The thrilling trilogy reaches its stunning conclusion
<tpggaming3>
could have said thrillogy
<tpggaming3>
dont worry
<tpggaming3>
you'll do it next time
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<NinjaSquid>
Hello!
<Pitohui>
Hello, NS!
<Lakituthequick>
y'ellow
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<NinjaSquid>
Hi there, Goombuigi and Rose!
<Rose>
Yo yo
<Goombuigi>
Hello
<Pitohui>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43844/
<Pitohui>
Everyone vote in C4 if you haven't
<@Anton{Politoed}>
hi i'm here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
hope everyone had a good time voting in all those polls
<Lakituthequick>
I know I did
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<Rose>
Favorite presentation is so hard to vote for
<Pitohui>
Quite a few this year, but it should make things smooth tonight, with any luck
<Lakituthequick>
yeah
<meowth>
one minute late... i have brought shame to my family
<Lakituthequick>
it's that meme with the entire dictionary being yellow from the marker
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so our objective today is fairly simple
<@Anton{Politoed}>
go over the remaining 4 mario/fail awards we need to finalize: M22, M23, M24, and F11
<@Anton{Politoed}>
most decisions are already made, but need to just be like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
announced
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and not cause an uproar
<@Anton{Politoed}>
then we will begin Community Awards, using the polls in the staff board to help large-scale nomination decisions
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so, first up, *M22 Favorite Mario Party Board
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M22 Favorite Mario Party Board (Castaway Bay (MP6), Faire Square (MP6), Kamek's Library (MPDS), Koopa's Tycoon Town (MP8), Magma Mine (MP9), Neon Heights (MP7), Pagoda Peak (MP7), Peach's Birthday Cake (MP), Waluigi's Island (MP3), Western Land (MP2), Shy Guy's Jungle Jam (MP4), King Bob-omb's Powderkeg Mine (SMP), Sweet Dream (MP5),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Shy Guy's Shuffle City (MP:IT), Whimsical Waters (MP10), Shy Guy's Perplex Express (MP8), Horror Land (MP2), Mario's Rainbow Castle (MP))
<@Anton{Politoed}>
nominees were decided on basically by people shouting them out and I added them, but ultimately GBAToad, who had the idea for this award, cross-referenced them all with other reviews around the internet and it seemed mostly in-sync
<@turb>
oh i voted in everything
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the three at the end, Shy Guy's Perplex Express (MP8), Horror Land (MP2), Mario's Rainbow Castle (MP), were from a list of suggestions from him that I personally chose
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
based on a general sense of other reviews online, and what we needed
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are there any concerns about these nominees?
<NinjaSquid>
of those three, Horror Land was fun from what I remember
<Pitohui>
All of the nominees here look good to me
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<NinjaSquid>
but no, I don't have any concerns
<@__2257>
last time i played mario party someone called horror land 'objectively badly designed' or something like that heh heh heh
<Lakituthequick>
Also I fixed two names earlier (Fair => Faire and Waluigi => Waluigi's)
<Goombuigi>
Looks good to me too
<Lakituthequick>
For reference
<@Anton{Politoed}>
gr8888888
<@__2257>
vriska
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I assume by the use of the word "fixed" you mean it was already done thanks to your phenomenal powers of having access to the document
<Lakituthequick>
yes
<Lakituthequick>
that's correct
<Smasher>
im fine with this list
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the proposed definition for this award is very wordy, as you will soon find out
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"-The best playable board in a Mario Party game."
<Lakituthequick>
oof
<Lakituthequick>
so many words
<@turb>
fear
<Rose>
Can we shorten that any more that's just too many words
<Smasher>
can you say that again i didnt catch it the first time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"-board"
<@turb>
well like
<Lakituthequick>
perfect
<@turb>
does it need to specify "playable"
<NinjaSquid>
great
<@turb>
i mean that as a genuine question not a smug thing
<@turb>
i didn't realize therew were ....... unplayable boards
<@__2257>
yeah probably due to help land or whatever
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I threw that word in there simply to try to make the sentence not just the award name but repeated
<@turb>
i guess it doesn't hurt
<@turb>
oh good idea
<Pitohui>
Strictly speaking, there are rules boards
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm glad it has a real justifiable reason as well, thx
<Smasher>
yeah the rules boards and shit probably mean lets say playable
<@Anton{Politoed}>
let's move on to *M23 Favorite Mechanic
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M23 Favorite Game Mechanic (Transformation Caps (Super Mario 64 DS), F.L.U.D.D. (Super Mario Sunshine), Gravity (Super Mario Galaxy), Cappy/Captures (Super Mario Odyssey), Timed command inputs (Mario RPG titles), Badges (Paper Mario series), Badges (Mario & Luigi series), Kart customization (Mario Kart series), Elements (Luigi's Mansion),
Transformation Caps (Super Mario 64 DS): lowercase C, also just referred to as colored caps on the wiki https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_64_DS#Colored_caps
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this set was generated by what rose and pitohui lobbed into the new award idea thread
<Pitohui>
It looks like Timed hits slipped in there twice
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's possible
<Pitohui>
Once as Timed Command Inputs and the other as Timed Hits/Action Commands
<Smasher>
all good options
<Smasher>
but yeah what pit said
<@Anton{Politoed}>
which one is preferred
<Gabumon>
wouldn't the cap system just be an extension of having multiple selectable characters
<@__2257>
i still think badges (m&l) should be nixed in favor of bros attacks
<Pitohui>
I'd go with the latter.
<@turb>
same as 22
<Pitohui>
And 22's suggestion is good
<Rose>
That's a good thought 22
<Smasher>
i agree with 22
<Pitohui>
I don't necessarily think so Edo because it lets you change characters mid-course
<Pitohui>
Instead of always having to go back to the doors
<Rose>
Also re: timed inputs I prefer the latter phrasing
<@__2257>
imo the caps are kind of a band-aid over fundamentally bad game design but maybe other people disagree
<Gabumon>
it feels to me like the same system with a different accessor
<@__2257>
im not opposed to having them on
<Gabumon>
no, that's exactly it, 2257
<Gabumon>
the fundamental system is that there are multiple playable characters
<Gabumon>
and then there are a bunch of ways to access that mechanic
<@__2257>
well i mean... yeah, that IS my opinion, im just saying the public might not think so
<Rose>
I don't have a very strong opinion on the caps at all
<@__2257>
its hard for me to say
<@turb>
i didnt really care that much about the caps in either direction
<@turb>
i just dont really like sm64ds so
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i kind of agree with edo because it rally is just a shortcut to an arbitrary limitation
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rathert han a mechanic that actively changes gameplay
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"Bros. Attacks (Mario & Luigi series)" ?
<Rose>
Yes
<Pitohui>
Yeah
<Smasher>
assuming we swap the m&l badges with bros attacks the caps are like the one thing on this list i dont care much either way about regarding their inclusion
<@__2257>
yaeh
<Smasher>
yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
A not a because that's what the wiki has
<NinjaSquid>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yep
<Goombuigi>
Yes
<Lakituthequick>
I guess having to go to a room in a big castle just to swap characters is annoying
<Pitohui>
Being forced to swap characters is annoying in general
<Lakituthequick>
jury's out on that on
<Lakituthequick>
e
<@turb>
i think we ahouls probably include bros items in the nominee name
<@Anton{Politoed}>
pito commentary from the thread
<@__2257>
i was hoping peoplw would just assume those were the same
<Rose>
If we include Bros items then we have to add Dreamy attacks too, right
I've left these kinds of things off because they feel more like temporary power-ups rather than something permanent once you have them. I guess the 64 DS transformation caps are also impermanent, but, also, they don't run out once you have them. You only lose them by taking damage, whereas these other things run out after a certain amount of time/uses or
<@Anton{Politoed}>
at a certain point in the level."
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
are luiginary attacks close enough to bros to count
<@turb>
i basically consider bros items to be bros attacks but yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i legitimately don't know, i barely played dream team
<Rose>
They are
<Pitohui>
Luiginary Attacks are basically Bros Attacks
<@__2257>
i dunno i onlyp layed 1-3
<@turb>
its more just a thing for specification
<@turb>
also i agree with the pito commentary i think
<Rose>
They're the same thing with extra Luigi's and tilt controls sometimes
<@turb>
idk i actually think mario 64 caps are the worst option of the 3
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also peeps keep in mind that I'm mostly bureaucrat here and don't know what most of these things are lol
<@turb>
at least animal buddies were neat and featured in full levels sometimes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if there's a suggestion for a nominee plz write it out in a full name that I can list it as
<Lakituthequick>
I haven't played either game in at least 7 yrears
<@__2257>
imo a game mechanic in donkey kong country would have to be something like the piggyback move
<@__2257>
which i dont think would do well enough to be worth including
<Smasher>
i like the animal buddies a lot but im nottttt sure they really fit in this
<Gabumon>
my issue with the caps isn't really that they're bad, it's that I feel like we're nominating a singular aspect as opposed to the fundamental mechanic
<Pitohui>
I don't think any of those things Anton just quoted need to be included, and if the 64DS Transformation caps are seen as an extension of multiple characters, it makes sense to remove those
<@__2257>
i guess i dont know what a 'game mechanic' is according to us
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2270159 more in this post
<@__2257>
to me it seems like a lot of these nominees are something that affects the whole design of the game and makes it stand out from other games
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"-The best feature of a game's functions. These mechanics should be specific to a game or game series, and help shape a game or game series' identity."
<@__2257>
but im not sure if thats intentional or not
<Rose>
We can just remove the character caps that's fine with me
<NinjaSquid>
i was thinking the same here 22
<Lakituthequick>
Do the caps define SM64DS
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this also doesn't have to be our definition
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's just the one I currently have
<Lakituthequick>
true
<@__2257>
no, but the presence of 4 characters is probably the main thing that makes it stand out from sm6464
<Smasher>
character swapping is a part of it but i also just played as luigi for 90% of the game
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah, if we were to nominate anything from 64 dS, i'd say the character swapping
<@__2257>
i mean yeah same
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the use of 'help shape' instead of 'primarily shapes' does allow some leeway
<@__2257>
but the 4 characters are on the coverr and stuff
<Smasher>
well yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
15 nominees, I don't care either way
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is there something better we could include instead
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if so, sure, if not, then sure
<@__2257>
anyway i just dont thik the character swapping was good or would do well
<Rose>
I think instead we need to add DK64 character swapping /s
<Smasher>
going to try to think of last second nominees but i dont think i will because my brain isnt big enough
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<Pitohui>
I think I've wrung out all the ideas I've had for this award over the past two weeks
<@__2257>
idk do people like wario being immune to death in wario land 2-3
<@turb>
i dont have an opinion
<Rose>
OH
<Rose>
Thank you 22 that did remind me
<Rose>
I was totally thinking about the Wario transformations earlier
<Pitohui>
Oh!
<Pitohui>
That's a pretty good idea
<@turb>
the transformations are a good plan
<Gabumon>
bold of you to assume that people remember wario land, 2257
<Pitohui>
"Wario Transformations (Wario Land series)
<Smasher>
oh yes those
<@__2257>
well rose does
<Smasher>
id be down to throw them in instead of the caps
<Lakituthequick>
there is enough space for both
<@__2257>
i jsut think the caps were bad
<Rose>
I don't think anybody feels strong about the caps as a nominee
<Smasher>
im meh on the caps as a nominee after reading the points made
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll replace it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
give wario top billing as the first nominee in the list
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
wario land is a good choice
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any other concerns for M23?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
definition is fine, etc.
<Pitohui>
I think it's set
<@__2257>
is fury bowser... possibly something
<@__2257>
i still havnet played that
<tpggaming3>
its the Big Gimmick of that game
<Pitohui>
I did consider that at one point, but I don't know it was particularly enjoyable and I haven't seen anyone saying they really liked it
<@__2257>
alright
<Smasher>
ehhhhh
<tpggaming3>
but its not very standout
<@__2257>
too bad, hes so cute
<tpggaming3>
its just 'wait 10 minutes for him to show up so he can blast a specific rock'
<Pitohui>
It's *there*, sometimes cool, mostly annoying
<Lakituthequick>
amazing, the main thing of the game is not enjoyable
<Smasher>
fury bowser is cool looking but himself is probably the weakest part of the game LOL
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<Lakituthequick>
irony
<Smasher>
all my enjoyment with the mode came from basically anything else
<Pitohui>
Same, Smasher
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok time for the next one
<@Anton{Politoed}>
*M24 Favorite Merchandise
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M24 Favorite Merchandise (Club Nintendo Hanafuda or Mario Hanafuda, Monopoly Gamer or Super Mario Bros. Monopoly, LEGO Super Mario, Super Mario Chess, Super Mario Cereal, Super Mario Characters Figurine (2010 Platinum Elite Status Reward), UNO Super Mario, K'NEX figures, Furuta Chocolate Egg Figurines, San-ei Super Mario plushies, Deluxe Bowser's Castle plays
<@Anton{Politoed}>
et)
<Lakituthequick>
Furuta Chocolate Egg Figurines: lowercase F in figurines
<Lakituthequick>
Side note: Deluxe Bowser's Castle playset doesn't appear to be on the wiki, but it does show up on Google
<Lakituthequick>
interpret the latter point as you will, i just noticed that
<@__2257>
do soundtracks count for this
<Gabumon>
this might be a stupid question
<@__2257>
i wouldnt know how to go about adding one im just curious
<Gabumon>
but do amiibos count for this
<Gabumon>
in some way
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i mean if it's a physical one, then sure!
<NinjaSquid>
same question as edo
<Lakituthequick>
i'd say yes
<Smasher>
i was wondering the same edo
<@turb>
amiibos are a good point
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and that was up for question yeah, I'd say sure
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but in what form
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<Lakituthequick>
just "amiibo" I guess
<@Anton{Politoed}>
all amiibos as a concept, or, individualized
<tpggaming3>
rose was killed??
<Gabumon>
probably as a concept
<Lakituthequick>
probably all
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh that's interesting yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that's not rose's hostname
<Smasher>
oh
<Gabumon>
I assume mario lego also has different sets (?)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
someone actually did kill him yeah
<Pitohui>
All amiibo would be best, I think
<Smasher>
amazing
<Lakituthequick>
you can only use ghost as yourself so
<@Anton{Politoed}>
meeting on pause so I go find him
<Smasher>
anyway yeah all amiibo i would say
<Lakituthequick>
he'd have to have killed himself
<@Anton{Politoed}>
you can use ghost to boot someone off of your name you have registered
<Lakituthequick>
that sounded less morbid in my head
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but yeah I'm fine with adding amiibos
<Lakituthequick>
actually 'Rose' is sorta generic
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<@__2257>
anyway if we're counting amiiboes collectively then i guess soundtrack releases can also go on collectively?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
awkward having a nominee that is just lowercase entirely but it is what it is
unless all of them being released by nintendo are a series together
<@__2257>
no theyre not
<tpggaming3>
i am going to have to go to sleep because my charm and usefulness levels (and awake levels) have been wiped out
<tpggaming3>
i dont think i have any comments for upcoming stuff in this meeting
<@__2257>
if soundtracks cant go on collectively they probably shouldnt at all because this award could be 100% filled with them and then it would just turn into favorite sound design again
<@Anton{Politoed}>
have fun sleeping
<tpggaming3>
except dont forget splitting paper mario in m8
<tpggaming3>
zz
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<Lakituthequick>
yeah M1 pretty much covers the soundtrack already
<Gabumon>
I don't see why they couldn't be put on collectively
<Lakituthequick>
I do see potential in a collective add though
<@__2257>
i dont either really but im just saying if people don't want that then i dont think we should have them
<@__2257>
individually
<Gabumon>
there's actually a subtle difference between soundtracks here and M1
<Gabumon>
the soundtracks here refer to a released product
<Gabumon>
whereas M1 is about sountracks as they appear and are used in games
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_albums
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm not pushing to call them albums
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but should we specific original soundtracks or something like that?
<Smasher>
went to look at the soundtracks and realized i actually have one of these
<@Anton{Politoed}>
specify*
<Smasher>
"Original soundtrack CDs" idk im not good at thinking
<Pitohui>
Original Soundtrack Releases could work as a collective nominee. Edo has a valid point, and it makes more sense to me to put them on collectively than individually
<Smasher>
having them individually probbbbbably doesnt work
<Smasher>
just because of the sheer number of them
<Lakituthequick>
per pito (except lowercase R)
<Smasher>
i think i can go with a group under pito's name after thinking it over
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this award definition is rough btw, seeking improvement
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"-The best physical non-videogame product, goods, collectible, or item available for purchase."
<@__2257>
snw food lol
<Lakituthequick>
man, if they released a vinyl i'd instabuy it
<Lakituthequick>
probably
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any thoughts, feelings, concerns on that definition
<@__2257>
just that it includes food
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh i didn't know what you were saying
<@__2257>
i dont know if its bad or good i just find it funny
<@Anton{Politoed}>
added
<Pitohui>
This is a tough award to clearly define. It's, by necessity, pretty expansive.
<Pitohui>
But I don't think that's a problem, exactly
<@Anton{Politoed}>
'for purchase' might be limiting
<@Anton{Politoed}>
'for purchase or collection' ?
<Lakituthequick>
can food be considered merch really
<Lakituthequick>
it perishes so it's not collectible
<Pitohui>
...at first I was thinking "how would it be limiting" but then, yeah, there's a lot of, like, loyalty rewards
<Pitohui>
"For purchase or collection is good"
<@__2257>
the definition as given includes food
<@__2257>
its a physical product for purchase that isn't a video game
<Smasher>
yep
<Lakituthequick>
that is true
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah the fact that it's /or/ allows food
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
as opposed to and
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if we are happy with this, time to move to the next one
<@__2257>
thats what im saying
<@__2257>
also the cereal is on, although you could argue the box constitutes a non-perishable collectable i guess
<Pitohui>
Doesn't some of the food at SNW come with little collectable items you keep? I thought that's what you were referring to, 22
<@__2257>
maybe it does
<@__2257>
its been a while since iw atched the video
<@__2257>
snw is a whole world of products on its own
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F11 Most Shameless Business Practice (Mario Kart Tour/Dr. Mario World gacha, Limited-time availability of Super Mario 3D All-Stars, Nintendo Switch Online subscription, Artificial scarcity of NES/SNES mini, Restricting availability of old games, Requiring YouTube creators to surrender a sizeable cut of their profits,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Adding advertisements to LEGO Mario voice lines, Refusing to fix issues causing Joy-Con drift at point of production, Underproduction of amiibo, Frequent takedowns of fan content, Reselling older games at the price of modern releases)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I've decided on Most Shameless Business Practice after discussing this with edo at-length the other day
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we feel it's the inevitable compromise
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm fine with most shameless business practice
<Pitohui>
That works.
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
still emphasizes but doesn't feel like it limits the field
<Lakituthequick>
has enough bite
<Gabumon>
so is that a no on most shameless business decision
<Smasher>
works for me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh whoops
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd be fine with business decision too
<Smasher>
also works for me
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i just didn't even know it was an option lol
<@Anton{Politoed}>
must've just copied the wrong one
<Gabumon>
it's something that came up while anton was running the options by me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
definition is also rough
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"-This award recognizes unpopular choices that Nintendo has made as a company affecting the Mario franchise, that, whether they are financially profitable or not, remain arguably immoral, unethical, or anti-fan all in the sake of profit or carelessness."
<@Anton{Politoed}>
very wordy, but can't find a way to satisfactorily shorten it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
this is me being nitpicky but
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think a comma after anti-fan would help
<Smasher>
wordy but gets the point across
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i tried to parse "all in" as part of "anti-" at first
<Lakituthequick>
i don't know if carelessness is the right word to use
<Lakituthequick>
as these things are usually carefully considered
<@Anton{Politoed}>
recklessness
<Gabumon>
I'd say anti-consumer, personally
<Lakituthequick>
while the rest still applies
<Gabumon>
anti-fan sounds kind of immature
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i agree, i just wanted to cover that base of like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
pissing off fans
<@Anton{Politoed}>
all suggested changes applied so far
<@__2257>
i dunno if you have to hedge this much honestly
<Smasher>
anti-consumer feels correct to me
<Gabumon>
also, I think it's "for the sake of"
<Gabumon>
or "in the spirit of"
<@turb>
i think for the sake of sounds better here
<@__2257>
you could just say "immoral, unethical, or anticonsumer decisions made in the name of profit"
<Gabumon>
yeah, thats good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
as the complete definition, or
<Smasher>
agreed with turb
<@__2257>
well i guess you could make it less of a sentence fragment but i just dont think you have to say stuff like "arguably" or "wehther or not"
<@__2257>
people will choose the decisions they think are in fact immoral
<@__2257>
if there are any
<@__2257>
and if not i just dont know what to tell those people
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I added those for the sake of distancing us from editorializing
<@__2257>
i think it's editorialising to have this at all
<@__2257>
but some editorialisations need to be made
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but we are presenting a list of options to select from, not a written decree of what is
<@Anton{Politoed}>
while I do agree that there's room for editorializing, I feel this is appropriate
<@Anton{Politoed}>
though, if no one else does, then it can be changed
<@__2257>
idk you said it was wordy, so im telling you which words i think can be cut
<Gabumon>
I think this award will draw ire no matter how you word things
<@Anton{Politoed}>
what I pasted here is how whittled down I was able to make it lol
<@__2257>
i dont think the hedging really adds anything and it kind of runs counter to the push to phrase the title as 'most shameless' instead of something softer
<Gabumon>
"Decisions largely perceived as immoral, unethical, or anticonsumer, made in the name of profit"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
should we bother saying decisions by nintendo re: mario, or is that fair to be assumed
<@__2257>
re: mario seems implied at least
<@__2257>
you *could* add by nintendo but idk who else would even be a candidate
<Gabumon>
I mean technically the decision to have lego mario spout ads could have been made by lego
<@__2257>
unless next level games is secretly shady
<@Anton{Politoed}>
3rd party companies yeah, so
<Gabumon>
I don't really think it matters though
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I guess I'll leave it open for that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
edo's wording it is
<@Anton{Politoed}>
:clap:
<Gabumon>
we're the mario wiki, so mario should always be assumed
<Gabumon>
unless explicitly stated otherwise
<@Anton{Politoed}>
as for the nominees, are there any questions, concerns, suggestions, or additions?
<Pitohui>
Haven't said a lot while this was being worked out but I support Edo's wording
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there are 11
<Rose_>
All seems well to me
<Pitohui>
Regarding nominees, there's nothing more from me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I don't feel it's NECESSARY to approach 15, but _
<Lakituthequick>
welcome to mariowiki, the following poll is about stupid things sony did recently
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i mean, it took brute force for me to expel smash from awards a few years ago, people were not happy
<Lakituthequick>
poll's okay to me
<Gabumon>
I feel like underproduction of amiibo and artificial scarcity of NES SNES mini could be combinable into one item
<Lakituthequick>
i was happy
<Gabumon>
something like artificial scarcity (NES/SNES mini, certain amiibo)
<@turb>
i like that idea
<Lakituthequick>
was it only certain amiibo?
<@turb>
i think it should be certain amiibo also because like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that might vault it to an obvious winner
<@turb>
i brought this up last meeting but as far as i know the underproduction wasnt actually intentional for a lot of them
<@Anton{Politoed}>
not that I'm opposed to the wording by nature, but it's a consideration
<@turb>
theyre very common nowadays
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I guess we'll see if it happens
<@turb>
that might also make the merge less appealing though
<@turb>
because i'm unsure which ones were truly underproduced on purpose
<@Anton{Politoed}>
combined for now
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any other concerns?
<@__2257>
murdering detractors
<Lakituthequick>
i have no witty jokes so, no, not from me
<Pitohui>
I've got nothing to add here.
<Rose_>
All good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
gr8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
time 4 community awards
<Lakituthequick>
woo
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll let Pitohui take the wheel mostly
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but I will still officiate votes and decisions
<Lakituthequick>
as writeins are mostly not a thing, i'll refrain from posting the last places for these
<Pitohui>
Alright. So we're going to start with C1. Conveniently, that poll in the thread gave us a nice exact 18 highest placing nominees, so the first thing I will do is paste them all in here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
joy
<Pitohui>
My thought is we can use those as a base list and people can raise objections to specific nominees if they have them
C1 - Favorite Active 'Shroom Writer - This award aims to recognize those writers who have written consistently within the last year.
<Smasher>
yeah i needed to know what c1 is but looks ok
<Pitohui>
C1 - Favorite Active 'Shroom Writer - This award aims to recognize those writers who have written consistently within the last year.
<Rose_>
On the one hand, giving Booguette the honor is good, on the other hand, has he written consistently?
<Rose_>
I mean honestly I'm good with him being on there anyway because he's 9 and that would be really cool for him
<Pitohui>
The Community Dossier has a different definition it's used in recent years
<Rose_>
But just as a general thought
<NinjaSquid>
i was wondering about Zelen, because she was an "active writer" during that time period...
<Pitohui>
"This award recognizes the efforts of writers who have regularly contributed sections to The 'Shroom in the past year. Though some writers have extensive histories with The 'Shroom, their submissions within the past year should be the primary consideration for this award."
<@__2257>
he's... 9? 9 years old??
<@turb>
oh yeah wiki contributor award i'll be here for but need to grab a full list for
<@turb>
it will need to be culled down
<NinjaSquid>
9/10 yes
<Pitohui>
Yeah, 22, he had his mother log on and represent him
<Rose_>
Maybe 10 but something young, his mom runs the account he's in
<@__2257>
is that allowed...?
<@__2257>
oh
<@turb>
they suggested like 24 people
<@__2257>
ok
<Lakituthequick>
communications go through his mother yeah
<@turb>
also yeah his mom runs the account so we've let him stay
<Smasher>
nice
<@turb>
good kid
<Pitohui>
In general this Award has run on "people who've written sections in the past year and are in good standing and haven't retired from writing"
<@turb>
also i said i'd be here for contributor award but i might go make dinner so if i'm not here we can bring it up later
<Pitohui>
If we want to remove Booguette, there are exactly three nominees tied in the next highest rank, so we could add one of them to stay at 18 or add all three and go to our expanded cap of 20 from last year
<Pitohui>
Those three are: Alex95, Koops, Magolor04726
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah if booguette ever showed up in person i'd have to kick his ass but
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
hi smom can represent him andi t's okay
<Lakituthequick>
either way Booguettes sections are cute so I'm mostly indifferent
<Lakituthequick>
the third option is using 17
<Lakituthequick>
if you go the delete boo route
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I would prefer to not do an expanded cap of 20
<Pitohui>
Does anyone feel particularly strongly about Booguette's inclusion/exclusion?
<NinjaSquid>
i know Booguette did very nice sections, but that wasn't like on a regular basis, which is what C1 is covering, right?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll leave that for situations where a complete listing of everyone as a potential nominee ends up being just over, not something like this
<Lakituthequick>
exactly how many sections are there
<@__2257>
i wonder if he's the first shroom writer younger than the shroom
<Pitohui>
Two, LTQ
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
god he IS
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's fucking with me now that you pointed it out
<Lakituthequick>
eeehhh
<Lakituthequick>
two is very little for 'consistent'
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
im fine replacing boo and doing a runoff
<Pitohui>
NS, for this award I tend to just include anyone who's written in the past year and in good standing, cast as wide a net as possible
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we also have to consider the polarization that community awards do get
<@Anton{Politoed}>
would we want to bear witness to booguette getting 0-3 votes
<Lakituthequick>
good point
<Pitohui>
That's indeed a good point
<Pitohui>
On that basis, I think it might be best to remove him
<Lakituthequick>
i'm erring on the side of "let's wait one or two years" now
<@turb>
:worry:
<NinjaSquid>
in that case, i'm fine with a swap for either alex/koops/mags
<Pitohui>
Should we do a 1/2/3 vote on which one of those three to swap in?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yes, but if we could have their sections linked or listed first
Don't worry about the 14 I didn't mean to copy that
<Pitohui>
Add: Lord Bowser, Zange, ZelenPixel
<Smasher>
(14)
<@__2257>
what did you do with the first 13 rosrades
<Rose_>
All of his shadows
<Pitohui>
Those three have stopped writing (LB, Zange) or have officially finished their section without picking up a new one (Zelen)
<@turb>
bbl
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I have no arguments against any of this
<Pitohui>
There's also Shy Guy on Wheels to consider adding to bring it to 18, but he ultimately only ever ended up sending in one section, so I'm ___ on him
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rubber stamp
<Lakituthequick>
hold on one second re: c1
<Lakituthequick>
for some reason i come to 19 now
<Rose_>
No need for SGoW I'd say
<Lakituthequick>
alex wasn't added to the list yet, is that correcy
<Smasher>
he wasnt no
<Pitohui>
Alex wasn't selected to be added to C1
<Lakituthequick>
without him i get to 18
<Pitohui>
So then we're good on C1 and C2?
<NinjaSquid>
yes
<Lakituthequick>
i'll review c1 after the meeting
<Lakituthequick>
for c2 i don't see odd things in the three seconds i looked at it now
<Smasher>
whats the full c2 list again just out of curiosity
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Favorite Retired 'Shroom Writer (Mr. Edo, Super Mario Bros., Toadbert101, Andymii, Shokora, Tucayo, YKMR3000, Luigi 64DD, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeek, Parakoopa144, Lord Bowser, Zange, ZelenPixel)
<Smasher>
thank
<Smasher>
forgot i was on here lol
<Smasher>
eventually ill try to write again
<Smasher>
just need to make the time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
c3 time
<Pitohui>
"C3. Favorite Artist
<Pitohui>
This award recognizes some of the many artists in this community, each with unique talents, styles, and media."
<Pitohui>
We also magically ended up with 18 here after running the thread poll so I'm going to paste those in and, again, object if you have an objection
<Pitohui>
Fawfulthegreat64,, Lakituthequick, Anton, The Pyro Guy, BBQ Turtle, GBAToad, Zange, ZelenPixel, Waluigi Time, Baby Luigi, winstein, Toadbert101, Turboo, Koopa con Carne, SMG2Daisy, Magolor04726, Snack, Alex95
<@Anton{Politoed}>
:clap:
<Smasher>
:tada:
<Pitohui>
(Do note that this excludes Edo, per his post in the thread - https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43841/post-2272755)
<Pitohui>
Otherwise it would have been 19
<@Anton{Politoed}>
a note for those coming in to the logs with no access to the staff board, edo has opted out of this award, indicating interest in prioritizing people who are active in the community and sharing art in public branches i.e. shroom
<Lakituthequick>
let's see the diffs
<Pitohui>
Sorry I don't have the diffs already prepared for the tallied results, LTQ
<Lakituthequick>
added: alex, baby luigi, koopa con carne, snack, waluigi time, winstein
<Lakituthequick>
removed: doc, koops, moldomré, edo, rose
<@Anton{Politoed}>
c 444444444444444444444444444444444
<Lakituthequick>
boom
<Pitohui>
C4. Favorite 2020 Awards Presentation
<Pitohui>
This award recognizes the creativity, humor, and work put into the presentations revealed at the 2020 Awards ceremony.
<Pitohui>
Okay, I tallied this during the meeting earlier
<Pitohui>
We've ended up with the dreaded 19
<Lakituthequick>
did we
<Pitohui>
I'll post them and then point out the bottom two if we want to cut one of them
<Lakituthequick>
by my view we go from 14th to 19th
<Smasher>
oh no
<Pitohui>
C6 - Favorite 'Shroom Team - Lakituthequick, C8 - Best 'Shroom Section Design - MrConcreteDonkey
<Pitohui>
, M5 - Favorite DK Game - Epic Nitwit, M17 - Favorite Mario RPG - Fawfulthegreat64, M18 - Favorite Mario Party Game - MrConcreteDonkey, M23 - Favorite Capture - Hearts
<Pitohui>
M28 - Favorite Game Setting - BBQ Turtle
<Pitohui>
C2 - Favorite Retired 'Shroom Writer - GBAToad
<Pitohui>
M1 - Best Sound Design - The Pyro Guy
<Pitohui>
M10 - Favorite Lyrical Song - Zange & Roserade
<Pitohui>
M4 - Favorite Mario Kart Course - Eleven
<Pitohui>
M19 - Favorite Villain - Anton
<Pitohui>
M29 - Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) - Gabumon
TPG has made a good alternative suggestion, and it looks like Core Staff is under consideration for a cut
<Pitohui>
Personally, I think TPG has a solid suggestion, and I'm down for swapping it in here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
last time we had a similar award was U7 Favorite Community Event in 2015 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ZwYpnz5khaQGPM7UFzDVblQ1qgzqSUoeatzKoo_5jY/edit#gid=862096521
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'd say it's worth throwing a bone to community activity at the sacrifice of what's ultimately a self-indulgent redundant award
<Pitohui>
I'll have to defer to Anton on how exactly he wants to handle making the swap and ironing out the proposed Award with any other additions folks might have (though TPG gave it a workable base already)
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
the new award idea does seem solid, if but just a little tinkering of nominees and names
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so the decision to be made is which award to remove
<Rose_>
I agree with Anton
<Smasher>
i'm down with this swap myself
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and to explain "redundant", the core staff award is based on criteria that C10 is also based on
<Pitohui>
Originally I voiced support for a C6 swap over C7, but after considering the cases made, I think it makes sense to swap it with C7
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's just simply more specific to the shroom
<@Anton{Politoed}>
likely a holdover from the user awards and shroom awards merger
<NinjaSquid>
i personally prefer to swap C7 myself
<Smasher>
id rather swap c7 yeah
<Smasher>
because of the redundancy
<@turb>
sry i took a while to get my ass back here
<@turb>
dinner was good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm glad
<@turb>
I'm fine with switching out c7
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm currently covering my bed with fried onion bits
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh shit it's 10
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok
<@turb>
it's 7 pm here yeah so we can uhh
<@turb>
look at wiki contrib next week
<@turb>
first thing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so we're swapping out c7 gr8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
you can lob all of the nominees though
<@turb>
ok let me go grab them
<@__2257>
so is awards a community event
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and we can mull over which ones to obliterate
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yes, and it was considered as such in the former version of this award U7
<Lakituthequick>
(btw i solved C1, i just got confused with the whole alex/koops thing)
<Pitohui>
"you can lob all of the nominees though" - For the new C7, you mean?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think it won
<@Anton{Politoed}>
c5
<Pitohui>
Oh you were talking to Turb
<Pitohui>
Got it
<@turb>
god why can't pastebin just function normally
<Pitohui>
Pastebin has become garbage
<Pitohui>
Bless LTQ for saving the community's old pastes
<Lakituthequick>
:sledgeWink:
<@turb>
fuck it just making a big paste in here now that it's compiled
<@turb>
Alex95, Ray Trace, BBQ Turtle, Doc von Schmeltwick, Glowsquid, LuigiMaster123, Mario jc, Mister Wu, Koopa Con Carne, TheFlameChomp, LinkTheLefty, Doomhiker, The Mansion, Scrooge200, Waluigi Time, Infinite8, MarioComix, Keyblade Master, Wynn Liaw, 0blivion, RHG1951, Nintendo101, Pasta937, SuperLuigiDude
sorry i forgot to have the removals all on one line
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i 4giv you
<@turb>
so yeah that's 24 people
<@turb>
flame chomp brought that up and i will also bring that up
<@turb>
in case we end up needing to axe people
<@turb>
i guess it's a bit weird to do on this award but limits are limits
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i would like to chop people
<@turb>
well "end up"
<@turb>
more like 99% confirmed to do and i want to too
<@Anton{Politoed}>
idk if there's a way to make a thread for this and post up the reasons each of these peeps were suggested?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that way we can weigh it
<Pitohui>
I also want to chop people, though I don't know who.
<@turb>
that is something i will drop in the thread right now so it can be done by next week
<@turb>
they had reasons alongside their nominations
<Pitohui>
Oh, wonderful
<@turb>
i can grab those and put them in an awards board thread
<@Anton{Politoed}>
or if that work can be done by the people who know better, even better
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that way I don't need to flip tarot cards to decide
<@turb>
since we're running over, or I can ask that people make more "complete" reasons for each new person
<@turb>
what would you say the limit should be for this
<@Anton{Politoed}>
18
<@turb>
extended cap of 20 or just 18
<@turb>
ok
<@__2257>
what is the difference between the soft cap, the hard cap, and the extended cap
<@__2257>
does anybody know
<Pitohui>
It used to be based on PollDaddy's limits
<Pitohui>
The hard cap, at least
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
polldaddy used to only allow up to 18
<Pitohui>
Crowdsignal doesn't have that same limit but it sucks anyways!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
soft cap of 15 was just a like, warning, approaching too many
<@Anton{Politoed}>
20 was because we didn't realize we were at 20
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and the poll allowed it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
theoretically we could have 50
<Lakituthequick>
:worry:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but I would prefer less
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and ESPECIALLY with community awards and its polarization
<Pitohui>
"[8:09:04 PM] <@Anton{Politoed}> with our newfound ability to go over 18, I feel that community awards are something we can do that for
<Pitohui>
[8:09:11 PM] <@Anton{Politoed}> but I don't want to push it too far
<Pitohui>
[8:09:35 PM] <@turb> i think 20 isn't too far ahead
<Pitohui>
[8:09:45 PM] <+Smasher> i can live with 20
<Pitohui>
[8:09:47 PM] <@turb> imo getting to like 23-25 nominees for something would be kinda _
<Pitohui>
[8:09:47 PM] <+Rose> I'm content with adding all proposed additions
<Pitohui>
[8:10:09 PM] <Pitohui> If we're going over 18, I think 20's a fine number, so we can add them wholesale"
<Pitohui>
https://smw.ltquick.nl/irclogs/awards20meeting6
<Pitohui>
Oh, Anton beat me to it but this is where 20 came from last year
<@__2257>
personally ive always felt like even 15 is a lot (this is not a request to remove anything from any award)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I agree
<@Anton{Politoed}>
with both ends of the sentiment
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but that being said
<@Anton{Politoed}>
c5 will get worked on
<@Anton{Politoed}>
next meeting we'll likely finish community awards
<@Anton{Politoed}>
after that uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not much!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
new c7 will get worked on
<@Anton{Politoed}>
then full review
<Pitohui>
I've got C8, C9, and C10 ready to go for next meeting (and I also realized we didn't discuss a couple straggler sections for C1 so we might circle back to that next meeting briefly, too)