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Topic set by Anton{Politoed} (Mibbit@048-200-687-565.res.spectrum.com) on za, 17 apr 2021 01:10:22
Welcome to the Mario Wiki Anniversary official channel!
Channel created on do, 29 jan 2015 19:28:37
<Pitohui>
Good to see the two of you here
<meowth>
🐎
<Lakituthequick>
hello
<@Anton{Politoed}>
hi i'm here give ne a moment
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<Lakituthequick>
gaming
<tpggaming2>
rose ive been waiting HOURS
<Rose>
Sorry my bad
<@turb>
hello
<Rose>
Yo
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<NinjaSquid>
Hello!
<meowth>
im gay
<Lakituthequick>
hi gay
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm currently trying to catch a xerneas give me a second
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's VERY important
<Lakituthequick>
as you do
<@turb>
i might be away for a bit to get food or soemthing
<@turb>
instead of doing that in the hour prior to the meeting
<@turb>
as one does
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok i caught it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm the pokemon master
<meowth>
good work
<@Anton{Politoed}>
RED
<meowth>
scary
<tpggaming2>
D:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
doesn't even have good IVs
<@Anton{Politoed}>
bitch
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anyways welcome to today's ac meeting!
<meowth>
whee
<@Anton{Politoed}>
thank you all for surviving the volatile shift from friday to saturday, even sunday for some of you
<@Anton{Politoed}>
on today's agenda we're gonna be covering all the new award ideas, finishing Fail, and starting Community
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I did not have time to work on M5-7, but that's fine as it's essentially just compiling nominees and declaring "hey i'm doing this" to see if anyone has a stroke about it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I can do that later on the forum
<@turb>
i voted in every community awards poll :hutaowobble:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
otherwise what I think I'm gonna do is yeah that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.marioboards.com/forums/86/
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there's a bunch of community awards polls to vote on
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C1, C3, C4, C9
<@Anton{Politoed}>
go ahead and click all of those and take some time to vote in them
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh shit i need to do that
<Rose>
Why does it say I only voted on one thing for C9 :idfugit:
<Rose>
Sorry everyone I guess Mario Boombox is the only section that gets my vote this year
<Pitohui>
Yes, yes! Please do vote in these polls!
<Pitohui>
I was legit wondering why Boombox was the only section with unanimous votes up until now
<@Anton{Politoed}>
while you guys do that, I'm gonna go through the rest of Fail Awards to finish that up
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F12 Worst Game Objective (Boshi race (SMRPG), Yoshi Eggs (SMA), Blue Coins (SMS), Rabbits (SM64DS), Flopside Pit of 100 Trials (SPM), Piccolo (SPM), Duel of 100 (SPM), World 9 (NSMBW), One million Coins (NSMB2), Green Stars (SMG2), Completing every level with every character (SM3DW), Chasing General White (PM:TTYD), Super Expert Mode (SMM),
<Pitohui>
OPs have links to make things easier for those, btw
18) O. Collecting all Power Moons (SMO) - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. 120 Shine Sprites (SMS) - 2 - 0.11%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Finding Paper Toads (M&L:PJ) - 2 - 0.11%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Green Stars (SM3DW) - 2 - 0.11%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. The Perfect Run (SMG2) - 2 - 0.11%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. The Watermelon Festival (SMS) - 2 - 0.11%
<Lakituthequick>
Sorry ,was looking at a poll I swore I voted in but didnt
<@Anton{Politoed}>
write-ins aren't too compelling
<Rose>
Did Bowser's Fury do anything stupid
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is there anything new that just fucking sucked
<meowth>
not feeling the writins
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
:I Voted:
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah writeins feel like unneded here
<Lakituthequick>
I have notes
<Lakituthequick>
Add: Finding folded Toads (PM:TOK)
<meowth>
i can't think of anything from bf for this right away
<Pitohui>
TOK has a lot of 100% completion goals but none feel particularly egregious on their own... Combined, perhaps, though...
<tpggaming2>
BF only had 100 shines which were all fairly quick to go through
<Pitohui>
There's ? Blocks, Not-So-Bottomless Holes, Trophies, and Toads and you have to clear all of them in every area for 100%
<tpggaming2>
and that was its only objective
<meowth>
only thing is bf is just to collect 100 cat shines and while the blocks sucked it can be easily done in a few hours
<Pitohui>
BF did nothing annoying for this Award
<@turb>
uhhhhhhhhhhhh
<tpggaming2>
TOK on the other hand
<@turb>
honestly outside of the folded toads thing i cant think of shit
<@turb>
and im only saying that because i trust people to know when a thing sucks
<meowth>
as usual ill default to the people who actually played tok
<Lakituthequick>
I can't get over the name "not-so-bottomless hole"
<Lakituthequick>
I fact I hate that name
<Rose>
I didn't know people disliked finding the toads
<Lakituthequick>
But what can you do
<Pitohui>
It's a questionable name
<tpggaming2>
i think '100% completion' would work as a catch-all for all the mindless exploration stuff that TOK has
<Pitohui>
See, Rose, I don't think any of those are bad on their own
<Pitohui>
Just all combined
<@_2257>
what's wrong with it
<Pitohui>
I like TPG's suggestion
<Lakituthequick>
I don't dislike finding them but I feel like it migh tbe
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<Honoka_Chaosaka>
clearly instead it should have just been
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
bottomed hole
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this award is geared more towards specific tasks, not so much game-wide
<Lakituthequick>
Anyway I don't play the game in English so I am blessed by not having to look at "not-so-bottomless pit" all th etime
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and yeah "the whole game" is just
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
not a fit
<Smasher>
not so bottomless pit is a great name
<tpggaming2>
theres stuff like 'beat every level with every character in sm3dw' though
<Pitohui>
Fair point. I was thinking it more in terms of "additional collectathon element"
<Smasher>
to be fair, that is indeed an optional task
<@_2257>
i thought the idea was that it had to be soenmthing that was specifically rewarded or called out as a goal by the game
<Pitohui>
Since it isn't really required to beat the game
<Pitohui>
Just something you get some extra rewards for
<BBQ-Turtle>
The beating every level with every character thing is required to get gold stars on flagpoles and the last five stamps.
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think it's more like
<NinjaSquid>
well, there is chasing general white in there
<Lakituthequick>
F12 - Worst Game Objective - The worst goal, challenge, objective, or quest in a game.
<NinjaSquid>
which is required to beat TTYD
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
just saying "100% completion of tok" is too general
<Smasher>
optional in just beating the game i meant
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
as opposed to if a specific one was specifically Really Bad
<Smasher>
yeah i agree that 100% completing a game doesn´t quite fit
<@_2257>
worst game objective: play donkey kong 64
<tpggaming2>
doesnt tok mark out goals for 100%
<Pitohui>
Yeah, it does
<@Anton{Politoed}>
100%ing TOK could be something if it's like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
a Thing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
conceptually different than, like, 100% odyssey
<Pitohui>
Well, for clarity's sake, I suppose when I say "100%", it's really about "finding every single one of all four classes of collectibles"
<Pitohui>
(Though I don't feel very strongly about it one way or the other)
<@_2257>
what about mario kart tour
<@_2257>
that game sucks
<@_2257>
surely there's something that can be added
<Lakituthequick>
does it have objectives
<tpggaming2>
mario odyssey definitely rewards 100% completion more than TOK does
<Smasher>
worst game objective: downloading mario kart tour
<tpggaming2>
you get the top hat on the castle, the new bowser fight, golden sail
<tpggaming2>
extra picture in the credits
<Lakituthequick>
i have unlocked exactly 0 of these
<tpggaming2>
if theres room in the award definition for something like that, i think 999 power moons is a better fit than 100%ing TOK
<tpggaming2>
theres a document for award definitions right
<Lakituthequick>
I just posted F12's
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43693/
<Pitohui>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43693/
<Pitohui>
Oh, beaten to it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm open to 999 power moons
<tpggaming2>
dont have perms to view that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
have achieved it, can confirm there's parts that suck and made me hate the game
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh rip
<@Anton{Politoed}>
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<Pitohui>
999 Power Moons seems reasonable
<tpggaming2>
and ye farming coins for 3 hours to buy the extra 100 moons is not fun and not cute
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://pastebin.com/bBpPjNT6
<tpggaming2>
"F12 - Worst Game Objective - The worst goal, challenge, objective, or quest in a game.
<tpggaming2>
"
<tpggaming2>
i would say 999 power moons fits within this given the substantial (but not worth it) reward at the end
<@turb>
oh is 999 moons possible........
<@turb>
for some reason i thought it capped at like 300 but i guess thats where i stopped caring about the game
<Smasher>
getting every power moon got three write ins
<Smasher>
so theres that
<@turb>
we've had stuff like this on the award before and if it was a nominee it would probably see good traction
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah, we did say the write-ins weren't compelling
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but that's just on votes alone
<@_2257>
theres like 800 specific objectibes
<Smasher>
thinking about it more it probably wouldnt hurt but
<@_2257>
or 892 or something
<tpggaming2>
892 sounds about right
<tpggaming2>
the rest you have to buy in the shop over and over again
<@_2257>
yeah
<@_2257>
i remember grinding coins... and then they added a way to actually get coins
<@_2257>
good times
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Collecting all 999 Power Moons (SMO)"? (y/n/a)
<Lakituthequick>
Isn't there a sublevel of Bowser's where you can grind coins
<Lakituthequick>
a
<@_2257>
yes, that is what i did
<Pitohui>
y
<BBQ-Turtle>
y
<tpggaming2>
thats the one
<@_2257>
but you can get them much faster with luigi
<NinjaSquid>
y
<@_2257>
whcih wasnt added until later
<@turb>
y
<Smasher>
a
<@_2257>
a
<Smasher>
4-0-3
<Rose>
a
<@Anton{Politoed}>
y
<Lakituthequick>
I played Luigi's like, four tiimes
<Smasher>
5-0-4
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think I achieved everything with luigi
<@_2257>
you can get loads of coins real fast
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think I 1000000%ed odyssey
<@_2257>
and its... not the most fun ive ever had, but definitely 1000x more fun than the alternative
<@Anton{Politoed}>
in order to create that scavenger hunt that like 4 people played
<Pitohui>
I'm sorry Anton, but that sounds like the title of a self-help book "I Achieved Everything with Luigi, and so can You"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any other considerations for F12?
<tpggaming2>
i 100%ed odyssey too but uh
<Pitohui>
None from me
<tpggaming2>
i didnt buy it until midway through the hint hunt
<@_2257>
i 100%ed it and then they added more stuff
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F13 Worst Remake (Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Advance, Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2, Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario All-Stars, Luigi's Mansion (3DS), Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe)
<Smasher>
i stopped at the metro kingdom i think
<Lakituthequick>
9) Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 - 54 - 3.25%
<Lakituthequick>
10) Super Mario All-Stars - 51 - 3.07%
<Lakituthequick>
11) Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2 - 40 - 2.41%
<Lakituthequick>
12) O. Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS - 7 - 0.42%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 5 - 0.30%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition - 5 - 0.30%
<@turb>
bowsers fury doesnt count for this does it
<@turb>
since its a port
<@_2257>
i still wish we could add something from mkt but i know nothing about specific objectives
<NinjaSquid>
I guess we can add 3D All-Stars?
<@turb>
i also dont
<Smasher>
i dont think fury counts
<@turb>
@ 22
<@turb>
oh yeah 3d all stars
<Lakituthequick>
F13 - Worst Remake - The worst new version or remake of a game.
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
3d all stars is a port too
<Smasher>
3d as does i think though
<@turb>
idk
<Smasher>
well maybe
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think we said ports are okay though?
<Rose>
Ehhhhhhh
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
aren't the advance versions basically ports
<@_2257>
if nsmbudx is legal
<tpggaming2>
oh if 'new version' applies then defo 3d all stars
<@_2257>
how is anything not honestly
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and yeah, nsmbudx
<Smasher>
i have it in mind for a different award
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
so i'd be fine with just
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
including ports
<@turb>
imo we should also add mario maker 3ds
<@turb>
we seem to have ample space for it
<Smasher>
ok nsmbudx means im supporting sm3das
<Pitohui>
3D-All Stars should fit here, with some of the others here
<Smasher>
and mario maker makes sense too
<Rose>
Something about the title of Worst Remake still bugs me in junction with 3D All-Stars
<Rose>
But I think we talked about this last year and ended up with "who cares" by the end
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there's only 11 nominees so let's start from the write-ins that got more votes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS"? (y/n/a)
<@turb>
y
<NinjaSquid>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<Lakituthequick>
i'm sure the name of this award has been discussed for hours last year
<@_2257>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<meowth>
y
<Rose>
y
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe"? (y/n/a)
<tpggaming2>
could rename it to make it more port-friendly
<meowth>
7-0-0
<meowth>
n
<@_2257>
n
<NinjaSquid>
n
<@turb>
n
<Pitohui>
n
<Lakituthequick>
n
<meowth>
0-6-0
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
n
<tpggaming2>
like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition"? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<@_2257>
n
<Pitohui>
y
<meowth>
it definitely counts but i don't think it qualifies
<Lakituthequick>
a
<BBQ-Turtle>
a
<@_2257>
smas limited edition is the wii one right
<NinjaSquid>
what is the limited edition?
<tpggaming2>
'Worst Port or Remake'
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh
<NinjaSquid>
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh the WII one
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that's what the write-in is
<tpggaming2>
there are definitely wordier awards titles
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
for some reason i thought we were talking about 3d all stars
<NinjaSquid>
the wii one?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
change my y to an n
<meowth>
n, it's basically the same as smas which is already here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if there's a different version then what is it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
no i just got my wires crossed with 3d all stars for switch
<@_2257>
smas for the snes presumably
<NinjaSquid>
i thought it was the one with super mario world on the snes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and thus i went "oh it's not that"
<meowth>
i don't have the wii version but ive heard its just
<@turb>
ill just say a
<meowth>
an snes cart on a wii disc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also tpg i see you, we'll do that next
<Pitohui>
It is, Smasher
<meowth>
then yeah n
<@turb>
the wii version is just the snes cart on the wii disc but it also had extra art stuff with it so i wasnt especially peeved
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so do we want the snes version
<@_2257>
no tbh
<@turb>
they did explicitly tell us it was a snes cart on a wii disc so i may never understand th frustration
<@turb>
tbh i would rather like
<Pitohui>
It's already a nominee
<@_2257>
its 4 games for the price of 1 and they were updated
<@turb>
swap out the snes version for the wii version
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we have it
<meowth>
honestly
<meowth>
yeah per turb
<@_2257>
very stupid choice, idk how it gets any votes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh gr8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
wii did it
<meowth>
the wii version is the real problem
<@turb>
i can't really like, assume in complete good faith that people are voting snes all stars 50 times, or wii all stars, or anything
<@turb>
there could be 50 people out there that really hate snes all stars
<meowth>
the snes version is nearly universally agreed to be good i think so a swap makes sense
<@turb>
but personally i would want the wii version to be on there since thats the one people hate, and then if someone really hates snes smas they can write that in and we'll make a swap next year
<@turb>
if its needed
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so y limited edition?
<Pitohui>
Yes
<@turb>
y limited edition on tje premise that it swaps out with the existing on eyeah
<Rose>
a
<NinjaSquid>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
a
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok let's do that
<meowth>
i vote y to replacing the orginal with wii
<@_2257>
a
<meowth>
3-0-3 on the swap
<meowth>
oh pitohui
<meowth>
4-0-3
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so definition change time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
tpg's idea includes changing the award name
<@Anton{Politoed}>
thoughts, feelings
<@turb>
ambivalent
<Rose>
I agree with TPG's idea
<Pitohui>
TPG's suggestion of "Worst Port or Remake" sounds reasonable to me
<NinjaSquid>
I agree with that
<meowth>
im ok with changing it to port or remake to cover our bases
<Pitohui>
Avoids thorny debate on what exactly is a port versus a remake while still excluding, like, VC games
<meowth>
yeah
<@turb>
idk if voters have struggled with the title very much
<@_2257>
nes classic
<Smasher>
:fuck:
<@turb>
its a bit different from biggest missed opportunity wher things are just like thrown into a pile because of the broadness of the award and generally accepted writeins
<Pitohui>
What's the deal with the NES Classic?
<Rose>
I know they haven't struggled but I'm still gonna be personally bothered if I see "3D All-Stars" under "Worst Remake" because 3D All-Stars is actually the furthest thing from a remake
<@_2257>
:shrug:
<@_2257>
just wanted to see what people would say
<@turb>
i dont really have a compelling argument to not change to it beyond "[...] or [...]" flaring up something in my brain in an awards title
<@turb>
so ambivalent still
<@_2257>
dont worry turb
<Pitohui>
Oh, I thought you were about to drop, like "NES Classic doesn't emulate games they're all brand new remakes"
<tpggaming2>
is there a word to encompass both port and remake
<Smasher>
yeah the or is going to be weird
<tpggaming2>
rerelease?
<Lakituthequick>
"Worst game republication"
<Lakituthequick>
?
<@turb>
i thought about rerelease
<Pitohui>
See, that's where I fear VC games would be on there, TPG
<@_2257>
if that makes you sad, just consider that it could also be called "worst port, remake, reissue, rerelease, enhanced port, or directors cut"
<Smasher>
:FUCK:
<Pitohui>
Because, like, a VC game is a "rerelease" despite being unchanged from the original
<@turb>
that one is so wordy that its funny
<@turb>
even though im dying
<tpggaming2>
i think game republication would confuse voters more than 3Dallstars being on a list of remakes
<Rose>
Why is "[...] or [...]" an issue title wise
<Smasher>
yeah re-release is a good word but i dont want three vc releases of super mario bros to get writeins
<Pitohui>
Mario Wiki uses reissue as a catch-all
<Pitohui>
https://www.mariowiki.com/Reissue
<@Anton{Politoed}>
gr8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
informally Remake
<tpggaming2>
ngl i hadnt heard of that word until now
<Pitohui>
"Every Mario game (not counting the WiiWare games) released on the Virtual Console is a port of an original game
<Pitohui>
The above text is from the Super Mario Wiki and is available under a Creative Commons license. Attribution must be provided through a list of authors or a link back to the original article. Source: https://www.mariowiki.com/Reissue"
<Pitohui>
How dare you say this, MarioWiki
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we're going with this, with the option of maintaining Remake as it is indeed listed as something they're referred to as
<@Anton{Politoed}>
albeit """"""""informal""""""""""""
<@turb>
i would be ok with reissue
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but we can certainly include that word soup in an updated definition
<meowth>
reissue works
<Lakituthequick>
"reissue" was dissussed last year https://smw.ltquick.nl/irclogs/awards20meeting5
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I was about to say,. yeah
<Lakituthequick>
people were generally eh about it
<Lakituthequick>
recognisability and all
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"[8:54:34 PM] <@Anton{Politoed}> Remake would be more recognizable and understood by voters than Reissue"
<Pitohui>
Oh, yeah, so it was
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I agree with myself
<tpggaming2>
i agree with what people said last year
<meowth>
ok then we can just not do that then
<meowth>
forgot about last year
<Rose>
I just think that the issue with 3D All-Stars is that people hate it because it's literally bad emulation of an old game
<Rose>
It is the exact opposite of a remake
<@turb>
see i also agree with anton here from the past
<Rose>
So the award title just grinds my gears a little that way
<Rose>
But if we don't have an alternative everyone likes, then
<@turb>
also nsmbu deluxe is hated because its a direct overpriced wii u port right
<Rose>
Shrug
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so let's change the definition
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F13 - Worst Remake - The worst new version or remake of a game.
<@turb>
we should - yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
keep in mind that we do include definitions now in the polls
<@Anton{Politoed}>
they are visible
<tpggaming2>
i think the definition works as-is honestly
<@Anton{Politoed}>
could add an addendum, "This includes, blah blah blah"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but also, we don't have to !!
<@_2257>
what was wrong with the emulation
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if we're fine with this now that we all thought about it, we can move on
<Rose>
There were a number of bugs with the emulation that weren't meant to be in the game
<Smasher>
i think im ready to move on
<Pitohui>
I think I'm good without changes here, in light of what's been discussed
<Rose>
Like the pathing of floating blocks indicated by dots in Sunshine that aren't in the actual release
<@_2257>
o
<@turb>
im fine with moving on and like, revisiting adding shit to the description
<tpggaming2>
i agree with rose that 3Dallstars isnt a remake but i think all the other options beyond adding an addendum to the definition would be more confusing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F14 Worst Setting (Subcon (SMB2), Starship Mario & galaxies (SMG2), Mushroom Kingdom (SM3DL), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT), Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT), Party Cube (MP4), Star Carnival (MP8), Shroom City (MPA), Party Islands (MP:IT), Egg Island (YNI), Transformed Wario Castle (WW),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
DK Isles/Crocodile Isle (DK64), The Fun Fair & surrounding areas (MPL), Mushroom Kingdom (PM:SS))
<Lakituthequick>
14) Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT) - 35 - 2.36%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Starship Mario & galaxies (SMG2) - 33 - 2.22%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT) - 27 - 1.82%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Prism Island (PM:CS) - 4 - 0.27%
<Lakituthequick>
18) O. Koopa Hotels (HM) - 3 - 0.20%
<Smasher>
:woman_shrugging:
<NinjaSquid>
eh
<Pitohui>
Nothing new sticks out as being bad and none of the write-ins catch my eye with those numbers
<Smasher>
i dont have anything to suggest here
<tpggaming2>
bowser fury had one location and it was fine
<Smasher>
lake lapcat was acceptable
<Lakituthequick>
I could mention TOK but that world is excellent imo so I don't support adding it
<@_2257>
earth (mario kart tour)
<NinjaSquid>
your living room (Mario Kart Live) :P
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F15 Most Disappointing Game (New Super Mario Bros. 2, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Yoshi's New Island, Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games, Mario Party 10, Super Paper Mario, Mario Party 9, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition, Super Mario 64 DS, Mario Party: Island Tour, Super Mario Sunshine,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS, Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury, Yoshi's Crafted World, Super Mario Party, Mario Kart Tour)
<Smasher>
my house is my least favorite setting
<Smasher>
so
<Lakituthequick>
16) Mario Party: Island Tour - 32 - 1.67%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Super Mario 64 DS - 24 - 1.25%
<Lakituthequick>
18) Super Mario 3D World - 22 - 1.15%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Mario Party: The Top 100 - 13 - 0.68%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Paper Mario: Color Splash - 8 - 0.42%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Super Mario Odyssey - 8 - 0.42%
<Smasher>
NOW i think i want to ask about 3das
<tpggaming2>
ok
<@Anton{Politoed}>
1) Paper Mario: Sticker Star - 496 - 25.93% 2) Mario Kart Tour - 241 - 12.60%
<tpggaming2>
how about
<tpggaming2>
that 3d all stars game huh
<Smasher>
yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
top 100 did really well
<Rose>
That's what I was thinking @ anton
<Smasher>
i liked it but there's definitely problems
<Pitohui>
3D-All Stars as an addition, Top 100 as a swap (if needed?) feels right to me here
<Smasher>
im going to say
<@Anton{Politoed}>
no space
<Lakituthequick>
You can drop 64DS and 3DW and add those two
<Smasher>
kill 3d world and 64d-
<Smasher>
thanks
<Pitohui>
Yeah, per Smasher and LTQ
<Smasher>
yeah ltq's suggestion is mine
<tpggaming2>
ye
<@turb>
per all of that
<Lakituthequick>
this mailbox is mine
<NinjaSquid>
per
<@Anton{Politoed}>
which one
<Lakituthequick>
and this triangular sign
<@Anton{Politoed}>
re: all stars
<Smasher>
top 100 did super well as a write in
<@Anton{Politoed}>
what's the full name
<Pitohui>
Super Mario 3D-All Stars
<Rose>
Super Mario 3D All-Stars
<NinjaSquid>
Super Mario 3D All-Stars
<Smasher>
Super Mario 3D All-Stars
<Lakituthequick>
Super Mario 3D All-Stars
<Smasher>
Super Mario 3D All-Stars\
<@_2257>
i think it's Super Mario 3D All-Stars
<tpggaming2>
Mario's 3D Stars
<Rose>
The one time Pitohui has ever ninja'd me
<Pitohui>
The roles have been reversed...
<NinjaSquid>
and the ninja not being fast enough
<Lakituthequick>
yes, but pito did miss the dash
<Rose>
Trick Room
<@Anton{Politoed}>
like, is that is
<Smasher>
its ok pito actually got it wrong
<@Anton{Politoed}>
no need for clarification on system
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it*
<Smasher>
yeah that's it
<Pitohui>
Oh, I put the dash in the wrong place
<Rose>
Victory is still mine
<NinjaSquid>
you won rose
<Pitohui>
And, no, it's only Switch, and it's pretty clear
<Smasher>
there's no other game called 3d all-stars
<@Anton{Politoed}>
gr8
<tpggaming2>
yeah there arent any other similar games on different systems
<Smasher>
distinct enough from the snes/wii one
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh i got confused
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is this the uhhhhhhh
<@Anton{Politoed}>
mario dies one
<Pitohui>
Yes
<Smasher>
yeah
<Lakituthequick>
ye
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok!
<Smasher>
the one that just got pulled from everything
<Lakituthequick>
something something Jim
<Smasher>
that i can still find at wallmart easily
<@_2257>
actually would mario 35 be a choice
<Smasher>
i dunno
<Pitohui>
Did people not like the game or just that it was taken away, 22?
<Rose>
Mario 35 was a pretty lame experience
<Pitohui>
I thought people liked the game itself, on the whole
<tpggaming2>
i never heard much disappointment with that game beyond 'bluh limited release'
<@_2257>
ceasing to exist after 6 months would be pretty disappointing if you liked it
<NinjaSquid>
yeah same here pito
<Smasher>
i thought it was a good game, i just wish it stopped existing
<Rose>
I'm gonna be real Shoey is the only person I know who- oh
<Smasher>
but we COULD kill island tour too if people feel strongly about this?
<Pitohui>
For the record, Nintendo deserves immense shame and punishment for arbitrarily taking it down
<Pitohui>
But I don't think I've heard much bad about the game itself
<Smasher>
oh
<tpggaming2>
but i think if someones gonna vote for a game for being a limited release theyre gonna go for 3d all stars instead of mario 35
<Smasher>
i just wish it DIDNT stop existing*
<Smasher>
yeah that
<Smasher>
and 3das has more obvious other problems
<Smasher>
lack of smg2, kind of barebones, _ emulation at the top of my head
<Pitohui>
3DAS was actually disappointing as a game, for people expecting any effort to be put into polishing the classic titles for Mario's 35th
<NinjaSquid>
A full remaster of Super Mario Sunshine would have been awesome :(
<@Anton{Politoed}>
super princess peach 2 :(
<@Anton{Politoed}>
with a special area dedicated to giving giant kamek a hug
<@turb>
i agree
<Lakituthequick>
Kamek
<NinjaSquid>
kamek should get more spotlight
<Pitohui>
Vote for Kamek
<Smasher>
super princess kamerk
<Smasher>
-r
<@Anton{Politoed}>
alright so this completes Fail except for forum threads
<@Anton{Politoed}>
conveniently at around the hour mark
<Smasher>
we dont need to vote on those two swaps right
<@Anton{Politoed}>
already did it
<Smasher>
i think everyone was basically in agreement
<Smasher>
gr8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
-Favorite Game Mechanic
<@Anton{Politoed}>
-Favorite Merchandise
<@Anton{Politoed}>
-Favorite Mario Party Board
<@Anton{Politoed}>
-Most Shameless Cash-Grab
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/
<@Anton{Politoed}>
awards up for removal/replacement are M22 Favorite Battle Course, M23 Favorite Capture, and M24 Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss, F11 Biggest Missed Opportunity
<@Anton{Politoed}>
while there is discussion of which ones may be stronger or weaker new awards, is anyone really feeling that any of the new ones are WORSE than the current ones?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if so, we can then organize priority
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if not, then it doesn't matter
<Pitohui>
The only one that feels questionable to me if Favorite Mario Party Board in comparison to Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss
<Pitohui>
*is, not if
<@_2257>
i think im experiencing lag
<@Anton{Politoed}>
rip
<Smasher>
i definitely want to swap out bc and capture i think
<@turb>
yeah i agree with bc and capture
<Smasher>
i kind of like all three new ideas
<Pitohui>
Yeah, those ones I definitely want to swap
<@turb>
i kind of want to keep lm boss around as an emergency "kill it" for next year but like
<@turb>
i dunno
<@turb>
i think, in the end, i might want to have game mechanic and mario party board
<Pitohui>
See, that's kind of my thinking, Turb
<@turb>
i like all three though
<Smasher>
merchandise is probably the one that might be the least appealing to voters
<@turb>
the thing about merchandise is that as nintendo world picks up more it might become more relevant to the voterbase??
<Smasher>
i personally like it more than board
<Pitohui>
I'm like "LM3 is still less than a year old, might be right to kill that one next year and save MP Board as a replacement"
<@turb>
idk what the plans are for 2022
<Smasher>
but im not sure
<Smasher>
thats true turb
<tpggaming2>
most shameless cash grab opens up a placement for mario kart tour :)
<Pitohui>
*less than two years
<Smasher>
mkt is like the first nominee
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll just say
<Pitohui>
Yeah, MKT is on there, TPG
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F11 rework is happening
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so it's on the other 3
<@Anton{Politoed}>
battle course and capture seem to have no one fighting to save them
<Smasher>
yeah i think we can definitely cut those two
<Pitohui>
They should go
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so it's time to make for an incredibly confusing vote for smasher to deal with
<Lakituthequick>
i like bc but am not protecting it
<Smasher>
it doesnt seem like anyone really has objections to game mechanic
<Smasher>
:FUCK:
<Lakituthequick>
oh boy, it's one of those "vote for two" things isn't it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Game Mechanic (1), Merchandise (2), MP Board (3), please place in order from top priority to lowest (i.e. 123, 231, 321, etc.)
<Pitohui>
123
<Lakituthequick>
oh boy, this is even worse
<tpggaming2>
haha
<NinjaSquid>
132
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
3, 2, 1
<@Anton{Politoed}>
:)
<@_2257>
312
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also regarding F11
<BBQ-Turtle>
1, 3, 2
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i like pitohui's name for it
<Lakituthequick>
321
<Smasher>
i hate this a lot
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it makes it formal while still pointing out "this is actual bullshit"
<Smasher>
132
<Rose>
1 2 3
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so let's treat it this way smasher
<@Anton{Politoed}>
shroom votes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
1st gets 5 points, 2nd gets 3, 3rd gets 1
<Smasher>
good idea
<Smasher>
one moment
<Lakituthequick>
take this moment to vote for polls if you haven´ t allready
<@turb>
132
<Lakituthequick>
:IVoted:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm sure there's a better democratic method but also I don't care, this is purely for visualization and not necessarily official
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also, 132
<Lakituthequick>
it's funny you say 'shroom votes actually
<Lakituthequick>
since we abolished this system a couple months ago
<Smasher>
40-18-34
<Smasher>
i THINK
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah !!
<Smasher>
whatever it is, mechanic and mp board are definitely the winners
<Smasher>
merchandise is overwhelmingly the lose
<Smasher>
r
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so this makes it kinda clear, Merchandise vs. LM Boss
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the other two are in
<Smasher>
i could go either way
<Rose>
I would like to personally propose that Mechanic becomes the next M23 because slotting Mechanic, which has Capture in it as an option, into the old Capture poll would make my brain go brrrr
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I was the one who proposed Favorite Merchandise so I guess I have a stake in this
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<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i like rose's idea
<@turb>
same
<@Anton{Politoed}>
BBQ-Turtle had a critique https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2271778
<Smasher>
works for me
<BBQ-Turtle>
I still think Luigi's Mansion boss is worth keeping one more year just for the shakeup the new nominees will cause. I think Fishook's probably going to place quite high if nothing else.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"I just think the merchandise one is a bit too far-reaching, and even if you start grouping things up there's still goodness knows how many different pieces and groups of merchandise that could be included for this award. I don't imagine the write-ins would be too favourable either and defining it would be quite hard. It also raises the question of where we
<Pitohui>
I like Merchandise but I do think BBQ's critique is valid and I would prefer to keep Luigi's Mansion boss over it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
draw the line of merchandise- would things like Super Mario-kun and other books count? I don't think it's impossible to get working, but I just can't quite see how to get it there myself."
<@_2257>
do we have/have we ever had an award for alternate media
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm for Merchandise as it represents a facet of the franchise that we have yet to consider
<Rose>
Ultimately I don't have too much of a preference between LMB and Merchandise, but if the task of whittling down Merchandise is too laborious I'm willing to stick with LMB
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and I can't recall, 22
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we did
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if the question is labor, it's literally me who has to deal with that
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
long ago
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and I absolutely don't care
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
but it was Worst
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I have to do a ton of work on all of this regardless
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we had Worst Other Medium but it always only got a piddling amount of votes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and it was eventually cut for that reason
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so if that's your deciding factor, instead find another deciding factor
<BBQ-Turtle>
I think sometimes non-game stuff is thrown in on other awards, but I'm not aware of a non-game entirely award myself.
<Smasher>
i completely forgot about worst other medium
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh we also had favorite other medium from 2007-2009
<@_2257>
too bad super mario kun and stuff like thatnever gets localised
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also worst got cut in part because
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
as you can probably guess
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the new F11 is taking into account merchandise, just in a Fail context
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it was always overwhelmingly the movie
<Pitohui>
Didn't Super Mario Kun get a localized compilation recently, 22?
<@turb>
i guess we're kind of dealing with two awards with a smaller than average interest pool
<@turb>
not everyone has played lm games and not everyone is familiar with the merch
<@_2257>
yes but it was like a tiny part of it
<Smasher>
pretty much
<@_2257>
and not even complete stories afaik
<@_2257>
just like highlights
<Pitohui>
I see
<BBQ-Turtle>
It was a selection of a couple of chapters from several books.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i agree turb
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i haven't played any luigi's mansion, but my morton plush is cute and huggable
<@turb>
i think, thinking about that alone, im willing to take the chance on merchandise
<@turb>
i'm really OK either way on them though
<@_2257>
also they called it manga mania which is just, an extremely embarrassing name imo
<@turb>
like i want to see lm boss go another year but at the same time king boo is just going to win anyway if the problem is interesting vote turnouts
<@_2257>
anyway is that merch
<Smasher>
i feel like merchandise is more interesting to me personally which is why im leaning in favor of a swap, but i could go either way as i could see it struggle
<@_2257>
also ive already said it but i think lm boss is basically a bad award that should be cut
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we could bring the award back in 2029 with the release of 4
<@turb>
good plan
<Smasher>
bless
<@_2257>
oh yeah, i dont mean intrinsically bad
<@_2257>
just, doomed to stagnate until there's a new game
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anyways since I need to not be afraid to throw my weight into an option I like in an attempt to come off welcoming of other ideas
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think that if a lot of people are saying "i could go either way" then i'm gonna decide to go my way since it doesn't matter
<Smasher>
i am leaning your way for what its worth
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and I feel the full listing of merchandise results would be more interesting than seeing if fishook places 5th or 8th
<@turb>
i can agree with that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I do acknowledge that it is kind of an open-ended award
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but should it be a successful one, we can address write-ins to see how people come to understand it, and reshape it accorgindly next year
<@Anton{Politoed}>
accordingly*
<@_2257>
so are we doing that one right now because i have some questions
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this is not to say I'm OPPOSED to an open-ended award either, we've had plenty of them before
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i can take the questions, sure, but I'd like to officially vote to decide
<@Anton{Politoed}>
do you want to ask before or after that
<@_2257>
uhhh
<@_2257>
ill wait i guess
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Swap in Favorite Merchandise, or keep Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss? (Swap/Keep/a)
<@_2257>
s
<Pitohui>
Keep
<@Anton{Politoed}>
swap
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
a
<BBQ-Turtle>
keep
<Smasher>
swap
<Lakituthequick>
a
<@turb>
swap
<Power_Flotzo>
Keep
<Smasher>
4-3-2
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I can see this being too close to call
<Smasher>
might be too close to call yet yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss Merchandise
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
:hutaowobble:
<Smasher>
king boo plushie wins
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if not opposed to it, I can make this a poll in the General Discussion board to fish for all ac member votes, and keep it at a hard decision
<Lakituthequick>
unvote
<Lakituthequick>
swap
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think that'd be good, anton
<Smasher>
5-3-2
<NinjaSquid>
swap
<Smasher>
5-3-1*
<Smasher>
6-3-1
<Smasher>
might still be good to put it as a poll
<@Anton{Politoed}>
althooooough that number seems high
<@Anton{Politoed}>
10 votes?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
how many members do we have, 14?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh, yeah, i think it's fine to stick with it now
<Smasher>
but now the swap is starting to make a run for it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I can just find those 4 peeps and get them to read logs
<@Anton{Politoed}>
much more efficient use of time
<Smasher>
@ rose vote
<Smasher>
oh wait that might actually ping him :idfugit:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I won't pin a final decision now, but it's pending
Favorite Mario Party Board, let's tuck that in at M22
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Castaway Bay (Mario Party 6)** Fair Square (Mario Party 6)** Kamek's Library (Mario Party DS) Koopa's Tycoon Town (Mario Party 8) Magma Mine (Mario Party 9) Neon Heights (Mario Party 7) Pagoda Peak (Mario Party 7) Peach's Birthday Cake (Mario Party) Waluigi Island (Mario Party 3)* Western Land (Mario Party 2)
<Rose>
Hold on I'm getting pulled away
<@Anton{Politoed}>
current nominees suggestions
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
>no mario party 4 nominees
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
trash award (i have only played mario party 4)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm taking those wholesale unless there's any opposition, but more nominees are welcome
<Smasher>
5 also got shut out
<Pitohui>
Okay Perch MP4 is one of my favorites but it doesn't have a single good board
<Smasher>
:atwhatcost:
<Rose>
My vote is abstain :idfugit:
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
shy guy's jungle jam says up yours
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there's only 10 nominees so the field is open
<Pitohui>
Oh, okay, that's fair, I forgot about Jungle Jam
<Rose>
I'm probably out for the rest of the meeting good luck folks
<Lakituthequick>
With the current count I'd say do what we did for battle course
<Lakituthequick>
At least 1 per game, more as seen fit
<@Anton{Politoed}>
which games are missing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
4, 5
<Lakituthequick>
Super
<Pitohui>
https://www.mariowiki.com/King_Bob-omb%27s_Powderkeg_Mine - this one is good in Super
<NinjaSquid>
10
<Lakituthequick>
maybe IT
<Lakituthequick>
So 4, 5, Super, Island Tour
<@Anton{Politoed}>
gr8, we got 4 and IT
<NinjaSquid>
and 10
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is 10 with bowser mode
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i love bowser mode
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<NinjaSquid>
yes
<Lakituthequick>
I think so
<Lakituthequick>
:bowser:
<@turb>
i think there are more boards people like from 2/3
<Smasher>
i have not played enough of 10 or super to comment, ill remind myself of 5 boards
<@turb>
and those are probably the most played mario parties for the older generation
<@turb>
and maybe ds
<@turb>
idk if people actually like waluigis island or not fwiw
<Smasher>
yeah 2 and 3 are maybe the most popular ones?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah i have not played the other games so
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm useless until we're done
<Pitohui>
https://www.mariowiki.com/Sweet_Dream - 5's best board
<Smasher>
4 is my most played but thats more because of the minigames than the boards
<Lakituthequick>
For formatting I suggest "Board Name (Abbr)"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
was just about to ask that yeah
<Smasher>
good idea
<BBQ-Turtle>
If we're looking to add nominees for 10 and Island Tour, I'd hazard a guess at Whimsical Waters being the one to pick for 10 and maybe Shy Guy's Shuffle City for Island Tour? I think a lot of people like it despite it being download play exclusive.
<Lakituthequick>
DP-exlusive boards, that's a new one
<Power_Flotzo>
For?
<NinjaSquid>
whimsical waters was a good one in 10
<Pitohui>
Oh, yeah, Shuffle City is a good one
<Smasher>
favorite mp board flotzo
<Smasher>
we're killing battle course for this
<@Anton{Politoed}>
(Castaway Bay (MP6), Fair Square (MP6), Kamek's Library (MPDS), Koopa's Tycoon Town (MP8), Magma Mine (MP9), Neon Heights (MP7), Pagoda Peak (MP7), Peach's Birthday Cake (MP), Waluigi Island (MP3), Western Land (MP2), Shy Guy’s Jungle Jam (MP4), King Bob-omb's Powderkeg Mine (SMP), Sweet Dream (MP5), Shy Guy’s Shuffle City (MP:IT), Whimsical Waters (MP10))
<@Anton{Politoed}>
current listing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
15
<Pitohui>
Am I blind or is the original MP not represented
<Lakituthequick>
couple of 's
<Pitohui>
Did that one have any good Boards
<@turb>
peach's birthday cake
<@turb>
that one is on there
<Pitohui>
Oh, grand
<Pitohui>
I am blind
<NinjaSquid>
peach bir- yeah
<@turb>
thats also the only one without boo so it was the only one i felt comfortable suggesting LOL
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are we ' or ’
<Lakituthequick>
former
<@Anton{Politoed}>
google docs isn't distinguishing when i type
<BBQ-Turtle>
We do seem to be lacking one from Star Rush but I don't think any of the boards there were anything to write home about. I thought they were all pretty samey.
<Smasher>
i forgot star rush existed to be completely honest
<Lakituthequick>
I believe only the Shy Guy ones had it
<Lakituthequick>
Will recheck it for full review anyway
<NinjaSquid>
i don't think there was boards like normal mario parties
<NinjaSquid>
in Star Rush i mean
<NinjaSquid>
i may be mistaken though
<BBQ-Turtle>
Yeah, they have boards but they aren't exactly like the other ones. Still may be worth some consideration though.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
idk any of them though
<@Anton{Politoed}>
has anyone played it
<Pitohui>
Not me
<Lakituthequick>
i have only ever played like
<Lakituthequick>
DS and Super
<BBQ-Turtle>
I have but not much and not a fan.
<@turb>
ive only played ds and 8 and the first 3 over netplay
<Pitohui>
I started giving up on MP around that time until Super came out
<NinjaSquid>
i played it once
<@turb>
im not sure anyone alive has played star rush
<NinjaSquid>
can't remember much
<BBQ-Turtle>
I think I'm alive?
<Smasher>
i am not alive but i have not yet acquired either 3ds party game
<Lakituthequick>
Are you though 🤔
<@turb>
i stand corrected
<Smasher>
only one person alive has played star rush
<Smasher>
congrats bbq
<BBQ-Turtle>
I don't know, I never seem to have a pulse.
<Power_Flotzo>
Make that two.
<Lakituthequick>
gasp
<Pitohui>
The Star Rush fandom emerges
<Smasher>
i am horrified
<Pitohui>
[s]and it's somehow larger than half the fandoms I'm in[/s]
<Smasher>
all this is doing is making me slowly realize how many 3ds mario games i didnt get
<@Anton{Politoed}>
well
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'll leave this award where it is right now
<@Anton{Politoed}>
pending a star rush nominee
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M23 Favorite Game Mechanic
<BBQ-Turtle>
(Sorry to be late but if people really want one for Star Rush I'd just guess World 3-1 as I can actually remember that being better than some of the other ones. I really don't know though.)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Transformation Caps (Super Mario 64 DS) F.L.U.D.D. (Super Mario Sunshine) Gravity (Super Mario Galaxy) Cappy/Captures (Super Mario Odyssey) Countering/Dodging (Mario & Luigi series) Badges (Paper Mario series) Badges (Mario & Luigi series) Kart Customization (Mario Kart series) Elements (Luigi's Mansion)
Yeah, Rose's suggestions there were all solid and I endorse them wholesale
<@Anton{Politoed}>
vibes :pgp:
<@turb>
i agree, put in vibes
<@turb>
i unironically enjoyed those a lot
<Pitohui>
It's been ages since I played SPP but I don't see a reason to exclude them
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i think they're on a fail award lol
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah
<BBQ-Turtle>
I think they're generally quite popular.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Worst Game Mechanic LOL
<@turb>
too bad
<Smasher>
rip
<Lakituthequick>
15) Vibes (SPP) - 20 - 1.06%
<@turb>
i want to see if people like them like i do
<tpggaming2>
lmao
<@turb>
oh good, most people dont actually hate them
<@Anton{Politoed}>
15) Vibes (SPP) - 20 - 1.06%
<Smasher>
thats pretty low yeah
<@turb>
more reason to put them here
<Pitohui>
Vibes were more bad conceptually than mechanically
<@Anton{Politoed}>
adding vibes
<Smasher>
i otherwise support the other nominations mentioned
<@turb>
i do agree with all of rose's revamp suggestions in the linked post btw
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any other suggestions for this? otherwise I'll compile it into an easy-to-read listing after the meeting
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i got nothing
<Pitohui>
I don't have anything to add to it
<NinjaSquid>
nothing here as well
<@turb>
nothing i can think of
<Smasher>
yeah i agreed with adding the double dash racers and anti gravity and the revamps and then im set
<@_2257>
idk do people like bros attacks
<BBQ-Turtle>
Unless people are desperate for the sports stuff then I think it's a pretty good set.
<@turb>
oh yeah fuck i forgot bros attacks
<@_2257>
personally i think badges in m&l are a super weak nominee
<@turb>
honestly those are probably cooler than the badges
<@turb>
yeah
<NinjaSquid>
oh yeah bros. attack
<NinjaSquid>
those are fun
<Pitohui>
Bros Attacks/Special Attacks in M&L is good
<Smasher>
oh bros attacks
<@turb>
bros items in pit i think
<Smasher>
yeah we can swap out m&l badges for those
<Pitohui>
Curse PiT for giving them a third name
<Smasher>
i honestly didnt see that because my mind defaults to paper mario
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
m&l badges are barely a thing anyway
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm down for cutting them
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so F11 https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2272597
<Lakituthequick>
:fear:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm still feeling Most Shameless Cash-Grab
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i like pitohui's title for it myself
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and would rather go with that
<@turb>
same as anton
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's fitting for a slimy practice
<Lakituthequick>
per
<tpggaming2>
whats pitohui's suggestion
<Lakituthequick>
per pito/perch I mean
<Lakituthequick>
Most Reviled Business Practice
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
Most Reviled Business Practice
<@turb>
im not really feeling most reviled business practice
<@turb>
like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that sounds too formal
<tpggaming2>
reviled is a bit much
<tpggaming2>
i think
<@Anton{Politoed}>
big words kids won't understand
<@turb>
i guess this is still a thing about "professionalizing" the award but i think we should just be up front with most shameless cash-grab
<@turb>
that's basically what it is
<@_2257>
i dont know if i have a problem with the formality but it kind of sounds like
<@turb>
nintendo not having any shame
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i also think the thing about cash grab is
<BBQ-Turtle>
Is reviled a well-enough known word? I've just had to look it up myself.
<@_2257>
you should vote for the one that's most complained about
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it kind of excludes a couple of shitty business practices
<@_2257>
rather than your personal feelings
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I can see that blocky, yeah
<Pitohui>
That's a concern I share too, Perch
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and i'd rather be able to put as much of nintendo's fuckery on there as we can
<@_2257>
shittiest nintendoism
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
cash-grab feels like it limits it to SPECIFICALLY moneymaking ones
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
so for example fangame takedowns are hard to tie into cash grab but they really deserve to be an ominee
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
*a nominee
<tpggaming2>
Worst Business Practice?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
while I want to make a decision I do ultimately feel limited by edo's absence in this discussion
<Lakituthequick>
we discussed that tpg
<@turb>
i think that's the most valid argument against it
<Lakituthequick>
but they are doing excellent business with tihs stiff
<@turb>
the "this excludes other shitty things"
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
most shameless _?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
like rework cashgrab but keep the shameless part
<@turb>
most shameless _ sounds good to me but i think edo was specifically in favor of the cash-grab part
<@turb>
without him being here i cant really speak for that in certain terms though
<tpggaming2>
i guess wait for edo's response to concerns about the use of specifically cash-grab
<tpggaming2>
but like.. arent all business decisions made to make money
<@turb>
i think shameless does kind of carry forward some of the intended tone in and of itself though
<@Anton{Politoed}>
regardless of the name, the nominees can remain the same
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
indirectly yes, tpg, but the /implication/ is different in that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
pitohui's post with rose's follow-up seems to include them all
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
some decisions are very upfront "this is to mine more money"
<@_2257>
most shameless cashgrab, remake, port, enhanced port, reissue, rerelease, or director's cut
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
others are more indirect and would seem out of place
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Mario Kart Tour/Dr. Mario World gacha Limited-time availability of Super Mario 3D All-Stars Nintendo Switch Online subscription Artificial scarcity of NES/SNES mini Restricting availability of old games Requiring YouTube creators to surrender a sizeable cut of their profits Adding advertisements to LEGO Mario voice lines
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Refusing to fix issues causing Joy-Con drift at point of production Underproduction of amiibo Frequent takedowns of fan content
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Reselling older games at the price of modern releases
<@Anton{Politoed}>
immoral is a good word
<Pitohui>
Oh, oh, I do like immoral for this
<BBQ-Turtle>
I did wonder if something about scarce merchandise in general would be worth adding too? I wouldn't know how to phrase it though and how big of a concern it is.
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i vote we change underproduction of amiibo
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
to artifical scarcity of amiibo
<@turb>
we used to have amiibo production problems on f11 or something yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
like
<@turb>
i guess its here too
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
emphaize that nah, this is manufactured to make it worth more
<Pitohui>
That's better, Perch, yeah
<Lakituthequick>
do we actually know if that is articficial
<@turb>
i think it might have specifically been underproduction back in the day though
<@turb>
like, not intentional artificial scarcity
<@turb>
they seem to be very common nowadays
<@turb>
im not sure the nominee is that relevant anymore
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh huh
<Smasher>
immoral good but otherwise not sure what to say here
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
anyhow yeah
<BBQ-Turtle>
I know the Cat Mario and Cat Peach ones have been harder to track down recently.
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
ultimately i don't mind informality in tone that much but i do want it to be clearly a "general shitty business practices" award
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
from the title alone
<@Anton{Politoed}>
agreeable
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and we've discussed in this very meeting the importance of titles that are clear (see: expanding remake)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I just feel striving for perfect formality cleans it up too much
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's a dirty award
<@turb>
yeah i feel the same way as anton
<Pitohui>
I mentioned the formality as a concern that had been thrown around but it's really the full expanse of these business practices that I want to capture
<@Anton{Politoed}>
needs to strike a certain emotion seeing it
<@turb>
it should be clear but i dont mind the title being dirtier as a result
<@turb>
yeah
<@turb>
exactly
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
so it sounds like we're all in agreement on the style to go for
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but i agree it needs to also fit what all the nominees are
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's just a matter of the right words
<Lakituthequick>
I feel reviled is a good word but I see the point of needing a dictionary if you're young or non-English
<@_2257>
im really against reviled
<Pitohui>
"Most Shamelessly Immoral Business Practice?"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
most EVIL nintendo MANIPULATION (not clickbait) [[CLICK TO SEE MORE]]
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
only if the thumbnail is a magikoopa looking shocked
<Lakituthequick>
the fact you type in red makes this better
<@_2257>
aside from the fact that apparently people don't even know what it means... it m eans the wrong thing
<@turb>
most evil nintendo manipulation, remake, port, enhanced port, reissue, rerelease, or director's cut (not clickbait) [[click to see more]]
<Smasher>
i support that especially if click to see more is in the full award name
<Smasher>
oh my god turb
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
if you vote four times you get access to ALL the behind the scenes footage
<Lakituthequick>
revile
<Lakituthequick>
/rɪˈvʌɪl/
<Lakituthequick>
verb
<Lakituthequick>
past tense: reviled; past participle: reviled
<Lakituthequick>
criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner.
<Lakituthequick>
"he was now reviled by the party that he had helped to lead"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so we're past meeting's end now, so what we gotta do between this meeting and next is:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll work on M5-7, that's on me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
clean up the M23 Favorite Mechanic nominees to something that fits the document, otherwise accepting all suggestions presented currently
<Lakituthequick>
(I believe turb already did 5 and 7)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F11 name, nominees
<@Anton{Politoed}>
did he
<@turb>
no there was a change to them
<Lakituthequick>
o
<@turb>
i did the original versions
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh ok yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also, vote in the community award polls
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we will absolutely be beginning those next meeting
<Smasher>
:woman_dancing:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
which I will be here for whether it's Friday or Saturday
<@Anton{Politoed}>
keeping up with the schedule, it would be saturday east coast US time
<Pitohui>
For the record, I'm going to tally people's votes in those on Thursday so we go into the meeting with a clear idea of the nominees in those
<@Anton{Politoed}>
basically same time exactly a week from now
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but if you guys want to flip back to friday instead I'm open to that
<Pitohui>
For the Community Awards there aren't polls for, I have notes
<Pitohui>
Or for Wiki Contributor, I have a Turb
<Smasher>
im good with either day
<@turb>
yes the thread is going well
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'll just send some kind of reminder later next week
<@turb>
im fine with friday or saturday
<Pitohui>
I'd say keep it to Saturday but I don't care much either way
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any other pressing concerns to be addressed before next meeting?
<@turb>
preferably saturday yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
who's bringing the snacks
<@turb>
yeah i do have a pressing concern
<@Anton{Politoed}>
whose votes are we missing for the merch vs lm boss
<@turb>
kill nintendo machine and add tpg
<@turb>
or at minimum add tpg
<@Anton{Politoed}>
edo, 64-bit, 2 more
<BBQ-Turtle>
Saturday would be better for me but I don't really mind either way.
<Pitohui>
Goombuigi
<Lakituthequick>
yeah 64-bit practically doesn't exist
<Smasher>
i agree with replacing the machine with the guy
<@Anton{Politoed}>
goombuigi and I think rose missed it
<Pitohui>
Ah, right, Rose, yes
<Smasher>
i completely forgot machine was even on the committee
<Smasher>
rose abstained
<BBQ-Turtle>
Though Rose did say abstain later.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh ok
<Smasher>
i just didnt get a chance to tally it in because it was after
<Smasher>
but it would be 6-3-2
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok well anyways yeah is anyone opposed to adding tpg to the crew
<Lakituthequick>
not me
<Pitohui>
Not at all
<Lakituthequick>
does he
<@Anton{Politoed}>
core peeps will decide on 64-bit
<Smasher>
absolutely not
<Lakituthequick>
tpggaming2:
<Smasher>
(absolutely not opposed)
<Pitohui>
Bring the beloved miscreant in
<tpggaming2>
yeah gimme the purple stars
<Pitohui>
(TPG you are not a miscreant)
<tpggaming2>
(i totally am)
<@_2257>
yes he is
<@Anton{Politoed}>
tpggaming2: vote on whether you want to swap in Favorite Merchandise or keep Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss
<Lakituthequick>
(what is a miscreant)
<@_2257>
tpg
<Smasher>
BIG CHANGES coming to the awards committee [[CLICK TO SEE MORE]]
<Pitohui>
A troublesome lawbreaker
<Lakituthequick>
ah
<Pitohui>
Which actually is TPG on Princeton I guess
<tpggaming2>
give me the merch
<@_2257>
he stole my shoes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok
<@turb>
:clap:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll ask the other missing votes for theirs, but otherwise 1 more merch and it wins
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if it goes to a stalemate I'll remove all abstains and they'll be forced to decide