2020-04-26 02:00:42	@Anton{Politoed}	hi guys it's time for meeting time
2020-04-26 02:00:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	hello
2020-04-26 02:01:08	+Rose	Yay meeting 👏
2020-04-26 02:01:09	@Lakituthequick	g'day
2020-04-26 02:01:31	Power_Flotzo	Hey all!
2020-04-26 02:01:31	@Anton{Politoed}	today's agenda is fairly simple, being continuing from M22 and likely getting into Fail Awards today
2020-04-26 02:01:49	Hooded_Pitohui	Hello, hello! Mariofan's going to be slightly late, I was asked to relate.
2020-04-26 02:02:31	@Anton{Politoed}	unless anyone has anything pressing to bring up right now, I'll begin momentarily
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2020-04-26 02:03:10	+Rose	Everybody vote Digi-Boy, that's all
2020-04-26 02:03:46	@Anton{Politoed}	alrighty so
2020-04-26 02:03:49	@Anton{Politoed}	M22 Favorite Battle Course (Battle Course 1 (SNES), Skyscraper, Block Fort (N64), Pipe Plaza, Luigi's Mansion, Nintendo DS, Twilight House, Delfino Pier, Funky Stadium, Honeybee Hive, Battle Stadium, Dragon Palace, Lunar Colony, Urchin Underpass, Wuhu Town)
2020-04-26 02:04:02	@Lakituthequick	14) Lava Bubble - 22 - 1.69%
2020-04-26 02:04:02	@Lakituthequick	15) Parabones/Paragoomba - 16 - 1.23%
2020-04-26 02:04:02	@Lakituthequick	16) Lakitu - 13 - 1.00%
2020-04-26 02:04:02	@Lakituthequick	17) O. Bullet Bill - 4 - 0.31%
2020-04-26 02:04:02	@Lakituthequick	17) O. Tree - 4 - 0.31%
2020-04-26 02:04:02	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Meat - 2 - 0.15%
2020-04-26 02:04:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	ltq that's the wrong set
2020-04-26 02:04:11	@Lakituthequick	w
2020-04-26 02:04:12	+Rose	Wrong one
2020-04-26 02:04:24	@Lakituthequick	We already cover M22 I thought hang on
2020-04-26 02:04:32	@Lakituthequick	13) Twilight House - 40 - 3.13%
2020-04-26 02:04:32	@Lakituthequick	14) Battle Stadium - 23 - 1.80%
2020-04-26 02:04:32	@Lakituthequick	15) Honeybee Hive - 21 - 1.64%
2020-04-26 02:04:32	@Lakituthequick	16) O. Block Plaza (Wii) - 9 - 0.70%
2020-04-26 02:04:32	@Lakituthequick	17) O. Nintendo GameCube - 8 - 0.63%
2020-04-26 02:04:32	@Lakituthequick	18) O. Double Deck - 4 - 0.31%
2020-04-26 02:05:08	@Lakituthequick	we didn't, i'm imagining things sorry
2020-04-26 02:05:11	+Rose	I don't feel like this one needs a change
2020-04-26 02:05:11	@Anton{Politoed}	oh yeah i guess we did, and everyone decided do nothing
2020-04-26 02:05:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah
2020-04-26 02:05:31	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't see a need for a change here
2020-04-26 02:05:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	nothing solid enough to add, imo, and tour has no battle courses
2020-04-26 02:05:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	so skip
2020-04-26 02:05:38	Zange	this one's fine as is
2020-04-26 02:05:43	@Lakituthequick	yes we did indeed, its just still yellow
2020-04-26 02:05:53	@Anton{Politoed}	anyways
2020-04-26 02:05:55	@Anton{Politoed}	M23 Favorite Capture (Pokio, Tropical Wiggler, Bowser, Gushen, T-Rex, Chargin' Chuck, Glydon, Sherm, Uproot, Goomba, Frog, Yoshi, Lakitu, Parabones/Paragoomba, Hammer Bro/Fire Bro, Lava Bubble)
2020-04-26 02:06:21	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm not feeling there's any strong pull to change anything
2020-04-26 02:06:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	let me check something real quick
2020-04-26 02:06:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	okay
2020-04-26 02:06:57	+Rose	Clearly we need to change this one to "Favorite Cosmetic from Mario Kart Tour" /s
2020-04-26 02:07:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think the odyssey awards would probably make for good cuts next year but
2020-04-26 02:07:39	Hooded_Pitohui	It can go for another year, I think, and things have changed enough in the top three at least to keep it interesting thus far (by which I think only third changed)
2020-04-26 02:07:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think they can have one more good year
2020-04-26 02:07:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah
2020-04-26 02:07:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	so i'm fine leaving as-is and seriously considering cutting for 2021
2020-04-26 02:07:57	Hooded_Pitohui	But, yeah, it would be good to look at changing next year, but one more is fine
2020-04-26 02:08:56	@Anton{Politoed}	probably likewise with M24
2020-04-26 02:08:58	@Anton{Politoed}	M24 Favorite Costume (Skeleton, Mario 64, Sunshine, Knight, Boxer Shorts, Bowser's Wedding Suit, Samurai, Bridal, Waluigi, Mario Wedding Suit, Space, Tostarena set, Cowboy, Musician, Classic, Santa, Zombie, 8-Bit)
2020-04-26 02:09:01	@Lakituthequick	16) Tostarena set - 19 - 1.38%
2020-04-26 02:09:01	@Lakituthequick	17) Space - 18 - 1.31%
2020-04-26 02:09:01	@Lakituthequick	18) Santa - 10 - 0.73%
2020-04-26 02:09:01	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Satellaview - 8 - 0.58%
2020-04-26 02:09:01	@Lakituthequick	20) O. Luigi - 7 - 0.51%
2020-04-26 02:09:01	@Lakituthequick	21) O. Clown - 6 - 0.44%
2020-04-26 02:09:43	+Rose	I'd say keep as is
2020-04-26 02:09:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	swap satellaview with santa imo
2020-04-26 02:09:45	@Lakituthequick	could swap santa and satella but its not overwhelming
2020-04-26 02:09:49	+Rose	Or that
2020-04-26 02:09:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	they're basically next to each other
2020-04-26 02:10:09	Zange	it could go either way imo
2020-04-26 02:10:22	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Replace "Santa" with "Satellaview" in M24? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 02:10:22	@Anton{Politoed}	y
2020-04-26 02:10:26	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 02:10:27	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 02:10:27	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 02:10:29	Zange	y
2020-04-26 02:10:34	Power_Flotzo	n
2020-04-26 02:11:01	+Rose	Oh no we don't have Smasher
2020-04-26 02:11:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 02:11:25	@Anton{Politoed}	 6-1-0
2020-04-26 02:11:30	Power_Flotzo	:RubyCry:
2020-04-26 02:12:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	we all have that moment
2020-04-26 02:12:13	@Anton{Politoed}	I appreciate that these are two unique awards that represent a game that has shaken up what was otherwise a dry and stale franchise
2020-04-26 02:12:31	Power_Flotzo	same
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2020-04-26 02:12:55	@Anton{Politoed}	but I do agree that they are beginning to age, and with no new content or updates the last year+ and no sign of it being a sub-series, I don't see it lasting much longer barring the absence of any better ideas
2020-04-26 02:13:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	pretty much
2020-04-26 02:13:08	+Smasher	sorry for being late ive had a weird couple of days
2020-04-26 02:13:09	+Smasher	what award are we on
2020-04-26 02:13:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	m24
2020-04-26 02:13:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	but yeah, that's why i think next year it'll be time to cut
2020-04-26 02:13:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	but not yet
2020-04-26 02:13:43	@Anton{Politoed}	M25 Favorite 2D Mario Level (World 1-1 (SMB), Donut Plains 1 (SMW), Forest of Illusion 3 (SMW), World 1-2 (SMB), World 2-Pyramid (SMB3), Donut Secret House (SMW), Painted Swampland (NSMBU), Front Door (SMW), World 8-7 (NSMBW), World 4-1 (SMB3), Yoshi's Island 2 (SMW), World 5-3 (SMB3), World 2-3 (NSMB), World 1-1 (NSMB), World 8-4 (SMB))
2020-04-26 02:13:47	@Lakituthequick	13) World 8-4 (SMB) - 21 - 1.87%
2020-04-26 02:13:47	@Lakituthequick	14) World 2-Pyramid (SMB3) - 20 - 1.78%
2020-04-26 02:13:47	@Lakituthequick	15) World 1-2 (SMB) - 18 - 1.60%
2020-04-26 02:13:47	@Lakituthequick	16) O. World 8-Bowser's Castle (NSMB) - 7 - 0.62%
2020-04-26 02:13:47	@Lakituthequick	17) O. Chocolate Island 2 (SMW) - 3 - 0.27%
2020-04-26 02:13:47	@Lakituthequick	17) O. World 7-A (NSMB) - 3 - 0.27%
2020-04-26 02:13:56	+Smasher	oh thats costume
2020-04-26 02:13:56	@Lakituthequick	eh
2020-04-26 02:14:02	+Smasher	yeah i agree it can stay one more year
2020-04-26 02:14:13	+Smasher	i don't feel super strongly about this one
2020-04-26 02:14:19	@Anton{Politoed}	this is an award that I think would benefit from crowdsignal's potential to include links in the nominees
2020-04-26 02:14:25	@Anton{Politoed}	something I need to look into
2020-04-26 02:14:36	@Lakituthequick	does it do links now
2020-04-26 02:14:37	@Lakituthequick	neat
2020-04-26 02:15:17	@Anton{Politoed}	I saw it as an option late last year when I was doing polls for other stuff but didn't exactly look into it yet as something viable
2020-04-26 02:15:33	+Smasher	links might be good
2020-04-26 02:15:48	Honoka_Chaosaka	i would say links would help
2020-04-26 02:15:50	@Anton{Politoed}	you can include images
2020-04-26 02:16:00	@Anton{Politoed}	but that would totally mess up the structure of the poll page
2020-04-26 02:16:35	+Smasher	otherwise unless someone really wants to swap a bottomfeeder with 8-bowsers castle or something i dont really feel the need to do anything here
2020-04-26 02:16:36	@Lakituthequick	:luigi: Luigi
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2020-04-26 02:16:49	Zange	links would be pretty helpful (especially if theres people like me that arent familiar with a good portion of these ach)
2020-04-26 02:16:58	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't feel like the write-ins garner enough support for me to consider a change, though I do like the talk of links
2020-04-26 02:17:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	hi mfan
2020-04-26 02:17:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	we're on 2d level
2020-04-26 02:17:09	Mariofan168	hi sorry traffic was a bitch what's the dis-
2020-04-26 02:17:10	Mariofan168	ah
2020-04-26 02:17:24	@Lakituthequick	it's why I add links to everything in anniversary announcements
2020-04-26 02:17:31	@Lakituthequick	please read aa
2020-04-26 02:17:38	+Smasher	ok
2020-04-26 02:17:45	Hooded_Pitohui	Please do read AA, it's solid
2020-04-26 02:17:57	Zange	yes please read aa (and the rest of pp while youre at it)
2020-04-26 02:18:06	+Rose	Insert funny quotable message here
2020-04-26 02:18:07	@Lakituthequick	as for m25, i don't have anything right now
2020-04-26 02:18:12	Mariofan168	would story mode levels from the mario makers qualify
2020-04-26 02:18:22	+Rose	Huh
2020-04-26 02:18:26	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah i'm not seeing that option anymore
2020-04-26 02:18:28	Mariofan168	as they're the only levels in those games made straight from nintendo
2020-04-26 02:18:33	@Anton{Politoed}	just an option to include media, such as images or audio
2020-04-26 02:18:35	Hooded_Pitohui	I should think so.
2020-04-26 02:18:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	ouc
2020-04-26 02:18:44	@Anton{Politoed}	but that's also something to look into
2020-04-26 02:18:44	Zange	rip
2020-04-26 02:19:06	Mariofan168	i wouldn't know, i haven't played either of them
2020-04-26 02:19:18	+Smasher	sad
2020-04-26 02:19:29	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't think there's story mode levels in the first, but there's plenty in the second
2020-04-26 02:19:37	+Smasher	i guess the story mode levels in 2 would count
2020-04-26 02:19:49	+Smasher	and probably the premade levels in 1 too for that matter
2020-04-26 02:19:49	+Rose	I don't know if any of them are particularly popular though
2020-04-26 02:19:52	+Smasher	but
2020-04-26 02:19:54	+Smasher	yeah
2020-04-26 02:20:04	+Smasher	i don't really know if any of them would do super well
2020-04-26 02:20:06	@Anton{Politoed}	mm2 qualifies as a side-scroller, is 2d, and a mario game
2020-04-26 02:20:11	Mariofan168	tbf do *any* of the 2d level nominees count as popular
2020-04-26 02:20:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	thhat sounds like it counts
2020-04-26 02:20:22	@Anton{Politoed}	fuck dude there's like 150 of them
2020-04-26 02:20:28	+Smasher	:fuck:
2020-04-26 02:20:36	Mariofan168	ah
2020-04-26 02:20:53	Mariofan168	again i haven't played mario maker 2, was just spitballing for some possible variety
2020-04-26 02:20:58	+Smasher	i don't feel strongly about adding any because idk how many of them would be successful
2020-04-26 02:21:01	@Lakituthequick	well Mariofan168 we wouldn't have the award otherwise
2020-04-26 02:21:16	+Smasher	ill likely abstain if we vote on adding some
2020-04-26 02:21:24	@Anton{Politoed}	it's something to look into and needs more research
2020-04-26 02:21:29	+Rose	Mfw I thought I had a clever thought and then I remembered that Favorite Mario Game exists
2020-04-26 02:21:42	+Smasher	i beat every level from both mms and barely remember any of them lol
2020-04-26 02:21:46	Zange	if any of them do well in write ins we can just add them next year if we dont add any this year
2020-04-26 02:21:57	Hooded_Pitohui	Yeah, I played every one of them and I remember them... hazily, at best
2020-04-26 02:21:59	@Lakituthequick	add user levels to this
2020-04-26 02:22:01	@Lakituthequick	(don't)
2020-04-26 02:22:03	@Anton{Politoed}	we can bench this one until next meeting so we can crawl through let's plays and other stuff to see what pans out as well-liked levels
2020-04-26 02:22:12	@Anton{Politoed}	and then bring it back up
2020-04-26 02:22:17	+Rose	My random thought was "what if it was a vote for Favorite Set of 2D Levels" and then put each 2D Mario
2020-04-26 02:22:25	+Rose	But that's basically just stepping into Favorite Game so
2020-04-26 02:22:35	+Smasher	yeah that's just favorite game, basically
2020-04-26 02:22:43	Mariofan168	honestly the game's not even that old and the offline levels aren't even the defining aspect of that game
2020-04-26 02:22:51	Mariofan168	i'm not leaning for this strongly
2020-04-26 02:23:02	Mariofan168	i say even too much
2020-04-26 02:23:42	Hooded_Pitohui	I'm not leaning for it, but I still think it would be worth looking into and bringing back up, give folks a chance to spot any standouts before fully shelving it
2020-04-26 02:23:50	+Smasher	anyway im ok with benching it for now
2020-04-26 02:24:13	+Smasher	not really interested in adding any but im good with giving time for other people to think about nominees
2020-04-26 02:24:32	@Anton{Politoed}	it's worth giving it a chance
2020-04-26 02:24:33	+Smasher	not something we can feasibly do here
2020-04-26 02:24:40	+Smasher	gonna need time
2020-04-26 02:24:48	@Anton{Politoed}	if we skim over too much then I could just do the awards by myself every year and post the same things every time
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2020-04-26 02:25:13	@Anton{Politoed}	M26 Favorite 3D Mario Level (Toy Time Galaxy (SMG), Good Egg Galaxy (SMG), Gusty Garden Galaxy (SMG), Whomp's Fortress/Throwback Galaxy (SM64/SMG2), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Cosmic Cove Galaxy (SMG2), Bob-omb Battlefield (SM64), Tick Tock Clock (SM64), Pinna Park (SMS), Sirena Beach (SMS), Delfino Plaza/Airstrip (SMS), Mount Must Dash (SM3DW),
2020-04-26 02:25:15	@Anton{Politoed}	The Great Tower of Bowser Land (SM3DW), Champion's Road (SM3DW), Metro Kingdom (SMO), Bowser's Kingdom (SMO), Wooded Kingdom (SMO), Sand Kingdom (SMO))
2020-04-26 02:25:18	@Lakituthequick	16) Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2) - 31 - 2.36%
2020-04-26 02:25:18	@Lakituthequick	17) Cosmic Cove Galaxy (SMG2) - 30 - 2.28%
2020-04-26 02:25:18	@Lakituthequick	17) Pinna Park (SMS) - 30 - 2.28%
2020-04-26 02:25:18	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Freezeflame Galaxy (SMG) - 8 - 0.61%
2020-04-26 02:25:18	@Lakituthequick	20) O. Unforgettable Luncheon Kingdom (SMO) - 4 - 0.30%
2020-04-26 02:25:18	@Lakituthequick	20) O. Melty Molten Galaxy (SMG) - 4 - 0.30%
2020-04-26 02:25:19	@Lakituthequick	20) O. Wet-Dry World (SM64) - 4 - 0.30%
2020-04-26 02:25:40	+Smasher	Unforgettable Luncheon Kingdom
2020-04-26 02:25:42	@Anton{Politoed}	how did "Unforgettable" get in there
2020-04-26 02:25:42	+Rose	20 is good
2020-04-26 02:25:53	@Anton{Politoed}	probably from a botched merge that got overlooked
2020-04-26 02:25:54	@Lakituthequick	it's joke by me don't mind it
2020-04-26 02:25:54	Zange	hehehe
2020-04-26 02:25:57	@Lakituthequick	results are correct
2020-04-26 02:26:02	+Smasher	thanks ltq
2020-04-26 02:26:09	@Anton{Politoed}	fuck luncheon kingdom
2020-04-26 02:26:17	+Rose	It was truly unforgettable
2020-04-26 02:26:17	Mariofan168	unchanged imo
2020-04-26 02:26:19	@Anton{Politoed}	shitty ass shit place
2020-04-26 02:26:29	+Smasher	i think this one is good as is
2020-04-26 02:26:32	@Anton{Politoed}	almost ruined the entire game for me
2020-04-26 02:26:38	@Anton{Politoed}	I can't accept that people like it
2020-04-26 02:26:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	ah
2020-04-26 02:26:40	@Anton{Politoed}	they just can't
2020-04-26 02:26:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	steamed kingdoms
2020-04-26 02:26:45	Zange	yeah we can leave this one as is
2020-04-26 02:27:03	+Smasher	the difference between pinna park/cosmic cove and freezeflame isnt close enough for me to advocate for a swap out
2020-04-26 02:27:10	@Anton{Politoed}	why is 95% of the entire world just a bunch of hot pink goop
2020-04-26 02:27:19	@Anton{Politoed}	only half a street is food
2020-04-26 02:27:29	@Anton{Politoed}	and the environmental food aspects just look half-rendered
2020-04-26 02:27:34	@Anton{Politoed}	it just doesn't look good
2020-04-26 02:27:48	@Anton{Politoed}	it's a drop of inspiration that just never got fleshed out
2020-04-26 02:27:51	Hooded_Pitohui	Bu-bu-but, Anton! You can't just have a 3D platformer without a lava world! No, obviously it was more important to go with the cliche
2020-04-26 02:27:58	@Anton{Politoed}	and they decided to make a significant portion of the time playing the game spent there
2020-04-26 02:28:05	@Anton{Politoed}	and gave it a disgusting mini boss
2020-04-26 02:28:09	@Anton{Politoed}	fuck luncheon kingdom
2020-04-26 02:28:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	anyhow, yeah, skip
2020-04-26 02:28:18	Zange	this is great popcorn material i love this rant
2020-04-26 02:28:19	@Anton{Politoed}	anyways I'm find with leaving it
2020-04-26 02:28:22	Mariofan168	~~look at all those taxpayer dollars being spent on anton's passionate luncheon kingdom rant~~
2020-04-26 02:28:29	Hooded_Pitohui	Yeah, I have no changes
2020-04-26 02:28:31	@Anton{Politoed}	give me money
2020-04-26 02:28:35	+Smasher	:clintHype:
2020-04-26 02:28:48	@Anton{Politoed}	an entire food based world all in 3d and fully explorable
2020-04-26 02:28:51	@Anton{Politoed}	and it's dumb as fuck
2020-04-26 02:29:19	@Anton{Politoed}	not even just a food world
2020-04-26 02:29:26	@Anton{Politoed}	a french-based food world
2020-04-26 02:29:31	@Anton{Politoed}	it's what I would've wanted
2020-04-26 02:29:33	@Anton{Politoed}	but it sucks
2020-04-26 02:29:43	@Anton{Politoed}	M26 Favorite Boss Battle (Phantamanta (SMS), Brobot (SPM), Rawk Hawk (PM:TTYD), Bowser in the Sky (SM64), Kaptain K. Rool 1 and 2 (DKC2), Super Dimentio (SPM), Elder Princess Shroob (M&L:PiT), Megaleg (SMG), General Guy (PM), Kingfin (SMG), Popple and Rookie (M&L:SS), Dark Bowser (M&L:BIS), Bowser/Meowser (SM3DW), Bowser (SMG), Knucklotec (SMO),
2020-04-26 02:29:43	@Anton{Politoed}	Torkdrift (SMO), Mechawiggler (SMO), Bowser (SMO))
2020-04-26 02:29:53	@Lakituthequick	16) Kingfin (SMG) - 27 - 2.04%
2020-04-26 02:29:53	@Lakituthequick	17) Knucklotec (SMO) - 14 - 1.06%
2020-04-26 02:29:53	@Lakituthequick	18) Torkdrift (SMO) - 13 - 0.98%
2020-04-26 02:29:53	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Shadow Queen (PM:TTYD) - 10 - 0.76%
2020-04-26 02:29:53	@Lakituthequick	20) O. Dreamy Bowser (M&L:DT) - 6 - 0.45%
2020-04-26 02:29:53	@Lakituthequick	21) O. Bowser (NSMBW) - 5 - 0.38%
2020-04-26 02:29:53	@Lakituthequick	21) O. Bowser (SMW) - 5 - 0.38%
2020-04-26 02:29:58	@Lakituthequick	(M27)
2020-04-26 02:30:14	+Rose	Did anything exciting happen in LM3
2020-04-26 02:30:18	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah m27
2020-04-26 02:30:35	@Lakituthequick	it has king boo i think
2020-04-26 02:30:38	Zange	could probably swap torkdrift and shadow queen if we're not adding any lm3
2020-04-26 02:30:39	Hooded_Pitohui	I like Wolfgang
2020-04-26 02:30:42	+Smasher	3 votes between torkdrift and shadow queen
2020-04-26 02:30:45	Hooded_Pitohui	I mean Wolfgeist
2020-04-26 02:30:54	Power_Flotzo	:DiaLul:
2020-04-26 02:30:54	@Anton{Politoed}	here let's do this first
2020-04-26 02:30:57	+Smasher	THIS is a close enough gap for me to think about cuts
2020-04-26 02:31:00	+Rose	Which one is Torkdrift is that the octopus
2020-04-26 02:31:06	Hooded_Pitohui	Flower machine
2020-04-26 02:31:10	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Remove "Torkdrift (SMO)" from M27? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 02:31:10	Power_Flotzo	UFO boss
2020-04-26 02:31:11	+Rose	Got it
2020-04-26 02:31:15	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 02:31:16	Zange	y
2020-04-26 02:31:16	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 02:31:18	@Gabumon	y
2020-04-26 02:31:19	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 02:31:20	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 02:31:21	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 02:31:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 02:31:25	+Smasher	8-0-0
2020-04-26 02:31:29	+Smasher	bye, torkdrift
2020-04-26 02:32:00	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Remove "Knucklotec (SMO)" from M27? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 02:32:05	Zange	y
2020-04-26 02:32:06	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 02:32:10	+Smasher	yeah honestly thats pretty bad too
2020-04-26 02:32:11	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 02:32:11	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 02:32:12	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 02:32:13	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 02:32:21	+Smasher	6-0-0
2020-04-26 02:32:24	@Gabumon	a
2020-04-26 02:32:24	Mariofan168	a
2020-04-26 02:32:28	+Smasher	6-0-2
2020-04-26 02:32:38	@Anton{Politoed}	i'm glad mechawiggler stood a chance
2020-04-26 02:32:45	@Lakituthequick	Torkdrift has the very-unmario-death-metal theme but knuckle is not that exciting
2020-04-26 02:33:02	+Rose	Mechawiggler best Odyssey boss
2020-04-26 02:33:03	+Smasher	mechawiggler and smo bowser are the better fights anyway
2020-04-26 02:33:11	@Anton{Politoed}	so I'm for considering new bosses before write-ins
2020-04-26 02:33:14	@Anton{Politoed}	so what's lm3 got?
2020-04-26 02:33:34	+Smasher	i still havent played it so ill defer this to people who have
2020-04-26 02:33:38	Hooded_Pitohui	Honestly, I'd say Wolfgeist and Hellen as big, flashy boss fights (but that's partially personal opinion)
2020-04-26 02:33:49	Hooded_Pitohui	The other two big "bosses" are Ug and King Boo
2020-04-26 02:34:09	@Lakituthequick	https://www.mariowiki.com/Luigi%27s_Mansion_3#Boss_Ghosts
2020-04-26 02:34:10	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.mariowiki.com/Luigi%27s_Mansion_3#Boss_Ghosts
2020-04-26 02:34:42	@Lakituthequick	it has a french chef
2020-04-26 02:34:47	@Lakituthequick	of course the cook is french
2020-04-26 02:35:03	@Anton{Politoed}	i'm glad
2020-04-26 02:35:18	@Anton{Politoed}	the world needs more mise en place
2020-04-26 02:35:21	+Rose	Trivia from Ug is funny, "The first phase of Ug's boss battle may be a reference to the movie Night at the Museum, which has a scene where the protagonist is attacked by an animated T-Rex skeleton in the titular museum."
2020-04-26 02:35:46	+Rose	Should put that in the rare sentences thread
2020-04-26 02:35:55	@Anton{Politoed}	the only downside to mise en place is more dishes and the fact that frictionless cookware does not exist
2020-04-26 02:36:25	Hooded_Pitohui	I should clarify that I was talking bosses like in the original LM, where the "bosses" were considered the ones who gated key story progression, but I mean, oops, yeah, all of them are bosses
2020-04-26 02:36:28	@Lakituthequick	i hate whoever came up with 'Ug' for that just occurs 59 times on that page
2020-04-26 02:36:36	@Anton{Politoed}	with the removal of two nominees there's now two spots to fill
2020-04-26 02:36:45	@Lakituthequick	ctrl+f more like control fuck
2020-04-26 02:37:24	+Rose	I have no opinion on LM3 bosses because I don't know any
2020-04-26 02:37:51	Zange	same
2020-04-26 02:37:57	+Smasher	id probably be more in favor of hellen from a distance because she seems more important but ultimately my opinion shouldnt matter much here
2020-04-26 02:38:48	@Anton{Politoed}	keep in mind it's favorite battle so the content of the gameplay is important
2020-04-26 02:38:52	Hooded_Pitohui	The two I threw out had the big multi-part boss fights, so my thinking is they'd be more memorable, but I can't say that with certainty
2020-04-26 02:38:58	@Lakituthequick	"I daresay you'll remember it for the rest of your lives! Ha ha ha..."
2020-04-26 02:39:49	@Lakituthequick	Her name is likely a reference to "Hell" and "graves." - oh nintendo, sneaky
2020-04-26 02:39:59	Hooded_Pitohui	Hellen has one where you have to simultaneously control Luigi and Gooigi to solve puzzles while avoiding attacks, which makes her's more unique, I'd say, talking from a gameplay standpoint
2020-04-26 02:40:26	Hooded_Pitohui	Meanwhile Wolfgeist has lots of distinct phases and some varied patterns, but... eh on if it's unique *enough*
2020-04-26 02:40:41	+Rose	If that's the case for Hellen it probably wouldn't hurt to add her
2020-04-26 02:41:45	@Anton{Politoed}	i'm just looking up some internet thoughts
2020-04-26 02:42:06	@Lakituthequick	a puzzle boss, i'd say that's sort of unique
2020-04-26 02:42:46	@Anton{Politoed}	it seems kinda scattered
2020-04-26 02:42:55	@Anton{Politoed}	no one seems to like the final king boo fight
2020-04-26 02:43:08	Hooded_Pitohui	The final King Boo fight is very meh
2020-04-26 02:43:39	@Anton{Politoed}	names I'm seeing for favorite are clem, serpci, ....you know
2020-04-26 02:43:47	@Anton{Politoed}	we used to have a favorite portrait ghost award or something
2020-04-26 02:44:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	we did!
2020-04-26 02:44:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	and we cut it because king boo destroyed it
2020-04-26 02:44:33	Hooded_Pitohui	Serpci's popular, come to think of it - Clem's very surprising, though. I thought people hated his gimmick.
2020-04-26 02:45:02	@Lakituthequick	clem looks like undead shaggy
2020-04-26 02:45:03	@Anton{Politoed}	it looks like we only had it in 2014 once?
2020-04-26 02:45:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah
2020-04-26 02:45:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	it was a one-time thing because lm2 was coming out, iirc
2020-04-26 02:45:31	@Anton{Politoed}	it's worth a look
2020-04-26 02:45:35	+Smasher	yeah
2020-04-26 02:45:39	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm up for making this an entire award again
2020-04-26 02:45:56	@Anton{Politoed}	it'll need to be fleshed out and a place found for it so that's For Later
2020-04-26 02:45:58	Hooded_Pitohui	It might not be a bad idea, given there's a solid number of unique LM3 ghosts
2020-04-26 02:46:11	@Anton{Politoed}	right now we're figuring out m27
2020-04-26 02:46:13	+Smasher	hmmm, may be a good idea
2020-04-26 02:46:30	@Anton{Politoed}	how about we
2020-04-26 02:46:41	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Shadow Queen (PM:TTYD)" to M27? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 02:46:45	Hooded_Pitohui	Honestly, given the closeness, I think it's worth looking at adding Shadow Queen
2020-04-26 02:46:46	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 02:46:48	@Gabumon	y
2020-04-26 02:46:48	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 02:46:50	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 02:46:50	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 02:46:52	@Anton{Politoed}	highest ranking write-in
2020-04-26 02:47:25	+Smasher	i think this one's worth adding for sure since she only got three votes less than the bottom nominee
2020-04-26 02:47:35	+Smasher	5-0-0
2020-04-26 02:47:38	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 02:47:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 02:47:48	+Smasher	7-0-0
2020-04-26 02:48:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	also i'd be down for expanding portrait ghosts to include lm3
2020-04-26 02:48:21	Zange	y
2020-04-26 02:48:31	@Anton{Politoed}	later on I'll create a thread to brainstorm a ghost award idea
2020-04-26 02:48:34	+Smasher	8-0-0
2020-04-26 02:48:40	Power_Flotzo	Sounds good
2020-04-26 02:48:46	@Anton{Politoed}	should it fail to pan out into something usable, we'll come back and reconsider a lm3 ghost for m27
2020-04-26 02:49:08	Hooded_Pitohui	Sounds like a plan
2020-04-26 02:50:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	we haven't sacrificed any awards on the altar of replacement this year yet, have we
2020-04-26 02:50:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	might be good to think about what's viable for that during the brainstorming
2020-04-26 02:50:34	@Lakituthequick	other than the asterisk for the smo awards, don't think so
2020-04-26 02:50:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	clearly the solution is to merge the smo awards into one
2020-04-26 02:51:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	just ignore all the reasons that's a bad idea
2020-04-26 02:51:17	@Lakituthequick	can't wait for pokio to win from sattelaview
2020-04-26 02:52:05	@Anton{Politoed}	M28 Favorite Game Setting (Mushroom Kingdom (SMB), Mushroom Kingdom (PM), Super Mario RPG World, Dinosaur Land (SMW), Yoshi's Island (SMW2:YI), Isle Delfino (SMS), Beanbean Kingdom (M&L:SS), Rogueport & surrounding areas (PM:TTYD), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Sarasaland (SML), Donkey Kong Island (DKC), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW),
2020-04-26 02:52:06	@Anton{Politoed}	Comet Observatory & galaxies (SMG), Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT), Prism Island (PM:CS), Super Mario Odyssey World, Crocodile Isle (DKC2), Peach's Castle (SM64))
2020-04-26 02:52:18	@Lakituthequick	15) Beanbean Kingdom (M&L:SS) - 23 - 1.69%
2020-04-26 02:52:18	@Lakituthequick	15) Sarasaland (SML) - 23 - 1.69%
2020-04-26 02:52:18	@Lakituthequick	17) Donkey Kong Island (DKC) - 22 - 1.62%
2020-04-26 02:52:18	@Lakituthequick	18) Prism Island (PM:CS) - 18 - 1.33%
2020-04-26 02:52:18	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Diamond City (WarioWare series) - 2 - 0.15%
2020-04-26 02:52:18	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Kong Isle (DK64) - 2 - 0.15%
2020-04-26 02:52:18	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Mario Land (SML2) - 2 - 0.15%
2020-04-26 02:52:35	+Rose	LM3 hotel?
2020-04-26 02:52:39	@Lakituthequick	22 is ten singlevotes
2020-04-26 02:52:44	Hooded_Pitohui	You could technically add the Last Resort
2020-04-26 02:52:51	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't think there's strong reason to
2020-04-26 02:52:53	Mariofan168	alright time for the city of tokyo japan to finally shine
2020-04-26 02:53:03	@Anton{Politoed}	we'd have to remove prism island
2020-04-26 02:53:40	+Rose	I'm okay with that
2020-04-26 02:53:42	@Anton{Politoed}	but I'm up for that
2020-04-26 02:53:45	+Smasher	i probably wouldnt oppose swapping prism island for lm3 hotel
2020-04-26 02:53:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm down for the cut
2020-04-26 02:53:59	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 02:54:18	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Replace "Prism Island (PM:CS)" with "The Last Resort (LM3)"? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 02:54:22	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 02:54:22	@Gabumon	y
2020-04-26 02:54:23	Hooded_Pitohui	a
2020-04-26 02:54:24	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 02:54:25	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 02:54:34	+Smasher	might as well see how it does
2020-04-26 02:54:37	Zange	a
2020-04-26 02:54:42	+Smasher	4-0-2
2020-04-26 02:55:08	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 02:55:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 02:55:52	@Anton{Politoed}	other than this there really just isn't anything else to consider
2020-04-26 02:55:58	@Anton{Politoed}	so
2020-04-26 02:56:09	@Anton{Politoed}	M29 Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) (Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong 64, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart 64, Mario Party 2, Wario Land 3, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Mario Party 3,
2020-04-26 02:56:10	@Anton{Politoed}	Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario Sunshine, Wario Land 4, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!)
2020-04-26 02:56:20	@Lakituthequick	16) Wario Land 3 - 16 - 1.16%
2020-04-26 02:56:20	@Lakituthequick	17) Donkey Kong 64 - 15 - 1.09%
2020-04-26 02:56:20	@Lakituthequick	18) Mario Party 2 - 11 - 0.80%
2020-04-26 02:56:20	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - 9 - 0.65%
2020-04-26 02:56:20	@Lakituthequick	20) O. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins - 5 - 0.36%
2020-04-26 02:56:20	@Lakituthequick	21) O. Mario Party 7 - 4 - 0.29%
2020-04-26 02:56:32	Mariofan168	how long until we start adding wii games to the pile
2020-04-26 02:56:35	+Rose	Have there been any new classic games released recently
2020-04-26 02:56:44	Zange	could maybe swap mp2 and ss
2020-04-26 02:56:55	Mariofan168	it can't be until then where we can really start feeling old
2020-04-26 02:57:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd swap out ss for mp2
2020-04-26 02:57:08	+Smasher	(6-0-2) btw
2020-04-26 02:57:19	+Smasher	im down with swapping ss and mp2
2020-04-26 02:57:20	Hooded_Pitohui	You say that as if the Gamecube wasn't my childhood, MF
2020-04-26 02:57:21	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Replace "Mario Party 2" with "Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga"? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 02:57:25	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 02:57:27	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 02:57:27	Zange	y
2020-04-26 02:57:28	@Gabumon	y
2020-04-26 02:57:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 02:57:30	Mariofan168	y
2020-04-26 02:57:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	mfan's a baby
2020-04-26 02:57:31	+Smasher	i think superstar saga is generally more popular anyway
2020-04-26 02:57:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's why
2020-04-26 02:57:33	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 02:57:35	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 02:57:35	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 02:57:39	+Smasher	9-0-0
2020-04-26 02:58:01	Mariofan168	hey you can't say that without acknowledging the other babies in the room
2020-04-26 02:58:06	Mariofan168	@zange
2020-04-26 02:58:39	+Rose	And my ping never came
2020-04-26 02:58:48	Zange	listen;;; we had a snes as the only nintendo console in the house for most of my younger years
2020-04-26 02:58:50	+Smasher	i thought about it
2020-04-26 02:58:51	Mariofan168	@rose
2020-04-26 02:58:55	Zange	i dont get to be dragged into this
2020-04-26 02:59:00	Hooded_Pitohui	Face it Rose, you're old
2020-04-26 02:59:08	 *	Anton{Politoed} rots
2020-04-26 02:59:14	+Rose	I also played NES and SNES for a good majority of my childhood
2020-04-26 02:59:20	+Rose	World was my first Mario game
2020-04-26 02:59:22	Mariofan168	oh hey anton when did you get here
2020-04-26 02:59:27	@Anton{Politoed}	M30 Favorite Modern Game (Wii/DS and newer) (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario 3D Land, Super Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Super Mario 3D World, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World/Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World,
2020-04-26 02:59:28	@Anton{Politoed}	Paper Mario: Color Splash, Super Mario Odyssey, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Yoshi's Crafted World)
2020-04-26 02:59:29	@Lakituthequick	You're old starts playing
2020-04-26 02:59:43	@Lakituthequick	16) Super Mario 3D Land - 16 - 1.14%
2020-04-26 02:59:43	@Lakituthequick	17) Paper Mario: Color Splash - 11 - 0.78%
2020-04-26 02:59:43	@Lakituthequick	18) Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker - 10 - 0.71%
2020-04-26 02:59:43	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Mario & Luigi: Dream Team - 7 - 0.50%
2020-04-26 02:59:43	@Lakituthequick	20) O. New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 6 - 0.43%
2020-04-26 02:59:43	@Lakituthequick	21) O. New Super Mario Bros. - 4 - 0.28%
2020-04-26 02:59:52	Mariofan168	might as well add mario maker 2
2020-04-26 03:00:01	@Anton{Politoed}	I feel that even once we get a new console after switch which won't be any time soon
2020-04-26 03:00:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	definitely add mm2
2020-04-26 03:00:07	@Anton{Politoed}	that we can still keep these classifications
2020-04-26 03:00:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think we should add lm3 as well
2020-04-26 03:00:13	+Smasher	i think id be down with cutting color splash AND tt
2020-04-26 03:00:16	+Smasher	for lm3 and mm2
2020-04-26 03:00:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	maybe also swap in dream team? but that might be overkill
2020-04-26 03:00:27	Hooded_Pitohui	I'm in agreement with Smasher
2020-04-26 03:00:29	Zange	i agree w/ smasher
2020-04-26 03:00:44	@Gabumon	also agree
2020-04-26 03:01:10	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Remove "Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker" from M30? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 03:01:15	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 03:01:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	it pains me
2020-04-26 03:01:16	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 03:01:16	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 03:01:16	Zange	y
2020-04-26 03:01:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	but
2020-04-26 03:01:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 03:01:24	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 03:01:25	@Gabumon	y
2020-04-26 03:01:33	+Smasher	yeah captain toad is fun
2020-04-26 03:01:40	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Remove "Paper Mario: Color Splash" from M30? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 03:01:41	+Smasher	but sacrifices have to be made
2020-04-26 03:01:43	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 03:01:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 03:01:45	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 03:01:45	@Gabumon	y
2020-04-26 03:01:46	Zange	y
2020-04-26 03:01:46	Mariofan168	y
2020-04-26 03:01:48	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 03:01:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	someday i really need to play color splash
2020-04-26 03:01:51	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 03:01:54	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 03:01:55	Power_Flotzo	same
2020-04-26 03:01:55	@Lakituthequick	same
2020-04-26 03:02:00	+Rose	same
2020-04-26 03:02:04	Hooded_Pitohui	It's actually pretty good, boss battles aside
2020-04-26 03:02:08	+Smasher	ct 7-0-0, cs 9-0-0
2020-04-26 03:02:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	maybe if nintendo rereleased on a console that wasn't a bomb
2020-04-26 03:02:13	@Lakituthequick	I was hoping they port it to switch
2020-04-26 03:02:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	 same here
2020-04-26 03:02:43	Power_Flotzo	same. it should jump to the good ship Switch.
2020-04-26 03:03:10	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Luigi's Mansion 3" to M30? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 03:03:13	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 03:03:13	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 03:03:14	Zange	y
2020-04-26 03:03:15	@Lakituthequick	i mean, you can bake a steak
2020-04-26 03:03:15	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 03:03:17	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 03:03:21	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 03:03:27	+Smasher	6-0-0
2020-04-26 03:03:27	@Gabumon	y
2020-04-26 03:03:30	+Smasher	7-0-0
2020-04-26 03:03:32	@Lakituthequick	you defeat it my making it well done
2020-04-26 03:03:35	@Lakituthequick	*by
2020-04-26 03:03:42	@Lakituthequick	top tie
2020-04-26 03:03:42	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Super Mario Maker 2" to M30? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 03:03:43	@Lakituthequick	r
2020-04-26 03:03:46	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 03:03:46	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 03:03:47	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 03:03:47	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 03:03:47	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 03:03:50	Zange	y
2020-04-26 03:03:50	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 03:03:55	+Smasher	7-0-0
2020-04-26 03:03:56	Mariofan168	y
2020-04-26 03:04:19	@Anton{Politoed}	is anyone feeling wild and crazy for any of the mobile games
2020-04-26 03:04:24	+Rose	No
2020-04-26 03:04:27	Zange	nope!
2020-04-26 03:04:32	Hooded_Pitohui	nooot particularly so
2020-04-26 03:04:32	 *	Lakituthequick snorts
2020-04-26 03:04:34	Power_Flotzo	Nope.avi
2020-04-26 03:04:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	naaah
2020-04-26 03:05:01	@Gabumon	let's add the mario kart cashgrab thing as a joke
2020-04-26 03:05:10	Mariofan168	"you guys have phones, right"
2020-04-26 03:05:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	only if we call it Mario Kart Cashgrab
2020-04-26 03:05:28	@Anton{Politoed}	i can't believe how good of a song "stupid love" is by lady gaga
2020-04-26 03:05:29	+Rose	Mario Kart Tour Through your Wallet
2020-04-26 03:05:30	@Anton{Politoed}	she's back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2020-04-26 03:05:50	@Lakituthequick	"Look how spacious it is"
2020-04-26 03:05:52	+Rose	I've been listening to old Lady Gaga recently
2020-04-26 03:05:53	@Gabumon	mario master card tour
2020-04-26 03:05:54	@Anton{Politoed}	everyone pop your marussies to chromatica
2020-04-26 03:05:59	@Anton{Politoed}	ariana grande collab
2020-04-26 03:06:03	+Rose	Forgot how good her stuff is
2020-04-26 03:06:13	@Anton{Politoed}	and with that Mario Awards are complete*
2020-04-26 03:06:17	@Anton{Politoed}	(* they're not)
2020-04-26 03:06:24	@Anton{Politoed}	and we can move on to Fail Awards
2020-04-26 03:06:28	Power_Flotzo	:UmiSlain:
2020-04-26 03:06:35	@Lakituthequick	I now have notes on M9
2020-04-26 03:06:43	@Anton{Politoed}	scary
2020-04-26 03:06:47	@Lakituthequick	They announced a new update for SMM2
2020-04-26 03:06:50	@Lakituthequick	World Maker
2020-04-26 03:06:54	@Lakituthequick	what do
2020-04-26 03:07:01	+Rose	Oh No
2020-04-26 03:07:05	@Anton{Politoed}	oh yeah that was mentioned in the general discussion thread
2020-04-26 03:07:10	 *	Zange headdesks
2020-04-26 03:07:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	wait wait
2020-04-26 03:07:12	@Lakituthequick	ye
2020-04-26 03:07:16	+Smasher	oh RIGHT
2020-04-26 03:07:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	i didn't get my suggestion acknowledge for m10
2020-04-26 03:07:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	*m30
2020-04-26 03:07:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	i do think it's worth considering the 3d land/dream team swap
2020-04-26 03:07:22	Zange	we love this game for throwing all the wrenches at us
2020-04-26 03:07:32	+Smasher	oh
2020-04-26 03:07:33	Mariofan168	vote: lakituthequick
2020-04-26 03:07:42	+Smasher	im entirely indifferent to perch's suggestion
2020-04-26 03:07:42	@Anton{Politoed}	from yfj
2020-04-26 03:07:44	@Anton{Politoed}	"With the recent announcement of Mario Maker 2 update 3.0.0, should the option in Favorite Add-On Content we added be changed to reflect that? Better yet, perhaps throw in the update content from the first Mario Maker in an all-encompassing "Super Mario Maker update content" option?"
2020-04-26 03:07:49	+Smasher	there, it's acknowledged
2020-04-26 03:08:10	@Anton{Politoed}	i'll come back to m30
2020-04-26 03:08:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think throwing it all together feels messy
2020-04-26 03:08:22	@Anton{Politoed}	i agree
2020-04-26 03:08:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	maybe just do mm1s stuff and mm2's stuff
2020-04-26 03:08:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	as different nominees
2020-04-26 03:08:33	@Anton{Politoed}	each update offers different content that has different appeal
2020-04-26 03:08:43	+Rose	I still stand by that I believe the definition needs to be better defined for our own sake
2020-04-26 03:08:56	@Anton{Politoed}	suggest one
2020-04-26 03:09:14	+Rose	Well
2020-04-26 03:09:19	@Anton{Politoed}	 M9 - Favorite Add-on Content - The best Mario-relevant software package that adds new content to a game. To qualify, the content must be non-essential for the core game and add one or more distinct, recognizable elements to it. This does not include minor patches, code updates, or bug fixes.
2020-04-26 03:09:42	@Lakituthequick	also on naming for consideration later is the announcement video of 2.0 names it "A Legendary Update" -- 3.0 calls it "World Maker Update"
2020-04-26 03:09:50	+Rose	Why is the "non-essential for the core game" part included
2020-04-26 03:09:54	+Rose	What was the cause for that
2020-04-26 03:09:56	@Anton{Politoed}	good info ltq
2020-04-26 03:10:30	@Anton{Politoed}	if it's an essential update for the game then it's just part of the game, I suppose
2020-04-26 03:10:35	@Anton{Politoed}	like a fix to something broken or stupid
2020-04-26 03:10:42	+Rose	If I were to make a suggestion, I'd change that one bit to read "To qualify, the content must be additive to the core game"
2020-04-26 03:10:44	@Anton{Politoed}	a non-essential update package adds something MORE
2020-04-26 03:11:02	@Lakituthequick	@Rose I think to account for not-actually-dlc but not essenctial still
2020-04-26 03:11:05	+Rose	Fixes the dispute of what counts as non-essential while still differentiating from We Fixed This Glitch
2020-04-26 03:11:20	Zange	i have thoughts on this but words are hard so if we don't end up deciding on something solid tonight i might end up throwing all my thoughts on a google doc later
2020-04-26 03:11:24	+Rose	Yeah but we've already found ourselves in the "is this essential" issue with MM2 updates
2020-04-26 03:11:45	@Gabumon	that change sounds like it would disqualify things that are currently part of the award
2020-04-26 03:11:50	@Lakituthequick	Balloon world was part of an update but is also just an non-required fun aside
2020-04-26 03:12:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	thought
2020-04-26 03:12:25	+Rose	Which parts are you looking at, Edo
2020-04-26 03:12:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	why do we /need/ the additive/non-essential part in the first place? the definition already eliminates stuff that's just "we fixed this glitch"
2020-04-26 03:12:32	@Gabumon	balloon world
2020-04-26 03:12:47	@Gabumon	it is absolutely not part of the core game
2020-04-26 03:13:00	@Gabumon	you don't have to interact with it at all
2020-04-26 03:13:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	like, couldn't we jus say
2020-04-26 03:13:33	+Rose	That's not exactly what I meant by that phrasing
2020-04-26 03:13:42	+Rose	I'm thinking that Perch's suggestion is about to fix what I meant
2020-04-26 03:13:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	The best Mario-relevant software package that adds new content to a game. To qualify, the content must add one or more distinct, recognizable elements to the base game. This does not include minor patches, code updates, or bug fixes.
2020-04-26 03:13:58	+Rose	Boom
2020-04-26 03:14:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	actually
2020-04-26 03:14:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	to better clarify
2020-04-26 03:14:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	maybe change "base game" to "initial release of the game"
2020-04-26 03:14:19	Hooded_Pitohui	I agree with Zange, words are hard, but I like that proposed definition
2020-04-26 03:14:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	so that there's no confusion over what it means
2020-04-26 03:14:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	make it very clear it's The Game As Initially Sold
2020-04-26 03:14:38	@Gabumon	I like that definition better
2020-04-26 03:14:42	+Rose	That's good
2020-04-26 03:14:44	@Lakituthequick	i like blocky's suggestion
2020-04-26 03:14:52	+Smasher	The best Mario-relevant software package that adds new content to a game. To qualify, the content must add one or more distinct, recognizable elements to the initial release of the game. This does not include minor patches, code updates, or bug fixes.
2020-04-26 03:14:57	Honoka_Chaosaka	^
2020-04-26 03:15:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's my finished proposal for this
2020-04-26 03:15:04	+Smasher	yeah, i like this
2020-04-26 03:15:49	Mariofan168	yes, please
2020-04-26 03:15:50	@Anton{Politoed}	sure that works
2020-04-26 03:15:52	Zange	i do like perch's definition but i do have one issue with it (not necessarily the definition itself):
2020-04-26 03:15:53	+Rose	That's basically what I meant with my revision but I didn't do a spectacular job at explaining that with how I phrased it lmao
2020-04-26 03:16:32	@Gabumon	yeah, the "additive" part suggested to me that it was "added to the core game", i.e. becomes part of it
2020-04-26 03:16:42	+Rose	I get where you're coming from
2020-04-26 03:16:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh that actually casued me to notice a small weird bit of wording i left in there
2020-04-26 03:16:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	1 sec
2020-04-26 03:16:57	Zange	if we keep getting more games rolling content updates that add expansive content (ala smm2 now), how do we treat those?
2020-04-26 03:17:08	Zange	*more games with
2020-04-26 03:17:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	"To qualify, the content must add one or more distinct, recognizable elements that were not included in the initial release of the game."
2020-04-26 03:17:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	because i realized it sounds kinda like adding to the initial release itself
2020-04-26 03:17:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	and considering ambiguity is how we got here
2020-04-26 03:17:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	i must strike it all down
2020-04-26 03:17:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	anyhow, i'd say for now we have enough space to add huge content updates as their own thing
2020-04-26 03:18:01	@Lakituthequick	⚔️
2020-04-26 03:18:22	Zange	and in the future? or would that be a bridge to cross when we get there
2020-04-26 03:18:26	 *	Rose realizes with panic that Tour is always releasing new content after the initial release
2020-04-26 03:18:35	Honoka_Chaosaka	well, we have our next new award
2020-04-26 03:18:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	Best Mario Kart Tour Update
2020-04-26 03:18:41	+Rose	I think it can be a future bridge thing
2020-04-26 03:18:44	@Lakituthequick	don't go into that rabbit hole Rose 
2020-04-26 03:18:48	Honoka_Chaosaka	but yeah in seriousness we can worry about it later
2020-04-26 03:18:49	Hooded_Pitohui	I feel like that's going to be an issue of the future as more games go to the rolling update model, which might mean revaluation of what we consider DLC in general
2020-04-26 03:18:57	@Gabumon	favorite time you caught nintendo with their hand in your wallet
2020-04-26 03:19:09	+Smasher	i agree with worrying about it later
2020-04-26 03:19:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	when they released f-zero switch
2020-04-26 03:19:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh wait.
2020-04-26 03:19:27	+Smasher	itll become a problem in the future possibly but not really yet, imo
2020-04-26 03:20:06	Hooded_Pitohui	[s]New fail award, favorite Nintendo Scandal, featuring the big hack of accounts in the news and the EU suits against their digital return policies[/s]
2020-04-26 03:20:07	@Lakituthequick	Two days later, F-ZERO for Nintendo Switch was announced.
2020-04-26 03:20:43	Zange	in trying to get a coherent thought out for this im just realizing how convoluted it is to try and future-proof this award (which i guess is what i've been trying to do)
2020-04-26 03:20:46	@Gabumon	and it's a game where all the drivers are miis and you just get costumes of fzero characters
2020-04-26 03:20:49	+Smasher	i WISH ltq
2020-04-26 03:20:58	+Smasher	i dont wish for that
2020-04-26 03:21:02	@Anton{Politoed}	so "also on naming for consideration later is the announcement video of 2.0 names it "A Legendary Update" -- 3.0 calls it "World Maker Update""
2020-04-26 03:21:07	+Rose	F-Zero Mii Mayhem
2020-04-26 03:21:16	@Lakituthequick	i like miis
2020-04-26 03:21:25	+Smasher	those names make sense tbh
2020-04-26 03:21:26	@Anton{Politoed}	would this change the nominee title to just "A Legendary Update (SMM2)"
2020-04-26 03:21:31	@Anton{Politoed}	or would 2.0 be shoved in there somewhere still
2020-04-26 03:21:44	+Smasher	not sure
2020-04-26 03:21:48	+Rose	Is Legendary Update clear enough on its own
2020-04-26 03:21:55	@Anton{Politoed}	I don't think so
2020-04-26 03:21:57	+Smasher	on one hand i didnt know they had names
2020-04-26 03:21:59	Zange	probably have the official name and then 2.0 in parenthesis
2020-04-26 03:22:00	@Anton{Politoed}	but it's also like
2020-04-26 03:22:01	@Anton{Politoed}	 1 day old
2020-04-26 03:22:07	+Smasher	on the other, legendary update
2020-04-26 03:22:07	+Rose	It could be "A Legendary Update (SMM2 2.0 Update)"
2020-04-26 03:22:12	+Smasher	legend of zelda
2020-04-26 03:22:16	Zange	so like "A - yeah what rose said
2020-04-26 03:22:23	+Smasher	but i think rose's is good
2020-04-26 03:22:35	+Smasher	and then World Maker Update (SMM2 3.0 Update)
2020-04-26 03:22:35	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm keeping the final parentheses for just the game title
2020-04-26 03:22:47	@Anton{Politoed}	to maintain consistency
2020-04-26 03:23:14	@Anton{Politoed}	next similar would be "A Legendary Update (Version 2.0) (SMM2)"
2020-04-26 03:23:15	+Rose	Cursed suggestion is then "A Legendary Update (2.0 Update) (SMM2)"
2020-04-26 03:23:17	@Lakituthequick	A Legendary Update (version 2.0; SMM2)
2020-04-26 03:23:18	+Rose	Yeah
2020-04-26 03:23:32	Zange	that could work
2020-04-26 03:23:36	@Anton{Politoed}	we've had double parentheses in other nominees
2020-04-26 03:23:36	+Rose	For which lol
2020-04-26 03:23:44	+Smasher	anton's works
2020-04-26 03:24:11	+Rose	Fine by me
2020-04-26 03:24:22	@Lakituthequick	Break Free (Lead the Way) (Super Mario Odyssey); Karaoke (Medamayaki) (Wario Land 4); etc
2020-04-26 03:24:37	@Lakituthequick	Anton's works for me too
2020-04-26 03:25:00	@Lakituthequick	also Main Theme (Bob-omb Battlefield) (Super Mario 64)
2020-04-26 03:25:29	@Anton{Politoed}	there's 17 nominees in this so there's still technically space
2020-04-26 03:25:52	@Anton{Politoed}	so
2020-04-26 03:25:54	@turb	sorry i involuntarily fell asleep for 7 hours prior to the meeting again
2020-04-26 03:26:06	+Rose	Hi Turb
2020-04-26 03:26:18	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "World Maker Update (Version 3.0) (SMM2)" to M9? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 03:26:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 03:26:22	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2020-04-26 03:26:22	+Rose	y
2020-04-26 03:26:26	Zange	a
2020-04-26 03:26:30	@turb	y
2020-04-26 03:26:31	Power_Flotzo	y
2020-04-26 03:26:40	Mariofan168	y
2020-04-26 03:26:48	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 03:26:50	Mariofan168	end my suffering
2020-04-26 03:26:58	+Smasher	y
2020-04-26 03:26:59	@Gabumon	y
2020-04-26 03:27:18	+Smasher	9-0-1
2020-04-26 03:27:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2020-04-26 03:28:17	@Anton{Politoed}	any other considerations before moving on to Fail?
2020-04-26 03:28:17	+Smasher	10-0-1
2020-04-26 03:28:21	+Rose	Are we going to vote on new definition of the award or is that happening in thread later or are we just changing it or
2020-04-26 03:28:32	+Smasher	there was perch's m30 thing
2020-04-26 03:28:34	@Anton{Politoed}	it's just being done
2020-04-26 03:28:37	@Lakituthequick	didn't perch have something for m30
2020-04-26 03:28:37	+Rose	Okay cool
2020-04-26 03:29:06	+Smasher	im cool with changing it outright without a vote i think we're agreed it's better
2020-04-26 03:29:56	+Smasher		Honoka_Chaosaka	i do think it's worth considering the 3d land/dream team swap
2020-04-26 03:30:03	+Smasher	this was the suggestion
2020-04-26 03:30:12	+Smasher	i'm still indifferent
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2020-04-26 03:30:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	3d land polled poorly and dt was doing well in the writeins
2020-04-26 03:30:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	but i am indifferent
2020-04-26 03:30:34	@Lakituthequick	16) Super Mario 3D Land - 16 - 1.14%
2020-04-26 03:30:34	@Lakituthequick	17) Paper Mario: Color Splash - 11 - 0.78%
2020-04-26 03:30:34	@Lakituthequick	18) Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker - 10 - 0.71%
2020-04-26 03:30:34	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Mario & Luigi: Dream Team - 7 - 0.50%
2020-04-26 03:30:34	@Lakituthequick	20) O. New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 6 - 0.43%
2020-04-26 03:30:34	@Lakituthequick	21) O. New Super Mario Bros. - 4 - 0.28%
2020-04-26 03:30:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	so i could go either way, the numbers just lent themselves to a suggestion
2020-04-26 03:31:03	@turb	what's the idea of doing it to 3d land specifically instead of one of the other bottom 2
2020-04-26 03:31:06	@turb	variety?
2020-04-26 03:31:09	+Smasher	that's easy turb
2020-04-26 03:31:13	@Anton{Politoed}	other two already voted out
2020-04-26 03:31:16	+Smasher	we already killed the bottom two lol
2020-04-26 03:31:18	@turb	oh i see
2020-04-26 03:31:20	+Smasher	for lm3 and mm2
2020-04-26 03:31:24	@turb	that makes a lot of sense
2020-04-26 03:31:37	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Replace "Super Mario 3D Land" with "Mario & Luigi: Dream Team"? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 03:31:44	Hooded_Pitohui	n
2020-04-26 03:31:44	+Rose	a
2020-04-26 03:31:57	Honoka_Chaosaka	a
2020-04-26 03:31:59	@Gabumon	a
2020-04-26 03:32:04	@Lakituthequick	a
2020-04-26 03:32:05	Power_Flotzo	a
2020-04-26 03:32:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	the abstains have it
2020-04-26 03:32:12	Zange	a
2020-04-26 03:32:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	but in seriousness i think our solid apathy is a good reason to do nothing, then
2020-04-26 03:32:27	@Lakituthequick	yeah
2020-04-26 03:32:33	Hooded_Pitohui	If it ends up on the bottom and close again, probably, but I don't have a particularly strong opinion yet
2020-04-26 03:32:33	@Lakituthequick	a => n
2020-04-26 03:33:01	@turb	a
2020-04-26 03:33:01	+Smasher	a
2020-04-26 03:33:16	+Smasher	0-2-7
2020-04-26 03:33:26	+Smasher	i think this should default to a no
2020-04-26 03:33:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	i agree
2020-04-26 03:33:34	+Smasher	no yes's, no one cares
2020-04-26 03:33:53	@Anton{Politoed}	F1 Worst Character (Mario, Princess Daisy, Waluigi, Wario, Petey Piranha, Birdo, Mimi, Starlow, Lubba, Bowser Jr., Toad, Fawful, Pink Gold Peach, Baby Rosalina, Kersti, Rosalina, Spewart)
2020-04-26 03:34:19	@Lakituthequick	15) Mario - 20 - 1.41%
2020-04-26 03:34:19	@Lakituthequick	16) Toad - 18 - 1.27%
2020-04-26 03:34:19	@Lakituthequick	17) Rosalina - 14 - 0.99%
2020-04-26 03:34:19	@Lakituthequick	18) O. Princess Peach - 7 - 0.49%
2020-04-26 03:34:19	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Toadette - 6 - 0.42%
2020-04-26 03:34:19	@Lakituthequick	20) O. Baby Peach - 4 - 0.28%
2020-04-26 03:34:32	+Rose	Is now my chance to finally shun Dr. Fire Rosalina
2020-04-26 03:34:34	@Anton{Politoed}	I feel some doctor mario characters are going to end up as valid nominees or affect the current standings
2020-04-26 03:34:54	@Lakituthequick	but are they separate characters
2020-04-26 03:34:58	Hooded_Pitohui	Do we consider Dr. variants besides Dr. Mario to be separate characters
2020-04-26 03:35:09	@turb	yeah how do we even handle it in this case
2020-04-26 03:35:50	+Smasher	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-04-26 03:36:00	Honoka_Chaosaka	imo
2020-04-26 03:36:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	i would not consider any Dr. variant who just appeared in Dr. Mario World alone to be a separate character
2020-04-26 03:36:15	@turb	i'd probably not want to go out of our way with putting them in the polls and then see what the writeins look like but i'm not dying on that hill
2020-04-26 03:36:17	Hooded_Pitohui	Dr. Waluigi does not feel like a fundamentally different Waluigi - more like a costume swap
2020-04-26 03:36:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	^
2020-04-26 03:36:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	Dr. Mario is the one exception thanks to stuff like Smash
2020-04-26 03:36:36	@Lakituthequick	Dr. Goomba Tower
2020-04-26 03:36:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	where he has diverged from Mario into his own thing
2020-04-26 03:36:37	@turb	yeah all of the doctor characters are just recolors with coats on
2020-04-26 03:36:42	+Rose	Unless we really want to go with that fat stacked "Dr. variants (Dr. Mario World)"
2020-04-26 03:36:45	Honoka_Chaosaka	but everyone else is just "someone put on a doctor's coat"
2020-04-26 03:36:53	+Rose	But I don't actually suggest that
2020-04-26 03:36:55	@Anton{Politoed}	whether we add it to the award or not people are going to vote for it
2020-04-26 03:36:57	+Smasher	yeah dr. mario is the only one that i truly consider a separate character
2020-04-26 03:37:03	@Anton{Politoed}	so should they be merged into existing characters
2020-04-26 03:37:03	Power_Flotzo	Three Goombas in a trenchcoat earning a doctor's degree.
2020-04-26 03:37:10	@Lakituthequick	I would merge them yeah
2020-04-26 03:37:13	Hooded_Pitohui	I think they should be merged
2020-04-26 03:37:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think they should be merged
2020-04-26 03:37:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	now the real question is
2020-04-26 03:37:19	+Smasher	merge them
2020-04-26 03:37:25	+Smasher	unless its dr mario
2020-04-26 03:37:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	did all three goombas earn the degree, or did only one of them did
2020-04-26 03:37:27	@turb	yeah merge
2020-04-26 03:37:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah, keep Dr. Mario votes separate
2020-04-26 03:37:35	@Lakituthequick	:thinking:
2020-04-26 03:37:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	but /only/ Dr. Mario
2020-04-26 03:37:49	+Rose	Wait wait
2020-04-26 03:38:03	@turb	we can decide on the fly if we get to f1 and then see a staggering amount of votes for dr fire rosalina specifically right
2020-04-26 03:38:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	pretty much!
2020-04-26 03:38:13	+Rose	By merge, do you mean that if you want to vote for the Dr. variant on the poll, they're just tossed into that character that's already on there
2020-04-26 03:38:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's the idea, yeah
2020-04-26 03:38:19	+Smasher	yes
2020-04-26 03:38:21	Hooded_Pitohui	Yeah
2020-04-26 03:38:23	+Rose	Alright
2020-04-26 03:38:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	dr. fire rosalina votes are counted as Rosalina
2020-04-26 03:38:35	+Rose	Well
2020-04-26 03:38:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	though
2020-04-26 03:38:45	Honoka_Chaosaka	that does leave a question
2020-04-26 03:38:47	+Smasher	if theres 40 dr fire rosalina votes then we can add her as a desperate nominee next year
2020-04-26 03:38:52	+Rose	I think Dr. Fire Rosalina's astrocity more than deserves her own spot
2020-04-26 03:38:52	+Smasher	separate
2020-04-26 03:39:00	+Smasher	though hm
2020-04-26 03:39:04	@turb	i do feel that's a bit disingenuous considering she's the lowest placement on the current polls but idk
2020-04-26 03:39:09	@turb	fuck dr mario world
2020-04-26 03:39:13	+Smasher	that one *is* stupid enough but hard to say
2020-04-26 03:39:22	+Rose	I don't think it should be added this year
2020-04-26 03:39:31	+Rose	But I don't think her votes should defect into Rosalina
2020-04-26 03:39:37	+Smasher	ok, that's fair
2020-04-26 03:39:42	+Rose	Because I'd consider them separate enough
2020-04-26 03:39:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	i feel like it should be more consistent? like, i dunno, it feels weird to make a single exception
2020-04-26 03:39:58	@Anton{Politoed}	i agree
2020-04-26 03:40:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	if it's generally thought of as a better idea to count the dr. variants on their own, i'm fine with having them /all/ counted separately
2020-04-26 03:40:09	Zange	i still dont know why they thought dr fire rosalina was a good idea
2020-04-26 03:40:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	but all or nothing imo
2020-04-26 03:40:10	@Lakituthequick	thanks nintendo
2020-04-26 03:40:11	@turb	yeah i agree with consistency
2020-04-26 03:40:14	+Rose	Then I'd say that none of the Dr. variants should merge
2020-04-26 03:40:19	Hooded_Pitohui	Yeah, I'm on the all or nothing variant
2020-04-26 03:40:33	@Anton{Politoed}	well
2020-04-26 03:40:39	@Anton{Politoed}	once voting happens I can't ask the committee for a decision
2020-04-26 03:40:55	+Rose	I don't think they should be added to the poll, but in terms of counting write-ins
2020-04-26 03:40:57	@Anton{Politoed}	so as long as everyone is comfortable with turb and I deciding ourselves how to approach this once votes come in then gr8
2020-04-26 03:41:20	@Anton{Politoed}	my stance is merge them if it's a couple but if it becomes something significant immediately separate them all
2020-04-26 03:41:21	+Rose	I'm good with it
2020-04-26 03:41:26	+Smasher	thats fine
2020-04-26 03:41:32	Zange	that works
2020-04-26 03:41:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm okay with going for a wait and see approach
2020-04-26 03:41:38	@turb	I'm in favor
2020-04-26 03:41:41	@Lakituthequick	y
2020-04-26 03:41:46	Hooded_Pitohui	I am okay with that, considering new territory here
2020-04-26 03:41:47	Honoka_Chaosaka	i do stand by what i said that dr. mario should remain counted separately under all circumstances
2020-04-26 03:41:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	but he has reasons for that
2020-04-26 03:41:54	@Anton{Politoed}	that's valid
2020-04-26 03:42:02	+Smasher	if some versions of dr forms just end up getting a bunch of write ins then just keep them all split
2020-04-26 03:42:06	+Smasher	also per perch
2020-04-26 03:42:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	a big part of it is that dr. mario has been a separate character to people for YEARS before dr. mario world
2020-04-26 03:42:20	+Smasher	dr mario is separate enough at this point
2020-04-26 03:42:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	people are used to treating him different, not just "mario put a coat on"
2020-04-26 03:42:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	i wouldn't even count dr. luigi and he got a game
2020-04-26 03:42:58	@Lakituthequick	besides smash -- rabbit hole incoming -- have mario and dr. mario ever appeared together
2020-04-26 03:43:10	+Rose	Have we ever seen them in the same room 🤔
2020-04-26 03:43:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'll go look
2020-04-26 03:44:02	@Lakituthequick	if not and smash is tossed out of the window -- i don't even know anymore
2020-04-26 03:44:07	@Anton{Politoed}	going on to fail now though
2020-04-26 03:44:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	"In an interview about the Super Mario series for the then-upcoming 30th anniversary, Shigeru Miyamoto implied that "Dr. Mario" was not a licensed doctor.[7]" i did find this
2020-04-26 03:44:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	doctor mario is a quack
2020-04-26 03:44:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	anyhow, f2
2020-04-26 03:44:26	@Lakituthequick	yeah f2
2020-04-26 03:44:31	+Smasher	just move on
2020-04-26 03:44:53	@Anton{Politoed}	F2 Worst 2D Level (The Very Loooooong Cave (SMW2:YI), Tubular (SMW), World 8-3 (SMB), Endless World of Yoshis (SMW2:YI), World 9-7 (NSMBW), Lakitu's Wall (SMW2:YI), Mine Cart Madness (DKC), World 8-Bowser's Castle (SMB3), Stampede Sprint (DKC3), World 8-1 (SMB), World 4-2 (SMB2), World 7-8 (SMB3), The Big Board (WL4), Pendulum Castle (NSMBU),
2020-04-26 03:44:53	@Anton{Politoed}	Doodle Woods (WL4), World 7-4 (SMB), World 3-5 (SMB3), World 6-4 (SMB3))
2020-04-26 03:45:00	@Lakituthequick	15) World 4-2 (SMB2) - 18 - 1.73%
2020-04-26 03:45:00	@Lakituthequick	16) World 7-8 (SMB3) - 15 - 1.44%
2020-04-26 03:45:00	@Lakituthequick	17) World 3-5 (SMB3) - 13 - 1.25%
2020-04-26 03:45:00	@Lakituthequick	18) World 6-4 (SMB3) - 10 - 0.96%
2020-04-26 03:45:00	@Lakituthequick	19) O. World C-3 (SMB:TLL) - 5 - 0.48%
2020-04-26 03:45:00	@Lakituthequick	20) O. World 6-5 (SMB3) - 4 - 0.38%
2020-04-26 03:45:00	@Lakituthequick	21) O. Animal Antics (DKC2) - 3 - 0.29%
2020-04-26 03:45:00	@Lakituthequick	21) O. Poochy Ain't Stupid (SMW2:YI) - 3 - 0.29%
2020-04-26 03:45:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	were any of the super mario maker levels unfathomably shit
2020-04-26 03:45:16	@Lakituthequick	i was wondering why i got a ping out of that but "Lakitu"
2020-04-26 03:45:34	@turb	does smm2 have a set of default levels like smm1 did
2020-04-26 03:45:35	@Lakituthequick	all of them
2020-04-26 03:45:42	@Lakituthequick	  /s
2020-04-26 03:45:49	@Gabumon	yes turb
2020-04-26 03:45:52	+Rose	"Little Jimmy Levels (SMM & SMM2)"
2020-04-26 03:46:02	+Rose	Oh no wait the joke is Timmy
2020-04-26 03:46:05	+Rose	Whoops
2020-04-26 03:46:20	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't remember any SMM2 being particularly bad, no
2020-04-26 03:47:05	+Smasher	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-04-26 03:47:39	@Anton{Politoed}	as we look into mm2 favorite levels we can look into worst
2020-04-26 03:48:07	@Anton{Politoed}	this will require more effort than 12 minutes left can offer
2020-04-26 03:48:36	@Anton{Politoed}	are there any swaps that feel valid
2020-04-26 03:48:38	+Smasher	agreed
2020-04-26 03:49:05	+Rose	I think it's fine as is
2020-04-26 03:49:10	@turb	i've never played tll to offer an opinion on the highest writein but tentatively i would say that the votes are fine as is
2020-04-26 03:49:14	+Smasher	the bottom is only five votes more than the highest write in but idk
2020-04-26 03:49:15	@turb	and don't really warrant it
2020-04-26 03:49:18	@Lakituthequick	quick look at c-3 looks like a shit level
2020-04-26 03:49:21	Zange	i dont think anything needs swapped, no
2020-04-26 03:49:26	+Smasher	theyre all so low and i dont see c-3 doing much better
2020-04-26 03:49:27	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't think anything quiiite gets there for me to feel a swap
2020-04-26 03:49:33	+Smasher	im ok with keeping this for now
2020-04-26 03:50:29	@Lakituthequick	yes
2020-04-26 03:50:31	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Replace "World 6-4 (SMB3)" with "World C-3 (SMB:TLL)? (y/n/a)
2020-04-26 03:50:35	+Rose	a
2020-04-26 03:50:39	@Gabumon	a
2020-04-26 03:50:41	@turb	a
2020-04-26 03:50:42	@Lakituthequick	a
2020-04-26 03:50:45	Power_Flotzo	a
2020-04-26 03:50:48	@Lakituthequick	pfft
2020-04-26 03:50:50	Zange	a
2020-04-26 03:50:52	Hooded_Pitohui	a
2020-04-26 03:50:57	@Gabumon	the descriptors are so generic I don't know what we are replacing with what
2020-04-26 03:51:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	a
2020-04-26 03:51:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	i never played smb3 or tll so
2020-04-26 03:51:21	+Rose	I don't know levels by numbers lmao
2020-04-26 03:51:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	i don't even know what these levels are like
2020-04-26 03:51:24	@Lakituthequick	we're replacing a confirmed shit level with an allegedly shit level
2020-04-26 03:51:34	+Smasher	a
2020-04-26 03:51:41	+Smasher	0-0-9
2020-04-26 03:51:41	@Anton{Politoed}	let's leave it
2020-04-26 03:51:43	+Smasher	amazing
2020-04-26 03:51:48	+Smasher	let's leave it as is
2020-04-26 03:51:53	+Rose	"Allegedly Shit" is my new punk rock band
2020-04-26 03:52:13	@Anton{Politoed}	F3 Worst 3D Level (Corona Mountain (SMS), The Toxic Waterfall/Lily Pad Ride (SMS), Pachinko Game (SMS), Stone Cyclone Galaxy (SMG2), Wing Mario Over the Rainbow/Over the Rainbows (SM64), Sling Pod Galaxy (SMG), Rolling Gizmo Galaxy (SMG), Boss Blitz Galaxy (SMG2), Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG), Bubble Breeze Galaxy (SMG), World 1-1 (SM3DL),
2020-04-26 03:52:13	@Anton{Politoed}	Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW), Fuzzy Time Mine (SM3DW), Champion's Road (SM3DW), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Luncheon Kingdom (SMO), Dark Side (SMO), Darker Side (SMO))
2020-04-26 03:52:20	@Lakituthequick	c-3 does something with lakitu's raining spinies and also few platforms so you need their clouds
2020-04-26 03:52:22	@Lakituthequick	16) Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG) - 25 - 2.04%
2020-04-26 03:52:22	@Lakituthequick	17) Boss Blitz Galaxy (SMG2) - 24 - 1.96%
2020-04-26 03:52:22	@Lakituthequick	18) Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW) - 19 - 1.55%
2020-04-26 03:52:22	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Rainbow Ride (SM64) - 3 - 0.24%
2020-04-26 03:52:22	@Lakituthequick	19) O. Tick Tock Clock (SM64) - 3 - 0.24%
2020-04-26 03:52:38	@turb	i'd just leave it
2020-04-26 03:52:39	+Rose	Keep the same
2020-04-26 03:52:43	Hooded_Pitohui	Question
2020-04-26 03:52:50	Hooded_Pitohui	Do LM3 floors count for this award
2020-04-26 03:52:58	+Rose	I did have that thought
2020-04-26 03:53:00	Honoka_Chaosaka	...huh! i think they might
2020-04-26 03:53:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	now the question is
2020-04-26 03:53:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	were any of them really bad
2020-04-26 03:53:09	@Lakituthequick	have we ever considered luigi's mansion at all
2020-04-26 03:53:13	Hooded_Pitohui	If so, we may want to look into B2F
2020-04-26 03:53:16	@turb	"The worst level found in a 3D game. This includes nominees from the main Mario games, as well as the Donkey Kong, Wario, and Yoshi spin-off series."
2020-04-26 03:53:21	@Lakituthequick	for <whatever> 3D level
2020-04-26 03:53:24	Hooded_Pitohui	Because that one has a mechanic I've generally seen trashed
2020-04-26 03:53:31	@turb	you would need to slightly broaden the description but yeah b2f could probably count
2020-04-26 03:53:51	@Gabumon	I feel like this might be an apples to oranges situation
2020-04-26 03:53:56	@Lakituthequick	nope, luigi games don't count, 'ts in the definition guys
2020-04-26 03:53:59	@Gabumon	but idk
2020-04-26 03:54:12	@Lakituthequick	(might want to add that if needed)
2020-04-26 03:54:26	@turb	is there even a 3d yoshi gam
2020-04-26 03:54:28	@turb	e
2020-04-26 03:54:29	+Smasher	im not sure yet
2020-04-26 03:54:33	+Smasher	no i dont think so
2020-04-26 03:54:42	@Lakituthequick	lm is an entirely different sort of level yeah
2020-04-26 03:54:49	+Smasher	theres wario world and dk64 but i cant think of a 3d yoshi
2020-04-26 03:54:49	@turb	yeah
2020-04-26 03:54:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	in fairness
2020-04-26 03:54:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	we allow for wario and dk64
2020-04-26 03:55:03	Honoka_Chaosaka	and those play quite a bit differently
2020-04-26 03:55:16	@turb	wario world and dk64 are closer to main mario than lm is
2020-04-26 03:55:18	+Rose	I'm somewhat shocked there isn't DK64 in that poll
2020-04-26 03:55:18	@turb	in my opinion
2020-04-26 03:55:23	+Smasher	agreed with turb
2020-04-26 03:55:24	@Gabumon	they're still platformers
2020-04-26 03:55:37	+Smasher	and wario world and dk64 dont even have nominees anyway
2020-04-26 03:55:46	@Lakituthequick	platformer is quite the keyword
2020-04-26 03:55:57	+Smasher	personally, i feel like im leaning toward leaving this one as is
2020-04-26 03:56:03	Hooded_Pitohui	I mean, I can certainly see the case for not including it
2020-04-26 03:56:11	+Rose	But you can jump in Luigi's Mansion 3 :thonk:
2020-04-26 03:56:21	+Smasher	lm feels it might be too different to compare in this case
2020-04-26 03:56:33	@Gabumon	should probably put platformer into the definition
2020-04-26 03:56:41	@Anton{Politoed}	we do have an rpg award next
2020-04-26 03:56:48	@Anton{Politoed}	would it be easier to fit lm into that
2020-04-26 03:56:52	@turb	nah not at all
2020-04-26 03:56:57	@Gabumon	is lm3 an rpg
2020-04-26 03:57:04	@Lakituthequick	lm isn't exactly rpg is is
2020-04-26 03:57:06	@turb	it's definitely much farther removed from rpgs than it is from even the main series
2020-04-26 03:57:06	@Lakituthequick	*is it
2020-04-26 03:57:10	@turb	i think
2020-04-26 03:57:12	@Anton{Politoed}	no but if we're redefining then it's open
2020-04-26 03:57:13	@turb	if people want to add b2f
2020-04-26 03:57:28	@Gabumon	well
2020-04-26 03:57:32	@Lakituthequick	i think the gap is too big for redefining that
2020-04-26 03:57:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	lm is very removed from an rpg
2020-04-26 03:57:34	@turb	without redefinitions we would be best off trying to add whatever the floor mechanic is to worst game mechanic
2020-04-26 03:57:35	+Rose	"Worst RPG (and Luigi's Mansion 3) Area"
2020-04-26 03:57:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh!
2020-04-26 03:57:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah
2020-04-26 03:57:40	@Anton{Politoed}	but if it's closer to 3d then we could focus on that yeah
2020-04-26 03:57:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	that would probably work better
2020-04-26 03:57:42	@Gabumon	mario rpgs are pretty much dead, so I'm up for a rebranding
2020-04-26 03:57:49	@Anton{Politoed}	that too
2020-04-26 03:57:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	pitohui: is it a really bad /mechanic/
2020-04-26 03:57:55	@turb	yeah I'm fine with a rebranding
2020-04-26 03:57:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	one that we can just include in that award
2020-04-26 03:58:17	Hooded_Pitohui	Oh, I could see it qualifying for mechanic
2020-04-26 03:58:46	Hooded_Pitohui	It's basically floating on a tube you have to control with the Poltergust and it's very finnicky - think lily pads from Sunshine but you have to use it for a boss fight too
2020-04-26 03:58:47	+Smasher	i'd be more down for changing the rpg area award to a more general one for spinoffs than i would be for adding lm3 to this i think
2020-04-26 03:58:53	@Lakituthequick	rebranding or getting rid of f4 i wouldn't mind
2020-04-26 03:59:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think it sounds like that's something we could work into either mechanic or a reworked f4
2020-04-26 03:59:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	as the case may be
2020-04-26 03:59:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	i also would be okay for outright cutting f4 depending on stagnation
2020-04-26 03:59:29	@Anton{Politoed}	time is almost up so the gameplan is:
2020-04-26 03:59:51	@Anton{Politoed}	keep F3 as-is, fit the lm3 thing into worst mechanic, and look into reworking or removing f4 worst rpg level
2020-04-26 03:59:51	@Anton{Politoed}	?
2020-04-26 04:00:01	+Rose	👍
2020-04-26 04:00:05	Hooded_Pitohui	Sounds reasonable to me
2020-04-26 04:00:13	+Smasher	support
2020-04-26 04:00:15	Zange	sounds good
2020-04-26 04:00:23	@Lakituthequick	sounds good for consideration
2020-04-26 04:00:31	@Gabumon	luji
2020-04-26 04:00:42	@Anton{Politoed}	so for next week I'll be plopping a few threads into the staff board
2020-04-26 04:01:00	@Anton{Politoed}	it'll be some time later tomorrow but be sure to plop an idea into them if you have one as that's how we make progress for next meeting
2020-04-26 04:02:55	+Rose	Good work team
2020-04-26 04:03:05	<--	Zange (Mibbit@207.199.xqs.ls) has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
2020-04-26 04:03:31	+Rose	Now I have to get back to rebutting Pitohui for the third time
2020-04-26 04:04:02	+Smasher	exciting
2020-04-26 04:04:09	Hooded_Pitohui	Go vote for Spade, all of you
2020-04-26 04:04:15	Hooded_Pitohui	Let the thread speak for itself
2020-04-26 04:04:20	@Lakituthequick	adjourned?
2020-04-26 04:04:52	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah