2020-05-16 02:00:34	@Anton{Politoed}	welcome to another welcome to another ac meeting
2020-05-16 02:00:48	@Anton{Politoed}	where we talk about awards and committees in a meeting
2020-05-16 02:00:52	 *	Smasher screams in
2020-05-16 02:00:55	nico	nicoshake
2020-05-16 02:01:18	Pitohui	We're talking about awards? Dang, I thought we were a committee of vultures.
2020-05-16 02:02:06	@Anton{Politoed}	today we're starting the community awards, likely finishing it up barring some final things that can be done in the staff board
2020-05-16 02:02:16	@Anton{Politoed}	then talking about tournaments as necessary, and prepping for the complete review
2020-05-16 02:02:41	@Anton{Politoed}	pitohui has prepared a lot of notes that basically puts all of the decisions right in the open to be discussed and decided upon
2020-05-16 02:03:03	@Anton{Politoed}	as it turns out, the images of the notes are attachments and I cannot share them myself, so
2020-05-16 02:03:26	@Anton{Politoed}	if possible pitohui can you post up the suggested changes as I work through each award here
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2020-05-16 02:04:02	Pitohui	I can do that, or, i have it pulled up, I could copy-paste it into a google doc for you if you want to share that with a link
2020-05-16 02:04:04	@Anton{Politoed}	and also, before we start, does anyone have questions as to what the community awards are and how they differ from Mario and Fail
2020-05-16 02:05:05	+Smasher	i do not
2020-05-16 02:05:37	@Lakituthequick	n
2020-05-16 02:05:44	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8
2020-05-16 02:06:16	@Anton{Politoed}	F1 Favorite Active 'Shroom Writer (Anton, Superchao, Hooded Pitohui, Lakituthequick, Raregold, Meta Knight, BBQ Turtle, LudwigVon, The Pyro Guy, Yoshi876, Alex95, Chibiki Daisy, Mariofan169, Quizmelon, Stargazing, Marshal Dan Troop, MsRetroGeek)
2020-05-16 02:06:20	@Anton{Politoed}	C1 i mean but _
2020-05-16 02:06:30	Pitohui	REMOVE: Raregold, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Mariofan169, Stargazing, Marshal Dan Troop, MsRetroGeeky
2020-05-16 02:06:52	Pitohui	ADD: Mankoops, MrConcreteDonkey, FunkyK38, Coffee, Shy Guy on Wheels, winstein, Magolor04726, GPM1000, TENTATIVE ADD:  Lord Bowser, Goombuigi
2020-05-16 02:06:58	Pitohui	Please note that we would be two over
2020-05-16 02:07:03	Pitohui	if we added everyone
2020-05-16 02:07:12	Pitohui	So we need to pick two of these people to not add
2020-05-16 02:07:13	@Lakituthequick	(not going to post results here for the most if not all bits)
2020-05-16 02:07:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	is l b writing??
2020-05-16 02:07:16	@Anton{Politoed}	a lot of these awards are pretty straightforward and only really need doublechecking for acceptance
2020-05-16 02:07:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	*lb
2020-05-16 02:07:21	Pitohui	News Flush
2020-05-16 02:07:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh right
2020-05-16 02:08:01	Pitohui	Tentative just means they're not up to three issues and only started recently, so we aren't sure they'll stick on, but
2020-05-16 02:08:49	Pitohui	Oh, also, this was mostly for LTQ but also
2020-05-16 02:08:50	Pitohui	CHANGE: Chibiki Daisy => Zange, LudwigVon => NinjaSquid
2020-05-16 02:09:04	@Anton{Politoed}	with our newfound ability to go over 18, I feel that community awards are something we can do that for
2020-05-16 02:09:11	@Anton{Politoed}	but I don't want to push it too far
2020-05-16 02:09:35	@turb	i think 20 isn't too far ahead
2020-05-16 02:09:45	+Smasher	i can live with 20
2020-05-16 02:09:47	@turb	imo getting to like 23-25 nominees for something would be kinda _
2020-05-16 02:09:47	+Rose	I'm content with adding all proposed additions
2020-05-16 02:10:09	Pitohui	If we're going over 18, I think 20's a fine number, so we can add them wholesale
2020-05-16 02:10:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	i can't really think of anyone to fairly cut
2020-05-16 02:10:27	@Anton{Politoed}	also isn't there a document that keeps track of all of writing history
2020-05-16 02:10:33	@Anton{Politoed}	we may need to reference that
2020-05-16 02:10:59	Pitohui	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HXTtvO2DPRj4mHWFfckBtHpPI1TAwOjKmNkuT0VNm0E/edit#gid=1506752422
2020-05-16 02:11:21	Pitohui	Little behind, right now, it looks like
2020-05-16 02:12:30	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm ok with accepting all of the removes and adds
2020-05-16 02:12:56	+Smasher	same
2020-05-16 02:13:14	@Lakituthequick	same
2020-05-16 02:13:22	Zange	same
2020-05-16 02:13:36	@Anton{Politoed}	likely the case for all of these:
2020-05-16 02:13:37	@turb	same
2020-05-16 02:13:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	same
2020-05-16 02:13:45	+Smasher	same
2020-05-16 02:13:53	@Anton{Politoed}	a more thorough doublechecking can take place with the complete review as people have time to do their own checking of accuracy
2020-05-16 02:13:56	@Lakituthequick	I'll end up verifying any small spelling mistakes that might occur when I'm compiling my lists
2020-05-16 02:15:04	@Anton{Politoed}	C2 Favorite Retired 'Shroom Writer (Walkazo, Mr. Edo, Super Mario Bros., Stooben, Toadbert101, Baby Luigi, Crocodile Dippy, Time Turner, Paper_Yoshi, Andymii, Shokora, Lord Bowser, Roserade, PowerKamek, DragonFreak, Tucayo, YKMR3000, Luigi 64DD)
2020-05-16 02:15:23	Pitohui	REMOVE (DEFINITE): Lord Bowser
2020-05-16 02:15:29	Pitohui	REMOVE (ONE FOR EACH ADDITION AFTER FIRST): Super Mario Bros., Time Turner, Crocodile Dippy, Walkazo, Stooben, Baby Luigi, Toadbert101, Paper_Yoshi
2020-05-16 02:15:34	Pitohui	ADD: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Stargazing, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeeky, Parakoopa144
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2020-05-16 02:15:50	Pitohui	I don't know who recalls, but we came up with a system for this one last year
2020-05-16 02:15:50	Mariofan169	hello etc
2020-05-16 02:15:51	Pitohui	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/41000/
2020-05-16 02:15:56	Mariofan169	what’s our discussion rn
2020-05-16 02:15:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	community awards
2020-05-16 02:16:00	@Lakituthequick	c2
2020-05-16 02:16:03	Honoka_Chaosaka	retired shroom writer
2020-05-16 02:16:03	+Smasher	c2
2020-05-16 02:16:10	Pitohui	So it's basically cutting off older first as more people retire
2020-05-16 02:16:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	i definitely want to slice out dippy regardless
2020-05-16 02:16:16	Lord_Bowser	damn am i getting cancelled
2020-05-16 02:16:21	+Smasher		Anton{Politoed}	C2 Favorite Retired 'Shroom Writer (Walkazo, Mr. Edo, Super Mario Bros., Stooben, Toadbert101, Baby Luigi, Crocodile Dippy, Time Turner, Paper_Yoshi, Andymii, Shokora, Lord Bowser, Roserade, PowerKamek, DragonFreak, Tucayo, YKMR3000, Luigi 64DD)
2020-05-16 02:16:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	yes
2020-05-16 02:16:23	+Smasher		Pitohui	REMOVE (DEFINITE): Lord Bowser
2020-05-16 02:16:24	+Smasher		Pitohui	REMOVE (ONE FOR EACH ADDITION AFTER FIRST): Super Mario Bros., Time Turner, Crocodile Dippy, Walkazo, Stooben, Baby Luigi, Toadbert101, Paper_Yoshi
2020-05-16 02:16:26	+Smasher		Pitohui	ADD: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Stargazing, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeeky, Parakoopa144
2020-05-16 02:16:30	+Smasher	goodbye lb
2020-05-16 02:16:39	@Lakituthequick	you uncancelled yourself so we're cancelling you
2020-05-16 02:16:50	Mariofan169	damn i have a real shot this year, not contributing anything for half a month
2020-05-16 02:16:58	+Smasher	:scarymario:
2020-05-16 02:17:24	Mariofan169	also, are there any plans tonight about origami king
2020-05-16 02:17:29	@Anton{Politoed}	later
2020-05-16 02:17:31	Mariofan169	because boy am i dreading that
2020-05-16 02:17:32	+Smasher	later
2020-05-16 02:17:36	Mariofan169	figured
2020-05-16 02:17:41	Pitohui	So, I guess, to clarify, if we just add everyone who retired, we'd just get rid of everyone in my list
2020-05-16 02:17:43	@Anton{Politoed}	but tl;dr no because the game comes out after polls close
2020-05-16 02:17:58	+Smasher	oh that's right
2020-05-16 02:17:59	@Anton{Politoed}	I don't think I want to add everyone who retired
2020-05-16 02:18:00	Mariofan169	oh that’s convenient
2020-05-16 02:18:03	+Smasher	next year, then
2020-05-16 02:18:11	@Anton{Politoed}	and I also don't want to remove everyone from that remove list
2020-05-16 02:18:13	Pitohui	Also, this doesn't include banned folks who aren't in good standing
2020-05-16 02:18:21	@turb	i want to keep tb
2020-05-16 02:18:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah 'm not for a full replace/remove
2020-05-16 02:18:37	@Anton{Politoed}	I think this is something where longevity and impact means something
2020-05-16 02:18:53	@Anton{Politoed}	some of these people contributed a couple of sections and then vanished
2020-05-16 02:18:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	offhand
2020-05-16 02:19:02	+Smasher	i lasted three issues before life forced me off so im gonna say here that i dont care if im added
2020-05-16 02:19:05	@Anton{Politoed}	and I'd rather not put them in over someone people actually would vote for
2020-05-16 02:19:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd say mk, tpg, shoey, maybe mfan
2020-05-16 02:19:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	to add
2020-05-16 02:19:24	+Smasher	i agree with those fou
2020-05-16 02:19:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	also smasher i forgot you even wrote smashing reviews
2020-05-16 02:19:25	+Smasher	r
2020-05-16 02:19:26	Mariofan169	honestly i can live without being in this poll
2020-05-16 02:19:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	sorry
2020-05-16 02:19:28	Mariofan169	Oh
2020-05-16 02:19:29	Pitohui	I do have an alternate list where I tried to take that into account, if it would help - little more subjective
2020-05-16 02:19:33	+Smasher	it's ok
2020-05-16 02:19:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	as for cutting
2020-05-16 02:19:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd say imo
2020-05-16 02:19:41	+Smasher	i wanted to last longer but it didn't work out
2020-05-16 02:19:42	+Rose	I'd like to see that one @ pito
2020-05-16 02:19:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	paper yoshi, dippy, stooben
2020-05-16 02:19:46	Honoka_Chaosaka	not sure of the fourth
2020-05-16 02:19:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	that also works
2020-05-16 02:19:53	Pitohui	But I'm okay with this plan because, really, I'd rather have done a pick and choose than the timeline
2020-05-16 02:20:04	+Smasher	lb for the fourth
2020-05-16 02:20:06	+Rose	You can cut me
2020-05-16 02:20:11	+Smasher	since he's not canceled anymore
2020-05-16 02:20:14	+Rose	I wrote like four sections maybe
2020-05-16 02:20:18	@Anton{Politoed}	did star do any other sections than the critic corner one
2020-05-16 02:20:29	Zange	i dont believe so?
2020-05-16 02:20:30	Pitohui	No
2020-05-16 02:20:31	@turb	not to my knowledge
2020-05-16 02:20:36	@Anton{Politoed}	if so, I'd rather not have star in this
2020-05-16 02:20:37	+Smasher	don't think so
2020-05-16 02:20:42	@Anton{Politoed}	it was 2 sections and then literally disappeared
2020-05-16 02:20:47	Mariofan169	if you can’t find a fourth remove i don’t really have to be added
2020-05-16 02:21:00	Mariofan169	i forgot my exact number of write ups but it’s less than 10
2020-05-16 02:21:13	Pitohui	My original suggestion list for first-level cuts was: REMOVE: Lord Bowser, Time Turner, Baby Luigi, DragonFreak, Shokora, Stooben, Crocodile Dippy, again, only cutting as it was needed to add
2020-05-16 02:21:26	Pitohui	with no real order, there
2020-05-16 02:21:32	@Anton{Politoed}	df is never coming back so I think she's a solid cut
2020-05-16 02:22:01	@Anton{Politoed}	like I mean
2020-05-16 02:22:05	Pitohui	Yeah, I personally lean towards DF, Stooben, Dippy, probably Shokora if we need the extra slot?
2020-05-16 02:22:07	@Anton{Politoed}	she's removed herself from the community
2020-05-16 02:22:31	@Anton{Politoed}	so I think her interest in being included in this would be incredibly low
2020-05-16 02:23:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	makes sense to me
2020-05-16 02:23:23	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so with lb auto-removed, we're at 17
2020-05-16 02:23:43	@Anton{Politoed}		Pitohui	ADD: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Stargazing, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeeky, Parakoopa144
2020-05-16 02:23:48	Honoka_Chaosaka	i stand by cutting doof, stooben, and dippy at minimum
2020-05-16 02:23:55	@Anton{Politoed}	taking that, minus star, we're at 25
2020-05-16 02:24:05	@Anton{Politoed}	are we ok with this add list before we consider any further removals
2020-05-16 02:24:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	i don't think raregold or parakoopa need to be added
2020-05-16 02:24:20	Pitohui	I think there's a case to not add Rare, as well
2020-05-16 02:24:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	both barely existed as writers
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2020-05-16 02:24:31	@Anton{Politoed}	didn't pk do a strategy wing section
2020-05-16 02:24:32	+Rose	Didn't he write a bunch of Selling Out
2020-05-16 02:24:36	Pitohui	He's self-admittedly moved on from the community, mostly
2020-05-16 02:24:36	@Anton{Politoed}	or am I just confusing two people as one
2020-05-16 02:24:37	+Rose	Or am I mistakenly
2020-05-16 02:24:40	+Rose	*mistaken
2020-05-16 02:24:41	Pitohui	PK did a SW
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2020-05-16 02:24:43	+Rose	Nice Anton
2020-05-16 02:24:54	Pitohui	That got moved to CC for, like, one edition before he left
2020-05-16 02:25:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh no i forgot selling out
2020-05-16 02:25:07	+Smasher	im ok with being on but im not pushing for myself because i didnt do enough
2020-05-16 02:25:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	i just remembered shroom recap
2020-05-16 02:25:11	+Rose	Rare still chimes in from time to time though. How many sections did he write
2020-05-16 02:25:32	Pitohui	This is the one award that's a little less straightforward
2020-05-16 02:25:38	@Anton{Politoed}	unless raregold explicitly says that he does not want to be included, which is a valid thing to do regarding community award nominations, I think he's a fine add
2020-05-16 02:25:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah i just forgot he did a lot of selling out
2020-05-16 02:25:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's on me
2020-05-16 02:25:51	+Smasher	also i support the doof, stooben, and dippy cuts
2020-05-16 02:26:02	@Anton{Politoed}	I have 1 section from pk in cc
2020-05-16 02:26:04	@Anton{Politoed}	how much was in sw
2020-05-16 02:26:10	+Smasher	i do think selling out is enough to warrant a raregold add
2020-05-16 02:26:15	Pitohui	I mean, I'm fine with him being added, otherwise I wouldn't have put him on the list - so it works for me
2020-05-16 02:26:36	Pitohui	I'll check the SW Track Record real quick but he did a good few
2020-05-16 02:26:56	@Anton{Politoed}	I remember it getting votes for ssotm as well?
2020-05-16 02:27:06	Pitohui	he did 7
2020-05-16 02:27:09	Pitohui	And yeah, it did
2020-05-16 02:27:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh wow
2020-05-16 02:27:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	i thought he did like
2020-05-16 02:27:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	3
2020-05-16 02:27:15	Pitohui	I'd keep him
2020-05-16 02:27:27	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so
2020-05-16 02:27:39	@Anton{Politoed}	ADD: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeeky, Parakoopa144
2020-05-16 02:27:46	@Anton{Politoed}	is this ok
2020-05-16 02:27:51	@turb	I'm fine with it
2020-05-16 02:27:53	Pitohui	Looks fine to me
2020-05-16 02:27:55	Zange	fine with me
2020-05-16 02:28:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	sounds good
2020-05-16 02:28:06	+Smasher	i'm fine with it
2020-05-16 02:28:10	@Lakituthequick	MsRetroGeek without -y but otherwise yes, i agree
2020-05-16 02:28:18	Mariofan168	wwwwelp
2020-05-16 02:28:19	Mariofan168	sure
2020-05-16 02:28:35	+Rose	Ye
2020-05-16 02:28:40	@Anton{Politoed}	so we're at 25
2020-05-16 02:28:49	@Anton{Politoed}	we need to remove 7
2020-05-16 02:29:40	@Anton{Politoed}		Pitohui	REMOVE (ONE FOR EACH ADDITION AFTER FIRST): Super Mario Bros., Time Turner, Crocodile Dippy, Walkazo, Stooben, Baby Luigi, Toadbert101, Paper_Yoshi
2020-05-16 02:29:47	@Anton{Politoed}	that's 8
2020-05-16 02:29:53	@Anton{Politoed}	are we keeping tb
2020-05-16 02:29:56	+Smasher	don't forget lb
2020-05-16 02:29:56	Pitohui	Now, that's the timeline list
2020-05-16 02:29:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	i want to keep tb
2020-05-16 02:30:00	@turb	I'd like to keep tb
2020-05-16 02:30:01	+Rose	I disagree with the Tb cut, at the least
2020-05-16 02:30:02	@Anton{Politoed}	lb was already counted
2020-05-16 02:30:03	+Smasher	i want to keep tb as well
2020-05-16 02:30:06	+Smasher	oh ok
2020-05-16 02:30:23	Zange	keep tb
2020-05-16 02:30:24	Pitohui	I can put my full alternate list in, which is more based on current relevancy, if you want
2020-05-16 02:30:32	@Anton{Politoed}	we can at least see it, sure
2020-05-16 02:30:34	@turb	i honestly cannot remember a single section any of the other people wrote no offense
2020-05-16 02:30:42	+Rose	^
2020-05-16 02:30:43	@turb	like i guess that's bias
2020-05-16 02:30:47	@Lakituthequick	TB did quite a bit of FN so wouln't be opposed keeping him
2020-05-16 02:30:55	Pitohui	Time Turner, DragonFreak, Shokora, Stooben, Crocodile Dippy, Paper_Yoshi, PowerKamek
2020-05-16 02:30:58	@turb	but tb's retired section has stuck out to me for how consistently he did fake ads over a matter of years
2020-05-16 02:31:08	@Anton{Politoed}	there's some validity in that as tb continues to have relevant activity in the community
2020-05-16 02:31:16	@Anton{Politoed}	once someone is no longer here there's no active memory of them
2020-05-16 02:31:23	@Lakituthequick	Walkazo wrote Little Mario, BLOF did some modding, otherwise no idea either
2020-05-16 02:31:28	Pitohui	Yeah, this other list is basically "people who've moved on completely"
2020-05-16 02:31:39	@Anton{Politoed}	oh yeah df
2020-05-16 02:32:05	@Anton{Politoed}	alright so let me just grab what's left
2020-05-16 02:32:21	@Anton{Politoed}	Walkazo, Mr. Edo, Super Mario Bros., Stooben, Toadbert101, Baby Luigi, Crocodile Dippy, Time Turner, Paper_Yoshi, Andymii, Shokora, Roserade, PowerKamek, DragonFreak, Tucayo, YKMR3000, Luigi 64DD,
2020-05-16 02:32:23	@Anton{Politoed}	so we can see it all
2020-05-16 02:32:29	@Anton{Politoed}	out of that list, 7 need to be removed
2020-05-16 02:33:28	@Anton{Politoed}	walkazo, smb, stoob, dippy, time turner, dragonfreak, paper_yoshi
2020-05-16 02:33:37	@Anton{Politoed}	we can absolutely remove more, but that's the necessary amount
2020-05-16 02:33:43	Mariofan168	andymii, stoob, df, ykmr, time turner, paper yoshi
2020-05-16 02:33:43	@Anton{Politoed}	are there any objections to those 7
2020-05-16 02:33:52	Mariofan168	~~and rose out of pure spite~~
2020-05-16 02:33:55	+Rose	I'm happy with Anton's suggestion
2020-05-16 02:33:56	@turb	no objections on my part
2020-05-16 02:34:02	Pitohui	The only one I'd object to is SMB
2020-05-16 02:34:09	@Anton{Politoed}	who would you suggest in his place
2020-05-16 02:34:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	i don't remember what ykmr3000 even wrote
2020-05-16 02:34:11	+Smasher	smb is still around
2020-05-16 02:34:17	@turb	smb is only vaguely around
2020-05-16 02:34:23	@turb	i don't remember what either of them wrote
2020-05-16 02:34:25	@Lakituthequick	calendar?
2020-05-16 02:34:26	@turb	i don't have a strong opinion
2020-05-16 02:34:31	Pitohui	PowerKamek?
2020-05-16 02:34:34	+Rose	Is that who did calendar
2020-05-16 02:34:35	Honoka_Chaosaka	i remember smb for writing various special sections
2020-05-16 02:34:39	@Anton{Politoed}	ykmr did a fake news section that fared well
2020-05-16 02:34:46	Honoka_Chaosaka	OH right the game guy
2020-05-16 02:34:49	+Smasher	i don't really remember much about powerkamek
2020-05-16 02:34:58	@turb	powerkamek did reviews
2020-05-16 02:35:03	@Lakituthequick	Oh, Fake Games, I remember that
2020-05-16 02:35:04	+Smasher	was he the guy that wrote really short reviews
2020-05-16 02:35:05	+Rose	I am still also an option for cutting if you'd like
2020-05-16 02:35:07	Pitohui	SMB feels like someone who's not around but lasted so long as to still be notable
2020-05-16 02:35:27	+Smasher	that won a bunch of fan votes for being positive mario reviews
2020-05-16 02:35:42	@Lakituthequick	I do agree with the SMB point, but also won't defend him
2020-05-16 02:35:54	+Smasher	id probably be more in favor of cutting pk than smb
2020-05-16 02:36:00	+Smasher	but i wont fight for it
2020-05-16 02:36:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah smasher
2020-05-16 02:36:22	Zange	i agree with smasher, yea
2020-05-16 02:36:24	@Anton{Politoed}	for what it's worth, powerkamek received 0 votes last year for this award
2020-05-16 02:36:25	Mariofan168	why walkazo, out of curiosity
2020-05-16 02:36:26	Mariofan168	does it having something to do with wanting to give other nominees a chance at first place?
2020-05-16 02:36:28	@Anton{Politoed}	smb got 1
2020-05-16 02:36:35	@Anton{Politoed}	time
2020-05-16 02:37:07	@Anton{Politoed}	and also for what it's more worth, community awards tend to become polarized, so people will often get incredibly low amounts of votes, or none at all
2020-05-16 02:37:18	@Anton{Politoed}	much more polarized than mario and fail
2020-05-16 02:37:22	@Lakituthequick	13) Stooben - 1 - 1.54%
2020-05-16 02:37:22	@Lakituthequick	13) Super Mario Bros. - 1 - 1.54%
2020-05-16 02:37:22	@Lakituthequick	13) YKMR3000 - 1 - 1.54%
2020-05-16 02:37:22	@Lakituthequick	16) Paper_Yoshi - 0 - 0.00%
2020-05-16 02:37:22	@Lakituthequick	16) Powerkamek - 0 - 0.00%
2020-05-16 02:37:22	@Lakituthequick	16) Time Turner - 0 - 0.00%
2020-05-16 02:37:49	@Lakituthequick	(12 is dippy who is already on the chopping plank)
2020-05-16 02:37:50	@Anton{Politoed}	walkazo, powerkamek, stoob, dippy, time turner, dragonfreak, paper_yoshi
2020-05-16 02:37:56	@Anton{Politoed}	is my updated minimum list
2020-05-16 02:38:03	+Rose	Gr8
2020-05-16 02:38:05	Pitohui	I like that
2020-05-16 02:38:09	@turb	no problems here
2020-05-16 02:38:11	@Lakituthequick	yes
2020-05-16 02:38:13	Zange	im fine with cutting all them
2020-05-16 02:38:14	+Smasher	i'll support that
2020-05-16 02:38:34	@Anton{Politoed}	but I will acknowledge this
2020-05-16 02:38:39	@Anton{Politoed}	walkazo is indeed a tough cut
2020-05-16 02:38:45	@Anton{Politoed}	given the circumstances
2020-05-16 02:38:55	@Anton{Politoed}	but time does move forward
2020-05-16 02:39:05	+Smasher	yeah...
2020-05-16 02:39:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's a good list for me
2020-05-16 02:39:25	+Smasher	part of me feels bad but time moves on
2020-05-16 02:39:37	@Anton{Politoed}	she did receive a good amount of votes, so if anyone would feel more comfortable if we went with someone else, we can address it again next year
2020-05-16 02:39:45	@Anton{Politoed}	but it will have to be addressed eventually
2020-05-16 02:39:55	@Lakituthequick	gee, it's been over four years already
2020-05-16 02:40:01	@Lakituthequick	it's weird
2020-05-16 02:40:23	+Smasher	i guess if we were to keep her i might pick one of the one vote people but i dont know
2020-05-16 02:40:46	@turb	that would lead us back to smb or ykmr
2020-05-16 02:40:51	+Smasher	yeah
2020-05-16 02:41:03	Pitohui	I agree that it's hard, and I don't much like it myself, but I feel like there is a time factor that makes this a valid decision
2020-05-16 02:41:07	@Anton{Politoed}	I would prefer to keep them
2020-05-16 02:41:34	@turb	i don't really know how to word this but like
2020-05-16 02:41:38	@turb	the write in box will always  be present
2020-05-16 02:41:50	+Smasher	as unfortunate as it is i do think its valid to cut walkazo at this point, even though i feel bad for it
2020-05-16 02:42:03	@turb	she's not going to become ineligible for the award through our removing her, should people still want to write her in
2020-05-16 02:42:12	@Lakituthequick	per
2020-05-16 02:42:24	+Rose	That's my feeling too
2020-05-16 02:42:35	Honoka_Chaosaka	pretty much
2020-05-16 02:42:40	@Anton{Politoed}	if this is what we agree upon, then I will move on
2020-05-16 02:42:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	this is something we have to do eventually
2020-05-16 02:42:43	Pitohui	Per turb
2020-05-16 02:42:45	Honoka_Chaosaka	might as well do it now
2020-05-16 02:42:54	Zange	per everyone, honestly
2020-05-16 02:42:59	@Anton{Politoed}	C3 Favorite Artist (Mr. Edo, Neptune, Toadbert101, Smg2daisy, Lakituthequick, Anton, The Pyro Guy, Fawfulthegreat64, GBAToad, Turboo, Koops, BBQ Turtle, Hooded Pitohui, Raregold, Doc von Schmeltwick)
2020-05-16 02:43:08	Pitohui	REMOVE: Raregold, Hooded Pitohui, Neptune
2020-05-16 02:43:14	Pitohui	ADD: ZelenPixel, Roserade, Magolor04726
2020-05-16 02:43:20	Pitohui	ALTERNATIVES: Moldomré, Kenny.png
2020-05-16 02:43:24	Mariofan168	is schmeltwick a newbie
2020-05-16 02:43:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	wiki-focused
2020-05-16 02:43:35	@Lakituthequick	complete changes of c2:
2020-05-16 02:43:37	@Lakituthequick	Add: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeek, Parakoopa144
2020-05-16 02:43:37	@Lakituthequick	Remove: Lord Bowser, Walkazo, PowerKamek, Stooben, Crocodile Dippy, Time Turner, DragonFreak, Paper_Yoshi
2020-05-16 02:43:41	Pitohui	That last group is people we could add, but there might be some questions on
2020-05-16 02:43:46	+Rose	They have an art thread too though @ doc
2020-05-16 02:44:02	Pitohui	Yeah, Doc has an art thread and has actively posted in it this cycle
2020-05-16 02:44:15	Pitohui	The three removals have not actively made art this cycle as best I could tell
2020-05-16 02:44:16	@Anton{Politoed}	this award is at 15, btw, for what that means
2020-05-16 02:44:42	@Anton{Politoed}	the full remove/add would put us at 17
2020-05-16 02:44:43	Pitohui	Moldo mainly does recolors and things, so idk if people count that
2020-05-16 02:44:43	@Lakituthequick	doc von schmeltwick is not new
2020-05-16 02:44:44	+Smasher	im fine with the removal and original add proposals
2020-05-16 02:44:54	Pitohui	Kenny.png someone expressed concerns with to me earlier
2020-05-16 02:44:54	+Smasher	doc has been around a while
2020-05-16 02:44:55	@Anton{Politoed}	my only question is neptune
2020-05-16 02:45:08	@Lakituthequick	neptune pops up every now and then these days
2020-05-16 02:45:21	@Lakituthequick	declared his love of me on my profile the other day
2020-05-16 02:45:23	Pitohui	About whether or not he counts because his art is on Twitter, but imo, he posts in the Discord and he has a dinstinct style
2020-05-16 02:45:23	+Smasher	neptune's still vaguely active but does he still do art
2020-05-16 02:45:33	@Lakituthequick	but no art indeed
2020-05-16 02:45:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	i haven't seen new neptune art in a long time
2020-05-16 02:45:58	+Smasher	i like kenny's art if we're ok with discord users with twitter accounts
2020-05-16 02:45:59	@Anton{Politoed}	I think kenny counts as he's someone who's integrating into the community
2020-05-16 02:46:12	+Smasher	i'd lean in favor of him
2020-05-16 02:46:15	@Lakituthequick	Kenny is the M&L style drawings?
2020-05-16 02:46:16	@turb	to play devil's advocate
2020-05-16 02:46:19	@Anton{Politoed}	we've definitely had a lot of phenomenal artists pass by here but have not been considered for this award as they've essentially been drive-by advertisements
2020-05-16 02:46:20	@turb	does he post outside of fan stuff
2020-05-16 02:46:20	Pitohui	Yes, LTQ
2020-05-16 02:46:39	@turb	i'm not opposed to him but i feel like i only ever see him drive by and post his art in there
2020-05-16 02:46:40	@Anton{Politoed}	if we feel kenny has become part of the community, I will consider him
2020-05-16 02:46:40	@Lakituthequick	Wouldn't necessarily oppose him
2020-05-16 02:46:44	+Rose	He only ever posts his art in the discord from what I've seen
2020-05-16 02:46:57	Pitohui	He only posts his art in Discord, yeah
2020-05-16 02:46:58	+Rose	I don't think I've ever seen him have a conversation in any other channels
2020-05-16 02:47:09	+Rose	Or venues
2020-05-16 02:47:12	@turb	it's not so much the venue that he's doing it in, it's whether or not we consider him to be integrated into the community if all he does is plop his art in here
2020-05-16 02:47:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm neutral on kenny
2020-05-16 02:47:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	because - yeah
2020-05-16 02:47:47	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's not like if, say, one of those people who regularly talks on disocrd is posting art all of a suden
2020-05-16 02:47:59	+Smasher	as far as i can tell, he has posted outside of fan stuff
2020-05-16 02:48:02	+Smasher	exactly once
2020-05-16 02:48:10	+Rose	Nice
2020-05-16 02:48:15	@Lakituthequick	all of kenny's posts bar one in april and may is twitter links of his art
2020-05-16 02:48:35	Honoka_Chaosaka	then i'd say no
2020-05-16 02:48:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's not the venue, it's the nature of the posts
2020-05-16 02:48:41	@Anton{Politoed}	also as for people who are reading these logs, I'm well aware that the community award discussions do cast judgment on individuals who are real and here for the most part
2020-05-16 02:48:50	@Anton{Politoed}	dialogue is open should you want to add anything
2020-05-16 02:48:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	basically just drive-by art advertisements
2020-05-16 02:48:58	@Anton{Politoed}	and decisions are not final until the polls go up
2020-05-16 02:49:00	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's excellent art! but it's not really /community/ artist
2020-05-16 02:49:51	@Anton{Politoed}	I can see that
2020-05-16 02:49:55	+Smasher	that's a fair point
2020-05-16 02:50:45	@turb	C3 - Favorite Artist - This award recognizes some of the many artists in this community, each with unique talents, styles, and media.
2020-05-16 02:50:47	@turb	so idk
2020-05-16 02:50:49	@turb	could go either way
2020-05-16 02:50:56	@turb	don't want to hold the line too far up if people want to add him
2020-05-16 02:51:07	+Rose	I'm personally against his conclusion
2020-05-16 02:51:09	@Lakituthequick	i'm iffy considering above
2020-05-16 02:51:19	Zange	i personally wouldnt add him - at least not this year
2020-05-16 02:51:43	+Smasher	ill switch to no based on the points made
2020-05-16 02:51:55	@Lakituthequick	force him to do an awards presentation and then add him next year
2020-05-16 02:51:57	@Anton{Politoed}	so, remove: raregold, pitohui, neptune  ----- add: zelen, roserade, magolor, moldomré
2020-05-16 02:51:59	@Anton{Politoed}	i agree
2020-05-16 02:52:05	+Rose	Good choice LTQ
2020-05-16 02:52:06	@Anton{Politoed}	everyone should do a presentation
2020-05-16 02:52:26	Pitohui	I agree with that
2020-05-16 02:52:48	@Lakituthequick	help what does moldomré do again
2020-05-16 02:53:07	Pitohui	Recolors, Minecraft packs
2020-05-16 02:53:24	+Smasher	shrug
2020-05-16 02:53:25	Pitohui	Depends on what we're calling "art" but it's visual stuff he makes, so, idk
2020-05-16 02:53:41	+Smasher	he's definitely a member of the community so just depends on if yall want to count that
2020-05-16 02:53:42	@Anton{Politoed}	examples are posted in the dossier
2020-05-16 02:53:44	@Anton{Politoed}	voters can decide
2020-05-16 02:53:56	+Smasher	id lean for though
2020-05-16 02:54:13	@turb	i mean why not
2020-05-16 02:54:30	@turb	he fits the bill of community artist
2020-05-16 02:54:33	@turb	list is good
2020-05-16 02:54:44	@Lakituthequick	looking at their thread ( https://www.marioboards.com/threads/41005/ ) there are a few neat minecraft screenshots so i'm not against too much
2020-05-16 02:54:59	+Rose	I'm in favor of adding
2020-05-16 02:55:18	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8
2020-05-16 02:55:25	@Anton{Politoed}	are there any other considerations for c3
2020-05-16 02:55:33	Pitohui	None that I have
2020-05-16 02:55:59	+Smasher	i think we're good
2020-05-16 02:56:11	@Anton{Politoed}	C4 Favorite 2019 Awards Presentation  https://www.marioboards.com/threads/42379/
2020-05-16 02:56:19	@Anton{Politoed}	if you haven't added any suggestions to here, now is the time
2020-05-16 02:56:32	@Anton{Politoed}	once the meeting is over I will create the poll which will decide by next meeting what the nominees will be
2020-05-16 02:56:36	+Rose	Wait actually hold on a sec
2020-05-16 02:56:53	 *	Lakituthequick grabs the table
2020-05-16 02:56:53	+Rose	For C3, are we only considering visual art
2020-05-16 02:57:01	+Rose	I assume yes but I just want to make certain
2020-05-16 02:57:01	@Anton{Politoed}	historically no
2020-05-16 02:57:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	historically no
2020-05-16 02:57:12	@Lakituthequick	there was music on there once i believe
2020-05-16 02:57:13	Pitohui	Yeah, we've had other forms in the past
2020-05-16 02:57:17	@Anton{Politoed}	we've included s2d's music before
2020-05-16 02:57:18	Pitohui	MeritC with music, iirc
2020-05-16 02:57:20	+Rose	Well, Zange sang like three covers for awards last year
2020-05-16 02:57:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	martini also had music
2020-05-16 02:57:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh, that's a good point
2020-05-16 02:57:29	@Lakituthequick	Zange is a good one
2020-05-16 02:57:31	Pitohui	Oh, Zange is a good point
2020-05-16 02:57:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd be down for adding her
2020-05-16 02:57:47	@Anton{Politoed}	is this something zange would want beyond a C4 consideration instead
2020-05-16 02:57:49	+Rose	Also
2020-05-16 02:58:02	Zange	does this mean i get to make a music thread now /s
2020-05-16 02:58:04	@Lakituthequick	Zange is right here so
2020-05-16 02:58:26	+Rose	Oh no I lied
2020-05-16 02:58:33	+Rose	Sorry I missed another name on the original ballot ignore me
2020-05-16 02:58:59	@Lakituthequick	(Depends on if you want to share covers you did off-site as well re: thread)
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2020-05-16 02:59:29	Zange	honestly if y'all wanna add me for c3, add me, i dont really mind either way
2020-05-16 02:59:29	@Lakituthequick	but are you opposed to being on c3
2020-05-16 02:59:39	@Anton{Politoed}	alright let's do it then
2020-05-16 02:59:43	+Rose	Neat
2020-05-16 02:59:45	@Lakituthequick	yes
2020-05-16 02:59:47	Pitohui	Good call
2020-05-16 02:59:55	+Smasher	ok yeah i support zange, forgot about that
2020-05-16 03:00:09	@turb	:thumbsup:
2020-05-16 03:01:05	@Anton{Politoed}	is everyone doing C4
2020-05-16 03:01:11	+Rose	It's a shame we missed our chance to add the guy that made that Super Sonic theme
2020-05-16 03:01:19	@Anton{Politoed}	I've made it very convenient to look things up
2020-05-16 03:01:37	@Lakituthequick	I threw my stuff on there
2020-05-16 03:01:40	Pitohui	You all should do C4 because it's a blast reading these presentations again
2020-05-16 03:01:48	@Lakituthequick	Expectation vs. reality marking the important things
2020-05-16 03:01:49	@turb	basically all my suggestions off the top of my head were already shat in
2020-05-16 03:02:05	+Rose	God it was so hard to choose
2020-05-16 03:02:27	@Anton{Politoed}	C5 Wiki Contributor Award 2019 (2257, Alex95, Baby Luigi, BBQ Turtle, Doc von Schmeltwick, Glowsquid, L151, LuigiMaster123, Mario jc, Mister Wu, Bye Guy, TheFlameChomp, Time Turner, Toadette the Achiever, Wildgoosespeeder, LinkTheLefty, EDShoot, Yoshi the SSM)
2020-05-16 03:02:28	@Lakituthequick	it's only just began ,you need to choose a bunch again
2020-05-16 03:02:48	Pitohui	I don't have notes on these because we're waiting on input from Wiki Staff
2020-05-16 03:03:10	@Anton{Politoed}	are there any nazis on this list
2020-05-16 03:03:12	@turb	this is the part where i admit last week fucked me and i forgot to gear up a large discussion on this instead of sort of plopping it in the wiki discord and letting them know to drop opinions in
2020-05-16 03:03:16	Zange	yeah anything i wouldve suggested already has been so
2020-05-16 03:03:20	@Lakituthequick	shout out to Moe-Eye for good edit summaries
2020-05-16 03:03:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	boy am i glad we found out about trig and killed him before all this started
2020-05-16 03:03:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	it woulda been super awkward had that happened later
2020-05-16 03:03:32	@turb	when it's done i'll drop it straight in the awards staff board
2020-05-16 03:03:43	@Anton{Politoed}	if C5 is not ready we can pick it back up by next meeting as a quickie alongside C4
2020-05-16 03:03:49	@Anton{Politoed}	sounds gr8
2020-05-16 03:03:51	Pitohui	Doomhiker and Moe-Eye are the only ones that spring to mind, but I think it's best to wait
2020-05-16 03:03:56	@turb	aside from doomhiker being a proposed addition moe-eye and stuff - yeah
2020-05-16 03:04:17	@turb	I know that several wiki staff have posts ready to make about this so it should be a really quick thing alongside c4 next week
2020-05-16 03:04:23	+Rose	Shout-out to Doomhiker, what a good guy
2020-05-16 03:04:27	@turb	as far as i know the only nazi was trig
2020-05-16 03:04:31	@turb	and he died
2020-05-16 03:04:40	@Anton{Politoed}	any nazi apologists
2020-05-16 03:04:40	Pitohui	Started from the bottom stealing everyone's coins in KG and now he's here
2020-05-16 03:04:41	@Lakituthequick	(I don't know the quality of Moe-Eye's actual edits plus they're not that frequent to take that with a grain of salt)
2020-05-16 03:04:53	@Lakituthequick	(to = *so)
2020-05-16 03:05:16	+Rose	Well
2020-05-16 03:05:25	Pitohui	I don't know any of these people to be Nazi apologists off the top of my head
2020-05-16 03:05:27	@turb	not as far as i can tell
2020-05-16 03:05:31	@Anton{Politoed}	that's good
2020-05-16 03:05:36	+Rose	Hold on
2020-05-16 03:05:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	not from that list
2020-05-16 03:05:52	+Rose	You can continue forward but I'm gonna check something
2020-05-16 03:06:12	Lord_Bowser	can i just say its definitely a bruh moment that thats a question being unironically asked in this context
2020-05-16 03:06:13	Zange	as far as im aware, no
2020-05-16 03:06:25	@Anton{Politoed}	the next one requires intense and focused attention so we may need you
2020-05-16 03:06:26	@Anton{Politoed}	C6 Favorite 'Shroom Team (Fake News, Fun Stuff, Palette Swap, Pipe Plaza, Critic Corner, Strategy Wing)
2020-05-16 03:06:38	@turb	can we move this one to the forums
2020-05-16 03:06:42	@turb	i don't think it'll be done tonight
2020-05-16 03:06:43	@Lakituthequick	it's an amazing quote i'm unfortunatly not using
2020-05-16 03:06:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think this one should just be moved to next meeting
2020-05-16 03:07:03	Pitohui	I have no changes [s]unless someone's really angry at the lack of Spotlight representation and wants to change the whole award[/s]
2020-05-16 03:07:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	it'll take the whole time
2020-05-16 03:07:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	i have a change
2020-05-16 03:07:11	+Smasher	i think we need to make at least 20 changes to this award
2020-05-16 03:07:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	removing all the teams
2020-05-16 03:07:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	because i'm going to delete all teams
2020-05-16 03:07:18	@Anton{Politoed}	C7 Favorite 'Shroom Core Staff (MrConcreteDonkey, Yoshi876, FunkyK38, Superchao, Mr. Edo, 2257, Tucayo, Turboo, Anton, Meta Knight, Lord Bowser, LudwigVon, The Pyro Guy, Lakituthequick, Hooded Pitohui, Roserade, MsRetroGeek, Raregold)
2020-05-16 03:07:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	*laughs evilly*
2020-05-16 03:07:29	Pitohui	REMOVE: Raregold, MsRetroGeeky, Tucayo
2020-05-16 03:07:30	@Lakituthequick	making jokes about this award taking a long time takes more time than I expected it would
2020-05-16 03:07:35	Pitohui	ADD: Doomhiker, Zange, Smasher
2020-05-16 03:07:39	@Anton{Politoed}	this is another tough-to-remove-but-must-consider-time-and-relevancy award
2020-05-16 03:07:40	Pitohui	CHANGE: LudwigVon => NinjaSquid
2020-05-16 03:07:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	i support pito's list
2020-05-16 03:08:08	@Anton{Politoed}	that's a solid 1:1
2020-05-16 03:08:09	+Smasher	i also support pito's list
2020-05-16 03:08:13	@turb	as with every other year i don't remember what i actually did on the core staff
2020-05-16 03:08:15	Pitohui	Most everyone else on there is still regularly around, as far as I know
2020-05-16 03:08:17	@turb	i think i did some subdirector stuff
2020-05-16 03:08:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	i mostly remember you being my 2014 subdirector
2020-05-16 03:08:30	@turb	if i'm ever needed for a remove you have my permission, but it's looking like we should be fine this year
2020-05-16 03:08:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	becaus that was a real awkward time
2020-05-16 03:08:48	+Smasher	i think you're good for this year turb
2020-05-16 03:11:13	@Lakituthequick	i feared my wifi died
2020-05-16 03:11:15	@turb	alright well
2020-05-16 03:11:17	@turb	yeah
2020-05-16 03:11:28	@Anton{Politoed}	C8 Best 'Shroom Section Design (Ongoing Fan Projects (The Pyro Guy), New Articles (LudwigVon), Forum Update (MrConcreteDonkey), Community Report (LudwigVon), The 'Shroom Report (LudwigVon), DragonFreak's Review Quest (DragonFreak), Galactic Expedition (Meta Knight), Pokédex Power (Yoshi876), Dear Anton (Anton), Anniversary Announcements (Lakituthequick),
2020-05-16 03:11:28	@Anton{Politoed}	Poll Committee Discussion (9th Poll Committee), NIWA Spotlight (Alex95), Anton's Half-Baked Reviews (Anton), Mach Speed Mayhem (Superchao), Monthly Report (LudwigVon), Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight), Selling Out (Raregold), It's aMAZEing (Lakituthequick))
2020-05-16 03:11:38	@Anton{Politoed}	 C8 - Best 'Shroom Section Design - This award aims to acknowledge the writers who put care into making their 'Shroom sections visually appealing and well-crafted, whether through imagery, design, or wiki coding.
2020-05-16 03:11:39	@turb	i was dropping in a message to test before i saw that lol
2020-05-16 03:12:00	@Anton{Politoed}	so basically this award is a section that just looks visually appealing
2020-05-16 03:12:07	Pitohui	Gonna preamble that this one's complicated and these recs are based on current relevancy and age
2020-05-16 03:12:12	-->	GBAToad (uid221953@tl-430479.charlton.irccloud.com) has joined #mwikiawards
2020-05-16 03:12:16	Pitohui	REMOVE: Ongoing Fan Projects (The Pyro Guy), New Articles (LudwigVon), Forum Update (MrConcreteDonkey), Community Report (LudwigVon), The 'Shroom Report (LudwigVon), DragonFreak's Review Quest (DragonFreak), Galactic Expedition (Meta Knight),
2020-05-16 03:12:23	Pitohui	ADD: 'Shroom FM (MrConcreteDonkey), Koops, Your Emblem is on Fire (Mankoops), Drawn & Pressed (winstein), TV Tomorrow (Quizmelon)
2020-05-16 03:12:29	Pitohui	TENTATIVE ADD: News Flush (Lord Bowser)
2020-05-16 03:12:34	Pitohui	CHANGE:  Poll Committee Discussion (9th Poll Committee) => Poll Committee Discussion (10th Poll Committee)
2020-05-16 03:12:45	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm not seeing any immediate disagreements
2020-05-16 03:13:20	@Lakituthequick	mind the gap... er, comma in koops' section title
2020-05-16 03:13:23	+Smasher	i'm not strongly against any of these suggestions
2020-05-16 03:13:23	+Rose	Can I suggest a potential add to be Anagrams by BBQ Turtle, since she wiki codes Anagrams every time and it always looks great
2020-05-16 03:13:37	@Anton{Politoed}	oh that's something yeah
2020-05-16 03:13:47	+Smasher	"wiki coding" is listed there
2020-05-16 03:13:50	+Smasher	i support it
2020-05-16 03:13:53	@turb	sure
2020-05-16 03:14:06	Pitohui	I'd support it
2020-05-16 03:15:19	@Anton{Politoed}	so let's go with the removals first
2020-05-16 03:15:31	@Anton{Politoed}	are there any disagreements or proposals
2020-05-16 03:15:40	+Rose	I don't have either
2020-05-16 03:15:54	Pitohui	I have none
2020-05-16 03:15:58	@Lakituthequick	n
2020-05-16 03:16:07	+Smasher	i'm fine with pitohui's list
2020-05-16 03:16:43	@turb	all good here
2020-05-16 03:16:55	@Anton{Politoed}	that leaves us at 11
2020-05-16 03:16:58	<--	Zange (Mibbit@207.199.xqs.ls) has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
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2020-05-16 03:17:21	@Anton{Politoed}	add+tentative add makes it 16
2020-05-16 03:17:37	+Rose	Carmen Sandiego is another choice imo but I'm up in the air for it
2020-05-16 03:17:47	@Anton{Politoed}	out of the alternatives I would like to consider hot pot reviews
2020-05-16 03:17:53	Pitohui	Carmen Sandiego came up last year
2020-05-16 03:17:55	@Lakituthequick	I've fought CS before and will fight it again
2020-05-16 03:17:58	Pitohui	But the tables are wonky
2020-05-16 03:18:25	@Anton{Politoed}	being someone who also writes a lot with a bunch of images, it can be difficult formatting it all to look functional
2020-05-16 03:18:26	Pitohui	I can post my list of potential alternates, but, yes, Hot Pot Reviews is on there for consideration
2020-05-16 03:18:40	@Anton{Politoed}	and zange regularly does it well, along with adequate outside sources as needed
2020-05-16 03:18:43	@turb	hot pot reviews looks pretty good imo
2020-05-16 03:18:50	+Smasher	i like hot pot reviews
2020-05-16 03:18:54	@turb	i'd be opposed to carmen sandiego due to what we ran through with it the other year
2020-05-16 03:18:59	Pitohui	ALTERNATIVES: Hot Pot Reviews (Zange), Rising Sun Reviews (Mariofan169), Hiding Koopa (NinjaSquid), Rising Sun Reviews (Hooded Pitohui), Peddler's Place (Coffee)
2020-05-16 03:19:11	Pitohui	These were extras to consider and of them I'd be most supportive of Hot Pot
2020-05-16 03:19:26	+Rose	My preference is Hot Pot
2020-05-16 03:19:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	o'm down for hot pot
2020-05-16 03:20:05	+Smasher	support hot pot
2020-05-16 03:20:35	@Anton{Politoed}	that makes it 17
2020-05-16 03:21:01	+Rose	Picross is an option
2020-05-16 03:21:47	Pitohui	I'd support Picross, too, with Goombuigi's take
2020-05-16 03:22:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	sure
2020-05-16 03:22:23	+Smasher	ok
2020-05-16 03:22:52	@turb	sounds good
2020-05-16 03:23:04	@Lakituthequick	iffy on that he uploads the images directly to the wiki a week before release but it seems he does colours now so yes
2020-05-16 03:23:23	Pitohui	He does?
2020-05-16 03:23:27	+Rose	He didn't this time, did he
2020-05-16 03:23:32	@Lakituthequick	https://www.mariowiki.com/Special:Contributions/Goombuigi
2020-05-16 03:23:43	Pitohui	That's not really relevant to Awards but i should know about it for later
2020-05-16 03:23:51	+Rose	Oof
2020-05-16 03:24:03	+Rose	I thought he was just sending the files to me this month
2020-05-16 03:24:08	+Smasher	well,
2020-05-16 03:24:11	@Lakituthequick	so i'm not again adding him, mind you
2020-05-16 03:24:16	@Lakituthequick	just a side note
2020-05-16 03:24:23	+Rose	We'll mention that to him lmao
2020-05-16 03:24:28	Pitohui	Nah, that's no reason to take him off. That's 'Shroom-side discussion
2020-05-16 03:25:16	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8
2020-05-16 03:26:09	@Anton{Politoed}	C9 Favorite Written 'Shroom Section of the Past Year (Anniversary Announcements (Lakituthequick), Selling Out (Raregold), Mach Speed Mayhem (Superchao), Anton's Half-Baked Reviews (Anton), Rising Sun Reviews (Mariofan169), 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui and Raregold), Hot Pot Reviews (Chibiki Daisy), Poll Committee Discussion (9th Poll Committee),
2020-05-16 03:26:10	@Anton{Politoed}	Interview (Superchao), Travel Guide (Koops), Shop Scout (Hooded Pitohui), Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight), Take Cover! (Tucayo), The 'Shroom Report (LudwigVon), Where in the Marioverse is Carmen Sandiego? (FunkyK38), Mario's Boombox (Hooded Pitohui), NIWA Spotlight (Alex95), Monthly Report (LudwigVon))
2020-05-16 03:26:17	Pitohui	REMOVE: Selling Out (Raregold), Rising Sun Reviews (Mariofan169), Travel Guide (Koops), Shop Scout (Hooded Pitohui), Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight), Take Cover! (Tucayo), The 'Shroom Report (LudwigVon), NIWA Spotlight (Alex95), Monthly Report (LudwigVon)
2020-05-16 03:26:24	Pitohui	ADD: Drawn & Pressed (winstein), World of Plight (Magolor04726), Smashing Reviews (Smasher), TV Tomorrow (Quizmelon),
2020-05-16 03:26:29	Pitohui	TENTATIVE ADD: News Flush (Lord Bowser), SGoW's Declassified Mario Kart Wii Survival Guide (SGoW)
2020-05-16 03:26:33	Pitohui	CHANGE: Poll Committee Discussion (9th Poll Committee) => Poll Committee Discussion (10th Poll Committee)
2020-05-16 03:26:38	Pitohui	TENTATIVE CHANGE: 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui and Raregold) => 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui)
2020-05-16 03:26:38	@Anton{Politoed}	this has a hard "Past Year" which makes some decisions indisputable
2020-05-16 03:26:45	Pitohui	QUESTION ADD: "Koops, Your Emblem is on Fire (Mankoops)"
2020-05-16 03:27:06	Pitohui	Once again, Tentative are basically "will they hit a third issue"
2020-05-16 03:27:20	Pitohui	Koops is "it's mostly video but there are significant written components"
2020-05-16 03:27:30	@Anton{Politoed}	is it safe to assume all the Removes are just not from the last year
2020-05-16 03:27:31	@turb	what's the tentative change for re: third issue
2020-05-16 03:27:35	Pitohui	Correct
2020-05-16 03:27:54	Pitohui	Removes are not within the past awards cycle
2020-05-16 03:28:07	Pitohui	That was mostly bookeeping for me, Turb, for thinking about the Dossier
2020-05-16 03:28:20	Pitohui	It doesn't really impact the nominees eligibility
2020-05-16 03:28:22	+Smasher	i'm undecided on koops but good with everything else
2020-05-16 03:28:27	@turb	oic
2020-05-16 03:28:51	+Rose	Koops' section does bring up an interesting dilemma
2020-05-16 03:29:00	+Rose	Is it actually a written 'Shroom section
2020-05-16 03:29:35	Pitohui	See, the definition mentions written as the bulk of the section, and, I'd call the video the bulk, but he does have significant written portions
2020-05-16 03:29:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	hmmm
2020-05-16 03:29:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd still say he's primarily video medium and wouldn't quality for this one
2020-05-16 03:29:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	the written portions exist as a supplement
2020-05-16 03:30:02	@Lakituthequick	^
2020-05-16 03:30:12	+Smasher	i feel like im on perch's side here
2020-05-16 03:30:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	put it another way, you can watch the video without the written part and still have it make sense, you can't read the written part without the video
2020-05-16 03:30:26	Pitohui	I'd lean towards that take, too
2020-05-16 03:30:34	@turb	yeah
2020-05-16 03:30:58	Zange	i'd agree with that
2020-05-16 03:31:00	@Anton{Politoed}	I don't feel that it's neglected keeping it off this one as it's in C8
2020-05-16 03:31:21	+Smasher	mhm
2020-05-16 03:31:37	Pitohui	Wait, hold one, I spotted an error in my lists
2020-05-16 03:31:47	+Smasher	:fear:
2020-05-16 03:31:49	Pitohui	Dream Land Journal /should/ qualify for this cycle
2020-05-16 03:32:08	@turb	yeah like it's a good section that has presence elsewhere, and when looking at this month's it's definitely mostly video
2020-05-16 03:32:08	Pitohui	Had one edition squeeze into the start of this cycle
2020-05-16 03:32:22	@turb	ehhhhh
2020-05-16 03:32:29	+Rose	Ehhhhh
2020-05-16 03:32:49	@turb	i'm n ot gonna kill anybody if it's on as a result but it's kind of weird to add it if it's there on primarily a technicality
2020-05-16 03:32:55	@turb	since that would mean it's still been absent for almost a year
2020-05-16 03:33:09	+Smasher	yeah idk if it was just one edition
2020-05-16 03:33:13	@Lakituthequick	10) Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight) - 1 - 1.72%
2020-05-16 03:33:16	@Lakituthequick	for reference
2020-05-16 03:33:20	Pitohui	I mean, I'm okay with that, I'm basically going for thoroughness by noting that
2020-05-16 03:33:26	+Smasher	fair
2020-05-16 03:33:36	@Anton{Politoed}	with it on, plus the solid Adds, minus the solid Removes, there's 14
2020-05-16 03:34:05	@Anton{Politoed}	it won't do harm with it on
2020-05-16 03:34:28	@turb	yeah, i'm pretty neutral on it being there
2020-05-16 03:34:39	@turb	may as well slap it on instead of starting an argument if it qualifies
2020-05-16 03:34:41	+Smasher	i dont have a strong opinion either way
2020-05-16 03:35:13	+Smasher	if it technically qualifies there's certainly enough room for it so /shrug
2020-05-16 03:35:40	@Anton{Politoed}	TENTATIVE ADD: News Flush (Lord Bowser), SGoW's Declassified Mario Kart Wii Survival Guide (SGoW)
2020-05-16 03:35:47	@Anton{Politoed}	are there reasons to not include these
2020-05-16 03:35:53	Pitohui	No
2020-05-16 03:36:04	@Lakituthequick	that was easy
2020-05-16 03:36:07	Pitohui	Like I said to Turb, that was basically bookeeping for me, separating them out
2020-05-16 03:36:17	+Smasher	nope when they qualify slap them in
2020-05-16 03:37:16	@Anton{Politoed}	are there any other considerations for C9
2020-05-16 03:37:19	Pitohui	It's so I know who could potentially not have the usual three examples when I make the Dossier and start yelling at people to give me stuff
2020-05-16 03:37:26	@Lakituthequick	question, why is TENTATIVE CHANGE: 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui and Raregold) => 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui)
2020-05-16 03:37:28	@Lakituthequick	this tentative
2020-05-16 03:37:44	Pitohui	Three issues, again, Dossier stuff
2020-05-16 03:37:50	@Lakituthequick	okay
2020-05-16 03:37:59	Pitohui	I have an odd system, I know
2020-05-16 03:38:09	@Lakituthequick	nono, it's great
2020-05-16 03:38:19	+Smasher	it's ok i'm an odd person
2020-05-16 03:38:34	+Rose	We know
2020-05-16 03:38:45	+Smasher	:bugs:
2020-05-16 03:39:18	@Anton{Politoed}	C10 Outstanding Community Achievement Award (Porplemontage, 2257, Walkazo, Turboo, Anton, Superchao, Smasher, Yoshi876, Tucayo, MrConcreteDonkey, Lord Bowser, GBAToad, Lakituthequick, Mr. Edo, Glowsquid, Meta Knight, LudwigVon, The Pyro Guy)
2020-05-16 03:39:23	Pitohui	ADD: Roserade,
2020-05-16 03:39:28	Pitohui	CHANGE: LudwigVon => Ninja Squid
2020-05-16 03:39:35	Pitohui	I had REMOVE: GBAToad but
2020-05-16 03:39:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	awkward question
2020-05-16 03:39:48	+Smasher	yeah let's add rose
2020-05-16 03:39:49	Pitohui	that was based on the length of accomplishments from last year's Dossier
2020-05-16 03:39:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	do we know if edo still /wants/ to be on this award
2020-05-16 03:39:55	+Rose	Pitohui don't underplay yourself you're nominated
2020-05-16 03:39:59	Pitohui	and assuming that we were still stuck to 18
2020-05-16 03:40:02	@Anton{Politoed}	I will ask him
2020-05-16 03:40:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	also yeah we're adding pitohui
2020-05-16 03:40:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	ok
2020-05-16 03:40:18	+Smasher	ok good i was about to say let's add pitohui too
2020-05-16 03:40:20	Pitohui	and I could /also/ see a case for removing Walkazo due to time, once again, but I'm not going to press for that
2020-05-16 03:40:43	@Anton{Politoed}	I think walkazo's placement in this award has a bit of a different context, as it's community as a whole, not written sections
2020-05-16 03:40:46	@turb	^
2020-05-16 03:40:48	+Smasher	i agree
2020-05-16 03:40:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah this one is more memorialization imo
2020-05-16 03:41:03	Pitohui	Yeah, that's why I'm not as strong about it here as I was there
2020-05-16 03:41:05	@turb	I'm personally fine with keeping on here until the end of time
2020-05-16 03:41:07	+Smasher	in this case im a bit more partial to keeping her on'
2020-05-16 03:41:08	@Lakituthequick	yeah, leave her on for the time being
2020-05-16 03:41:09	@turb	keeping her on here*
2020-05-16 03:41:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	my first pick for removal would be tucayo
2020-05-16 03:41:13	Zange	wait did i miss a message, im confused now
2020-05-16 03:41:15	Pitohui	The significance here is different
2020-05-16 03:41:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	he hasn't done much in a long tim
2020-05-16 03:41:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	*time
2020-05-16 03:41:29	@turb	if there comes a time where we do end up removing her then that's something we can address then
2020-05-16 03:41:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	and has been largely inactive the past year and a half
2020-05-16 03:41:36	@turb	but for this year, due to the context of the award, it's fine
2020-05-16 03:41:37	Pitohui	Tucayo is a valid option for that reason, imo
2020-05-16 03:41:38	@Lakituthequick	Zange: you probably were pinged because your name was in a shroom section moniee
2020-05-16 03:41:40	+Smasher	yeah, id say tucayo is probably the best removal here
2020-05-16 03:41:45	@Anton{Politoed}	edo stays
2020-05-16 03:41:45	+Smasher	if we have to remove one
2020-05-16 03:41:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	ok
2020-05-16 03:41:50	+Smasher	ok cool
2020-05-16 03:41:54	@turb	alright
2020-05-16 03:42:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	in that cas i don't have a second pick offhand
2020-05-16 03:42:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	i just know i really think both rose and pitohui deserve it
2020-05-16 03:42:10	+Smasher	i would want edo to stay if he wants to anyway so
2020-05-16 03:42:22	+Rose	Aw shucks
2020-05-16 03:42:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	because yeah i don't /want/ edo gone i just felt in his specific case he himself might not want to be on it
2020-05-16 03:42:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	and since he does, that answers that for me
2020-05-16 03:42:56	Zange	are we on c10 or?? we switched from talking sections to people and i think i missed the c10 nominees
2020-05-16 03:42:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	c10
2020-05-16 03:43:09	@Lakituthequick	yes
2020-05-16 03:43:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	[21:39]	Anton{Politoed}	C10 Outstanding Community Achievement Award (Porplemontage, 2257, Walkazo, Turboo, Anton, Superchao, Smasher, Yoshi876, Tucayo, MrConcreteDonkey, Lord Bowser, GBAToad, Lakituthequick, Mr. Edo, Glowsquid, Meta Knight, LudwigVon, The Pyro Guy)
2020-05-16 03:43:21	+Smasher	we're adding pitohui and rose
2020-05-16 03:43:38	+Smasher	we also might be removing tucayo due to largely being inactive
2020-05-16 03:43:47	Zange	okay
2020-05-16 03:43:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	ther'es 18 ont here to start with
2020-05-16 03:44:06	+Smasher	idk if i really want anyone else out or not
2020-05-16 03:44:12	+Smasher	is a cut needed
2020-05-16 03:44:22	Zange	yeah that message never popped up for me in the first place, reason number i dont remember for me to already get a better computer
2020-05-16 03:44:51	@Lakituthequick	i believe crowdsignal does more than 18 now so cutting is not 100% needed
2020-05-16 03:45:12	@turb	we had a 20-nominee thing for c1 so yeah
2020-05-16 03:45:14	@Lakituthequick	but we've managed to keep everything 18 and less so far even with that so
2020-05-16 03:45:22	@Lakituthequick	do we
2020-05-16 03:45:24	@turb	at least i think we did
2020-05-16 03:45:24	+Smasher	we do
2020-05-16 03:45:29	@Lakituthequick	I can't count
2020-05-16 03:45:29	+Smasher	yeah in that case
2020-05-16 03:45:33	Pitohui	That's a call for Anton, I suppose, but we did it for C1 - I made these lists under the 18 assumption, though
2020-05-16 03:46:02	@turb	i'd still prefer to stick to the 18 in the majority of cases
2020-05-16 03:46:16	@turb	but this award is something that could go either way imo
2020-05-16 03:46:19	+Smasher	yeah
2020-05-16 03:46:20	@Lakituthequick	C1: 17 + 10 - 8 = 19
2020-05-16 03:46:25	@turb	oops
2020-05-16 03:46:28	+Smasher	rip
2020-05-16 03:46:31	@turb	it's still over 18 at least
2020-05-16 03:46:32	+Rose	I personally believe that every other nominee here deserves to stay
2020-05-16 03:46:37	+Rose	So I'm fine with it going over
2020-05-16 03:46:38	+Smasher	i agree with rose, yeah
2020-05-16 03:46:50	@Anton{Politoed}	whoops got sidetracked afk but here i am now
2020-05-16 03:46:51	Pitohui	I'm in fair agreement with Rose
2020-05-16 03:46:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm also fine
2020-05-16 03:46:58	+Smasher	in this particular award, i think the extra nominee is valid
2020-05-16 03:47:05	@Lakituthequick	oh i counted shoey as two removals it's actually 20
2020-05-16 03:47:07	@Anton{Politoed}	i agree
2020-05-16 03:47:13	+Smasher	and i dont really feel a strong reason to remove anyone other than tucayo
2020-05-16 03:47:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	wow ltq really wanted shoey gone huh
2020-05-16 03:47:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	smh
2020-05-16 03:47:20	Pitohui	math
2020-05-16 03:47:24	+Smasher	good job
2020-05-16 03:47:25	@Lakituthequick	quick maffs
2020-05-16 03:47:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	what's next ltq
2020-05-16 03:47:28	+Rose	Let's remove Steve :yoshi:
2020-05-16 03:47:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	arer you going to remove shoey from life itself?
2020-05-16 03:47:33	@Lakituthequick	you
2020-05-16 03:47:35	@Anton{Politoed}	honestly........................
2020-05-16 03:47:41	+Smasher	Oh
2020-05-16 03:47:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	i mean, he basically just exists when i poke him to do things for me
2020-05-16 03:48:03	+Rose	Oh No
2020-05-16 03:48:12	Zange	uh oh
2020-05-16 03:48:19	@Anton{Politoed}	so what are the proposed Adds
2020-05-16 03:48:24	+Smasher	pitohui and rose
2020-05-16 03:48:27	Pitohui	Steve exists - helpful when you need him, does keep the site running. We aren't Bulbagarden ad farms yet
2020-05-16 03:48:29	@Lakituthequick	Rose and... yea
2020-05-16 03:48:40	@Anton{Politoed}	how do we feel about doomhiker
2020-05-16 03:48:47	+Smasher	oh that's a good idea actually
2020-05-16 03:48:49	+Rose	Doomhiker was a thought of mine too
2020-05-16 03:48:53	@turb	doomhiker's good
2020-05-16 03:48:56	@Anton{Politoed}	he came out of nowhere and told off racists and nazis in discord and does stuff well on the wiki
2020-05-16 03:48:57	Zange	i wouldnt be opposed to adding him
2020-05-16 03:48:58	+Smasher	i'd support him as well
2020-05-16 03:49:00	Pitohui	Doomhiker has stepped up a lot in a wide range of positions
2020-05-16 03:49:05	Pitohui	I'd be okay with him
2020-05-16 03:49:09	+Rose	And is Fake News leader so
2020-05-16 03:49:14	@Anton{Politoed}	doomhiker is a hero for vocally not tolerating assholes and nazis
2020-05-16 03:49:24	+Smasher	we love to see it
2020-05-16 03:49:46	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm ok with doomhiker
2020-05-16 03:49:48	@Anton{Politoed}	i'm gonna put that in the dossier for him
2020-05-16 03:49:55	@Anton{Politoed}	"will punch a nazi if the opportunity arises"
2020-05-16 03:49:59	+Rose	Good
2020-05-16 03:50:01	+Smasher	that'll boost us to 20 which im still fine with
2020-05-16 03:50:03	+Smasher	'
2020-05-16 03:50:24	@Lakituthequick	world's first: two awards over 18 in one meeting
2020-05-16 03:50:28	Pitohui	"Takes disciplinary action against community members acting out of line with community values"
2020-05-16 03:50:29	@Anton{Politoed}	"instead of looking past it because the nazi didn't nazi it up directly in front of him"
2020-05-16 03:50:37	@turb	god bless doomhiker
2020-05-16 03:50:44	+Smasher	a wonderful man
2020-05-16 03:50:48	+Rose	Eh, I dunno, I think we should get back down to 19 and cut Smasher :^)
2020-05-16 03:50:59	 *	Smasher sets rose on fire
2020-05-16 03:51:05	+Rose	Oof ow
2020-05-16 03:51:10	@Lakituthequick	so who are we removing if anyone
2020-05-16 03:51:10	nico	doomhiker likes pdp so automatically he is a good person
2020-05-16 03:51:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	just tucky, i think
2020-05-16 03:51:31	Pitohui	I'm gonna learn Panel de Pon just for this tourney
2020-05-16 03:51:34	Zange	doomhiker's a cool dude
2020-05-16 03:51:40	nico	i believe in u pitohui
2020-05-16 03:51:42	+Rose	Me too @ learning it
2020-05-16 03:51:52	+Rose	Never played it before but now's the time
2020-05-16 03:51:57	+Smasher	im so happy panel de pon is finally coming to america unaltered
2020-05-16 03:52:00	nico	i might make tips n tricks if people are interested but thats for a later discussion
2020-05-16 03:52:05	+Smasher	lip deserves it
2020-05-16 03:52:08	nico	same smasher
2020-05-16 03:52:13	Pitohui	Write for SW, Panel de Pon section
2020-05-16 03:52:25	+Smasher	but yeah just remove tucayo
2020-05-16 03:52:56	+Rose	I have replaced the candidate who I called a whore when I was ten, which caused my mom to nearly bar me from the boards
2020-05-16 03:53:01	+Rose	Are you proud of me now mother
2020-05-16 03:53:09	@Lakituthequick	looking at pitohui's amazing dossier tucayo is mostly shroom and the odd other thing so not opposed to removal
2020-05-16 03:53:58	+Smasher	tucayo was great
2020-05-16 03:54:02	+Smasher	he's just
2020-05-16 03:54:07	+Smasher	not around much anymore
2020-05-16 03:54:27	@turb	honestly like uh
2020-05-16 03:54:29	@turb	re: removals
2020-05-16 03:55:04	@turb	i'm not going to sign off on this officially as it's anton's call to make more than mine, but i think we can just leave this as is without removals unless there's a big pressure to do so for any of them
2020-05-16 03:55:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's pretty much how i feel
2020-05-16 03:55:20	@turb	it's hard because pretty much everyone else on the award is either active or has specific circumstances for their presence on there
2020-05-16 03:55:27	+Smasher	agreed
2020-05-16 03:55:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	everyone else has some kind of existing community presence/is significant in a way
2020-05-16 03:55:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	tucky is the only one who just
2020-05-16 03:55:35	@turb	could always remove steve :^)
2020-05-16 03:55:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	doesn't exist anymore
2020-05-16 03:55:42	@turb	i shouldn't vruet snowman that
2020-05-16 03:55:49	@Anton{Politoed}	we can keep tucky if we're already going over
2020-05-16 03:55:52	@Anton{Politoed}	votes will decide
2020-05-16 03:55:55	@Anton{Politoed}	but TBH FAM
2020-05-16 03:55:56	@Anton{Politoed}	 14) O. FireyYoshi - 1 - 1.61%
2020-05-16 03:56:02	Mariofan168	porple is the deadbeat dad of the mariowiki
2020-05-16 03:56:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	god that one made me laugh
2020-05-16 03:56:09	Mariofan168	i say we remove him /s
2020-05-16 03:56:11	+Smasher	who the fuck is that
2020-05-16 03:56:14	Pitohui	Oh word, [s]guess we need to add him[/s]
2020-05-16 03:56:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	a forum kiddie
2020-05-16 03:56:17	+Rose	I'm exciting for the Yoshi the Nothing vote this time around
2020-05-16 03:56:23	Zange	oh boy
2020-05-16 03:56:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	who very obviously wrote himself in
2020-05-16 03:56:24	nico	lol
2020-05-16 03:56:53	+Smasher	outstanding move
2020-05-16 03:56:54	Pitohui	Don't worry, anyways. I'm contractually bound to cover absolutely everyone who's ever written in The 'Shroom in Recap before I die. I'll get to everyone on this award Eventually (TM)
2020-05-16 03:57:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	that requires you to write recap, though
2020-05-16 03:57:07	@Anton{Politoed}	but with that, C4 and C5 will be taken care of on the forum
2020-05-16 03:57:14	@Anton{Politoed}	otherwise community awards are done
2020-05-16 03:57:22	@Lakituthequick	that'll take you fivehunderd years minimum
2020-05-16 03:57:26	Zange	we did it team
2020-05-16 03:57:40	@turb	hooray
2020-05-16 03:57:40	+Rose	Wahoo
2020-05-16 03:57:58	@Lakituthequick	neat
2020-05-16 03:58:01	Pitohui	Well, LTQ, the contract is sealed
2020-05-16 03:58:14	Pitohui	Anyhow, thanks for people putting up with my notes on Community Awards
2020-05-16 03:58:44	@Lakituthequick	it will actually take about 20 years but
2020-05-16 03:58:53	@Anton{Politoed}	as for tournaments
2020-05-16 03:58:54	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/42390/#post-2162118
2020-05-16 03:58:57	Lord_Bowser	pitohui i cant believe you cancelled me
2020-05-16 03:58:57	@Anton{Politoed}	panel de pon
2020-05-16 03:59:00	 *	nico 
2020-05-16 03:59:06	Lord_Bowser	im gonna have to cancel you right back
2020-05-16 03:59:17	Lord_Bowser	youre not invited to my birthday party >:[
2020-05-16 03:59:19	@Anton{Politoed}	are there any questions or concerns regarding any tournaments
2020-05-16 03:59:32	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm coordinating scheduling somewhat but without tokens it's honestly mostly hands-off
2020-05-16 03:59:48	@Anton{Politoed}	I've historically had a hand in moderating whatever big game there is, be it mafia, killing game
2020-05-16 03:59:52	@Anton{Politoed}	if that continues sure
2020-05-16 04:00:09	@Anton{Politoed}	I don't have to be a mod for the game itself but I do like to make sure that the games are fair and functional
2020-05-16 04:00:18	@Anton{Politoed}	which includes a fair look at any criticisms I have had from previous games
2020-05-16 04:00:22	@Anton{Politoed}	i.e.
2020-05-16 04:00:39	@Anton{Politoed}	grouping up and covering for murderers with no built-in punishment
2020-05-16 04:00:59	+Rose	I dunno Anton, I think we need to have a hearing involving the hosts and the players to decide that
2020-05-16 04:01:06	@Anton{Politoed}	as the actual dr built-in punishment, being "everyone dies and the game ends"
2020-05-16 04:01:09	@Anton{Politoed}	can't really be possible
2020-05-16 04:01:22	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm not saying ban groups
2020-05-16 04:01:23	@Lakituthequick	i believe the former was already tackled in kg4
2020-05-16 04:01:25	Lord_Bowser	oh no that's never been in a thing in any kg ever
2020-05-16 04:01:31	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm saying
2020-05-16 04:01:32	Lord_Bowser	the mass kill rule i mean
2020-05-16 04:01:37	Pitohui	That's the biggest issue. Rose and I have no shortage of criticism of last year's game, either ;)
2020-05-16 04:02:04	+Rose	Yeah whoever created the balancing for that game had no idea what they were doing
2020-05-16 04:02:10	+Rose	I want to give them a talking to
2020-05-16 04:02:21	@Anton{Politoed}	that I believe there should be something done to at least disincentivize having your friend lie about their night results just so you can get a free get-away-with-murder and then brag about how intelligent you were to manipulate the game
2020-05-16 04:02:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	from what i know
2020-05-16 04:02:39	@Anton{Politoed}	whether it's outright banning it, or punishing it, or delivering debuffs, I don't care
2020-05-16 04:03:00	Honoka_Chaosaka	i don't wanna spill too much but gba is making active plans to discourage player alliances
2020-05-16 04:03:00	@Anton{Politoed}	but I would like it not be an obvious loophole that has nothing done but to encourage its abuse
2020-05-16 04:03:04	@Anton{Politoed}	great
2020-05-16 04:03:08	@Anton{Politoed}	that's all I need
2020-05-16 04:03:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	lb: i saw that once in a similarly-concepted (but more complicated) dr-as-forum-game adaptations
2020-05-16 04:03:18	+Rose	Let's hope it doesn't get abused anyway 🙏
2020-05-16 04:03:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	i.e. having the mass kill rule
2020-05-16 04:03:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	the game ended on d3 or so lol
2020-05-16 04:03:50	GBAToad	its literally the key gimmick of this game if you read through my MO and the op of the thread that was created
2020-05-16 04:03:55	@Anton{Politoed}	my ultimate goal is make the game remembered for being fun and immersive
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2020-05-16 04:04:11	Pitohui	It'll be interesting to see, but I think that the NPC concept GBA has can help mitigate the problem
2020-05-16 04:04:19	+Smasher	my ultimate goal if i play is to be remembered
2020-05-16 04:04:30	+Rose	My ultimate goal is to play
2020-05-16 04:04:49	@Anton{Politoed}	but yeah I can say that I haven't had a chance to look through all of the kg info yet
2020-05-16 04:04:52	GBAToad	im not worried about teamups too much and am excited to unveil more about the game in due time
2020-05-16 04:05:07	@Anton{Politoed}	it's a lot of words and thus far I've pretty much gone straight from work to bed to work to bed to ac meeting to bed to work
2020-05-16 04:05:14	GBAToad	sucks
2020-05-16 04:05:19	Pitohui	We unfortunately probably won't get to marry NPCs in GBA's game but their roles will be more versatile
2020-05-16 04:05:23	@Anton{Politoed}	but if it's something there, i'm satisfied :bowser: :thumbup:
2020-05-16 04:05:28	+Rose	I'm outta here I have Burgerville waiting for me upstairs, have a good night everyone 👋
2020-05-16 04:05:38	nico	what do you need from hosts for planning/running a tournament anton
2020-05-16 04:05:43	GBAToad	are you kidding pito i play fire emblem theres gonna be s supports
2020-05-16 04:05:54	nico	schedules etc
2020-05-16 04:06:01	@Anton{Politoed}	just a sensible plan that works, and a time frame
2020-05-16 04:06:07	nico	ok
2020-05-16 04:06:13	nico	is there a tournament deadline
2020-05-16 04:06:15	@Anton{Politoed}	just so I can see where everyone plans to start it so it's spread out some
2020-05-16 04:06:16	nico	like awards day
2020-05-16 04:06:20	@Anton{Politoed}	"end of august"
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2020-05-16 04:06:22	GBAToad	also yeah i acknowledge i just kinda went "is anyone gonna host this" "im hosting this" "fuck the church heres 30 paragraphs reason why"
2020-05-16 04:06:25	@turb	i appreciate that this is round robin
2020-05-16 04:06:25	nico	all right
2020-05-16 04:06:30	nico	thanks i agree
2020-05-16 04:06:30	@Anton{Politoed}	without there being tokens there's no real like
2020-05-16 04:06:33	@Anton{Politoed}	hard deadline on my end
2020-05-16 04:06:38	@turb	elimination panel de pon would suck
2020-05-16 04:06:39	nico	elimination would suck for everyone i think
2020-05-16 04:06:40	nico	yea
2020-05-16 04:06:45	nico	okay anton
2020-05-16 04:06:50	@turb	we should try out the game when it comes out to make sure the connection is stable
2020-05-16 04:06:51	nico	thts good enough for me
2020-05-16 04:06:55	nico	yea sure
2020-05-16 04:07:10	GBAToad	so if you get the chance to read through the makeshift op then offer suggestions if you feel its necessary thatd be alright
2020-05-16 04:07:26	GBAToad	still heavily in planning of course
2020-05-16 04:08:17	@Anton{Politoed}	my other goals to hit for any largescale game is to try to avoid dumping heavy amount of work on players during presentation work times
2020-05-16 04:08:37	Pitohui	I think the one thing I would throw out, GBA, is I'm not clear what the disincentive is, like why someone wouldn't just skirt around the NPCs and make a teamup murder plan anyways - what's being done to prevent that?
2020-05-16 04:08:41	@Anton{Politoed}	I think historically that has been taken care of by having like a hiatus or constructing the game to taper down around then
2020-05-16 04:09:21	GBAToad	because ill kick your ass and at this point any teamups are just going to outright fail in night actions
2020-05-16 04:09:23	@Anton{Politoed}	but ultimately as long as I don't have presenters dropping because they have too many in-game obligations, anything is fine by me
2020-05-16 04:10:01	Pitohui	To quote Anton, gr8 - that's mostly what I was wondering
2020-05-16 04:10:41	GBAToad	any teamups that dont involve npcs who i can then control what is covered up exactly
2020-05-16 04:10:48	@Lakituthequick	is this end of meeting btw
2020-05-16 04:11:06	GBAToad	its all in the op anyway im tired and its only 12pm
2020-05-16 04:11:16	GBAToad	good meeting that i wasnt part of
2020-05-16 04:11:45	@Anton{Politoed}	if there's no more tournament talk i just have one more thing to say then yeah the end
2020-05-16 04:12:02	@Anton{Politoed}	right now there's a few tournaments forming and no one really has set times so it's kinda free reign
2020-05-16 04:12:22	@Anton{Politoed}	typical timeframe is June 1st to August 30th
2020-05-16 04:12:49	@Anton{Politoed}	I do prefer more focus towards the end of june through mid-july, with things flowing cooly through to the ceremony
2020-05-16 04:12:58	@Anton{Politoed}	but really, doesn't matter much
2020-05-16 04:13:23	GBAToad	oh i specified early june since i need this tourney out of the way bythe time uni ramps up for me again
2020-05-16 04:13:32	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah that's fine
2020-05-16 04:13:48	GBAToad	i was actually thinking june 12th start assuming tpg and i get everything done
2020-05-16 04:13:55	GBAToad	signups will be june 1
2020-05-16 04:13:59	@Anton{Politoed}	it's kinda up in the air when school is starting for anyone given that covid has kinda shat things up
2020-05-16 04:14:10	GBAToad	fuck australia
2020-05-16 04:14:20	@Anton{Politoed}	with some districts here saying they're just gonna start back up in july instead of end of august or early september due to time lost
2020-05-16 04:14:22	@Anton{Politoed}	so, shrug
2020-05-16 04:14:26	@Anton{Politoed}	we'll roll with it
2020-05-16 04:14:50	Pitohui	TPG isn't here but good choice of co-host
2020-05-16 04:15:14	@Anton{Politoed}	otherwise, next meeting we will be doing the complete review
2020-05-16 04:15:34	@Anton{Politoed}	so be prepped and lubed for full-force pedantry, as that is what we want and need
2020-05-16 04:15:44	@Anton{Politoed}	grammar, syntax, everything
2020-05-16 04:16:01	@Anton{Politoed}	feel free to peruse the full list to catch any errors to share as we go through
2020-05-16 04:16:18	Pitohui	Pedantry is my thing
2020-05-16 04:16:26	@Anton{Politoed}	I won't edit the document until next meeting even if I notice something just to keep things flowing
2020-05-16 04:16:54	@Anton{Politoed}	so, thenks 4 comming