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2021-04-17 01:55:35	--	Topic for #mwikiawards is "General: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43605/ || Full List 2021: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17UqmmbRi62NbK3clskZAN2hitNPeZF7F_9tDr615MJU/edit || "An Excellent Awards Ceremony https://i.imgur.com/POjPM37.png " - Chef Excellence, 2020 || https://i.imgur.com/HWemVrc.png || UP NEXT: I'm gay"
2021-04-17 01:55:35	--	Topic set by Anton{Politoed} (Mibbit@048-200-687-565.res.spectrum.com) on za, 17 apr 2021 01:10:22
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2021-04-17 01:55:39	--	Channel created on do, 29 jan 2015 19:28:37
2021-04-17 01:55:51	@Anton{Politoed}	hey guys i made pizza for the occasion https://i.imgur.com/0yZXwPS.jpg
2021-04-17 01:56:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	hello
2021-04-17 01:56:15	Rose	I keep accidentally booting myself out because I'm on the irc cloud mobile app and I keep swiping left thinking that'll open the side bar like Discord
2021-04-17 01:56:18	Hooded_Pitohui	That sure is a lot of cheese
2021-04-17 01:56:22	Rose	But that just takes me back a screen 
2021-04-17 01:56:37	Rose	That's a good pizza
2021-04-17 01:56:59	@turb3	hype
2021-04-17 01:57:13	@turb3	i'll be around in a few minutes since i'm finishing up work things still
2021-04-17 01:57:26	Lakituthequick	Hello there
2021-04-17 01:57:29	Hooded_Pitohui	It's the most wonderful time of the year
2021-04-17 01:57:33	NinjaSquid	hello ltq
2021-04-17 01:57:36	Hooded_Pitohui	Awards Committee meeting time
2021-04-17 01:57:50	Rose	I'll have to leave a bit early probably, but I'll be here for at least an hour 
2021-04-17 01:58:03	@Anton{Politoed}	awards are canceled
2021-04-17 01:58:07	@Anton{Politoed}	ac is now animal crossing
2021-04-17 01:58:11	@Anton{Politoed}	how was everyone's bunny day
2021-04-17 01:58:14	Hooded_Pitohui	>:|
2021-04-17 01:58:28	Rose	Bunny Day bad 
2021-04-17 01:58:31	Uniju	i feel like it lasted a lot less long than it did last year but it might just be that i play less now than i did a year ago
2021-04-17 01:58:39	Rose	I even roasted it in my staff notes this month
2021-04-17 01:58:40	NinjaSquid	i dunno, it's been a while since I played Animal Crossing
2021-04-17 01:58:41	@Anton{Politoed}	possibly
2021-04-17 01:58:49	@Anton{Politoed}	also it happened last year at the beginning of the pandemic
2021-04-17 01:58:54	Rose	I'm pretty sure Bunny Day lasted like three weeks last year
2021-04-17 01:58:55	@Anton{Politoed}	a new world
2021-04-17 01:58:58	Rose	Or at least it felt like that
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2021-04-17 01:59:26	Uniju	it was right after the game came out too so everyone who was starting out and needed resources was just getting eggs instead
2021-04-17 01:59:28	Gabumon	did they do the egg thing again
2021-04-17 01:59:39	@Anton{Politoed}	yes
2021-04-17 01:59:52	Rose	I'm pretty sure Bunny Day is what killed my enjoyment when I was first starting
2021-04-17 01:59:58	Rose	Everything was eggs and then I forgot to play again
2021-04-17 02:00:22	Smasher	:hutaowobble:
2021-04-17 02:00:30	@Anton{Politoed}	meeting about to start, just guzzled a full liter of iced tea to ensure I'll piss my pants as I refuse to move away from my computer in the next 2 hours
2021-04-17 02:00:31	BBQ_Turtle	I believe I heard that they reduced the number of eggs this year though?
2021-04-17 02:00:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	mcantonmas 
2021-04-17 02:00:47	@Anton{Politoed}	also, welcome everyone, thank you for coming!
2021-04-17 02:00:52	Smasher	i havent played animal crossing in almost a year
2021-04-17 02:00:56	Lakituthequick	:luma:
2021-04-17 02:01:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	i never played animal crossing :partyhonk:
2021-04-17 02:01:11	@Anton{Politoed}	as of this (last) minute we have begun our first Awards Committee meeting of the year
2021-04-17 02:01:37	Rose	🎉
2021-04-17 02:01:39	@Anton{Politoed}	a lot of you are veterans of at least one year with this, but some peeps are new
2021-04-17 02:01:48	@Anton{Politoed}	so I will start with a brief introduction
2021-04-17 02:02:06	@Anton{Politoed}	hi, I'm Anton, I like pretzels, peanut butter, chocolate, and spending all of my money on the above
2021-04-17 02:02:30	@Anton{Politoed}	the awards committee is a group of people who gather each year to fuss over minor details on each year's awards ceremony and all associated events
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2021-04-17 02:02:56	@Anton{Politoed}	all things with the polls, the nominees, the questions, spelling, syntax, everything
2021-04-17 02:02:59	@Anton{Politoed}	tournaments
2021-04-17 02:03:02	@Anton{Politoed}	presentations
2021-04-17 02:03:08	@Anton{Politoed}	ceremony day, timing, everything
2021-04-17 02:03:37	@Anton{Politoed}	i've been graciously elected the Director for the...6th year now?
2021-04-17 02:03:46	@Anton{Politoed}	turb is our Sub-Director
2021-04-17 02:04:22	@Anton{Politoed}	Hooded_Pitohui will be leading the Community Awards as is the assignment of the current 'Shroom Director should they be cool with that
2021-04-17 02:04:26	Gabumon	trifecta!
2021-04-17 02:04:33	Hooded_Pitohui	You know I'm good for it!
2021-04-17 02:05:10	@Anton{Politoed}	Lakituthequick is our Record Keeper which means he's the guy who keeps things in check while I bumble around a hundred thousand documents, such being the maintainer of consistency, spelling, etc.
2021-04-17 02:05:25	 *	Lakituthequick bows
2021-04-17 02:06:02	@Anton{Politoed}	and while not exactly specific roles, Gabumon and _2257 are listed as staff consultants as they have a ton of experience in nitty gritty things that I rely on, and I trust their judgment on tough internal decisions
2021-04-17 02:06:26	@_2257	thanks
2021-04-17 02:06:31	Gabumon	we're removing mario from all polls this year, right
2021-04-17 02:06:39	NinjaSquid	sounds good
2021-04-17 02:06:42	@turb3	i agree
2021-04-17 02:06:47	Rose	Finally
2021-04-17 02:06:59	@Anton{Politoed}	as a whole, the committee meets each week to run through a set list of topics, such as removing mario from all polls this year, to make quickfire decisions or decide if something needs more discussion
2021-04-17 02:07:22	Smasher	mario is dead :crabrave:
2021-04-17 02:07:29	@Anton{Politoed}	the general discussion board, here: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43605/ conveniently has a list of relevant links and resources we will be using
2021-04-17 02:07:50	@Anton{Politoed}	the full list https://docs.google.com/document/d/17UqmmbRi62NbK3clskZAN2hitNPeZF7F_9tDr615MJU/edit is our working poll document where changes will be recorded
2021-04-17 02:08:08	Rose	Insert big changes joke here etc etc
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2021-04-17 02:08:20	@Anton{Politoed}	this schedule https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GQKyI9ObRmaW1PQuXRBYJQlE_CGtVn2x5LQz703csqc/edit will be mostly followed, but is subject to change as per announcements made as necessary
2021-04-17 02:08:45	@Anton{Politoed}	 16th = Meeting – First Meeting (Mario -> Fail -> Community)         Begin Planning Tournaments
2021-04-17 02:08:49	@Anton{Politoed}	and that's today!
2021-04-17 02:08:52	@Anton{Politoed}	so that's what we're doing
2021-04-17 02:09:59	@Anton{Politoed}	as we run through each award, whoever is in charge of the meeting, whether it is myself, turb if I am absent, ltq if we're both absent, etc., will introduce the subject and decide the current topic of discussion to be held in focus
2021-04-17 02:10:38	@Anton{Politoed}	should a vote need to be made, the person in charge will declare a vote in a set format, like so, and people will respond as per the options given
2021-04-17 02:10:44	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Does this make sense? (y/n/a)
2021-04-17 02:10:47	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2021-04-17 02:10:50	NinjaSquid	y
2021-04-17 02:10:52	@turb3	y
2021-04-17 02:10:53	Lakituthequick	a
2021-04-17 02:10:57	@_2257	y
2021-04-17 02:10:58	BBQ_Turtle	y
2021-04-17 02:11:13	Goombuigi	y
2021-04-17 02:11:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-04-17 02:11:23	Gabumon	q
2021-04-17 02:11:29	@Anton{Politoed}	while the intent of a vote is to garner a majority, they often tend to be somewhat loose and more to gauge consensus
2021-04-17 02:11:48	Rose	y
2021-04-17 02:12:06	@Anton{Politoed}	for example, if a preliminary vote ends up being like 4-5-2, while technically No has the most votes, I'll likely declare further discussion necessary
2021-04-17 02:12:33	@Anton{Politoed}	and we'll either do that, or move discussion to the forum to have more prolonged dialogue
2021-04-17 02:12:49	@Anton{Politoed}	any questions before we move on?
2021-04-17 02:13:04	Hooded_Pitohui	I'm set and ready to go. 
2021-04-17 02:13:07	NinjaSquid	i'm all good
2021-04-17 02:13:11	Rose	a
2021-04-17 02:13:14	@turb3	i'm good
2021-04-17 02:13:27	BBQ_Turtle	I'm ready to go. :)
2021-04-17 02:13:53	@Anton{Politoed}	as always, as Director I do hold privilege of final say on things
2021-04-17 02:14:14	@Anton{Politoed}	this is not exactly something I wield loosely, and pretty much always defer to group vote whether it agrees with me or not
2021-04-17 02:14:26	@Anton{Politoed}	but sometimes I need to move things along, or make things easier for myself
2021-04-17 02:14:39	Smasher	sorry, had to step out for a bit. ready to go
2021-04-17 02:15:11	@Anton{Politoed}	now that *Introduction is complete on my list, up next is
2021-04-17 02:15:13	@Anton{Politoed}	*Open floor for questions or introducing topics
2021-04-17 02:15:39	@Anton{Politoed}	before we begin, along with general questions, does anyone have any major topic they would like to bring up that will require placement within our schedule to go over?
2021-04-17 02:15:46	@Anton{Politoed}	or just something you would like to make sure is covered this year
2021-04-17 02:16:39	Rose	Are we going to go over the annual Discord discussion again At Some Point, or did we feel settled on everyone's points last year
2021-04-17 02:16:39	@_2257	lets remove hammer bros from worst enemy 
2021-04-17 02:16:41	@turb3	the only thing i want to bring up is already on the schedule personally
2021-04-17 02:16:45	Uniju	y
2021-04-17 02:16:48	@turb3	oh discord is ag ood point i think
2021-04-17 02:17:12	@Anton{Politoed}	we can certainly bring that back up, as feelings may have changed
2021-04-17 02:17:31	Hooded_Pitohui	I can't think of anything else that I strongly feel needs to be brought up.
2021-04-17 02:17:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	i got nothing
2021-04-17 02:17:40	@Anton{Politoed}	is this referring to holding the Chat Party that goes on during the ceremony to occur on discord rather than irc?  or meetings?  or both?
2021-04-17 02:17:44	Smasher	nothing from me
2021-04-17 02:17:51	Rose	Chat Party in particular
2021-04-17 02:18:00	NinjaSquid	nothing in particular from me
2021-04-17 02:18:02	Rose	As happy as I am with irc for it I know people still have their foot in the door over Discord
2021-04-17 02:18:09	Rose	Or at least did
2021-04-17 02:18:32	Hooded_Pitohui	(Did we finish the Kamek poll, as an aside, out of curiosity? Do we need to promote that more?)
2021-04-17 02:18:48	@_2257	i dont think theres any point in moving the meetings 
2021-04-17 02:18:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	i feel like the wiki discord has grown more... different? it's got its own pool of regulars who pretty much just stick there and to the wiki
2021-04-17 02:18:53	@Anton{Politoed}	ok, as that is something that isn't immediately pressing (i.e. decision needed by next meeting) I'll put it in my notes as something to either move discussion onto the forum or slot a space for it into a future meeting
2021-04-17 02:19:00	Honoka_Chaosaka	if anything i feel there's less reason
2021-04-17 02:19:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	but yeah i'll hold off until we do the main discussion
2021-04-17 02:19:44	@_2257	if people want to participate in the meetings, but they don't care enough to open an irc client, did they *really* want to participate 
2021-04-17 02:19:55	@turb3	yeah the chat party is the main thing i'd want to discuss regardless
2021-04-17 02:20:03	@turb3	regarding the poll, pitohui, that is on the schedule
2021-04-17 02:20:09	@turb3	which is what i wanted to bring up
2021-04-17 02:20:24	@Anton{Politoed}	any further topics before I move to mine?
2021-04-17 02:20:43	Hooded_Pitohui	I have no other topics to raise.
2021-04-17 02:21:17	@Anton{Politoed}	eggcellent
2021-04-17 02:21:17	Lakituthequick	I have no topics
2021-04-17 02:21:24	@Anton{Politoed}	that brings me to my first topic
2021-04-17 02:21:25	@Anton{Politoed}	-Crowdsignal
2021-04-17 02:21:44	@Anton{Politoed}	we went over this in a panic near the end of last year, but to tl;dr recap
2021-04-17 02:22:18	@Anton{Politoed}	Crowdsignal, formerly PollDaddy, is our method of conducting polls as well as where all results in pretty much the entire history of our polls are held
2021-04-17 02:22:41	@Anton{Politoed}	and they have transitioned away from free accounts that are worth anything
2021-04-17 02:23:29	@Anton{Politoed}	they have capped free accounts at a set number of "signals" (votes) that is substantially less than we get in a single year, probably around what we get from 2 polls and we run 60
2021-04-17 02:23:37	@Anton{Politoed}	or 55, I need to math
2021-04-17 02:23:52	@Anton{Politoed}	 55
2021-04-17 02:24:33	@Anton{Politoed}	once the account exhausts its signals, while votes may still be collected and polls made, results are no longer visible
2021-04-17 02:25:02	@Anton{Politoed}	leaving us with the preliminary options of: 1) finding another poll source, which is exceedingly difficult
2021-04-17 02:25:47	@Anton{Politoed}	 2) purchasing a full account, which is $15 per month at a current discount rate
2021-04-17 02:26:13	@Anton{Politoed}	or 3) moving to the poll committees (?) account which porple pays for
2021-04-17 02:26:52	@Anton{Politoed}	 1, as I said, is difficult; 2 means money; 3 means relinquishing privacy and control that I just simply refuse to do and would default to option 2 in that case
2021-04-17 02:27:14	Gabumon	I mean, how long do awards polls run
2021-04-17 02:27:17	Gabumon	2 months?
2021-04-17 02:27:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	4 weeks
2021-04-17 02:27:31	@Anton{Politoed}	correct, that is something I considered
2021-04-17 02:27:57	@Anton{Politoed}	and is something we can still do should our evil scheme fail
2021-04-17 02:28:05	@Anton{Politoed}	which brings me to our evil scheme
2021-04-17 02:28:08	Gabumon	4 weeks +/- 1-2 for making the polls and counting the results I guess
2021-04-17 02:28:49	@Anton{Politoed}	we have a bot(?) that skims data from crowdsignal that we have used for like 5 years now that makes tallying polls a livable experience
2021-04-17 02:29:14	@Anton{Politoed}	few of us here, I think blocky, turb, myself, have gone through the gauntlet of manually tallying write-in votes
2021-04-17 02:29:40	@turb3	wearing my i survived the manual tallying shirt
2021-04-17 02:29:47	@Anton{Politoed}	it's a very arduous process and I feel violates several human rights
2021-04-17 02:30:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	i can confirm manual tallying is basically the equivalent of torture
2021-04-17 02:30:18	@Anton{Politoed}	so our scheme is to see if this bot can continue gleaning information from the results that still exist but are not visible to us
2021-04-17 02:30:32	@Anton{Politoed}	should this work, hallelujah, down with capitalism
2021-04-17 02:30:43	@Anton{Politoed}	but to test it we need to exhaust all of our Signals first
2021-04-17 02:30:45	Smasher	fight the power
2021-04-17 02:30:48	@Anton{Politoed}	https://poll.fm/10593967/
2021-04-17 02:30:58	Hooded_Pitohui	Exhaust our $ignals
2021-04-17 02:30:58	@Anton{Politoed}	so please vote in this bullshit poll roughly 600 more times
2021-04-17 02:31:38	@Anton{Politoed}	we'll keep you guys updated on our progress as this goes on, as well as badger you all for more votes as necessary
2021-04-17 02:31:47	Smasher	# ivoted
2021-04-17 02:32:02	@_2257	am i allowed to voe more than once
2021-04-17 02:32:04	Gabumon	I voted and I'll ask some of my peeps
2021-04-17 02:32:04	@turb3	yeah
2021-04-17 02:32:15	@turb3	it shouldn't be discarding repeat votes
2021-04-17 02:32:18	Lakituthequick	Will mass vote after the meeting
2021-04-17 02:32:22	Hooded_Pitohui	I've stuck it in a few Discord servers before and told folks to vote daily
2021-04-17 02:32:25	@turb3	#i voted
2021-04-17 02:32:37	@Anton{Politoed}	correct, I turned off all protections on that poll so you can just go back to the https://poll.fm/10593967/ link and vote again
2021-04-17 02:32:41	Hooded_Pitohui	Maybe I can stick it in the staff notes for tomorrow's issue too somehow, squeeze some extra votes out that way
2021-04-17 02:32:42	@Anton{Politoed}	no need for anything fancy
2021-04-17 02:32:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh good idea
2021-04-17 02:33:21	@Anton{Politoed}	any questions on this Crowdsignal topic?
2021-04-17 02:33:31	Rose	Is Kamek winning
2021-04-17 02:33:59	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't have any questions on it at this time.
2021-04-17 02:34:05	Goombuigi	Not from me
2021-04-17 02:34:13	Lakituthequick	Kamek
2021-04-17 02:34:13	Lakituthequick	 26%   (1,194 votes)
2021-04-17 02:34:14	Smasher	ive nothing to add here
2021-04-17 02:34:20	Smasher	Kamek
2021-04-17 02:34:31	Rose	Nice I was hoping he was ahead
2021-04-17 02:34:35	Smasher	im glad all the kameks are fairly even
2021-04-17 02:34:51	Lakituthequick	Last year I got them to be exactly equal
2021-04-17 02:35:03	Lakituthequick	All four of them
2021-04-17 02:35:04	BBQ_Turtle	If the bot thing didn't end up working, in a worst-case scenario would you be able to purchase an account to view the votes that had been cast before opening the account?
2021-04-17 02:35:37	NinjaSquid	I don't have any questions.
2021-04-17 02:35:38	@Anton{Politoed}	yes, going from a free account to a paid account will unlock all results
2021-04-17 02:36:06	@Anton{Politoed}	this is basically a gambit to save me some money
2021-04-17 02:36:25	@_2257	whats the number we're trying to hit
2021-04-17 02:36:29	@_2257	5000?
2021-04-17 02:36:40	@Anton{Politoed}	because if I suddenly had to pay more per month than what I did for maintaining the entire userpedia site, I will eventually stop
2021-04-17 02:36:55	BBQ_Turtle	OK, I was just checking it wasn't going to be a time restricted thing out of curiosity. It'd be nice for you to not have to pay. :)
2021-04-17 02:36:57	@Anton{Politoed}	it was like 2500 but the shitty coding doesn't register all of them
2021-04-17 02:36:58	Rose	Everybody venmo Anton five dollars per month 
2021-04-17 02:37:16	@Anton{Politoed}	like it registers the votes in the polls, those aren't lost
2021-04-17 02:37:23	@Anton{Politoed}	but their Free Signals tracker doesn't
2021-04-17 02:38:04	@Anton{Politoed}	moving onto the next subject now
2021-04-17 02:38:09	@Anton{Politoed}	-Viewing time for presentations
2021-04-17 02:38:28	@Anton{Politoed}	this is something routinely brought up each year, having enough time to view presentations during the ceremony as they roll out
2021-04-17 02:39:46	@Anton{Politoed}	last year we increased the time of the intermissions between each event and section by 5 minutes
2021-04-17 02:39:55	@Anton{Politoed}	question is, was it enough?  should we do something else?
2021-04-17 02:40:05	@Anton{Politoed}	how did everyone feel with the pacing last year, if you can recall
2021-04-17 02:40:12	NinjaSquid	what is the current time?
2021-04-17 02:40:33	@Anton{Politoed}	 20 minutes between each ceremony
2021-04-17 02:40:39	@Anton{Politoed}	 5 minutes between each presentation
2021-04-17 02:40:51	@turb3	I didn't have a personal problem with the pacing, but as somebody who does behind the scenes stuff, coordination, and trying to finish a presentation on the day of the ceremony 90% of the time, i usually reread after the ceremony is over
2021-04-17 02:41:00	@turb3	so i'm interested in hearing whether other people also do the same
2021-04-17 02:41:00	@Anton{Politoed}	 15 minute intermission halfway through Mario
2021-04-17 02:41:06	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/42135/  you can view the times here
2021-04-17 02:41:08	@turb3	rereading after the fact that is
2021-04-17 02:41:19	Rose	I thought last year's pace was totally fine. I feel like a lot of that discussion was caused by the few video presentations we had back to back, which was just coincidence over everything
2021-04-17 02:41:28	@_2257	i think this is kind of an unsolvable problem because what people really want is 5d clocks that will allow us to pack 55 10 minute periods into 2 hours
2021-04-17 02:41:28	Rose	I do also usually go back and revisit but that's just my preference to do
2021-04-17 02:41:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	i read insanely fast so it never registers ot me lol
2021-04-17 02:41:47	Hooded_Pitohui	I didn't have any problems with the pacing last year, myself.
2021-04-17 02:42:05	Lakituthequick	5 minutes is not bad on itself
2021-04-17 02:42:07	Gabumon	I mean, a lot of presentations take more than 5 minutes to get through anyway
2021-04-17 02:42:11	Gabumon	so what even is pacing
2021-04-17 02:42:20	Lakituthequick	I personally try to make presentations that can be enjoyed in <5 minutes
2021-04-17 02:42:21	Smasher	i generally have to reread regardless, but i thought the pacing was fine
2021-04-17 02:42:23	Goombuigi	I thought the pacing was good, it mostly gave me enough time to go through everything, and the intermissions helped with that
2021-04-17 02:42:29	@Anton{Politoed}	the goal is to savor presentations but not spend the entire day doing so
2021-04-17 02:42:39	NinjaSquid	5 minutes can be a bit short, but I guess if we make it longer, the ceremony will just be way too long in the end, so...
2021-04-17 02:42:45	BBQ_Turtle	Yeah, I didn't feel like the timings were way off last year. A couple of presentations I didn't quite get through in time, but they were few and far between so the time was made up when viewing shorter ones.
2021-04-17 02:42:46	@Anton{Politoed}	it's hard to enforce time limits on presentations because we can't assess that until we receive them
2021-04-17 02:42:50	Hooded_Pitohui	Yeah, the presentations take how long they take. It can get tight here or there, but with the intermissions, it's not hard to catch up
2021-04-17 02:42:55	@Anton{Politoed}	and sending back a presentation to be reworked sucks for everyone involved
2021-04-17 02:42:56	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think the other thing about making it longer is
2021-04-17 02:43:04	Hooded_Pitohui	Besides the length of the ceremony
2021-04-17 02:43:08	Hooded_Pitohui	If we bump up the time
2021-04-17 02:43:25	Hooded_Pitohui	I think it would increase that fixation on "my presentation must be a masterpiece"
2021-04-17 02:43:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	5 minutes is a very easy time to solve. everything is in multiples of 5, everything is even, etc
2021-04-17 02:43:39	@Anton{Politoed}	but if general feelings is to not mind going back and rereading, then the problem is effectively moot
2021-04-17 02:43:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	if we even just make it 6 minutes per presentation that requires a lot more manual work and calculation
2021-04-17 02:44:18	@Anton{Politoed}	we also don't want presenters to feel like they were skipped over
2021-04-17 02:44:19	Gabumon	let's bring back lists
2021-04-17 02:44:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	:nicoshake:
2021-04-17 02:44:31	NinjaSquid	the problem mostly rely on the length of someone's presentation. If it is something that is readable in more than 5 minutes, it tend to make you miss some presentations in the end.
2021-04-17 02:44:33	Lakituthequick	:realgun:
2021-04-17 02:44:42	@Anton{Politoed}	but assessing that in real time is up to community management that I tend to try and personally cover
2021-04-17 02:44:52	BBQ_Turtle	Also, I think five minutes doesn't feel too empty for shorter presentations, but longer times might end up running that risk.
2021-04-17 02:45:09	@Anton{Politoed}	so basically what I'm getting here is:
2021-04-17 02:45:18	@Anton{Politoed}	*pacing last year was fine,
2021-04-17 02:45:27	@Anton{Politoed}	*general understanding of going back and viewing
2021-04-17 02:45:48	Lakituthequick	I'm in favour of keeping five-minute slots with the intermissions
2021-04-17 02:45:52	@Anton{Politoed}	*encourage presenters to fit within a general 5 minute window, but don't objectively deny it
2021-04-17 02:46:23	@Anton{Politoed}	kinks in this process can be managed by hosts
2021-04-17 02:46:29	@Anton{Politoed}	and historically have been
2021-04-17 02:46:33	Rose	y
2021-04-17 02:46:34	Hooded_Pitohui	That's about my take on it, yes
2021-04-17 02:46:37	Lakituthequick	yes
2021-04-17 02:46:47	@turb3	that's pretty good
2021-04-17 02:46:51	Goombuigi	Sounds good
2021-04-17 02:46:51	NinjaSquid	yeah
2021-04-17 02:47:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-04-17 02:48:01	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8, if that's the case we can move to my next and final 'large' subject
2021-04-17 02:48:15	@Anton{Politoed}	which is more of just an announcement to mull over
2021-04-17 02:48:25	@Anton{Politoed}	-Removing M23 Favorite Capture; need new award idea
2021-04-17 02:48:32	@Anton{Politoed}	this is following up on a decision last year
2021-04-17 02:48:43	NinjaSquid	brb
2021-04-17 02:49:10	@Anton{Politoed}	Super Mario Odyssey, while a nice game with plenty of content, is moving towards the past, and maybe a dedicated award to it may not be the freshest thing
2021-04-17 02:49:13	Gabumon	favorite nintendo scam
2021-04-17 02:49:18	@Anton{Politoed}	valid
2021-04-17 02:49:36	Gabumon	switch online, 3d all-stars temporary bullshit, mario kart gacha
2021-04-17 02:49:59	Rose	Oh I forgot we can rag on 3D All-Stars this year
2021-04-17 02:49:59	Smasher	i hate that we can actual fill this category up
2021-04-17 02:50:00	Rose	Exciting
2021-04-17 02:50:01	Lakituthequick	I have a list of Mario games that released in the past year
2021-04-17 02:50:12	Lakituthequick	For when it is relevant
2021-04-17 02:50:19	@Anton{Politoed}	so basically from now until when we get to M23, which is likely 2 weeks from today, ponder what may serve as a new award idea, or if, huh, actually, favorite capture still feels cool
2021-04-17 02:50:27	@turb3	can't believe mario games actually came out last year
2021-04-17 02:50:34	@Anton{Politoed}	we don't need to decide on what the new award is by then
2021-04-17 02:50:36	Gabumon	if nobody comes up with an actual replacement, I will submit that as an actual suggestion
2021-04-17 02:51:05	@_2257	wouldnt that be mroe of a fail award
2021-04-17 02:51:12	Rose	When do we get the Favorite Depiction of Bowser award 
2021-04-17 02:51:19	BBQ_Turtle	While I don't have any brilliant replacement ideas now, I do think it's probably time to replace Favourite Capture.
2021-04-17 02:51:24	Gabumon	no, we gotta stay positive, 2257
2021-04-17 02:51:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah that's my only complaint
2021-04-17 02:51:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	biggest nintnedo fuckery would make a great fail award
2021-04-17 02:51:34	Gabumon	we love nintendo's hands in our wallets
2021-04-17 02:51:49	Smasher	legitimately wouldnt be against this as a fail award
2021-04-17 02:52:09	@_2257	it *would* be kind of funny
2021-04-17 02:52:21	Rose	I'm tossing out this legitimate suggestion before I forget to use it later
2021-04-17 02:52:21	@Anton{Politoed}	so with that all said, we can begin running through the Mario Awards
2021-04-17 02:52:23	NinjaSquid	Favorite Remake perhaps?
2021-04-17 02:52:42	Lakituthequick	Is this where I paste said list
2021-04-17 02:52:55	@Anton{Politoed}	yes, you may
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Rose	It could be worthwhile to have Favorite 3D Mission, if that doesn't interfere with Favorite Level too much, since Bowser's Fury has all of the additional shines to it
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	New games:
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	- Paper Mario: The Origami King - Nintendo Switch
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	- Super Mario 3D All-Stars - Nintendo Switch
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	- Super Mario Bros. 35 - Nintendo Switch
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	- Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit - Nintendo Switch
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	- Game & Watch: Super Mario Bros. - Game & Watch
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	- Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury - Nintendo Switch
2021-04-17 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	- Mario Golf: Super Rush - Nintendo Switch (UPCOMING)
2021-04-17 02:53:05	Rose	I'll mention that again later tm 
2021-04-17 02:53:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh yeah that mario kart live thing came out, huh
2021-04-17 02:53:28	Lakituthequick	"new" might be an overstatement fr some of these but this released
2021-04-17 02:53:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	it just kinda came out and everyone stopped talking
2021-04-17 02:53:32	@_2257	favorite mario kart live track
2021-04-17 02:53:45	Hooded_Pitohui	Super Rush is after polls open, at least
2021-04-17 02:53:51	Lakituthequick	Yeah
2021-04-17 02:54:00	@Anton{Politoed}	important note, the mario golf game comes out June 25th, and our polls open June 13th, rendering it invalid for our purposes
2021-04-17 02:54:02	Lakituthequick	No Golf on awards this year
2021-04-17 02:54:20	Smasher	i absolutely forgot mario kart live exists
2021-04-17 02:54:27	@Anton{Politoed}	while we may get write-ins for it that we end up counting in whatever award they may be, we just simply can't include it on Day 1 and ultimately formally
2021-04-17 02:54:29	Lakituthequick	But it's There and probably will be written in in some places
2021-04-17 02:54:39	Smasher	makes sense
2021-04-17 02:55:17	@Anton{Politoed}	this is what happened with Origami King as well
2021-04-17 02:55:41	Lakituthequick	Nintendo should stop releasing games in June
2021-04-17 02:55:48	@Anton{Politoed}	so, here we go
2021-04-17 02:56:01	@Anton{Politoed}	M1 Best Sound Design (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario 64, Super Mario World, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Super Paper Mario, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, 
2021-04-17 02:56:01	@Anton{Politoed}	Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Super Mario Odyssey, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Luigi's Mansion 3)
2021-04-17 02:56:05	Lakituthequick	14) Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest - 54 - 2.85%
2021-04-17 02:56:05	Lakituthequick	15) Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle - 34 - 1.79%
2021-04-17 02:56:05	Lakituthequick	16) Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - 30 - 1.58%
2021-04-17 02:56:05	Lakituthequick	17) O. Super Mario Galaxy 2 - 8 - 0.42%
2021-04-17 02:56:05	Lakituthequick	18) O. Mario Kart Wii - 6 - 0.32%
2021-04-17 02:56:05	Lakituthequick	19) O. Super Mario Maker 2 - 5 - 0.26%
2021-04-17 02:56:20	Rose	Origami King absolutely deserves imo to be on sound design 
2021-04-17 02:56:22	Lakituthequick	Add: Paper Mario: The Origami King
2021-04-17 02:56:26	@Anton{Politoed}	again, you may follow along here  https://docs.google.com/document/d/17UqmmbRi62NbK3clskZAN2hitNPeZF7F_9tDr615MJU/edit
2021-04-17 02:56:27	Rose	Yeah
2021-04-17 02:56:27	Hooded_Pitohui	Add Origami King
2021-04-17 02:56:46	Lakituthequick	TOK's soundtrack is amazing
2021-04-17 02:56:48	Smasher	was just about to ask if something that came out this year deserved it
2021-04-17 02:56:50	@Anton{Politoed}	and here is the complete results document from last year that ltq is pulling the numbers from  https://docs.google.com/document/d/17UqmmbRi62NbK3clskZAN2hitNPeZF7F_9tDr615MJU/edit
2021-04-17 02:57:06	Smasher	and by something i basically just mean origami king
2021-04-17 02:57:08	Goombuigi	I agree to add TOK
2021-04-17 02:57:16	Smasher	i havent played it but ill trust the judgement
2021-04-17 02:57:28	@Anton{Politoed}	for all of our polls we do have some limits
2021-04-17 02:57:29	NinjaSquid	same as smasher
2021-04-17 02:57:32	Smasher	i dont really think i care about removing anything here
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2021-04-17 02:57:40	@Anton{Politoed}	hard minimum of 5, soft limit of 15, hard limit of 18
2021-04-17 02:58:05	@Anton{Politoed}	this was due to limitations in the polldaddy polls, which is now no longer true
2021-04-17 02:58:17	@Anton{Politoed}	but I'm retaining it so we don't encourage increasingly longer and longer lists
2021-04-17 02:58:32	Hooded_Pitohui	Other than that, I don't think that any of the other releases have anything to offer here, unless SMB35 has a banging soundtrack I've missed out on (and none of the write-ins come close enough to deserve a push)
2021-04-17 02:58:42	Rose	SMB35 is nah
2021-04-17 02:58:58	Lakituthequick	it's got a catchy title screen but that's about it i guess
2021-04-17 02:59:08	@Anton{Politoed}	oops I pasted the same document
2021-04-17 02:59:11	@Anton{Politoed}	silly copy paste
2021-04-17 02:59:21	NinjaSquid	can we remove 64 and add sunshine :P
2021-04-17 02:59:37	@turb3	smb35 i don't even remember as having music
2021-04-17 02:59:40	@Anton{Politoed}	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C9osOJ-LYSoRhq5Wnu1kjRKSE2iG7RuQ-k9Pr7_A3xc/edit#
2021-04-17 02:59:43	@turb3	i am fine with adding origami king
2021-04-17 03:00:34	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Paper Mario: The Origami King" to M1? (y/n/a)
2021-04-17 03:00:38	Smasher	y
2021-04-17 03:00:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-04-17 03:00:41	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2021-04-17 03:00:42	Gabumon	a
2021-04-17 03:00:43	@_2257	a
2021-04-17 03:00:43	Goombuigi	y
2021-04-17 03:00:45	Lakituthequick	Y
2021-04-17 03:00:46	BBQ_Turtle	y
2021-04-17 03:00:52	Smasher	6-0-2
2021-04-17 03:01:03	@_2257	man i cant believe yoshi's island is sucking it so hard on this
2021-04-17 03:01:08	@turb3	y
2021-04-17 03:01:09	@_2257	i love that game's soundtrack
2021-04-17 03:01:12	@turb3	same
2021-04-17 03:01:18	@turb3	athletic theme saved my life
2021-04-17 03:01:20	Smasher	i no longer remember why i always count the votes but im ok with it
2021-04-17 03:01:27	NinjaSquid	a
2021-04-17 03:01:42	Smasher	7-0-3
2021-04-17 03:01:55	Rose	y
2021-04-17 03:01:55	@Anton{Politoed}	it has been added
2021-04-17 03:02:01	Smasher	8-0-3 final tally
2021-04-17 03:02:11	Lakituthequick	good
2021-04-17 03:02:29	Smasher	already said but im ok with leaving this at 17
2021-04-17 03:02:48	@Anton{Politoed}	I agree
2021-04-17 03:02:51	Lakituthequick	it should be at 18 now
2021-04-17 03:02:54	Smasher	i dont really have a strong desire to want yoshis island cut or anything
2021-04-17 03:02:55	Smasher	oh
2021-04-17 03:03:16	Rose	Surely nobody will notice if we cut Rabbids /s
2021-04-17 03:03:25	NinjaSquid	nah rose
2021-04-17 03:03:26	NinjaSquid	64
2021-04-17 03:03:32	Lakituthequick	my search and replace ", " => "\n" tells me it is indeed 18 now
2021-04-17 03:03:34	Rose	Yeah that'll go over well
2021-04-17 03:03:45	Smasher	64 finished 4th lol
2021-04-17 03:03:47	@Anton{Politoed}	there was a tie for 8th
2021-04-17 03:03:51	Smasher	ah
2021-04-17 03:04:00	@Anton{Politoed}	M2 Favorite Mario Kart Game (Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario Kart DS, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 7, Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Mario Kart Tour, Mario Kart Arcade GP, Mario Kart Arcade GP 2, Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, Mario Kart Arcade GP VR)
2021-04-17 03:04:09	Lakituthequick	11) Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 11 - 0.53%
2021-04-17 03:04:09	Lakituthequick	12) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 7 - 0.34%
2021-04-17 03:04:09	Lakituthequick	13) Mario Kart Arcade GP VR - 4 - 0.19%
2021-04-17 03:04:15	Smasher	well, live exists
2021-04-17 03:04:20	Smasher	i guess
2021-04-17 03:04:21	@turb3	live is a good point
2021-04-17 03:04:24	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't see a reason to exclude Live
2021-04-17 03:04:27	@turb3	we can just add that and move on I assume
2021-04-17 03:04:29	Lakituthequick	Live can be considered
2021-04-17 03:04:30	@_2257	i suppose there's no reason to not add it
2021-04-17 03:04:31	@Anton{Politoed}	live does indeed exist
2021-04-17 03:04:36	@turb3	we're trying to encompass every single mario kart game i assume
2021-04-17 03:04:41	@turb3	otherwise we wouldn't have bothered with the arcades
2021-04-17 03:04:41	Lakituthequick	On the other hand, we didn't at Tour either
2021-04-17 03:04:42	Hooded_Pitohui	Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit is the full name
2021-04-17 03:04:44	Smasher	we have the arcades, no real reason to exclude that one
2021-04-17 03:04:44	Lakituthequick	*add
2021-04-17 03:04:46	@_2257	ikd if i believe it's a "game" but i guess it's close enough
2021-04-17 03:04:51	Smasher	tour is there
2021-04-17 03:04:51	@turb3	we have tour on here
2021-04-17 03:04:51	@_2257	tour is on there?
2021-04-17 03:04:55	@turb3	it's just weirdly placed
2021-04-17 03:04:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	if we have tour and all the arcades
2021-04-17 03:05:00	Lakituthequick	I am blind
2021-04-17 03:05:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	then yeah
2021-04-17 03:05:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	add live
2021-04-17 03:05:15	Lakituthequick	Yes, then add it
2021-04-17 03:05:19	@Anton{Politoed}	given that this award is pretty much all-inclusive, there's not much reason to not add Live or to remove anything despite how miserable they scored
2021-04-17 03:05:33	Smasher	right
2021-04-17 03:05:35	@Anton{Politoed}	so, for clarity, adding "Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit"
2021-04-17 03:05:38	@_2257	add the mario kart happy meal toy i got 15 years ago
2021-04-17 03:05:44	Smasher	fine with me
2021-04-17 03:05:46	Lakituthequick	y
2021-04-17 03:05:47	Gabumon	y
2021-04-17 03:05:48	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2021-04-17 03:05:50	@_2257	y
2021-04-17 03:05:53	Rose	y
2021-04-17 03:05:54	Goombuigi	y
2021-04-17 03:05:55	BBQ_Turtle	y
2021-04-17 03:05:57	NinjaSquid	y
2021-04-17 03:05:59	Smasher	well that was at anton but sure
2021-04-17 03:06:05	@turb3	y
2021-04-17 03:06:19	Smasher	9-0-0 for the happy meal toy, or something
2021-04-17 03:06:31	Lakituthequick	expensive happy meal
2021-04-17 03:06:41	Rose	Maybe they reused the happy meal toy for live
2021-04-17 03:06:54	@Anton{Politoed}	M3 Favorite Mario Platformer (Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario 3D Land, New Super Mario Bros. U/New Super Luigi U/New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, Super Mario 3D World, 
2021-04-17 03:06:55	@Anton{Politoed}	Super Mario Odyssey, Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA), Super Mario Maker, Super Mario Maker 2)
2021-04-17 03:07:00	Lakituthequick	14) Super Mario 3D Land - 22 - 1.10%
2021-04-17 03:07:00	Lakituthequick	15) Super Mario Bros. - 19 - 0.95%
2021-04-17 03:07:00	Lakituthequick	16) Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA) - 17 - 0.85%
2021-04-17 03:07:00	Lakituthequick	17) O. New Super Mario Bros. 2 - 5 - 0.25%
2021-04-17 03:07:00	Lakituthequick	18) O. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins - 2 - 0.10%
2021-04-17 03:07:00	Lakituthequick	18) O. Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS - 2 - 0.10%
2021-04-17 03:07:00	Lakituthequick	18) O. Super Paper Mario - 2 - 0.10%
2021-04-17 03:07:19	Lakituthequick	write-ins aren't convincing
2021-04-17 03:07:26	@_2257	i think the only thing to do is replace 3d with 3d+bf, right
2021-04-17 03:07:30	Hooded_Pitohui	We should change "Super Mario 3D World" to "Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury" (and maybe do that for M1, too?)
2021-04-17 03:07:31	Smasher	i dont feel strongly on this one
2021-04-17 03:07:32	Lakituthequick	yea
2021-04-17 03:07:47	Smasher	ok yeah, add bowser's fury to 3d world
2021-04-17 03:07:48	@_2257	actually good point
2021-04-17 03:07:50	NinjaSquid	per 2257 and Pitohui
2021-04-17 03:07:57	Smasher	and on a1 for good measure, Whoops!
2021-04-17 03:07:57	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah i'm fine just leaving this as is 
2021-04-17 03:07:59	Lakituthequick	Actuall didn't we reverse it a couple yars ago
2021-04-17 03:07:59	Rose	Million dollar devil's advocate, do we tag Bowser's Fury onto 3D World or do we count it as its own thing 
2021-04-17 03:08:01	@_2257	is there any reason to not just globally replace 3dw with 3dwbf
2021-04-17 03:08:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	and doing that
2021-04-17 03:08:06	Lakituthequick	remove the remake tag of the nominee
2021-04-17 03:08:20	@_2257	oh, is that what we do
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2021-04-17 03:08:30	@Anton{Politoed}	if we did it must've been for an example of something that was starkly different
2021-04-17 03:08:37	@Anton{Politoed}	such as removing Psycho Kamek :pensive:
2021-04-17 03:08:43	Rose	I love how much of a stupid mouthful the NSMBU listing is
2021-04-17 03:08:44	Lakituthequick	Possibly
2021-04-17 03:08:45	Smasher	f
2021-04-17 03:08:59	Smasher	i was staring and nsmbu too
2021-04-17 03:09:03	Smasher	jesus christ
2021-04-17 03:09:13	@Anton{Politoed}	I can look into this later, and should it be true I will either render it an immediate decision or bring it up in the next relevant meeting
2021-04-17 03:09:21	@_2257	well actually
2021-04-17 03:09:28	@_2257	look at 64/64ds is written
2021-04-17 03:09:31	@_2257	look at how*
2021-04-17 03:09:33	Lakituthequick	Looking at the polls it appears that there is indeed multiple names for those
2021-04-17 03:09:45	Lakituthequick	So adding the +BF would make sense
2021-04-17 03:09:46	Hooded_Pitohui	The only thing I can think of is people folding Bowser's Minions and Bowser's Junior's Journey into just SS and BiS
2021-04-17 03:09:50	Lakituthequick	For both this one and M1
2021-04-17 03:10:26	Rose	Is there enough of a difference between the Wii U version of 3D World and the Switch version to list them with a / 
2021-04-17 03:10:33	Rose	I know that some physics and mechanics changed but
2021-04-17 03:10:43	@Anton{Politoed}	god i hope not
2021-04-17 03:10:47	@_2257	i dont think so
2021-04-17 03:10:48	Lakituthequick	there's a whole new mode Rose
2021-04-17 03:10:49	Hooded_Pitohui	Hmm...
2021-04-17 03:10:58	NinjaSquid	yeah, there was multiple minor changes
2021-04-17 03:10:59	@turb3	i thought the only difference was just the mode
2021-04-17 03:11:00	Hooded_Pitohui	Not in 3D World itself, no
2021-04-17 03:11:05	Lakituthequick	True
2021-04-17 03:11:05	@turb3	did the game mechanics change
2021-04-17 03:11:06	NinjaSquid	in 3D world in mean
2021-04-17 03:11:09	Lakituthequick	Just a few QoL things
2021-04-17 03:11:11	Rose	Right, but I mean like, are people gonna be like "hnnngggggg the Switch version is so different in the main game!" 
2021-04-17 03:11:12	Hooded_Pitohui	There were a few minor physics and level changes, Turb
2021-04-17 03:11:14	@_2257	3d world mode IS different, but not much
2021-04-17 03:11:14	NinjaSquid	just a second
2021-04-17 03:11:14	Hooded_Pitohui	Also stamps
2021-04-17 03:11:15	@turb3	god
2021-04-17 03:11:39	Smasher	ive only played bowser's fury so i would know nothing about 3d world switch & knuckles
2021-04-17 03:11:39	Lakituthequick	They made up for the lack of a microphone andstuff too yeah
2021-04-17 03:11:40	@Anton{Politoed}	if they go hnnnng they'll just write in "i specifically vote for _" like they do with sm64 and I'll just lump it in regardless
2021-04-17 03:11:43	@turb3	i mean if bowser's fury is just 3d world but better then i feel like we should just fold them in
2021-04-17 03:11:44	@turb3	yeah
2021-04-17 03:11:48	Rose	Cool
2021-04-17 03:12:32	NinjaSquid	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZX3N80u9w0
2021-04-17 03:12:33	Lakituthequick	so
2021-04-17 03:12:49	Lakituthequick	adding BF to the thing sounds good to me then
2021-04-17 03:13:00	Rose	Writing out stuff in these 'Shroom issues has been wild, I've had to type out [[The 'Shroom:Issue 169/Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury Photo Contest]] at least twice
2021-04-17 03:13:35	Rose	I'm fine with just adding bf
2021-04-17 03:13:36	@Anton{Politoed}	I have made this effective in the awards M1, M3, M30, and F15
2021-04-17 03:13:46	Rose	👍
2021-04-17 03:14:13	@Anton{Politoed}	anything else for M3?
2021-04-17 03:14:27	Hooded_Pitohui	Not that I have
2021-04-17 03:14:43	NinjaSquid	not really
2021-04-17 03:14:46	Smasher	!skip
2021-04-17 03:15:01	Lakituthequick	n
2021-04-17 03:15:15	@Anton{Politoed}	also of note, we do go over the entire set of awards at least one more time later in the season with a fine-toothed comb, and can always return to decisions
2021-04-17 03:15:18	@Anton{Politoed}	M4 Favorite Mario Kart Course (Bowser's Castle (N64), Rainbow Road (3DS), Wario Colosseum, Waluigi Pinball, Airship Fortress, Mushroom Gorge, Coconut Mall, Maple Treeway, Electrodrome, N64 Rainbow Road (Wii U), Mount Wario, Animal Crossing, Baby Park, Big Blue, Koopa Cape, Neo Bowser City, Grumble Volcano, Rainbow Road (Wii))
2021-04-17 03:15:21	Lakituthequick	16) Wario Colosseum - 48 - 2.51%
2021-04-17 03:15:21	Lakituthequick	17) Animal Crossing - 38 - 1.98%
2021-04-17 03:15:21	Lakituthequick	18) Grumble Volcano - 32 - 1.67%
2021-04-17 03:15:22	Lakituthequick	19) O. Rainbow Road (N64) - 10 - 0.52%
2021-04-17 03:15:22	Lakituthequick	20) O. Tick-Tock Clock - 9 - 0.47%
2021-04-17 03:15:22	Lakituthequick	20) O. Wild Woods - 9 - 0.47%
2021-04-17 03:15:43	@Anton{Politoed}	this award is packed, any addition would require a removal
2021-04-17 03:16:05	@_2257	is rainbow road (n64) close enough
2021-04-17 03:16:16	Smasher	if we were to swap anything out it'd probably be grumble volcano and rainbow road 64
2021-04-17 03:16:19	Rose	Someday, Wild Woods, someday... 
2021-04-17 03:16:19	@turb3	for addition
2021-04-17 03:16:20	@turb3	?
2021-04-17 03:16:31	Hooded_Pitohui	I feel the same way, Rose
2021-04-17 03:16:32	NinjaSquid	grumble volcano being so low is embarrassing
2021-04-17 03:16:33	Lakituthequick	Is there anything mindblowing in Tour yet
2021-04-17 03:16:37	@turb3	it's not at all close to the wii u version of the track, they redid it very heavily
2021-04-17 03:16:43	Smasher	neither of which i particularly care about, so!
2021-04-17 03:16:46	@turb3	but i do think it could be viable for switching out possibly
2021-04-17 03:16:47	Rose	Can we add My Living Room 
2021-04-17 03:16:52	@turb3	but it's close to tick tock clock and stuff so _
2021-04-17 03:16:58	Smasher	Rose's Living Room
2021-04-17 03:17:14	Hooded_Pitohui	I don't know that N64 Rainbow Road is close enough to add over Grumble Volcano
2021-04-17 03:17:19	Smasher	not sure if anything in tour is worth adding or not?
2021-04-17 03:17:35	NinjaSquid	i don't really like N64 Rainbow Road tbh
2021-04-17 03:17:50	Lakituthequick	N64 RR is just long
2021-04-17 03:17:52	Lakituthequick	That's it 
2021-04-17 03:17:56	Hooded_Pitohui	I've not heard any glowing praise for Tour or Live courses
2021-04-17 03:17:57	Lakituthequick	That's the ciurse
2021-04-17 03:18:00	Rose	I don't see a big reason to swap it out rn 
2021-04-17 03:18:01	Smasher	for the record im indifferent to that switch - if anything i recall rainbow road 64 being on here before and getting swapped out due to not doing well
2021-04-17 03:18:11	Rose	Yeah same @ smasher
2021-04-17 03:18:19	@turb3	personally i'd rather have grumble volcano because it's more unique
2021-04-17 03:18:27	Lakituthequick	I remember when it got really high as a writein
2021-04-17 03:18:34	NinjaSquid	grumble volcano is a fun course
2021-04-17 03:18:36	Lakituthequick	That was like 6 yarsa go
2021-04-17 03:18:38	@turb3	n64 rainbow road and the wii u version of the track are both different but n64 version is just long
2021-04-17 03:18:45	Gabumon	I think like
2021-04-17 03:18:47	Smasher	so id *probably* lean towards keeping this award as is, i just noted it because it makes the most sense as a switch
2021-04-17 03:18:48	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm doing some research really quick
2021-04-17 03:18:57	Smasher	i just dont care know if i want one
2021-04-17 03:19:00	Gabumon	our personal feelings regarding those courses are probably less important
2021-04-17 03:19:10	@turb3	yeah that's true
2021-04-17 03:19:31	Gabumon	I would consider the switch if the write-ins were like, closer to 16
2021-04-17 03:19:33	@turb3	i just don't think the votes indicate enough of a gap
2021-04-17 03:19:49	@turb3	if rainbow road n64 was higher, much more above tick tock clock and wild woods, i'd be very on board
2021-04-17 03:19:53	Gabumon	under the current circumstances I don't think it's warranted enough
2021-04-17 03:19:54	Hooded_Pitohui	The votes aren't close enough for me to swap
2021-04-17 03:20:01	@Anton{Politoed}	this is only the 3rd time in 5 years that Rainbow Road (N64) has even been written in
2021-04-17 03:20:03	@turb3	and animal crossing and grumble volcano aren't that far from each other either
2021-04-17 03:20:09	@turb3	damn
2021-04-17 03:20:13	@Anton{Politoed}	two year it wasn't at all
2021-04-17 03:20:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	that affets my perception a lot
2021-04-17 03:20:25	@Anton{Politoed}	last year, while not the most votes, is its highest placement
2021-04-17 03:20:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's not like we ave a consistent contigent of desperate rr (n64) fans
2021-04-17 03:20:47	Goombuigi	I'm personally fine without any changes to the list
2021-04-17 03:21:03	Lakituthequick	same
2021-04-17 03:21:05	@turb3	same
2021-04-17 03:21:08	NinjaSquid	same
2021-04-17 03:21:18	Hooded_Pitohui	Same
2021-04-17 03:21:20	@Anton{Politoed}	any rainbow road 64 fans, this is your year to pack the votes
2021-04-17 03:21:25	Lakituthequick	whoa, capitals
2021-04-17 03:22:26	@Anton{Politoed}	so if that's consensus, no changes to M4
2021-04-17 03:23:05	@Anton{Politoed}	M5-7 are a special set
2021-04-17 03:23:19	@Anton{Politoed}	Favorite DK/Wario/Yoshi ___
2021-04-17 03:23:48	Smasher	yeah im ok with leaving m4 as is /late
2021-04-17 03:23:49	@Anton{Politoed}	we cycle these out each year to maintain some sense of freshness, as at one point we had pretty much every iteration of them and the results were stagnant and dull, and took up time and space
2021-04-17 03:23:58	Gabumon	has anything noteworthy happened to either of those series recently
2021-04-17 03:24:10	Lakituthequick	Yoshi got a game in 2019
2021-04-17 03:24:14	Rose	When was Yoshi last yeah
2021-04-17 03:24:40	@Anton{Politoed}	Game, Level, Character is what we cycle with, and up next is Level which was last done in 2018
2021-04-17 03:24:51	Lakituthequick	As this year's cycle would be level I wrote it down but I don't have the game
2021-04-17 03:24:55	@turb3	oh boy
2021-04-17 03:24:58	@Anton{Politoed}	we can certainly discuss doing something different
2021-04-17 03:25:02	@turb3	level
2021-04-17 03:25:02	Rose	Oh god I always forget how these awards works
2021-04-17 03:25:10	@turb3	finally can petition to put krack shot kroc on
2021-04-17 03:25:11	Rose	I keep thinking we cycle through series, not category 
2021-04-17 03:25:18	Hooded_Pitohui	Rose we had this discussion like two weeks ago
2021-04-17 03:25:23	@turb3	didn't blocky or someone mention doing something different with these though
2021-04-17 03:25:24	Rose	I know
2021-04-17 03:25:25	@turb3	or was that last year
2021-04-17 03:25:26	Rose	And I still forgot
2021-04-17 03:25:27	@turb3	time is an enigma
2021-04-17 03:25:45	NinjaSquid	I like the level in Yoshi's Crafted World, with the axe wielding clown puppets
2021-04-17 03:25:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	i brought up the concept of having it be a fourth category to account for how little focus these three get, but i didn't have a speciifc idea for the fourth 
2021-04-17 03:25:58	Lakituthequick	axe wielding clown puppets
2021-04-17 03:26:01	Hooded_Pitohui	Crafted World was a good game
2021-04-17 03:26:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	just "idk something new maybe???" in my notes
2021-04-17 03:26:03	@Anton{Politoed}	if there's considerable thought in doing something different, we can discuss that here briefly and heave it over to the forums
2021-04-17 03:26:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	so unless we can come up with a good one, i say we just go back to level
2021-04-17 03:26:14	Lakituthequick	did not expect to hear those four words today
2021-04-17 03:26:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	i.e. it's not good to force it for the sake thereof
2021-04-17 03:26:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	OH
2021-04-17 03:26:35	Rose	You're telling me you don't want Favorite Background Element 
2021-04-17 03:26:35	Honoka_Chaosaka	WAIT
2021-04-17 03:26:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	I REMEMBER
2021-04-17 03:26:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	MUSIC
2021-04-17 03:26:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	THAT WAS THE IDEA
2021-04-17 03:26:43	Rose	Oh! 
2021-04-17 03:26:50	Hooded_Pitohui	Oh. That could be reasonable
2021-04-17 03:26:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	splitting off the OSTs for these games into awards for tracks here
2021-04-17 03:26:51	Lakituthequick	Refresh my mind
2021-04-17 03:26:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	away from our existing ones
2021-04-17 03:26:56	Gabumon	if you do wario level, get ready for an influx of "I don't know any of these, what the hell is a toxic landfill" write-ins
2021-04-17 03:27:12	NinjaSquid	Be Afraid of the Dark
2021-04-17 03:27:15	Rose	I like music because then we can nominate New Island for none of it
2021-04-17 03:27:24	@Anton{Politoed}	we do have two music awards already, lyrical and instrumental, would this idea add to that or be essentially redundant
2021-04-17 03:27:26	Gabumon	I think I'm like one of the only 4 people in the world who care about wario land
2021-04-17 03:27:30	Hooded_Pitohui	I presume this would be completely instrumental, Perch?
2021-04-17 03:27:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	yes, and it would split off like with the levels 
2021-04-17 03:27:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	ie. 
2021-04-17 03:27:40	Lakituthequick	For reference here is the 2018 full list: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U-xcZsE8arNBgiYbeb3N4GVsobczDv6YpI8kYp3qYL8/edit
2021-04-17 03:27:46	@Anton{Politoed}	or would it necessitate a change in the other two to be tighter, as M5-7 currently forced other level awards and such to focus purely on Mario
2021-04-17 03:27:48	Lakituthequick	and results: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uDZt_DucxvdKpLAALklRGAVCVohrUIi8j4zZa84B0UU/edit#heading=h.uw2qwtqrc78o
2021-04-17 03:27:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	when we created the wario/yoshi/dk level awards, we narrowed down the existing - yes
2021-04-17 03:27:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's the idea
2021-04-17 03:27:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	our existing two music awards would be narrowe ddown to just mario
2021-04-17 03:28:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	and music from these series would be solely in these awards
2021-04-17 03:28:14	Hooded_Pitohui	Lyrical songs is pretty sparse without the subseries though
2021-04-17 03:28:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	hmm
2021-04-17 03:28:24	Hooded_Pitohui	Would it make sense to just narrow down instrumental
2021-04-17 03:28:29	Hooded_Pitohui	And leave lyrical all-inclusive
2021-04-17 03:28:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	we could try that?
2021-04-17 03:28:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	lyrical has a much smaller pool in general, after all
2021-04-17 03:28:56	Lakituthequick	DK and Yoshi I could see working with music
2021-04-17 03:28:57	BBQ_Turtle	I think that would be best to keep the numbers of nominees consistent.
2021-04-17 03:28:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	whereas instrumental could easily pull together 18 from just like
2021-04-17 03:29:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	two games alone
2021-04-17 03:29:11	@turb3	yeah agreed
2021-04-17 03:29:12	@Anton{Politoed}	DK and Wario songs populate top results in Lyrical pretty well, but in Instrumental it's a complete wash of all Mario
2021-04-17 03:29:14	Lakituthequick	Wario isn't really known for music I thik?
2021-04-17 03:29:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	ltq is this greenhorn forest erasure i hear
2021-04-17 03:29:25	Rose	Wario is the only issue I see with music yeah
2021-04-17 03:29:29	@turb3	wario music owns but the voters don't feel that way
2021-04-17 03:29:30	Hooded_Pitohui	So, Favorite Yoshi instrumental track, Favorite DK instrumental Track, Favorite Wario Instrumental Track, Favorite Mario Instrumental Track, and Favorite Lyrical Song
2021-04-17 03:29:33	Hooded_Pitohui	Rose are you kidding
2021-04-17 03:29:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	that'd be the idea!
2021-04-17 03:29:38	Hooded_Pitohui	Wario World and Wario Land music
2021-04-17 03:29:40	@turb3	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVFG9lqzX4
2021-04-17 03:29:42	@turb3	exhibit A
2021-04-17 03:29:42	Rose	Donkey Kong would definitely benefit from music
2021-04-17 03:29:44	BBQ_Turtle	Donkey Kong could easily fill an instrumental music nominees list.
2021-04-17 03:29:44	Rose	I'm sure it's good
2021-04-17 03:29:49	Smasher	yeah if we were to do his id leave lyrical as is
2021-04-17 03:29:53	Rose	But does anybody know any Wario music outside of this meeting
2021-04-17 03:29:55	@turb3	i will work on a wario instrumental music list myself if i have to
2021-04-17 03:30:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kwoHOciDM this song just 
2021-04-17 03:30:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	sums up wario as a character
2021-04-17 03:30:11	Lakituthequick	I recognise the greenhorn music, looking it up
2021-04-17 03:30:20	NinjaSquid	I would agree with doing music
2021-04-17 03:30:24	Rose	Oh yeah I know this track 
2021-04-17 03:30:26	Hooded_Pitohui	[s]brb gonna start a Palette Swap section showcasing Wario Music for the plebians[/s]
2021-04-17 03:30:40	Smasher	i cant name a specific wario tune besides the one that randomly got added as warios victory theme in smash and like, the warioware theme
2021-04-17 03:30:43	Rose	Guest section just for when awards starts
2021-04-17 03:30:46	NinjaSquid	Yoshi's Island and Woolly World both have some great musics
2021-04-17 03:30:50	Rose	OH
2021-04-17 03:30:51	Smasher	but i also am bad at music
2021-04-17 03:30:54	Rose	I forgot about WarioWare too
2021-04-17 03:30:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	Rose...
2021-04-17 03:31:02	Rose	Although I guess the most memorable WW songs are lyrical huh
2021-04-17 03:31:10	Smasher	can we expel rose
2021-04-17 03:31:15	Rose	Please
2021-04-17 03:31:22	NinjaSquid	although, I can't be of help with Wario 
2021-04-17 03:31:24	NinjaSquid	sorry
2021-04-17 03:31:27	Hooded_Pitohui	Anyways, I support Perch's plan and the idea of "narrow down instrumental to Mario and leave Lyrical all-inclusive"
2021-04-17 03:31:35	Lakituthequick	Guess Wario does have music
2021-04-17 03:31:35	@Anton{Politoed}	alright, so what I will do later is create a forum topic for this in our staff board, list each music award option and generate or open a nominee listing for them
2021-04-17 03:31:39	Smasher	i think im ok with this idea
2021-04-17 03:31:55	NinjaSquid	sounds good
2021-04-17 03:31:55	Smasher	the dk music award is going to own
2021-04-17 03:31:57	@Anton{Politoed}	as well as generate nominees for each respective Levels award should we decide to not pursue the music option
2021-04-17 03:32:00	Goombuigi	Yeah, I agree
2021-04-17 03:32:02	@Anton{Politoed}	we can then discuss and vote
2021-04-17 03:32:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	[s]i've got it: replace favorite capture with favorite DKC cartoon song[/s]
2021-04-17 03:32:10	Hooded_Pitohui	Sounds like a plan
2021-04-17 03:32:13	Smasher	:rainghost:
2021-04-17 03:32:13	Rose	I will singlehandedly get Aquatic Ambience to number one on the polls -says before Stickerbrush Symphony wins
2021-04-17 03:32:18	@turb3	sounds like a good idea
2021-04-17 03:32:31	Hooded_Pitohui	[s]Pander to Glowsquid and add "Favorite DK Planet segment"[/s]
2021-04-17 03:33:10	@Anton{Politoed}	this might take me some time so don't expect it to appear quickly, or complete, but I will certainly work on it to be ready by 2 meetings from now
2021-04-17 03:34:40	@Anton{Politoed}	so with that, M5, M6, and M7 are shelved for later
2021-04-17 03:34:41	Gabumon	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1a-8sLP-YI
2021-04-17 03:35:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	i need to play wario land 4
2021-04-17 03:35:20	@turb3	hype track
2021-04-17 03:35:39	Hooded_Pitohui	You do Perch
2021-04-17 03:35:40	@Anton{Politoed}	M8 Favorite Art Style (Retro style sprites, Yoshi's Island style, Donkey Kong Country style, Main series 3D style, Paper Mario style, Mario & Luigi style, Wario Land: Shake It! style, Super Mario RPG style, Super Mario Strikers style, WarioWare style, 2D promotional artwork style, Super Mario-Kun style, Handcrafted Yoshi style, 
2021-04-17 03:35:41	@Anton{Politoed}	Kinopio-kun monthly calendar wallpaper styles)
2021-04-17 03:35:44	Smasher	i have played wario land 4 but have never finished it
2021-04-17 03:35:54	Lakituthequick	12) WarioWare style - 46 - 2.40%
2021-04-17 03:35:54	Lakituthequick	13) Super Mario-Kun style - 27 - 1.41%
2021-04-17 03:35:54	Lakituthequick	14) Kinopio-kun monthly calendar wallpaper styles - 23 - 1.20%
2021-04-17 03:35:54	Lakituthequick	15) O. Super Mario Adventures style - 2 - 0.10%
2021-04-17 03:35:54	Lakituthequick	15) O. Wario Land 4 style - 2 - 0.10%
2021-04-17 03:35:54	Lakituthequick	17) O. Mario vs. Donkey Kong style - 1 - 0.05%
2021-04-17 03:35:58	NinjaSquid	Origami?
2021-04-17 03:36:10	Rose	I think Origami fits Paper Mario fine
2021-04-17 03:36:12	Smasher	paper mario is there
2021-04-17 03:36:20	@Anton{Politoed}	with this award I feel it's necessary to bring up a document we began a couple years ago to help keep discussion tight
2021-04-17 03:36:20	Smasher	i dont feel a need to split it
2021-04-17 03:36:21	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43693/
2021-04-17 03:36:21	Lakituthequick	Origami is PM but I do see why it would make sence
2021-04-17 03:36:27	@Anton{Politoed}	award definitions
2021-04-17 03:36:33	BBQ_Turtle	Slightly off-topic, but the Kamek poll has just tipped over 5,000 votes.
2021-04-17 03:36:46	@_2257	origami falls under the same rubric as considering mario galaxy and mario 64 the same thing imo
2021-04-17 03:36:54	@Anton{Politoed}	 369 signals left to exhaust
2021-04-17 03:36:54	Lakituthequick	That said I do think it falls under the PM umbrella just fine
2021-04-17 03:36:54	Smasher	agreed
2021-04-17 03:37:08	Hooded_Pitohui	I see the point with Origami but I think it works in PM
2021-04-17 03:37:09	Lakituthequick	I was the 4999 th vote
2021-04-17 03:37:17	Rose	Origami does a lot of unique things with world design but it's still PM so
2021-04-17 03:37:20	@turb3	i agree with 22
2021-04-17 03:37:20	@Anton{Politoed}	 M8 - Favorite Art Style - The best visual style used in Mario media. This features prominently used, distinct, and recognizable art styles, but does not include one-off styles. A focus is placed on overall aesthetics over deviations due to hardware limitations (for example: SM64 looks different from SMG, but this seems to be a product of hardware limitations
2021-04-17 03:37:20	@Anton{Politoed}	rather than artistic choice. Promotional renderings of the game show Mario in the familiar main series style. Therefore, we do not recognize SM64 as its own art style).
2021-04-17 03:37:32	Hooded_Pitohui	I have an off-the-wall thought for this one, though
2021-04-17 03:37:40	@turb3	i guess in some level they've been taking different approaches with how "paper" the series is though
2021-04-17 03:37:48	Hooded_Pitohui	A lot of Nintendo promotional stuff over the years have used, like, felt puppets
2021-04-17 03:37:49	Hooded_Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Izzy
2021-04-17 03:37:54	Hooded_Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Shitamachi_Ninj%C5%8D_Gekij%C5%8D
2021-04-17 03:38:01	Hooded_Pitohui	Is that something worth considering?
2021-04-17 03:38:17	Hooded_Pitohui	(I don't really think it fits but I'm throwing it out anyways)
2021-04-17 03:38:22	@Anton{Politoed}	"Mario urges Toad to kill his victim."
2021-04-17 03:38:30	Rose	It coooould work but I don't think it's gonna be a thing people are like "yeah this is my favorite" 
2021-04-17 03:38:36	@_2257	i dont know but we definitely should put shitamachi ninjou gekijou on here lmao
2021-04-17 03:38:46	@_2257	maybe not on this award but somewhere
2021-04-17 03:38:47	Rose	It feels too moment to moment on when the puppets pop up
2021-04-17 03:39:05	Hooded_Pitohui	That's my take, Rose
2021-04-17 03:39:11	@Anton{Politoed}	"  Bill Gates explains to Mario and Toad the true purpose of Windows 95."
2021-04-17 03:39:20	Smasher	>Mario urges Toad to kill his victim is actually real
2021-04-17 03:39:22	Hooded_Pitohui	There's never really been a consistent use, just one-offs for various random things
2021-04-17 03:39:27	Smasher	i love this article already
2021-04-17 03:39:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	>implying toad needed encouragement
2021-04-17 03:39:50	@Anton{Politoed}	this gives me an idea for an award for like Favorite Article or like favorite wiki line
2021-04-17 03:39:56	Smasher	im gonna just say that i agree with rose's take and i personally think this award is good as is
2021-04-17 03:39:58	@Anton{Politoed}	would be Community Awards territory
2021-04-17 03:40:00	Rose	Oooo
2021-04-17 03:40:03	Rose	I do like that
2021-04-17 03:40:08	Hooded_Pitohui	Since this article has the template, I just want to tell you you did a really good job with the construction templates, 22
2021-04-17 03:40:09	Smasher	ok that's not a bad idea
2021-04-17 03:40:13	Rose	Favorite Rare Sentence 
2021-04-17 03:40:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd be down for it
2021-04-17 03:40:20	Smasher	yes
2021-04-17 03:40:23	@Anton{Politoed}	would also necessitate a community award cut
2021-04-17 03:40:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	people praise rare sentences all the time!
2021-04-17 03:40:23	Lakituthequick	Those are good ideas yeah
2021-04-17 03:40:24	Hooded_Pitohui	That could work
2021-04-17 03:40:42	@Anton{Politoed}	or, perhaps, a return to C11-15
2021-04-17 03:40:48	BBQ_Turtle	How exactly would something like that work though?
2021-04-17 03:40:55	Lakituthequick	👀
2021-04-17 03:41:01	NinjaSquid	Can Super Smash Bros. style be consider?
2021-04-17 03:41:06	Hooded_Pitohui	I'd have to think about what would be worth cutting, though, or if we could make enough to justify extra awards
2021-04-17 03:41:08	Rose	We'll just cut the Community Achievement award, it's not like that one's very important or anything 
2021-04-17 03:41:11	Lakituthequick	>Smash
2021-04-17 03:41:22	@Anton{Politoed}	don't know, but it can be discussed, I'll make a New Award Incubator topic on the forum and plop it in
2021-04-17 03:41:33	Smasher	In the magazine, many vulgar instances can be noted, from smoking and oral sex, to Mario killing Princess Peach and Toad.
2021-04-17 03:41:43	Smasher	why the hell has no one ever told me about this
2021-04-17 03:41:50	Smasher	what is this series
2021-04-17 03:41:53	@turb3	super mario fact award
2021-04-17 03:41:53	Hooded_Pitohui	Glowsquid talks about it all the time
2021-04-17 03:41:55	Hooded_Pitohui	Ask him
2021-04-17 03:41:56	@_2257	thanks pitphui
2021-04-17 03:41:59	NinjaSquid	Smash looks a bit more realistic
2021-04-17 03:42:05	@Anton{Politoed}	"  Bowser and Mario surprised to find Peach and Toad having oral sex."
2021-04-17 03:42:13	Smasher	:fuck:
2021-04-17 03:42:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	i would be surprise!
2021-04-17 03:42:31	@Anton{Politoed}	but back to M8, are there other instances of this felt design
2021-04-17 03:42:37	Lakituthequick	this sounds like it might be inappropriate to add 
2021-04-17 03:42:44	Lakituthequick	*too inappropriate
2021-04-17 03:42:47	Rose	There's the uhhhh Reggie and gang felt puppets from that one time 
2021-04-17 03:42:50	Hooded_Pitohui	I feel like there are but uhhh
2021-04-17 03:42:51	Hooded_Pitohui	Oh
2021-04-17 03:42:54	Hooded_Pitohui	The Cat Mario Show
2021-04-17 03:43:00	Lakituthequick	Oh yeah
2021-04-17 03:43:05	Hooded_Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_Cat_Mario_Show#:~:text=The%20Cat%20Mario%20Show%20is,educate%20and%20entertain%20younger%20players.
2021-04-17 03:43:05	Lakituthequick	The Cat Mario Show
2021-04-17 03:43:07	Lakituthequick	What a series
2021-04-17 03:43:19	Hooded_Pitohui	Google, die. Don't add text onto my URLS
2021-04-17 03:44:01	Lakituthequick	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_Cat_Mario_Show here you go
2021-04-17 03:44:20	Rose	"Marketable plushies artstyle" 
2021-04-17 03:44:54	Hooded_Pitohui	That's all I can think of off the top of my head but there might be something or another more obscure out there
2021-04-17 03:44:58	@Anton{Politoed}	what would a prospective nominee for this be called
2021-04-17 03:45:13	@Anton{Politoed}	felt doesn't feel too accurate, but perhaps leaning towards puppetry
2021-04-17 03:45:23	Rose	Life action puppet? 
2021-04-17 03:45:26	Rose	*Live
2021-04-17 03:45:29	BBQ_Turtle	Would the Woolly Yoshi shorts fall under that banner too?
2021-04-17 03:45:32	Hooded_Pitohui	Promotional Mario Puppets?
2021-04-17 03:45:38	Hooded_Pitohui	There are Woolly Yoshi shorts?
2021-04-17 03:45:47	Rose	Oh yeah the Woolly shorts 
2021-04-17 03:45:49	@Anton{Politoed}	yoshi in shorts would be cute
2021-04-17 03:46:00	Rose	Yeah but those aren't puppets, they're plushies
2021-04-17 03:46:02	BBQ_Turtle	I don't know how they're done, I just know they exist.
2021-04-17 03:46:07	Hooded_Pitohui	I'll be
2021-04-17 03:46:08	Hooded_Pitohui	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R3d0dDRb7g
2021-04-17 03:46:11	Rose	So they aren't exactly the same thing
2021-04-17 03:46:18	Lakituthequick	Yeah Yoshi things are stop-motion
2021-04-17 03:46:20	BBQ_Turtle	If it's stop motion it could kind of count?
2021-04-17 03:46:25	Lakituthequick	With the amiibo of them
2021-04-17 03:46:45	Rose	It is puppetry arguably, just, a different kind
2021-04-17 03:47:58	@Anton{Politoed}	this is indescribably cute
2021-04-17 03:48:26	Hooded_Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Yoshi_Theater_(Poochy_%26_Yoshi%27s_Woolly_World)
2021-04-17 03:48:31	Hooded_Pitohui	Wiki calls 'em puppets
2021-04-17 03:49:17	Rose	Well, it works then
2021-04-17 03:49:22	@Anton{Politoed}	stop-motion lingo also refers to them as puppets
2021-04-17 03:49:49	<--	Goombuigi (Mibbit@00-26-74-261.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
2021-04-17 03:50:37	BBQ_Turtle	They also did a bunch of the LINE gifs in the same style.
2021-04-17 03:51:13	@Anton{Politoed}	so, what we need here is a concise nominee name that implies referring to all of these examples
2021-04-17 03:51:41	@Anton{Politoed}	live-action puppet style, something like that
2021-04-17 03:52:16	Gabumon	how well known is this stuff actually
2021-04-17 03:52:17	Lakituthequick	I think "live-action" wouldn't be accurate here, but "stop-motion" would work
2021-04-17 03:52:17	Hooded_Pitohui	I think "Live-action puppet style" works fine, actually
2021-04-17 03:52:29	Rose	Stop motion isn't quite accurate for the actual puppets though
2021-04-17 03:52:43	Hooded_Pitohui	I think it's pretty obscure, Edo
2021-04-17 03:52:50	Rose	I think live action is a functional term
2021-04-17 03:52:54	Gabumon	like, if I saw "live-action puppet style" on a poll, I wouldn't know what that means
2021-04-17 03:52:59	Smasher	i don't really know much about this
2021-04-17 03:53:04	Hooded_Pitohui	I feel like the only one i hear people bring up is really the Cat Mario Show, and only very rarely
2021-04-17 03:54:09	@turb3	i honestly probably wouldnt know about the puppet thing without the wiki
2021-04-17 03:54:10	@Anton{Politoed}	we do have a pretty generic "2D promotional artwork style" that isn't very specific, but I do admit it's easier to think of examples for that
2021-04-17 03:54:34	@Anton{Politoed}	it could be a valid nominee should we get a good name for it
2021-04-17 03:55:17	Gabumon	I just think if we aren't able to convey to the average internet passerby what we're referring to, maybe it's not meant to be
2021-04-17 03:55:29	@Anton{Politoed}	agreeable
2021-04-17 03:55:34	@turb3	understandable
2021-04-17 03:55:39	Hooded_Pitohui	I can get behind that.
2021-04-17 03:55:39	Lakituthequick	good point
2021-04-17 03:55:55	Rose	Yeah
2021-04-17 03:55:57	@Anton{Politoed}	so I'll leave it at that, but should the spark of inspiration hit someone either in the shower or on the bowl, do let me know
2021-04-17 03:56:01	Hooded_Pitohui	It's kind of a disjointed series of one-off things here and there
2021-04-17 03:56:28	Smasher	agreed with edo
2021-04-17 03:57:07	@Anton{Politoed}	let's see if we can ram one more in tonight
2021-04-17 03:57:18	@Anton{Politoed}	M9 Favorite Add-on Content (The Legend of Zelda × Mario Kart 8, Animal Crossing × Mario Kart 8, Mercedes-Benz × Mario Kart 8, New Super Luigi U, Peach's Castle stage (SSB4), Super Mario Maker stage (SSB4), Super Mario Mash-Up Pack (Minecraft), Luigi's Balloon World (SMO), Yoshi's Island Zone (Sonic Lost World), e-Reader Levels (SMA4:SMB3), Pixel Pack (M+RKB),
2021-04-17 03:57:19	@Anton{Politoed}	Season Pass (M+RKB), Special Episode (CT:TT), Nintendo Labo VR (SMO), Piranha Plant (SSBU), Multiplayer Pack (LM3), A Legendary Update (version 2.0) (SMM2), World Maker Update (version 3.0) (SMM2))
2021-04-17 03:57:23	Lakituthequick	16) Special Episode (CT:TT) - 17 - 0.95%
2021-04-17 03:57:23	Lakituthequick	17) Nintendo Labo VR (SMO) - 12 - 0.67%
2021-04-17 03:57:23	Lakituthequick	18) Pixel Pack (M+RKB) - 5 - 0.28%
2021-04-17 03:57:23	Lakituthequick	19) O. Donkey Kong Adventure (M+RKB) - 3 - 0.17%
2021-04-17 03:57:23	Lakituthequick	20) O. amiibo costumes (YCW) - 1 - 0.06%
2021-04-17 03:57:23	Lakituthequick	20) O. Course Packs (NSMB2) - 1 - 0.06%
2021-04-17 03:57:28	Lakituthequick	Consider: 1.8.0 Free Update (Animal Crossing: New Horizons)
2021-04-17 03:57:41	@Anton{Politoed}	this award is full, an addition would require a removal
2021-04-17 03:57:46	Hooded_Pitohui	I was wondering about that, LTQ
2021-04-17 03:57:47	Lakituthequick	https://nookipedia.com/wiki/Animal_Crossing:_New_Horizons/Update_history/1.8.0_Free_Update
2021-04-17 03:58:12	Smasher	id be ok with swapping out pixel pack for the animal crossing thing
2021-04-17 03:58:12	@Anton{Politoed}	I feel this is an easy swap with pixel pack
2021-04-17 03:58:12	Rose	Hey, so uh, if Luigi U is on here
2021-04-17 03:58:18	Rose	What does that mean for Bowser's Fury
2021-04-17 03:58:20	Smasher	five votes is...embarassing
2021-04-17 03:58:35	@_2257	bowser's fury was never released as dlc, was it
2021-04-17 03:58:42	@turb3	luigi u was specifically add-on content for the original mario bros u game, is how i understood it
2021-04-17 03:58:43	Hooded_Pitohui	Right, 22
2021-04-17 03:58:44	Rose	Oh was Luigi U dlc 
2021-04-17 03:58:47	Rose	I forgot about that
2021-04-17 03:58:49	@turb3	bowser's fury was not released as dlc for 3d world, so it's different
2021-04-17 03:58:50	Lakituthequick	Yes
2021-04-17 03:58:51	Smasher	it was originally dlc
2021-04-17 03:58:54	Rose	Okay nvm
2021-04-17 03:59:00	Lakituthequick	It was released standalone later too but it started as dlc
2021-04-17 03:59:03	Smasher	bowsers fury is a pack in title
2021-04-17 03:59:09	Hooded_Pitohui	Also I agree with the swapping of Pixel Pack for AC
2021-04-17 03:59:12	Smasher	so yeah, what they said
2021-04-17 03:59:14	Lakituthequick	yes
2021-04-17 03:59:22	Lakituthequick	delete pixel pack
2021-04-17 03:59:22	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Replace "Pixel Pack (M+RKB)" with "Consider: 1.8.0 Free Update (Animal Crossing: New Horizons)" (y/n/a)
2021-04-17 03:59:25	Smasher	y
2021-04-17 03:59:28	NinjaSquid	y
2021-04-17 03:59:30	Hooded_Pitohui	y
2021-04-17 03:59:34	Gabumon	a
2021-04-17 03:59:35	BBQ_Turtle	y
2021-04-17 03:59:36	Rose	y
2021-04-17 03:59:37	Lakituthequick	well remove the "consider" part but yes
2021-04-17 03:59:37	@_2257	a
2021-04-17 03:59:43	Smasher	6-0-2
2021-04-17 03:59:49	Hooded_Pitohui	(though minus "con- LTQ beat me to it)
2021-04-17 03:59:49	@Anton{Politoed}	specifying that the full game name is used as it's not a direct mario series game that shorthand can be ezpz implied for
2021-04-17 03:59:52	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah whoops
2021-04-17 04:00:01	@Anton{Politoed}	"1.8.0 Free Update (Animal Crossing: New Horizons"
2021-04-17 04:00:14	@Anton{Politoed}	)
2021-04-17 04:00:47	Hedonismbot	am i still here
2021-04-17 04:00:50	@turb3	yes
2021-04-17 04:00:52	Smasher	hi
2021-04-17 04:00:55	@Anton{Politoed}	ok there we go
2021-04-17 04:01:03	Lakituthequick	yeah for the sonic game the full title is also used
2021-04-17 04:01:05	@Anton{Politoed}	anyways making that change
2021-04-17 04:02:27	@Anton{Politoed}	anything else to change?
2021-04-17 04:02:42	Lakituthequick	I have nothing at this time
2021-04-17 04:02:48	Hooded_Pitohui	I can't think of any other additions or changes here
2021-04-17 04:03:00	Smasher	cant think of any other notable add ons
2021-04-17 04:03:15	@Anton{Politoed}	excellent, so if there's no further discussion, I will recap what will be done next
2021-04-17 04:03:36	Gabumon	let's remake polldaddy in command blocks
2021-04-17 04:03:46	@Anton{Politoed}	*Discussion on where the chat party will be located will be moved to the forum
2021-04-17 04:03:51	@Anton{Politoed}	*M5-7 hullabaloo
2021-04-17 04:04:07	@Anton{Politoed}	*New Award Incubator for Favorite Article-type idea
2021-04-17 04:04:25	@Anton{Politoed}	*Passively ponder a puppet nominee name, should you feel so inclined
2021-04-17 04:04:39	@Anton{Politoed}	*vote  https://poll.fm/10593967
2021-04-17 04:05:08	@Anton{Politoed}	next meeting we will resume with M10 and address any forum topics as needed
2021-04-17 04:05:24	@Anton{Politoed}	thank you everyone for coming and making this a productive first meeting!
2021-04-17 04:05:36	Rose	🙌🙌
2021-04-17 04:05:39	Smasher	we did it
2021-04-17 04:05:40	Lakituthequick	👏
2021-04-17 04:05:40	BBQ_Turtle	Just been adding a bunch more votes, I think that might have covered the other 369 we needed now?
2021-04-17 04:05:41	Hooded_Pitohui	Great work, everyone, and welcome to the AC, NS and Goombuigi!
2021-04-17 04:05:53	@Anton{Politoed}	I cannot guarantee I will be here for the next one, as my work schedule for then will not be out until tuesday
2021-04-17 04:05:55	@Anton{Politoed}	 240
2021-04-17 04:06:06	@Anton{Politoed}	also I think bbq is new too
2021-04-17 04:06:07	Smasher	i voted again
2021-04-17 04:06:17	Lakituthequick	BBQ attented previously
2021-04-17 04:06:21	Rose	BBQ has been in here once yeah
2021-04-17 04:06:25	Lakituthequick	Last year or the year before
2021-04-17 04:06:32	Hooded_Pitohui	BBQ was here last year
2021-04-17 04:06:36	@Anton{Politoed}	oh ok gr8
2021-04-17 04:06:39	BBQ_Turtle	Not entirely, I was here in 2019. I was expecting to be busy last year so I didn't sign up.
2021-04-17 04:06:42	@Anton{Politoed}	last year wasn't real
2021-04-17 04:06:50	Hooded_Pitohui	Oh, right, 2019
2021-04-17 04:06:51	Rose	True
2021-04-17 04:07:14	@Anton{Politoed}	also, I will assuredly not be here for the meeting on the 30th as I will be on a special vacation
2021-04-17 04:07:17	Lakituthequick	Currently checking CrowdSignal output while the poll still works
2021-04-17 04:07:28	@Anton{Politoed}	I may show up and hang out but the plan currently is for Turb to host that one
2021-04-17 04:07:36	Lakituthequick	But will get logs shortly first
2021-04-17 04:07:39	@turb3	i'll be here
2021-04-17 04:07:55	Hooded_Pitohui	LTQ, I look forward to seeing you in the morning
2021-04-17 04:08:08	Lakituthequick	:sledgewink:
2021-04-17 04:08:14	@Anton{Politoed}	everyone send ltq money to buy coffee
2021-04-17 04:08:40	Lakituthequick	yes