyssey Kingdom
<ReverseInput>
yeah i agree smasher
<Smasher>
pretty much
<@turb3>
yeah i literally know nothing about bowsers fury
<Rose>
Yeah if it's going in one award it's this one
<@turb3>
i'm not OPPOSED to having it on both but i do think it might be better if we localize it to just game setting
<ReverseInput>
its closer to a setting than a singular level
<@turb3>
that said, we also would need to switch something out if we added it here
<Pitohui>
I would agree with that if it's the consensus to only have it on one award
<Smasher>
i feel like it *could* fit in both but if we think it's best to just have it in one, id add it to this and add grandmaster back to 3d level
<Smasher>
because i did forget about this award
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<Rose>
LOL
<Smasher>
and none of the islands stand out as much as lapcat itself
<notninjasquidimjusttryingtotes>
it works
<Pitohui>
Good job, NS
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<Lakituthequick>
rip
<Pitohui>
Or not NS
<Smasher>
h
<Pitohui>
I can't tell
<Smasher>
anyway as for this
<Rose>
I naturally assumed it was tpg tbh
<Smasher>
im good with swapping out crocodile isle for lake lapcat
<Lakituthequick>
my client now shrunk the actual text part of chat
<Lakituthequick>
amazong
<Smasher>
as much as i love dkc2
<Smasher>
it didnt do that well
<Pitohui>
Anyways, eh, I think it fits both, but there's a good case for swapping Lapcat into this one and then going back to the "let the Lapcat islands be write-ins" for the others
<@turb3>
it was me
<@turb3>
i was testing it
<Rose>
IT WAS ME, AUSTIN
<@turb3>
if lapcat was swapped into this award, i'd want to put grandmaster back
<Smasher>
i agree
<Rose>
I agree
<@turb3>
i will call a vote for that and then get up to close my windows because my mom turned the air conditioner on :screamingcat:
<Smasher>
grandmaster can be added back
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<@turb3>
Swap out Crocodile Isle (DKC2) for Lake Lapcat (SM3DW+BF)? (implicitly swaps it out of favorite 3d level)
<Pitohui>
Oh, also just realized we completely skipped Origami King discussion for Favorite Boss Battle
<@turb3>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<@turb3>
oh i forgot about origami king
<Rose>
y
<Smasher>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Rose>
Oh lol yeah
<Smasher>
oh OOPS
<Smasher>
5-0-0
<Lakituthequick>
Also yes now yo usay it
<Smasher>
i forgot origami king existed
<Lakituthequick>
Do return to that one
<Smasher>
i didnt play it so i cant add anything to it, though
<Rose>
Do we have to consider OK for setting too
<Rose>
Or is it just Mushroom Kingdom But Paper
<Pitohui>
Most of the Boss Battles in Origami King are the same, just with different gimmicks added to the ring pathing, but there are a - yes we should, Rose, - couple worth bringing up
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
lapcat works better for this yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Smasher>
i cant comment on that either
<Smasher>
6-0-0
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<@turb3>
i don't know anything about the origami king either
<ltqtest>
huh, kiwi works for me
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<Pitohui>
[s]It's okay, I played ToK for all of you[/s]
<Smasher>
15) General Guy (PM) - 36 - 2.04%
<Smasher>
16) Kingfin (SMG) - 32 - 1.82%
<Smasher>
17) Phantamanta (SMS) - 30 - 1.70%
<Rose>
Something something The origami King
<Smasher>
as a reminder
<Smasher>
fury bowser is 18 so now we WILL have to remove stuff if we add tok bosses
<Pitohui>
Okay, so, for ToK, like I said, moooost of the battles are the same, except for-
<Pitohui>
Scissors, who has the added wrinkle of turning the fight into a "one hit and you die match"
<Pitohui>
King Olly himself, who has a mullti-stage boss fight that changes the gameplay each phase
<@turb3>
Favorite Boss Battle (Phantamanta (SMS), Brobot (SPM), Rawk Hawk (PM:TTYD), Bowser in the Sky (SM64), Kaptain K. Rool 1 and 2 (DKC2), Super Dimentio (SPM), Elder Princess Shroob (M&L:PiT), Megaleg (SMG), General Guy (PM), Kingfin (SMG), Popple and Rookie (M&L:SS), Dark Bowser (M&L:BIS), Bowser/Meowser (SM3DW), Bowser (SMG), Mechawiggler (SMO), Bowser (SMO), Shadow Queen (PM:TTYD), Fury...
<@turb3>
...Bowser (SM3DW+BF))
<@turb3>
again
<Pitohui>
Handaconda, who is honestly just really annoying because it makes you play Rock Paper Scissors as a boss fight
<Smasher>
:worry:
<Rose>
I've heard a lot of people talking about Scissors so he might be our best add and we can leave the rest to see how they fair with write ins
<Pitohui>
And this one interesting edge case of... the Origami Airplane Squadrom or something, which I don't know if it should count as a boss fight or minigame
<Rose>
But King Olly might be our shoe in since villain and all that
<Pitohui>
For reference
<Pitohui>
https://www.mariowiki.com/Paper_Plane_Squadron
<Pitohui>
Of the four,
<Pitohui>
I think the one that's most worth considering for this Award is probably Olly
<@turb3>
we ARE at 18 if we do this
<Pitohui>
And that one is a "maybe" from me
<@turb3>
so we will be swapping out phantamanta if this happens
<@turb3>
like, in favor of an origami king boss
<Smasher>
olly sounds like the most appealing option to me
<Pitohui>
It seems pretty notable, with the different rounds
<Rose>
Kill Phantamanta for Olly and let's see how the rest do for write ins
<Smasher>
but im indifferent as i have not played the game and dont really like phantamanta
<Pitohui>
Seems reasonable to me
<@turb3>
Swap "Phantamanta" for "King Olly"?
<Smasher>
a
<Pitohui>
I don't want to see Phantamanta go...
<Rose>
Let's see how many people care about Rubber Band
<Pitohui>
But
<Pitohui>
y
<Rose>
y
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<@turb3>
y
<Smasher>
2-0-1
<Lakituthequick>
!
<Lakituthequick>
y
<@turb3>
!
<NinjaSquid>
hello?
<Pitohui>
Welcome, NS!
<Smasher>
4-0-1
<Smasher>
:jeb"
<Rose>
FINALLY
<Smasher>
:jeb:
<@turb3>
we're voting on switching out phantamanta for king olly on favorite boss battle
<NinjaSquid>
uh finally
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
:jeb1::jeb2::jeb3:
<NinjaSquid>
it's been 84 years
<Smasher>
ehhh, change to y to give the new game a chance, it'll probably outdo phantamanta anyway
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
anyhow i'd be okay with killing phantamanta for olly
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and see how it goes
<Smasher>
5-0-0
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Smasher>
6-0-0
<NinjaSquid>
y
<Smasher>
7-0-0
<@turb3>
i put him down as PM:TOK
<@turb3>
can fix as needed
<Lakituthequick>
I think that's the consensus for an abbr so thats good
<Pitohui>
Yeah, that's right
<@turb3>
Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) (Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong 64, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart 64, Wario Land 3, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario Sunshine, Wario Land 4,...
<@turb3>
...Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)
<@_2257>
sorry got interrupted
<@turb3>
thats ok
<Lakituthequick>
15) Wario Land 4 - 34 - 1.81%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Mario Party 3 - 33 - 1.75%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Donkey Kong 64 - 27 - 1.43%
<Lakituthequick>
18) O. Super Mario Bros. 2 - 5 - 0.27%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Donkey Kong Country - 4 - 0.21%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Mario Party 6 - 4 - 0.21%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Mario Party 7 - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Super Mario Kart - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Super Mario Land - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
21) Wario Land 3 - 3 - 0.16%
<Smasher>
i cant believe the likes of double dash and ttyd now qualify for classic
<Pitohui>
Did we need to revisit Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK) for Favorite Game Setting
<Smasher>
im so old
<@turb3>
i'm not sure
<@_2257>
can i make one comment about the part i missed
<Rose>
Any other new classic games to consider
<@turb3>
nobody seemed very like
<Lakituthequick>
oh yeah
<@turb3>
keen on going "hey tok setting is actually really really good"
<Lakituthequick>
do have to agree tok is beautiful
<Smasher>
>wario land 3 did worse than writeins
<Rose>
Oof Wario Land 3 lol
<@turb3>
i guess if they want to say their piece on it and kill off sarasaland or something then we can do that
<Pitohui>
Well, that's a good reason to axe Wario Land 3
<@turb3>
i just kind of forgot
<@turb3>
also yes 22
<Smasher>
i feel like thats an auto cut in favor of like, smb2
<@_2257>
ok
<@turb3>
sorry its kind of chaotic right now
<NinjaSquid>
should we consider removing wl3 for smb2?
<@_2257>
morty is like, objectively not a boss
<Smasher>
we can just go backward if needed
<@_2257>
the boss is a goober or whatever theyre called dressed as godzilla
<@turb3>
i kind of assumed people were voting for morty specifically though
<@_2257>
so if we're going to have that fight, it really shouldn't be called "morty"
<@turb3>
we uh,
<@_2257>
if its meant to be like a favorite *character* poll then it should be called that
<@turb3>
we dont have a definition for favorite luigi's mansion boss,
<@_2257>
it shouldnt be amixture of both
<@turb3>
so uhh
<Smasher>
:fuck:
<@turb3>
we should maybe call it character yeah
<@_2257>
also
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rip wl3
<Lakituthequick>
should we really
<@_2257>
i dont know how relevant luigis mansion is right now
<@turb3>
i dunno
<Lakituthequick>
it was introduced last year for bosses
<@turb3>
like this was an award that we made in favor of costume, right
<Lakituthequick>
I think so yes
<Smasher>
favorite luigi's mansion ghost?
<@_2257>
it seems a lot liek favorite capture in that it only stays relevant when there is a new luigi game
<Pitohui>
I think we called it boss to avoid it having, like, random regular ghosts on there, but I can see the point behind changing it
<@turb3>
i feel like there was a reason - yeah
<Smasher>
wait, are they not all ghosts
<Smasher>
i have no idea LOL
<Lakituthequick>
fav ghost was axed a couple years back
<@turb3>
they are ghosts
<Pitohui>
Favorite Luigi's Mansion Ghost, though, makes it possible to put down, like, Gold Ghost
<@_2257>
it might be better to axe it or convert it into a rotating award like yoshi/wario/dk
<Lakituthequick>
and possibly not
<@turb3>
a rotating award is an interesting idea
<Rose>
Yeah favorite ghost would require characters like Polterpup
<@turb3>
that would also fill up space for like, two new award ideas that we had, so
<Smasher>
i might be interested in just rotating that one out yeah
<@turb3>
i can put it down as a tentative cut thing and we can bring that up in the incubator more
<Pitohui>
Also, out of curiosity, would, uh, Madame Clairvoya count for this poll if you go strictly by the "boss definition," 22?
<@turb3>
i do think morty still has some merit in being on as a boss even if he never puts back a fight
<@_2257>
no lol
<@turb3>
because morty and clairvoya are kind of..... in the same boat
<Pitohui>
You can still suck up Morty
<@_2257>
she doesnt fight you at all
<@turb3>
the main difference is that morty isnt needed to beat the game
<@_2257>
(well, she drops poison mushrooms, but i think that's a bug)
<@_2257>
(she clearly indicates she doesn't intend to fight)
<Pitohui>
Well, there's also a lot of optional ghosts in the original LM, Turb
<Pitohui>
So by that criteria, someone like Mr. Luggs wouldn't count
<@turb3>
yes but like my point is that clairvoya is a nominee
<@turb3>
and she;s not technically a boss battle
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<@turb3>
morty and clairvoya are in the same boat and the only difference is that morty doesn't need to be sucked up to beat the game
<Pitohui>
I'm actually in support of keeping Morty and Clairvoya because they're
<Lakituthequick>
clairvoya is still required to progress right
<@turb3>
yes
<Lakituthequick>
morty isn't
<Pitohui>
*technically* boss battles in that you can suck them up
<@turb3>
i'm in favor of keeping them too, but for now i will put the whole award down as a possible cut
<@turb3>
if we only think of one solid award, then i will petition in favor of cutting favorite capture first
<@turb3>
we have like 4 ideas floating around though
<@_2257>
i really dont think that makes them bossex
<Gabumon>
I would call mme clairvoya a boss
<@_2257>
in the original lm, isnt the term boss used only for chauncy, bogmire, boolossus and king boo
<@turb3>
i guess its something we'd want to revisit if this award survives the cuttening
<@turb3>
technically i think so
<Pitohui>
That's correct, yes
<@turb3>
boss ghost
<Gabumon>
it doesn't really matter if she's bad at fighting back
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah it is
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
all the others are just "ghosts"
<@turb3>
she DOES lock the door on you
<@turb3>
i dont think morty does that
<@_2257>
but shes not fighting back
<Gabumon>
she is still interacted with in the same format as all the other ghosts that count as bosses
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
only the ones that hold area keys are called bosses by the game
<@_2257>
she just sits there laughing, and tells you to vacuum her
<@turb3>
same as morty in that case i guess yeah
<Gabumon>
yeah
<Pitohui>
"boss" is kind of one of those weird meta-terms that everyone agrees on until you try to analyze it, though
<@turb3>
like, unlike clairvoya he doesnt lock the door, but he is interacted with identically, so
<@turb3>
and we counted him as a write-in
<@turb3>
i feel it's fine, personally
<@_2257>
she isn't hostile at any point
<Gabumon>
the fact that her battle strategy is "do nothing and surrender" doesn't change the fact that she's interacted with in the ghost battle format
<@turb3>
like its kind of just arguing over semantics for the sake of two nominees that will likely get write-in traction even if they're not on the award
<Gabumon>
that makes her a boss
<ReverseInput>
i mean, its been a while so i dont recall, morty doesnt really behave like the other bosses does he?
<@turb3>
morty just sits there making his film
<@turb3>
unless you specifically choose to vacuum him
<@turb3>
but that's kind of the same thing as luggs
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<ReverseInput>
most bosses have attack patterns and such, but sucking up morty felt like just vacuuming any other ghost
<@turb3>
luggs will just sit there and eat unless you piss him off
<Lakituthequick>
morty does absolutely nothing and you can leave him be
<@turb3>
its a weird case
<ReverseInput>
like, normal ghosts, not special ghosts
<@_2257>
anyway i dont really want to argue the point im actually arguing because my real position is that we should strongly consider changing this award completely
<@turb3>
yeah morty is the most passive ghost in the series but id unno
<@turb3>
yeah i agree with changing it
<Gabumon>
waddle dee in kirby super star is also a boss, despite just standing there
<Lakituthequick>
heck luigi is actively sad after sucking up morty
<ReverseInput>
i think the naming is whats being a stumbling block here tbh
<@turb3>
i might make a forum thread about this
<@turb3>
the naming
<Gabumon>
it's not so much about what they do, it's how the game presents them and in what game context they appear in
<@turb3>
since like, its clear that we all have a lot of different opinions on this where the definition/naming of the award isnt really working
<Lakituthequick>
semantics are a great thing
<@turb3>
and in the event we don't cut out this award because luigi isnt relevant anymore i think it is worth visiting
<@turb3>
i think next up we should probably handle the origami king favorite game setting thing if people agree thats worth adding
<Lakituthequick>
i'd say it probably is
<Pitohui>
TOK has some cool areas in the later portion of the game. I could see a case for it.
<@turb3>
if we added it we would be cutting out sarasaland in favor
<Lakituthequick>
man i should play tok more
<Rose>
I'd be alright with swapping Sarasa
<Pitohui>
Can cut Sarasland and see how Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK) performs
<@turb3>
M28 Favorite Game Setting: Switch out "Sarasaland (SML)" for "Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK)?"
<Rose>
y
<@turb3>
y
<NinjaSquid>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Gabumon>
a
<@_2257>
a
<Pitohui>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Rose>
Where's the tally jesse jesse the tally
<Lakituthequick>
i forgot i have "jesse" on my tag list
<Rose>
LOL
<@turb3>
can i call you jesser
<Pitohui>
5-0-2 but I'm not Smasher
<@turb3>
i would say that probably passes
<Pitohui>
Oh 6-0-2
<Pitohui>
I missed Perch
<@turb3>
sorry for like. jerking you guys around awards like we're on methamphetamine
<Pitohui>
It's okay
<@turb3>
i think we can finish mario tonight and maybe get a bit into fail though
<Pitohui>
We forgot TOK and that's what did it
<@turb3>
depends on how people feel
<@turb3>
yeah
<Lakituthequick>
oh man
<@turb3>
if anyone wants to bring anything else up about past awards, then now is the time to do so before i swing down the executioners axe for m29 again
<Lakituthequick>
i forgot to look at my notes the entire time
<@turb3>
f
<Lakituthequick>
tok is in there
<Lakituthequick>
whoops
<Smasher>
im back sorry
<Pitohui>
I think it's one of those nights, LTQ
<Pitohui>
We're all out of it
<Smasher>
6-0-3 because im abstaining
<@turb3>
yeah im just in panic mode
<Lakituthequick>
my notes are literally
<Pitohui>
I've been thinking about the TOK bosses all week and I nearly forgot to bring them up
<Lakituthequick>
M27. Favorite Boss Battle
<Lakituthequick>
Look at Vellumentals and stationary from PM:TOK
<Lakituthequick>
M28. Favorite Game Setting
<Lakituthequick>
Consider: Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK)
<@turb3>
even though we're very far ahead
<Gabumon>
what's the cut-off point between classic and modern again
<@turb3>
gcn/gba and wii/ds
<Pitohui>
I believe right now its GCN/GBA and - Turb beat mea
<Gabumon>
do we feel like moving that line this year
<@turb3>
i have been thinking about that a lot, but i don't know if we can make a case for moving the line until nintendo decides "actually i hate the switch"
<@turb3>
like wii u just doesn't really have games
<@turb3>
it would be a very lopsided pair of awards even if the wii doesn't really count as modern anymore, which is unfortunate
<Lakituthequick>
yeah the line is fine as of now
<Pitohui>
I feel like it makes sense to move the line as new consoles come out
<Rose>
I'd give another generation until we consider moving yeah
<@turb3>
i would be very much in favor of moving the line when switch 2 is out
<Pitohui>
So, Switch gets a successor, move it forward
<@turb3>
yes
<Smasher>
i was just about to say what pitohui did
<Smasher>
i dont think its even been 10 years since the last non just dance wii game came out?
<@turb3>
Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) (Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong 64, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart 64, Wario Land 3, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario Sunshine, Wario Land 4,...
<@turb3>
...Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)
<Rose>
We have to take off WL3 right
<Smasher>
as for this i feel like we can just auto cut wl3 unfortunately
<Lakituthequick>
i already posted this but
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
sadly yes
<Lakituthequick>
15) Wario Land 4 - 34 - 1.81%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Mario Party 3 - 33 - 1.75%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Donkey Kong 64 - 27 - 1.43%
<Lakituthequick>
18) O. Super Mario Bros. 2 - 5 - 0.27%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Donkey Kong Country - 4 - 0.21%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Mario Party 6 - 4 - 0.21%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Mario Party 7 - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Super Mario Kart - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Super Mario Land - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
21) Wario Land 3 - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
murder wl3
<Rose>
Replace WL3 with SMB2 imo
<NinjaSquid>
just dance 2020 was on wii lol
<Pitohui>
Per Rose
<Smasher>
3 votes is absolutely abysmal
<@_2257>
donkey kong 64 is on this and didnt get last place
<@_2257>
shameful
<@turb3>
i agree
<@turb3>
also yeah we should just autoreplace wl3 with smb2 so i will do that
<@turb3>
o7
<Smasher>
id add smb2 too because while its not very high im very weird and feel like this award should stay at 18
<@turb3>
i mean may as well
<Smasher>
i feel bad for wl2 because i like it more than the bottom 2 but oh well
<@turb3>
Switch out "Wario Land 3" for "Super Mario Bros. 2"? (wario land 3 will be cut regardless)
<@turb3>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<NinjaSquid>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Smasher>
im just going to vote for one of the paper marios anyway
<Smasher>
y
<Smasher>
6-0-0
<Rose>
y
<Smasher>
7-0-0
<@_2257>
a
<Gabumon>
I mean if it's gonna be cut regardless, idk why vote
<Gabumon>
a
<@turb3>
i dunno like
<@turb3>
in case we want to put another thing in the slot
<@turb3>
besides smb2
<Smasher>
7-0-2
<@turb3>
like dkc is close so
<Smasher>
i like dkc more and i think its overall better regarded but idk
<@turb3>
is there anything else we should do for this award
<Smasher>
i just went with the one that got more votes
<Pitohui>
Not that I can think of
<@_2257>
yeah i also think dkc would probably beat smb2 if it were like a head to head
<@turb3>
yeah same
<Smasher>
should we consider adding dkc instead or nah
<@turb3>
we can discuss that if you guys want lol.................
<@turb3>
im really ambivalent
<Pitohui>
I don't really think so
<Gabumon>
if we do that, we might as well cut dk64 and put both in
<Pitohui>
But, then, I'm not all that fond of the original DKC, so...
<Lakituthequick>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<NinjaSquid>
i prefer dkc3 to dkc
<@turb3>
i would honestly be fine with also cutting dk64 but you didnt hear that from me
<Gabumon>
might shake up the mid-tier of the award some, who knows
<@turb3>
yeah
<Smasher>
im biased in favor of dkc1 but also i could see smb2 just doing better since it is a mario forum
<NinjaSquid>
but i dunno if dkc3 is preferred
<Lakituthequick>
Edo raises a good option
<Rose>
I think SMB2 feels right because it completes the "trio" of original Mario games
<Smasher>
rose has a point
<@_2257>
i think dkc is probably my personal least favorite of the dkc snes games (although i still like it a lot)
<@turb3>
same
<@_2257>
but i don't know if that's a widely shared opinion
<@turb3>
dkc2 is already on here and dkc1 has the highest write ins so
<@turb3>
Swap out "Donkey Kong 64" for "Donkey Kong Country"?
<@turb3>
y
<Smasher>
dkc3 is generally seen as the weakest of the trio (though its still very good) so im not sure if id add it
<Gabumon>
I think dkc3 has (or had) a reputation for being a contested sequel to some extent
<Rose>
a
<Pitohui>
a
<Gabumon>
it might have changed in recent years but idk
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Gabumon>
y
<NinjaSquid>
y
<@_2257>
y
<@turb3>
personally ive always had a very big soft spot for dkc3 but yeah
<Smasher>
a
<Rose>
I love dkc3
<@turb3>
public opinion of dk64 is finally going down it is our time to strike
<Rose>
jeb
<Smasher>
dk64 is my least favorite main dk platformer but im still shrug on getting rid of it
<Smasher>
that said 5-0-3
<@turb3>
i'll pass it
<@turb3>
anything else or m30
<Gabumon>
do we need to clarify which smb2 we're talking about?
<@turb3>
ah thats a good point
<@turb3>
umm
<Smasher>
might as well
<@turb3>
this would be USA i guess so i'll just slap USA on there
<@turb3>
might need to update the doc in correspondence
<Smasher>
Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)
<ReverseInput>
Super Mario Bros 2 / USA
<@turb3>
i will say that most people refer to jp SMB2 as lost levels in english so yeah
<ReverseInput>
either of those works
<Pitohui>
That's a good way to do it
<Lakituthequick>
yeah tack on (USA)
<Pitohui>
Er, Smasher's way, I should specify
<Gabumon>
I think I prefer the brackets
<@_2257>
i would still err on the side of being specific
<@turb3>
yeah i went with the brackets
<Smasher>
yeah ive never called jp smb2 smb2 but better safe than sorry
<@turb3>
i'll move on to m30
<@turb3>
Favorite Modern Game (Wii/DS and newer) (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario 3D Land, Super Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World/Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World, Super Mario Odyssey, Donkey Kong Country:...
<@turb3>
...Tropical Freeze, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Yoshi's Crafted World, Luigi's Mansion 3, Super Mario Maker 2)
origami king is the only new game that comes to mind
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<NinjaSquid>
poor Crafted World :(
<Lakituthequick>
so kill YCW and add TOK
<Smasher>
crafted world did worse than dream team F
<@_2257>
some of these write ins are doing pretty well too
<Rose>
Those are some pretty high scoring write ins
<Pitohui>
At least we appreciate Crafted World, NS
<@turb3>
im counting 17 on this so far
<NinjaSquid>
indeed pitohui :)
<Rose>
We could just add OK
<@turb3>
but we can probably just kill YCW and add TOK + a writein
<@_2257>
oh, crafted world lost
<Smasher>
my first take is to cut crafted world, add tok and dream team
<@_2257>
while being a nominee
<@_2257>
sad
<Rose>
Oh lol
<NinjaSquid>
is Luigi's Mansion 3 in there?
<Rose>
I thought Crafted was write in
<Pitohui>
Yeah, I'm with Smasher
<NinjaSquid>
oh yes
<@turb3>
yes its in there
<Smasher>
yes
<Pitohui>
It is, yeah
<Rose>
I agree with Smasher too
<@turb3>
i'm cutting crafted world and adding origami king without consensus I think
<@turb3>
but the writein can be debated i guess
<Smasher>
we could also discuss swapping mario and rabbids out with nsmbwii if we wanted to
<Smasher>
yeah i feel like worse than a write in - auto cut and tok doesn't need to be discussed
<@turb3>
so yeah
<Rose>
I'm not feeling a Rabbids cut yet
<Pitohui>
Same
<@_2257>
i am
<@turb3>
dark moon is close to rabbids so
<Smasher>
im indifferent to that swap fwiw
<Smasher>
though nsmbw is more of a major game i guess
<Gabumon>
the top write in got more than half the votes of the option above it
<@turb3>
yeah
<Gabumon>
that's my quota for a swap-in met
<Smasher>
yeah thats why i said i think its worth considering
<Smasher>
i am voting in favor of adding dream team either way because we have room for one
<@turb3>
i'm going to add dream team since that will put us at 18
<@turb3>
as for rabbids
<Pitohui>
Do add DT
<NinjaSquid>
yes do
<@turb3>
Swap out Mario + Rabbids for NSMBWii?
<NinjaSquid>
DT is awesome!
<@turb3>
y
<Pitohui>
a
<Rose>
a
<Gabumon>
y
<@turb3>
honestly dark moon is also an option here
<@turb3>
instead of rabbids
<@_2257>
y
<Lakituthequick>
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
a
<Rose>
Either way I'm a
<NinjaSquid>
a
<Smasher>
hmmm y i think
<Smasher>
i feel like nsmbw has more of a shot
<Smasher>
4-0-5
<@turb3>
if it means anything i would rather keep rabbids due to the uniqueness of the game compared to dark moon
<@turb3>
but like
<@turb3>
votes are still a thing
<@turb3>
they're only 1 vote away from each other which is why i'm touching upon that
<Smasher>
we could vote on which we'd rather keep of the two
<@turb3>
rather than rabbids being like 15 and dark moon being 25 in which case i wouldn;t bat an eye
<@turb3>
yeah
<Smasher>
im more familiar with dm but rabbids does look more unique
<@_2257>
like i agree that 1 vote is probably with within the threshold of statistical noise but like
<@turb3>
i will be ending the meeting after that instead of dragging us kicking and screaming into fail regardless of our decision
<Lakituthequick>
votes are more an advisory referendum than a definite rule
<@_2257>
i dont really think rabbids is a better candidate than dm
<Gabumon>
I don't feel comfortable with cutting an option that has more votes than another
<@turb3>
valid
<Gabumon>
outside of pressing circumstancesx
<Smasher>
double checked and none of the other write ins were in striking distance so i would just replace one
<@turb3>
well
<@turb3>
if people miss rabbids enough i think the write ins will probably reflect that
<@turb3>
and dark moon will also perish in the voting
<Gabumon>
I guess a question you could ask is
<Smasher>
i would probably still be in favor of just booting rabbids
<Gabumon>
do you think rabbids will miraculously shoot upwards this year if we leave it in
<Smasher>
not really
<@turb3>
uh
<Gabumon>
because I don't really think so
<@turb3>
not really
<Rose>
Depends on how many people Zelen has campaigned to
<@turb3>
i think i've heard of rabbids 2 floating around
<Smasher>
i think whichever we keep will probably end up being on the chopping block next year LOL
<@turb3>
but unless we call an emergency meeting before E3 if rabbids 2 gets announced then that's that
<@turb3>
we'll just add rabbids 2 next year
<Gabumon>
I think a luigis mansion game has probably more potential to do well
<@turb3>
i cut rabbids for nsmbw just now
<@_2257>
if rabbids 2 happens, it probably isn't going to be within 2 months anyway
<Gabumon>
even if rabbids is a unique entry
<@turb3>
yeah
<Smasher>
id say thats the right call
<@turb3>
well thanks for attending everyone
<@turb3>
you can still talk in case there's anything i forgot
<Gabumon>
unfortunately, the rabbids are kind of a blemish on that game that pulls it down in the public eye
<@turb3>
i've been very hyped up on caffeine tonight and this isn't the official ending
<@turb3>
and yeah i agree
<@turb3>
like
<@turb3>
i remember the whole thing was considered a joke because of the rabbids lmao
<Gabumon>
even if the concept itself is cool
<Pitohui>
We made it through just fine and on schedule, Turb, good work on your part
<@turb3>
thanks sorry it was kind of a mess
<ReverseInput>
no one believed it was real at first despite mounting evidence
<@turb3>
i think the biggest takeaway probably is just the thing with uh, the discord/irc thing
<@turb3>
also i need to make a forum thread for the luigi's mansion boss award more than likely
<@turb3>
because i would like to revisit that
<Lakituthequick>
I can easily see Discord working well
<Pitohui>
Also, a question, in the future, could you link this IRC client in the meeting reminders, too? Because this is honestly so much better than the Wiki chat mibbit thing in terms of functioning
<@turb3>
as a footnote i also want to revisit TPG's idea about paper mario art style splitting that he posted here https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43606/post-2264459
<@turb3>
which will likely also be a forum thread that i force on people
<@turb3>
yes I can arrange for that
<Pitohui>
I think TPG's suggestion is a good one
<@turb3>
i'll just ask anton to replace the current link with it
<Lakituthequick>
yeah
<@turb3>
i do think i see us moving the chat party to discord ultimatley but i think it doesn't hurt to test the waters in steve with a channel set up ASAP
<Lakituthequick>
@ the pm thing
<NinjaSquid>
i will hope it will be working for me next time
<NinjaSquid>
:s
<Lakituthequick>
ASAP but not overhasted
<Smasher>
tpg's suggestion makes sense
<@turb3>
yeah we dont need to rush but i do want to raise awareness early
<@turb3>
and get perms/etc set up
<@turb3>
anyway thanks everyone
<Lakituthequick>
permissions are a thing yeah as you may want the core ac to have some sort of power
<@turb3>
i will slap myself with a ruler later on to remind myself of these things
<Uniju_>
anytime
<Lakituthequick>
but also turb and anton both are already chat staff so maybe that's not needed
<Rose>
I think being able to pin probably wouldn't hurt, if people are linking their tournament ops or something
<@turb3>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43781/ reminder that this still needs more votes before i finalize it; DK and Yoshi will be finalized on the list later
<Rose>
Same thing as Shroom staff having pin perms in Shroom channel
<@turb3>
why are pin perms fucking linked to deleting messages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<@turb3>
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
<Rose>
????
<@turb3>
not that i think you guys would do that it just pisses me off
<Pitohui>
So, not to steal your thunder, Turb, but I think the big takeaways have been - come up with something to replace M23, look into setting up the Discord Awards channel to test the waters, a Luigi's Mansion thread to clarify/rename that potentially, vote on Wario Music if people haven't already, and prepare for Fail Awards, yeah?
<Rose>
Awful
<Lakituthequick>
yeah that makes no sense turb
<@turb3>
yes pitohui
<@turb3>
thank you
<Rose>
I don't even think we need to see the awards channel as testing the water
<@turb3>
i needed someone to summarize that
<Rose>
We just have an awards channel
<@turb3>
yeah i think we should just Have it
<Rose>
It's an important component of the community there's no reason not to
<Smasher>
yeah just. throw it on there regardless
<@turb3>
i do think it might be considered water testing for chat party but if there are a lot of Problems that come up in the setup then i'm _
<@turb3>
hopefully not though
<@turb3>
logger bot is something i'm only going to be really screaming about when the party happens
<Smasher>
kind of weird that we dont have one already now that i think of it
<@turb3>
anyway thanks again we'll resume with fail next week
<Lakituthequick>
:clap:
<Pitohui>
The Turb-Pitohui power team is going to generate buzz and activity for #awards and #the-shroom, let's make it happen, lessgooooo, to use the colloquial term
<@turb3>
:clap:
<Smasher>
:clap:
<@turb3>
still planning on the youtube list for wario music so people have no excuse not to vote
<@turb3>
ive been listening to greenhorn ruins for Two Hours
<Lakituthequick>
note that #awards already exists so you need a different name unless you rename the old one
<Pitohui>
I think I linked videos when I put my nominees in for that
<@turb3>
could name that to awards staff
<Lakituthequick>
yeah
<@turb3>
i think i did too
<Smasher>
i would honestly benefit greatly if you send me a youtube list
<Smasher>
then i could definitely vote
<Rose>
Thinking about how we have #shroom and #the-shroom
<@_2257>
i still completely think there's no reason to have two separate echannels
<Rose>
Why isn't the staff one #shroom-staff
<@turb3>
im in kind of the same boat as 22 since we never really use the awards staff one
<Lakituthequick>
because it isn't
<@turb3>
like the meetings are public anyway
<Pitohui>
Didn't we decide there's no need for an underground awards channel
<@_2257>
i dunno, if you want it changed steve probably would
<Pitohui>
So we could just have the one
<@turb3>
there's no point to really having it be underground
<@_2257>
i doubt anyone's attached to the current name, it's confusing
<Lakituthequick>
there are <50 posts in that channel
<@turb3>
anyone can see the logs of this and the actual staff discussion is more bureaucratic voting