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2021-05-01 01:55:49	Rose	If Aquatic Ambience doesn't make it to DK poll I'm throwing hands 
2021-05-01 01:56:18	Rose	Damn now that I'm looking at this I feel like there's a song from 2 that's missing 
2021-05-01 01:56:20	Rose	But it's too late 
2021-05-01 01:56:27	@turb3	honestly i am going to throttle you guys if greenhorn ruins doesnt make it on the poll when half the ost of wlsi is a remix of that or greenhorn forest
2021-05-01 01:56:40	@turb3	like waht the FUck
2021-05-01 01:56:40	Pitohui	I voted for the three of them a while back. [s]Vote for Seashore War in DK though[/s]
2021-05-01 01:56:47	Pitohui	Turb, I feel the same way
2021-05-01 01:56:53	@turb3	i didnt vote for anything from tropical freeze since i didnt play that game very much
2021-05-01 01:56:55	Pitohui	Bring the Greenhorn duo, people
2021-05-01 01:57:10	Rose	Ambience tied for most votes :jeb: 
2021-05-01 01:57:34	Rose	Forest Interlude 
2021-05-01 01:57:37	Rose	That's what's missing 
2021-05-01 01:58:03	Rose	Is it too late to insist that we add Forest Interlude anyway since apparently it was the composer's favorite song in DKC2 
2021-05-01 01:58:21	@turb3	anyway also you dont need to uh
2021-05-01 01:58:32	@turb3	vote specifically for 15 tracks
2021-05-01 01:58:34	Smasher	donkey kong was the only one i felt good voting about
2021-05-01 01:58:37	@turb3	if you dont know 15 tracks you want to vote for
2021-05-01 01:58:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	i stand by what i said that greenhorn forest feels like the most Wario fo songs
2021-05-01 01:58:43	@turb3	im just skipping all the yoshi tracks i dont know what they sound like
2021-05-01 01:58:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's just
2021-05-01 01:58:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	wario, as a piece of musi
2021-05-01 01:58:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	c
2021-05-01 01:58:54	@turb3	i think that we could possibly visit forest interlude during like a review of mario
2021-05-01 01:59:04	@turb3	as of right now i'm not sure if we can really do much with it
2021-05-01 01:59:27	@turb3	not that we're officially Banned from doing that this meeting but for now i will probably focus on finalizing the nominees and then we can bring that up in forum threads or during the review
2021-05-01 01:59:33	Smasher	imlistening to forest interlude and if i had remembered this song existed i probably would have nominated it but its too late
2021-05-01 01:59:37	@turb3	better to make progress on mario and fail at the moment
2021-05-01 01:59:38	Smasher	probably
2021-05-01 01:59:39	Rose	Cool cool 
2021-05-01 01:59:41	Smasher	maybe idk
2021-05-01 01:59:42	@turb3	yeah i also forgot it existed even though i like the song
2021-05-01 01:59:43	@turb3	lol
2021-05-01 01:59:46	Rose	I'll mention Interlude again later 
2021-05-01 01:59:54	Lakituthequick	I am proud to announce that I voted in all three polls 
2021-05-01 01:59:58	@turb3	me too
2021-05-01 02:00:03	Smasher	:kleepain:
2021-05-01 02:00:11	@turb3	meeting time
2021-05-01 02:00:17	@turb3	hold on let me remember how to introduce things
2021-05-01 02:00:26	@turb3	feels like there's a chunk of people missing though
2021-05-01 02:00:27	Smasher	ill take one last look at the wario and yoshi polls and see if theres enough i recognize
2021-05-01 02:01:28	Rose	Yeah we're missing plenty of people 
2021-05-01 02:01:48	@turb3	god.........!
2021-05-01 02:01:49	Pitohui	Flotzo, NS, Goombuigi, 64-Bit, off the top of my head
2021-05-01 02:01:55	Pitohui	Oh, and BBQ
2021-05-01 02:01:58	@turb3	i know anton would be gone so i dont mind there
2021-05-01 02:02:01	@turb3	i just dont know where the others are
2021-05-01 02:02:04	@turb3	anyway meeting
2021-05-01 02:02:04	@_2257	i remembered forest interlude but i put it on my second nominee list
2021-05-01 02:02:10	@turb3	thanks for coming
2021-05-01 02:02:14	@_2257	whcih anton ignored because there were too many dk nominees
2021-05-01 02:02:15	@turb3	oh :pensive:
2021-05-01 02:02:18	@turb3	thtats true
2021-05-01 02:02:20	@turb3	there were many
2021-05-01 02:02:35	@turb3	uhh so today we are going to have like a 15 minute grace period to vote in the music  polls if you have not already
2021-05-01 02:02:48	@turb3	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43780/ Favorite DK Instrumental
2021-05-01 02:02:57	@turb3	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43781/ Favorite Wario Instrumental
2021-05-01 02:03:06	@turb3	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43782/ Favorite Yoshi Instrumental
2021-05-01 02:03:13	@turb3	so plz check those out if you haven't already
2021-05-01 02:03:47	Rose	Can I vote for "Not the New Island soundtrack" on Yoshi 
2021-05-01 02:03:50	Lakituthequick	https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/732697389563117599.png
2021-05-01 02:03:51	@turb3	because Wario has only had 6 voters it's likely that that one will get pushed back to next week to finalize
2021-05-01 02:03:55	@turb3	yeah
2021-05-01 02:04:01	@turb3	i dont think we even have any new island nominees
2021-05-01 02:04:05	Rose	good
2021-05-01 02:04:18	Pitohui	We have one
2021-05-01 02:04:23	Rose	bad
2021-05-01 02:04:24	Lakituthequick	We do right
2021-05-01 02:04:25	Pitohui	Bandit Valley
2021-05-01 02:04:26	@turb3	anyway, DK and Yoshi will likely come to the full list once I get around to finalizing them probably post-meeting for the sake of running the meeting
2021-05-01 02:04:29	@turb3	oh i forgot that song existed
2021-05-01 02:04:32	@turb3	vote for everything else
2021-05-01 02:04:47	@turb3	there is something else that I think should be addressed in the meantime
2021-05-01 02:04:57	Lakituthequick	Turb do you have that script I posted last year
2021-05-01 02:05:02	@turb3	script?
2021-05-01 02:05:07	Lakituthequick	That sorts poll results
2021-05-01 02:05:16	@turb3	no i dont think i have it instlaled on this computer
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2021-05-01 02:05:34	Lakituthequick	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/42137/post-2144717
2021-05-01 02:06:08	@turb3	thx i was getting very frustrated at how the polls don't sort things in a way that makes any sense
2021-05-01 02:06:23	@turb3	i'll have this open to get things finalized later
2021-05-01 02:06:25	@turb3	anyway
2021-05-01 02:07:01	@turb3	i think it's best if we come to a hard decision this meeting on whether we go for discord/irc for the chat party this year
2021-05-01 02:07:40	@_2257	oh, im glad you already made that
2021-05-01 02:07:45	@_2257	i didnt want to do it again 
2021-05-01 02:07:54	@turb3	personally i was in favor of irc but 22 brought up some good points, though I am still hesitant regarding the logistics issues of moderating the whole thing and ensuring no logs are lost to somebody deciding to be cheeky and just delete their entire account and wipe out the entire context of a conversation or something
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2021-05-01 02:08:11	@turb3	but that's something that I assume we can work around using logging bots and the like
2021-05-01 02:08:11	Alex95	yeet
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2021-05-01 02:08:33	@turb3	unfortunately rose has also had his connection explode and we're missing a chunk of people so _
2021-05-01 02:08:45	Lakituthequick	Deleting accounts just removes their username from their message and replace it with "Deleted user 34tcwdrg"
2021-05-01 02:08:48	Lakituthequick	Messages remain
2021-05-01 02:08:50	@turb3	don't know how much we can come to a full agreement right here right now but i'll give it some time
2021-05-01 02:08:51	Pitohui	I laid out some of the reasons I'm hesitant to move from IRC, but, then, I also personally like IRC less than Discord and I think 22 raised strong points, so I wouldn't oppose moving to Discord
2021-05-01 02:08:52	@turb3	oh good
2021-05-01 02:09:03	@turb3	do they have to do the "delete every message manually" thing
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2021-05-01 02:09:14	@turb3	still, i'd prefer if the party was hard backed up through a logging bot
2021-05-01 02:09:21	@turb3	as IRC is something that facilitates that
2021-05-01 02:09:21	Lakituthequick	Very possible
2021-05-01 02:09:25	@turb3	hi rose i'll get you logs in a second
2021-05-01 02:09:30	Pitohui	That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a Discord Chat party saw a lot of users just... talking through user servers instead of the Mario Wiki server
2021-05-01 02:09:31	Rose	mfw booted while in a different tab 
2021-05-01 02:09:32	Lakituthequick	Bots can do that as 22 already mentioned
2021-05-01 02:09:36	@turb3	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43754/
2021-05-01 02:09:40	@turb3	here's the thread about this
2021-05-01 02:09:59	@turb3	i dunno i guess that is a valid concern as well
2021-05-01 02:10:00	Rose	Oh we're talking venue got it 
2021-05-01 02:10:10	@turb3	the fact that there's going to be a lot of people who might just not want to talk in steve LOL
2021-05-01 02:10:23	Lakituthequick	Well
2021-05-01 02:10:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah i think regardless of what 22 said, n/o, there really is just a different impression
2021-05-01 02:10:31	Lakituthequick	It's easy to just join Steve for one evening
2021-05-01 02:10:45	@turb3	i don't know how big of an amount of people there is that would rather just avoid steve entirely but would be willing to join irc
2021-05-01 02:10:47	@turb3	also i disagree because
2021-05-01 02:10:50	Lakituthequick	Especially if there's logs after
2021-05-01 02:10:53	@turb3	the fact is
2021-05-01 02:10:58	@turb3	steve is still an official venue of ours
2021-05-01 02:11:11	@turb3	and even if these people aren't like directly involved in the community this is a good opportunity to get them involved in it
2021-05-01 02:11:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	not in that way 
2021-05-01 02:11:28	@turb3	my hangup is still entirely on "do i want to kill myself moderating discord"
2021-05-01 02:11:35	@turb3	if that can be worked around i'm open
2021-05-01 02:11:42	@turb3	anyway let me grab context for rose
2021-05-01 02:12:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	i just meant in the "it really is different talking with an audience of lurkers than without" 
2021-05-01 02:12:02	Lakituthequick	Moderating Discord is not that much different I feel
2021-05-01 02:12:07	@turb3	https://pastebin.com/qjHxuKV1
2021-05-01 02:12:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	at least in my experience
2021-05-01 02:12:19	@turb3	well we share an area with steve and everything
2021-05-01 02:12:27	@turb3	this is a self contained channel
2021-05-01 02:12:42	@turb3	granted, if they are spamming in the awards channel they probably need to be euthanized regardless
2021-05-01 02:12:57	@_2257	whats the issue with moderating discord
2021-05-01 02:12:57	Smasher	back sorry
2021-05-01 02:13:15	@turb3	can't ip ban
2021-05-01 02:13:20	Smasher	i voted in yoshi but i am not familiar enough to vote in wario at this time unfortunately
2021-05-01 02:13:23	Lakituthequick	Discord does IP banning
2021-05-01 02:13:24	@turb3	makes it a lot more annoying to toss people out
2021-05-01 02:13:28	@turb3	does it
2021-05-01 02:13:30	Lakituthequick	Yeah
2021-05-01 02:13:30	@turb3	damn
2021-05-01 02:13:38	@_2257	well, you can ban their account, in which case they have to make a new account
2021-05-01 02:13:38	Pitohui	There's not enough Wario appreciation here
2021-05-01 02:13:41	@turb3	i'm very not technologically savvy with discord
2021-05-01 02:13:44	@_2257	right??
2021-05-01 02:13:49	@turb3	i think so
2021-05-01 02:13:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	yea
2021-05-01 02:13:53	@_2257	that should slow them down
2021-05-01 02:13:57	@turb3	idk how exactly the security settings in steve are but anyway like
2021-05-01 02:14:09	@turb3	if moderation isn't a problem and logging isn't a problem then that's that
2021-05-01 02:14:09	Lakituthequick	Yeah but if that new account shares an IP with the banned account they'll still be barred
2021-05-01 02:14:12	@_2257	probably at least as much as refreshing an ip address, which is not hard to do
2021-05-01 02:14:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	also can i make a comment re: the "get people involved in the community" thing that iis not meant as an argument against discord
2021-05-01 02:14:28	@turb3	yes
2021-05-01 02:14:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	ok
2021-05-01 02:15:18	Smasher	going to state rq that i can be convinced either way but as of now im in favor of discord per 22s post
2021-05-01 02:15:28	@turb3	honestly it's difficult for me to be the one having this discussion since i feel like i'm less well equipped to lay out points for/against things than anton is, since he's more involved in moderating the discord than i am
2021-05-01 02:15:37	@turb3	i have it muted LOL
2021-05-01 02:15:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	this is just a personal observation and it's not meant to be a "we should stay on irc" point, but i really don't think the people who are only on discord have any interest in the community outside of it. people like tnt have already been made aware of the forum and shroom and such and have proceeded to not interact. i think they just might not care. however the other pro-discord arguments...
2021-05-01 02:15:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	...remain with some strong weight so this isn't some "gotcha bitch" moment because the pro-discord arguments are pretty solid
2021-05-01 02:16:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	i just... don't see, in my experience, any hypothetical people who are this close to being involved int he wider community but miss out because awards is held elsewhere
2021-05-01 02:16:14	@turb3	yeah i know not everyone is going to care
2021-05-01 02:16:28	@turb3	and i'm sure that people are aware of the fact that stevecord is attached to a website
2021-05-01 02:16:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's not even an argument really it's just a personal viewpoint
2021-05-01 02:17:00	@turb3	i would like, in theory, for there to be an influx of people who come in and at least dip their toes in and maybe take some presentation slots to offset the amount of backup presenters having to die for the cause
2021-05-01 02:17:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	wait so
2021-05-01 02:17:10	@turb3	i almost feel like kg was better at doing that than discord has been...........
2021-05-01 02:17:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	kg was great at that 
2021-05-01 02:17:21	Pitohui	You aren't wrong, Turb
2021-05-01 02:17:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	i support the idea of making kg contingent on presenting again
2021-05-01 02:17:23	Smasher	:hutaowobble:
2021-05-01 02:17:35	Pitohui	I speak as one of the people who finally got more involved because of KG
2021-05-01 02:17:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think it's because kg is less detached from awards than the chat party, really
2021-05-01 02:17:48	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's right there, in the board, where you can press people's faces into it and go "help"
2021-05-01 02:17:49	Rose	The honest question I have to ask is, are awards going to be enough of a draw for people to go "look I should join the community more often" if we're discussing it in Discord 
2021-05-01 02:17:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	probably not
2021-05-01 02:17:56	@turb3	we might get more general awards activity from like zelen/etc. is my thought
2021-05-01 02:18:02	@turb3	people who are around the community but don't like irc
2021-05-01 02:18:02	Rose	Or are they just going to mute the channel because it's another event they're not interested in 
2021-05-01 02:18:12	@turb3	rather than SPECIFICALLY tnt or mariomaniac or something
2021-05-01 02:18:26	Pitohui	The Chat Party doesn't feel like it's so much detached from Awards so much as something that just doesn't have its own draw
2021-05-01 02:18:32	@turb3	people who are valid members of the community but don't have much interest in stuff outside the scope of awards
2021-05-01 02:18:37	@turb3	er
2021-05-01 02:18:41	@turb3	outside the scope of discord
2021-05-01 02:18:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	see that perspective makes more sense, turb
2021-05-01 02:18:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	i can vibe with it
2021-05-01 02:18:58	Rose	Like if we were posting Awards presentations in the Discord, I think that would feel different than us just talking about awards in there 
2021-05-01 02:19:08	Rose	Not that I think we should be putting the presentations in Discord 
2021-05-01 02:19:15	@turb3	like blof, zelen, etc are all people who are interested in awards but i could see being interested in the community discussion aspect more if the chat party is moved
2021-05-01 02:19:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	"get people who are otherwise uninvolved" is harder than "get people who are Kinda Involved to Really Involved"
2021-05-01 02:19:30	@turb3	THAT SAID i kind of use the chat party as a way for me to keep on fucking schedule by updating the topic hhhhhhhhh
2021-05-01 02:19:43	@turb3	so like i prefer irc for that alone so it's just something where
2021-05-01 02:19:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	use this channel to update the topic
2021-05-01 02:19:45	Honoka_Chaosaka	problem solved
2021-05-01 02:20:03	@turb3	i don't really have a strong foothold either way and could be convinced on either aspect
2021-05-01 02:20:08	@turb3	yeah but then i'm the only person seeing it
2021-05-01 02:20:08	Rose	Like, either way, every user who wants to engage with awards has to have two different tabs over, one for the boards and one for the chat client 
2021-05-01 02:20:09	Pitohui	We've pretty successfully gotten people like BloF and Zelen to (re)join The 'Shroom again this year, so I do think there's a case to be made for getting those types of folks more involved in Awards
2021-05-01 02:20:14	@turb3	idk if anyone else cares about the topic updates as much as i do
2021-05-01 02:20:17	@turb3	also yeah true rose
2021-05-01 02:20:24	Rose	So I don't think there's too much to argue in terms of extra convenience with discord 
2021-05-01 02:20:40	Rose	We just need to tell people "it's so not hard to join awards channel on irc just follow this handy link Turb posted" 
2021-05-01 02:20:41	Lakituthequick	If we're getting a log bot anyway could as well make it announce the up next thing
2021-05-01 02:20:48	@turb3	that is also a valid point
2021-05-01 02:20:50	@turb3	the bot thing
2021-05-01 02:20:56	@turb3	but also the thing with discord is
2021-05-01 02:21:10	@turb3	i guess the idea is that people will be more willing to poke in if it's a channel on a server that they've already joined
2021-05-01 02:21:19	@turb3	since even "click this link" is more Effort than usual
2021-05-01 02:21:32	@turb3	the "how much effort do i have to put in" effect is definitely a real thing
2021-05-01 02:21:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	i do think that if we want to do that we're gonna have to set the groundwork before awards day
2021-05-01 02:21:42	@turb3	not meant as like, disparaging, that's just literally a thing
2021-05-01 02:21:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	make sure people know this is a thing and not just "weird random new channel with zero context"
2021-05-01 02:21:53	@turb3	yeah the plan was to have it be set up well before awards day
2021-05-01 02:21:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh ok
2021-05-01 02:22:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's been sounding like the plan was to just make it on awards day and shout EVERYONE GET IN HERE
2021-05-01 02:22:10	Rose	Applesbot joins Steve discord as our bot and after awards ends it systematically deletes the entire server 
2021-05-01 02:22:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	context is important
2021-05-01 02:22:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	rose: yes please
2021-05-01 02:22:19	@turb3	no i would want to have a public channel open for that for a while
2021-05-01 02:22:23	Pitohui	Nah, nah Rose
2021-05-01 02:22:30	@turb3	for general awards discussion and announcing the party in advance
2021-05-01 02:22:33	Pitohui	You delete the entire server but the Awards channel before the party
2021-05-01 02:22:41	Lakituthequick	:worry:
2021-05-01 02:22:45	@turb3	i guess we could just come to like a compromise of test running an awards channel in steve
2021-05-01 02:22:46	Rose	:jeb: 
2021-05-01 02:22:50	Pitohui	So people come in to see what's up and then stick around in the only channel left, [i]Clearly[/i]
2021-05-01 02:22:51	@turb3	and seeing what comes of it
2021-05-01 02:22:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	actually that would be pretty sensible
2021-05-01 02:23:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	make the channel early, see if it produces anything, and then adjust accordingly
2021-05-01 02:23:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd be down for that
2021-05-01 02:23:14	@turb3	granted that's not going to be a complete demographic especially since the chat party won't be happening as of yet
2021-05-01 02:23:20	Smasher	i like this idea
2021-05-01 02:23:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think it'll still be a good thing especially if we like
2021-05-01 02:23:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	try to encourage discussion
2021-05-01 02:23:33	Lakituthequick	Said channel can also just be under #the-shroom initially and move to the top on awards day like the forum board
2021-05-01 02:23:33	Pitohui	Test running a public channel is not a bad idea
2021-05-01 02:23:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	bring up topics as we go
2021-05-01 02:23:36	@turb3	but i do think testing the waters for General awards discussion might be a cool thing
2021-05-01 02:23:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	like, if we start the engine and then other people continue of their own accord it's clearly worth it
2021-05-01 02:23:56	Pitohui	Turb let's you and I work on cross-promoting, get more discussion in the Awards channel and the Shroom channel
2021-05-01 02:23:56	Rose	I just assumed that whenever we decided on using discord or not we'd make the channel then 
2021-05-01 02:24:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	but if it ends up beign All AC All The Time 
2021-05-01 02:24:02	@turb3	that sounds like a good idea
2021-05-01 02:24:04	@turb3	@ pito
2021-05-01 02:24:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	that'd be a sign it ain't working
2021-05-01 02:24:13	@turb3	well the meetings should stay on irc for this year anyway
2021-05-01 02:24:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah not the meetings
2021-05-01 02:24:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	more just like
2021-05-01 02:24:25	Pitohui	I try to seize upon discussion in the Shroom channel when it comes up but not enough people talk in there
2021-05-01 02:24:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	throwing general thoughts, topics, etc
2021-05-01 02:24:34	Pitohui	We have a lot more 'Shroom discussion in Rose's server
2021-05-01 02:24:51	Pitohui	Were I will also be telling everyone to make presentations
2021-05-01 02:24:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's because i tell all the horror stories there
2021-05-01 02:24:54	Pitohui	*Where
2021-05-01 02:24:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	the pi ghosting tale...
2021-05-01 02:25:01	@turb3	honestly it's really frustrating that i can't remember another point i was going to make
2021-05-01 02:25:20	@turb3	but for now I am in favor with talking with steve in getting the awards channel actually set up but not really coming to a hard decision on discord/irc
2021-05-01 02:25:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	i support this
2021-05-01 02:25:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	and the concept of encouraging discussion and using the awards channel as a test drive
2021-05-01 02:25:40	Pitohui	Hey, Turb, out of curiosity, does it actually matter there's only seven of us here tonight? 
2021-05-01 02:25:43	Rose	Yeah even if we don't host the party there 
2021-05-01 02:25:45	@turb3	it's really hard for me to judge whether there actually is an amount of people who would rather participate on discord ONLY and if there's a sizeable amount
2021-05-01 02:25:49	Rose	I think an awards channel makes a lot of sense 
2021-05-01 02:25:49	@turb3	uhhhhhhh god fuck
2021-05-01 02:25:51	Pitohui	I am also support of the proposal
2021-05-01 02:25:52	Rose	And should be done 
2021-05-01 02:26:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	i can't believe this meeting is invalid
2021-05-01 02:26:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	no quorum
2021-05-01 02:26:08	@turb3	well i'd much rather there be more people but idk what we can do about it unless we hunt down everyone else
2021-05-01 02:26:08	Rose	Because people can talk about tournaments and everything in there too 
2021-05-01 02:26:16	@turb3	i'll go and ping ns and goombuigi
2021-05-01 02:26:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh shit tournaments are a GREAT use for it
2021-05-01 02:26:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	that'd be a perfect way to see how well itworks
2021-05-01 02:26:27	Lakituthequick	Yeah
2021-05-01 02:26:31	@turb3	they're both offline so like yeah
2021-05-01 02:26:32	Pitohui	Tournaments arranged in the channel is smart
2021-05-01 02:26:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	use it to shill tournaments and see who bites
2021-05-01 02:26:42	Rose	I'm kinda surprised nobody else immediately thought of this lol 
2021-05-01 02:26:47	Lakituthequick	The channel can easily be used for more than just the chat party
2021-05-01 02:26:51	Rose	This was all the very first stuff I was thinking of with the channel 
2021-05-01 02:26:53	Pitohui	Mario Party, Smash, the other ideas people are kicking around
2021-05-01 02:26:59	@turb3	i dunno that was like what i had in mind for the channel
2021-05-01 02:27:01	Pitohui	Rose you have to SPEAK UP
2021-05-01 02:27:17	@turb3	if only because we have to make sure that the channel actually functions instead of peeing the floor when it comes time for awards day and none of the channel permissions are working
2021-05-01 02:27:43	Lakituthequick	Pro-tip: Discord can preview role permissions
2021-05-01 02:27:44	@turb3	ultimately i just think there are a lot of people who are discord-only who might not want to make the trek to irc, but at the same time, I actually do think we got much bigger interaction and attendance, still on irc, than usual
2021-05-01 02:27:47	@turb3	last year
2021-05-01 02:27:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah
2021-05-01 02:27:55	Rose	But yeah please make #awards channel regardless of what happens with party 
2021-05-01 02:27:58	@turb3	like i expected the numbers to dwindle but no they were about on par
2021-05-01 02:28:00	@turb3	yes i agree with that
2021-05-01 02:28:05	@turb3	so i guess i'll mark that down as uhh
2021-05-01 02:28:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	at the end of the day this is really the kind of thing we can only determine emperically 
2021-05-01 02:28:22	@turb3	Make #awards, Bring up in #wombat ASAP so we can get the ball rolling on that
2021-05-01 02:28:25	@turb3	mario time i think
2021-05-01 02:28:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	also yeah this is like
2021-05-01 02:28:28	Pitohui	Unironically, I think hard promotion in Rose's server helped bring people into IRC last year,
2021-05-01 02:28:32	Pitohui	So the moral of the story is
2021-05-01 02:28:39	Pitohui	Everyone, promote Awards wherever you are
2021-05-01 02:28:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	literally the first time i've been hearing the whole discussion regarding "making the awards channel early"
2021-05-01 02:28:46	Honoka_Chaosaka	ok pitohui
2021-05-01 02:28:48	@turb3	actually not even "make" we might just be able to reuse the existing channel like 22 said
2021-05-01 02:28:51	Lakituthequick	Time to shout at people in bus stops
2021-05-01 02:28:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	i will do it on my other website
2021-05-01 02:29:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	they won't know anything but that won't stop me
2021-05-01 02:29:09	Pitohui	[s]you mean you aren't already doing that, LTQ?[/s]
2021-05-01 02:29:11	Rose	But if we reuse the existing channel people can scroll up and be reminded that freakworld exists 
2021-05-01 02:29:15	Lakituthequick	:perhaps:
2021-05-01 02:29:17	@turb3	:worry:
2021-05-01 02:29:27	Rose	Wait 
2021-05-01 02:29:42	Pitohui	Does it not make sense to keep an underground Awards chan- oh no, actually, meetings are public I guess
2021-05-01 02:29:46	Pitohui	So nevermind that
2021-05-01 02:29:47	Rose	Okay I think he's Deleted User never mind we're in the clear 
2021-05-01 02:29:51	@turb3	lesse where we're picking back up
2021-05-01 02:30:00	@turb3	Favorite Capture (Pokio, Tropical Wiggler, Bowser, Gushen, T-Rex, Chargin' Chuck, Glydon, Sherm, Uproot, Goomba, Frog, Yoshi, Lakitu, Parabones/Paragoomba, Hammer Bro/Fire Bro, Lava Bubble)
2021-05-01 02:30:03	@turb3	this thing
2021-05-01 02:30:04	Lakituthequick	I'm leaning against using the hidden channel because while it's not really used, it's still there for if we do need it
2021-05-01 02:30:10	Lakituthequick	Oboy hold on
2021-05-01 02:30:13	Pitohui	We were thinking about axing this this year, right?
2021-05-01 02:30:16	@turb3	so this is on the chopping block yes
2021-05-01 02:30:22	@turb3	I've had people mention awards ideas to me
2021-05-01 02:30:26	Lakituthequick	14) Lakitu - 29 - 1.61%
2021-05-01 02:30:26	Lakituthequick	15) Chargin' Chuck - 28 - 1.56%
2021-05-01 02:30:26	Lakituthequick	16) Parabones/Paragoomba - 21 - 1.17%
2021-05-01 02:30:26	Lakituthequick	17) O. Banzai Bill - 3 - 0.17%
2021-05-01 02:30:26	Lakituthequick	17) O. RC Car - 3 - 0.17%
2021-05-01 02:30:31	Pitohui	I've been trying to think of new Mario Awards this week but I'm not coming up with any
2021-05-01 02:30:43	Pitohui	GBA did suggest favorite Mario Party board today, I caught, though
2021-05-01 02:31:00	@turb3	anton had the conceptualization of a Favorite Mario 3rd party property(?) with regards to like, the Lego sets, the monopoly board, merch like that
2021-05-01 02:31:13	@turb3	i don't think we should spend tooooooo much time brainstorming since the award incubator thread exists
2021-05-01 02:31:17	@turb3	but i'll allow it
2021-05-01 02:31:18	Rose	If we can somehow sparse down however many minigames we could also have Favorite Mario Party Minigames 
2021-05-01 02:31:19	Pitohui	Oh, now that's an interesting one
2021-05-01 02:31:27	@turb3	i also caught favorite mario party board as well
2021-05-01 02:31:34	Pitohui	The 3rd party, not the Minigames, I mean
2021-05-01 02:31:42	@turb3	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/
2021-05-01 02:31:47	Rose	Pitohui doesn't find my idea interesting : ( 
2021-05-01 02:31:49	@turb3	if people want to plop any ideas in for the m23 replacement
2021-05-01 02:32:26	@turb3	the wiki does document stuff like the lego sets and monopoly board and it would have to be official merch
2021-05-01 02:32:40	@turb3	don't know how big the pull on stuff like that is but it might be bigger than mario party for all i know
2021-05-01 02:32:42	@turb3	merch is more accessible
2021-05-01 02:32:51	@turb3	still, just kind of ideas floating around for now
2021-05-01 02:33:24	Smasher	im here
2021-05-01 02:33:30	Rose	no you aren't 
2021-05-01 02:33:37	Smasher	sorry i got busy with something
2021-05-01 02:33:40	Pitohui	I keep trying to think of new things for Awards this year but my mind's on loop on "the Cat Mario Show". I've never even seen the Cat Mario Show. Someone aid me.
2021-05-01 02:33:41	Lakituthequick	I've never really looked at merch covereage on the wiki
2021-05-01 02:33:53	Smasher	i keep forgetting we have a hidden channel because i dont have access to it for some reason
2021-05-01 02:33:56	Honoka_Chaosaka	i do think that the idea of favorite merch is a good one
2021-05-01 02:33:56	Rose	Favorite Cat from Bowser's Fury 
2021-05-01 02:34:00	Lakituthequick	I feel like it's a bit flakey usueally but Lego is probably well knows because it's advertised well
2021-05-01 02:34:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd have to do some digging
2021-05-01 02:34:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	see what's an option
2021-05-01 02:34:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	but that could be fun
2021-05-01 02:34:12	@turb3	the lego stuff i think is probably the best known/biggest draw
2021-05-01 02:34:26	Rose	Merch becomes tricky because we have to account for every different Mario plushie or toy 
2021-05-01 02:34:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	lump them into groups?
2021-05-01 02:34:38	@turb3	as before, if anything immediately comes to mind that escapes this topic then be sure to put it in the incubator thread
2021-05-01 02:34:40	Pitohui	Yeah, it'd have to be more defined than "merch"
2021-05-01 02:34:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	plushes, etc
2021-05-01 02:34:41	@turb3	i was thinking groups yes
2021-05-01 02:34:43	Lakituthequick	Also yes what would qualify
2021-05-01 02:34:47	@turb3	plushes, lego, monopoly, so on
2021-05-01 02:34:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	minigames i think would be a fool's errand because there's hundreds upon hundreds
2021-05-01 02:34:52	@turb3	it's a very rough idea that we'd need to flesh out more
2021-05-01 02:34:53	Lakituthequick	Singular items or groups of them
2021-05-01 02:34:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	and honstly
2021-05-01 02:34:58	Pitohui	Would, like, Super Nintendo World gift shop items qualify
2021-05-01 02:35:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	i barely remember any specific minigames
2021-05-01 02:35:02	@turb3	i think we had a worst mario party minigame lol
2021-05-01 02:35:05	@turb3	possibly pitohui
2021-05-01 02:35:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	we were fools
2021-05-01 02:35:14	@turb3	favorite socks
2021-05-01 02:35:24	Pitohui	Oh, there are Mario socks, true
2021-05-01 02:35:36	Pitohui	My mother has a pair because Gamestop gave them to us when they closed
2021-05-01 02:35:37	Rose	Favorite Stock Character Art 
2021-05-01 02:35:38	Smasher	i think the merch idea has potential
2021-05-01 02:35:39	Lakituthequick	I mean, what doesn't exist
2021-05-01 02:35:43	Smasher	i have some socks too
2021-05-01 02:35:47	Rose	Do you like Mario standing forward or Mario standing forward more 
2021-05-01 02:35:49	@turb3	anonymous benefactor also submitted an idea for the Biggest Dick award but we'll shelve that for the pre-e3 meeting
2021-05-01 02:36:01	Rose	Hey here's a thought 
2021-05-01 02:36:02	Lakituthequick	the what
2021-05-01 02:36:31	Rose	Is there some way to make uhhhhhh Favorite Game Gimmick, like you've got the Caps from 64, FLUDD from Sunshine, antigravity from Galaxy, capturing from Odyssey 
2021-05-01 02:36:37	Rose	I don't know if this would actually work 
2021-05-01 02:36:38	Rose	But 
2021-05-01 02:36:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	we've got Worst Game Mechanic soooo
2021-05-01 02:36:51	@turb3	that's kind of a similar concept as game mechanic i think
2021-05-01 02:36:54	@turb3	which is a fail award yes
2021-05-01 02:36:59	Lakituthequick	so F10 but for fabourite
2021-05-01 02:36:59	@turb3	so it could possibly be converted to mario
2021-05-01 02:37:02	@turb3	yes
2021-05-01 02:37:05	Pitohui	Favorite Game Mechanic might work...
2021-05-01 02:37:20	Rose	It can also include stuff like the timed inputs in the Mario RPGs and stuff 
2021-05-01 02:37:29	Rose	If it's mechanic 
2021-05-01 02:37:35	@turb3	valid
2021-05-01 02:37:39	Pitohui	Dodging/Countering in M&L
2021-05-01 02:37:40	Smasher	fave game mechanic isn't bad even though it'd be nice to have something new
2021-05-01 02:37:47	Pitohui	Badges in Paper Mario
2021-05-01 02:37:51	@turb3	going to compile a quick reference list of things
2021-05-01 02:37:58	Pitohui	I suppose there's always room to flesh it out more in the incubator
2021-05-01 02:38:06	Smasher	i feel like more people would care about this so, shrugging
2021-05-01 02:38:09	Pitohui	But it feels viable
2021-05-01 02:38:36	@turb3	Favorite Mario Merch/3rd party property (Anton), Favorite Mario Party Board (GBA), Favorite Mario Party Minigame (Rose), Favorite Game Mechanic (Rose)
2021-05-01 02:38:45	@turb3	i am most interested in the merch and mechanic ones I think
2021-05-01 02:39:00	Rose	You can nix minigame I don't anyone actually wants to go through hundreds of minigames for one award 
2021-05-01 02:39:05	@turb3	ok good
2021-05-01 02:39:23	@turb3	mario party awards always worry me a bit in general because it feels like a lot of them just weren't played by people
2021-05-01 02:39:25	@turb3	there's so many
2021-05-01 02:39:29	@turb3	i only played like, 4
2021-05-01 02:39:44	Lakituthequick	I think I might only have played two ever
2021-05-01 02:39:45	@turb3	not INTRINSICALLY a bad idea but hard to get a polling amount on
2021-05-01 02:39:48	Lakituthequick	DS and Super
2021-05-01 02:39:56	@turb3	but it's still valid in case we want to visit favorite mp board
2021-05-01 02:40:14	Smasher	owning all but the 3ds ones, i can safely say id prefer mechanic or merch
2021-05-01 02:40:28	@turb3	for now I will probably request that people, again, go here to dump their stuff in: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/ Award Incubator
2021-05-01 02:40:33	@turb3	so we can move on to m24
2021-05-01 02:40:37	Lakituthequick	reminder that SMP adding online means a tournament for that is now possible
2021-05-01 02:40:41	@turb3	true
2021-05-01 02:40:48	Pitohui	Alex and winstein had a good run with it, too
2021-05-01 02:40:53	@turb3	best thing nintendo did and all the nominees are add online to mario party
2021-05-01 02:40:54	Lakituthequick	yup
2021-05-01 02:41:04	Rose	I'll quickly toss in mechanic 
2021-05-01 02:41:07	@turb3	Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss (Hellen Gravely, Madame Clairvoya, Boolossus, Bogmire, King Boo, Melody Pianissima, Amadeus Wolfgeist, Vincent Van Gore, Henry and Orville, Neville, "Nikki, Lindsey, & Ginny", Slim Bankshot, The Three Sisters, Ug)
2021-05-01 02:41:18	Lakituthequick	12) Henry and Orville - 24 - 1.56%
2021-05-01 02:41:18	Lakituthequick	13) Slim Bankshot - 17 - 1.11%
2021-05-01 02:41:18	Lakituthequick	14) Neville - 16 - 1.04%
2021-05-01 02:41:18	Lakituthequick	15) O. Captain Fishook - 13 - 0.85%
2021-05-01 02:41:18	Lakituthequick	15) O. Morty - 13 - 0.85%
2021-05-01 02:41:18	Lakituthequick	17) O. Chauncey - 7 - 0.46%
2021-05-01 02:41:45	@turb3	i'm considering swapping out slim bankshot and neville with captain fishook and morty
2021-05-01 02:41:48	Smasher	swapping or adding fishook or morty might be wise
2021-05-01 02:41:50	Smasher	yeah
2021-05-01 02:41:53	Pitohui	I'd be in support
2021-05-01 02:42:03	Lakituthequick	agree
2021-05-01 02:42:10	Smasher	i otherwise have no opinions on this award whatsoever as im not big on lm but
2021-05-01 02:42:12	Lakituthequick	makes the mst sense
2021-05-01 02:42:13	Pitohui	I'm surprised Morty didn't make it last year, come to think of it
2021-05-01 02:42:23	Smasher	those are wayyyyyy too close for writeins
2021-05-01 02:42:25	@turb3	will do it together just in case
2021-05-01 02:42:45	Pitohui	This is going to be an Award King Boo dominates as long as he's on but I'll be interested to see if Hellen falls as recency bias fades
2021-05-01 02:42:58	@turb3	Swap out "Slim Bankshot" and "Neville" with "Captain Fishook" and "Morty"? Y-N-A
2021-05-01 02:43:01	Pitohui	y
2021-05-01 02:43:01	@turb3	y
2021-05-01 02:43:02	Smasher	y
2021-05-01 02:43:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-05-01 02:43:12	Lakituthequick	Morty is an odd case really now I think of it
2021-05-01 02:43:14	Smasher	yeah this is definitely King Boo: The Award
2021-05-01 02:43:16	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 02:43:21	Smasher	5-0-0
2021-05-01 02:43:26	Lakituthequick	As he's not actually hostile in any way
2021-05-01 02:43:29	@turb3	actually come to think of it do we even need to do that
2021-05-01 02:43:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	the Morty Porty
2021-05-01 02:43:32	@turb3	vs just like adding them
2021-05-01 02:43:37	@turb3	hm
2021-05-01 02:43:46	@turb3	i forgot how low this amount of nominees was
2021-05-01 02:43:48	Pitohui	It'd take us to 17, I think?
2021-05-01 02:44:01	Pitohui	No, 16
2021-05-01 02:44:01	@turb3	i'm counting 16
2021-05-01 02:44:04	@turb3	i'm just going to add them LOL;
2021-05-01 02:44:09	Pitohui	So it feels reasonable, yeah
2021-05-01 02:44:22	Lakituthequick	Yeah we were at 14 previosuly
2021-05-01 02:44:26	Smasher	i think we're ok giving the other two another chance, then
2021-05-01 02:44:27	Lakituthequick	Just adding works
2021-05-01 02:44:37	@turb3	anything else for this award
2021-05-01 02:44:47	Smasher	nothing from me
2021-05-01 02:44:48	Pitohui	Nothing for this year from me
2021-05-01 02:45:06	Lakituthequick	i've never played LM
2021-05-01 02:45:14	Pitohui	You ought to
2021-05-01 02:45:17	Lakituthequick	Probably
2021-05-01 02:45:18	@turb3	going to move on for now
2021-05-01 02:45:25	@turb3	if anyone notices something else wrong with lm scream at me
2021-05-01 02:45:26	@turb3	Favorite 2D Mario Level (World 1-1 (SMB), Donut Plains 1 (SMW), Forest of Illusion 3 (SMW), World 1-2 (SMB), World 2-Pyramid (SMB3), Donut Secret House (SMW), Painted Swampland (NSMBU), Front Door (SMW), World 8-7 (NSMBW), World 4-1 (SMB3), Yoshi's Island 2 (SMW), World 5-3 (SMB3), World 2-3 (NSMB), World 1-1 (NSMB), World 8-4 (SMB))
2021-05-01 02:45:30	Lakituthequick	9) World 1-2 (SMB) - 55 - 3.58%
2021-05-01 02:45:30	Lakituthequick	10) World 2-Pyramid (SMB3) - 45 - 2.93%
2021-05-01 02:45:30	Lakituthequick	11) World 8-4 (SMB) - 38 - 2.47%
2021-05-01 02:45:30	Lakituthequick	12) O. Chocolate Island 2 (SMW) - 7 - 0.46%
2021-05-01 02:45:30	Lakituthequick	13) O. World 8-Bowser's Castle (NSMB) - 6 - 0.39%
2021-05-01 02:45:30	Lakituthequick	13) O. World 8-Bowser's Castle (NSMBW) - 6 - 0.39%
2021-05-01 02:45:47	Lakituthequick	Hell to tally: The Poll
2021-05-01 02:46:23	@turb3	were there a lot of ties
2021-05-01 02:46:23	Rose	brb getting food 
2021-05-01 02:46:24	Smasher	nothing stands out to me tbh
2021-05-01 02:46:31	Smasher	i assume there were ties
2021-05-01 02:46:32	@turb3	i was considering just adding the bottom 3 since uh
2021-05-01 02:46:40	@turb3	that's actually fairly high, write in wise
2021-05-01 02:46:43	Smasher	because i think we're at 15?
2021-05-01 02:46:46	@turb3	but i thought we were at 15
2021-05-01 02:46:49	@turb3	not 11
2021-05-01 02:46:56	Smasher	let me count
2021-05-01 02:47:03	Pitohui	I believe 15, as well
2021-05-01 02:47:09	Smasher	i count 15
2021-05-01 02:47:23	Smasher	we could add the bottom three if we want the hard limit
2021-05-01 02:47:29	Lakituthequick	then why is the first writein 12th
2021-05-01 02:47:35	@turb3	i don't know
2021-05-01 02:47:41	Smasher	:fuck:
2021-05-01 02:47:41	Pitohui	Excellent question
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2021-05-01 02:47:49	@turb3	why is it 12
2021-05-01 02:47:53	Lakituthequick	what the hell
2021-05-01 02:47:55	@turb3	i legit can't figure out why because i'm counting 15
2021-05-01 02:48:13	Pitohui	That's funky
2021-05-01 02:48:18	Pitohui	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C9osOJ-LYSoRhq5Wnu1kjRKSE2iG7RuQ-k9Pr7_A3xc/edit#heading=h.zcwhaifwa2bq
2021-05-01 02:48:28	Pitohui	Because this really does seem to indicate 11
2021-05-01 02:48:32	@turb3	what the hsit
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2021-05-01 02:48:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	iss it possible some of them never made it all the way? 
2021-05-01 02:48:47	Honoka_Chaosaka	to the results
2021-05-01 02:48:47	Smasher	what the FUCK
2021-05-01 02:48:50	Rose	I'm back from phone 
2021-05-01 02:48:51	Rose	What happened
2021-05-01 02:48:54	Lakituthequick	They'd still be listed
2021-05-01 02:49:00	Pitohui	There are a couple just missing outright from the results, it looks like
2021-05-01 02:49:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	no i mean
2021-05-01 02:49:04	@turb3	no it's just O all the way down
2021-05-01 02:49:09	Rose	:tueaday: 
2021-05-01 02:49:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	full on forgot to tally them in the results
2021-05-01 02:49:16	@turb3	mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i dont know
2021-05-01 02:49:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	i know i fucked up favorite kong like that once
2021-05-01 02:49:20	Lakituthequick	I'm writing this down to figure this out later
2021-05-01 02:49:21	@turb3	the way the poll sorter bot works is that
2021-05-01 02:49:25	@turb3	it physically shouldn't have happened
2021-05-01 02:49:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	hmm
2021-05-01 02:49:32	@turb3	unless the nominee was somehow trashed
2021-05-01 02:49:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	then i have no clue
2021-05-01 02:49:40	Pitohui	Like World 2-3 (NSMB)
2021-05-01 02:49:51	Lakituthequick	Actual nominees still show up with 0 points if they didn't get any yeah
2021-05-01 02:50:49	@turb3	this is also a thing in the forum version of the results
2021-05-01 02:50:50	@turb3	oh well
2021-05-01 02:50:53	@turb3	i guess it was just human error
2021-05-01 02:50:59	Pitohui	I think World 4-1 SMB3 is also missing from the results
2021-05-01 02:51:08	@turb3	those awards are shit to tally even with the help of a bot because everything literally looks identical
2021-05-01 02:51:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah that's what i'm thinking
2021-05-01 02:51:21	Lakituthequick	I'm looking at the poll sorter now
2021-05-01 02:51:27	@turb3	so i'm not going to have anyone's head over it especially since maybe i fucked it up myself
2021-05-01 02:51:27	Lakituthequick	Looks exactly the same here
2021-05-01 02:51:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	human error got a couple of results deleted
2021-05-01 02:51:28	Pitohui	But there is a World 4-1 (NSMB) in the results that isn't in the Full List
2021-05-01 02:51:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	and honestly
2021-05-01 02:51:32	Pitohui	Huh, interesting
2021-05-01 02:51:38	Pitohui	And not surprising considering the workload
2021-05-01 02:51:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	if we have one award fuckup in what, five years?
2021-05-01 02:51:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's a pretty damn good rate
2021-05-01 02:51:47	@turb3	yeah it's whatever
2021-05-01 02:52:01	@turb3	i'm not especially eager to add the writeins with this in mind
2021-05-01 02:52:10	Pitohui	So I guess we're at 15, so we could just add the three write-ins if we want to hit the hard cap, but
2021-05-01 02:52:20	@turb3	they're not like super high above other things
2021-05-01 02:52:25	@turb3	next most is 5
2021-05-01 02:52:27	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-01 02:52:34	@turb3	i'd say let's just move on
2021-05-01 02:52:43	Smasher	in that case i think im good to keep this one as is
2021-05-01 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	in CrowdSignal there's alsoo 11 listed???
2021-05-01 02:53:02	@turb3	Favorite 3D Mario Level (Toy Time Galaxy (SMG), Good Egg Galaxy (SMG), Gusty Garden Galaxy (SMG), Whomp's Fortress/Throwback Galaxy (SM64/SMG2), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Cosmic Cove Galaxy (SMG2), Bob-omb Battlefield (SM64), Tick Tock Clock (SM64), Pinna Park (SMS), Sirena Beach (SMS), Delfino Plaza/Airstrip (SMS), Mount Must Dash (SM3DW), The Great Tower of Bowser Land (SM3DW), Champion's...
2021-05-01 02:53:03	@turb3	...Road (SM3DW), Metro Kingdom (SMO), Bowser's Kingdom (SMO), Wooded Kingdom (SMO), Sand Kingdom (SMO))
2021-05-01 02:53:04	Pitohui	I'm good here
2021-05-01 02:53:07	@turb3	interesting ltq
2021-05-01 02:53:12	@turb3	very interesting
2021-05-01 02:53:13	Pitohui	Oh, huh, interesting indeed
2021-05-01 02:53:21	Lakituthequick	Will look into this after meeting
2021-05-01 02:53:27	Rose	Do any of the areas in Fury count as levels
2021-05-01 02:53:33	Lakituthequick	16) Champion's Road (SM3DW) - 47 - 2.62%
2021-05-01 02:53:33	Lakituthequick	17) Sirena Beach (SMS) - 35 - 1.95%
2021-05-01 02:53:33	Lakituthequick	18) Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2) - 32 - 1.78%
2021-05-01 02:53:33	Lakituthequick	19) O. Freezeflame Galaxy (SMG) - 11 - 0.61%
2021-05-01 02:53:33	Lakituthequick	19) O. Luncheon Kingdom (SMO) - 11 - 0.61%
2021-05-01 02:53:33	Lakituthequick	21) O. Seaside Kingdom (SMO) - 5 - 0.28%
2021-05-01 02:53:33	Lakituthequick	21) O. Super Bell Hill (SM3DW) - 5 - 0.28%
2021-05-01 02:53:35	@turb3	well adding to polls is also hard because everything is skfdhdjfhjh (GAME ABBREVIATION)
2021-05-01 02:53:39	Pitohui	This one could see some changes as a result of 3D All-Stars
2021-05-01 02:53:40	@turb3	makes it super hard to know where things end and begin
2021-05-01 02:53:53	Pitohui	And, yeah, Rose, I personally would think the different little islands qualify as levels
2021-05-01 02:54:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeeah it sounds like some of the nominees just got never added to the poll sorter
2021-05-01 02:54:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	*the poll
2021-05-01 02:54:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	it happens
2021-05-01 02:54:13	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Lake_Lapcat#Islands
2021-05-01 02:54:16	Pitohui	For reference
2021-05-01 02:54:30	Pitohui	Each "island" has multiple missions that see you completing tasks to collect Cat Shines
2021-05-01 02:54:34	Pitohui	Now, on the other hand
2021-05-01 02:54:46	Lakituthequick	It looks like the nominees might have never been added to the poll itself actuall
2021-05-01 02:54:47	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 02:54:52	Pitohui	These are much shorter and simpler missions than other 3D levels, so I don't know how much interest they would attract
2021-05-01 02:55:14	Smasher	i actually just finished bowsers fury yesterday
2021-05-01 02:55:21	@turb3	it is what it is
2021-05-01 02:55:27	@turb3	will just have to crosscheck this year
2021-05-01 02:55:37	@turb3	also i'm not at all familiar with bowser's fury and don't have much of an opinion on like
2021-05-01 02:55:41	@turb3	swapping out/etc
2021-05-01 02:55:47	Smasher	i can honestly say that while i enjoyed it none of the islands really stood out to me?
2021-05-01 02:55:56	Pitohui	I honestly think we could leave these off
2021-05-01 02:55:56	@turb3	i do think freezeflame and luncheon are noticeable enough but also i have a personal hateboner for luncheon
2021-05-01 02:56:02	Pitohui	And see if they do well as write-ins
2021-05-01 02:56:04	@turb3	yeah
2021-05-01 02:56:08	Smasher	i agree
2021-05-01 02:56:18	Pitohui	Because, yeah, like, they're levels, but they feel more equivalent to...
2021-05-01 02:56:25	Pitohui	Like the Secret Mission areas in Sunshine
2021-05-01 02:56:27	Lakituthequick	For Turb & Anton's reference here's the edit page https://app.crowdsignal.com/polls/10562910/edit
2021-05-01 02:56:33	Smasher	i dont think i particularly want to include them over grandmaster or something
2021-05-01 02:56:41	Smasher	yeah thats a good comparison
2021-05-01 02:57:04	@turb3	thx
2021-05-01 02:58:25	@turb3	this is really more something i'm going to leave up to you guys with discussion open for a bit longer
2021-05-01 02:58:30	@turb3	cuz i just have not played 3d mario in forever
2021-05-01 02:58:39	Rose	I'm good with keeping as is
2021-05-01 02:58:47	Pitohui	I don't think there's any need for changes this year
2021-05-01 02:59:07	Pitohui	We see how 3D All Stars affects it, we see if any Lake Lapcat islands do well as write-ins
2021-05-01 02:59:17	Pitohui	Well
2021-05-01 02:59:19	Pitohui	Actually
2021-05-01 02:59:31	Pitohui	Lake Lapcat as a whole is basically the same as a Mario Odyssey Kingdom
2021-05-01 02:59:43	Pitohui	Just if the moons were distributed in sub-areas with multiple missions
2021-05-01 02:59:46	Smasher	...honestly yeah
2021-05-01 02:59:54	Pitohui	So I guess we could also consider adding Lake Lapcat itself, too
2021-05-01 03:00:13	Pitohui	It's a weird middle ground because it's a level with lots of levels in it but it's basically an Odyssey Kingdom
2021-05-01 03:00:16	Smasher	it only took a few hours for me to finish the whole thing total
2021-05-01 03:00:17	Pitohui	So, hmm...
2021-05-01 03:00:34	@turb3	i would be fine with doing something like axing grandmaster for lapcat
2021-05-01 03:00:35	Pitohui	I guess we should probably add Lake Lapcat (Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury)
2021-05-01 03:00:57	Smasher	i guess i didn't think of it like that but it makes sense
2021-05-01 03:01:03	@turb3	Swap out "Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG)" for "Lake Lapcat (SM3DW + BF)"?
2021-05-01 03:01:05	@turb3	a
2021-05-01 03:01:05	Pitohui	Er, or, by conventions Lake Lapcat (SM3DW + BF)
2021-05-01 03:01:08	Pitohui	y
2021-05-01 03:01:13	Smasher	especially because it literally is just a big open world
2021-05-01 03:01:13	Rose	a
2021-05-01 03:01:15	Smasher	y
2021-05-01 03:01:20	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 03:01:36	Smasher	3-0-2
2021-05-01 03:02:42	@turb3	uhhhhh hjesus
2021-05-01 03:02:48	@turb3	i guess i will switch to y just so this motion actually passes
2021-05-01 03:02:51	@turb3	i wish people were here
2021-05-01 03:02:53	@turb3	:crying:
2021-05-01 03:03:05	Smasher	4-0-1
2021-05-01 03:03:11	Lakituthequick	imagine being here
2021-05-01 03:03:13	Smasher	:notlikenico:
2021-05-01 03:03:27	Lakituthequick	this post made by -- actually here gang
2021-05-01 03:03:46	Rose	NS literally just liked my post in the incubator thread
2021-05-01 03:03:48	Rose	Why isn't he here
2021-05-01 03:03:51	@turb3	:screamingcat:
2021-05-01 03:04:00	Pitohui	One day Awards is going to be a long forgotten relic and I'll still find a way to log on to IRC on alternating Fridays and Saturdays in spring
2021-05-01 03:04:05	Smasher	:help:
2021-05-01 03:04:06	@turb3	ok i guess i will switch them out
2021-05-01 03:04:11	@turb3	as usual, we can discuss this during the review
2021-05-01 03:04:37	Lakituthequick	NS is online on Discord right now
2021-05-01 03:04:43	Rose	NS JOIN
2021-05-01 03:04:46	Smasher	maybe when more people are here people will agree with it or tell me and pitohui this was a terrible idea
2021-05-01 03:04:50	Smasher	yell at him
2021-05-01 03:05:04	@turb3	god i hate formatting
2021-05-01 03:05:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	nS
2021-05-01 03:05:08	@turb3	i pingeed ns like an hour ago
2021-05-01 03:05:09	Pitohui	We've yelled at him on Discord already
2021-05-01 03:05:09	@turb3	yell at him
2021-05-01 03:05:16	Pitohui	NS, come to us
2021-05-01 03:05:17	@turb3	Favorite Boss Battle (Phantamanta (SMS), Brobot (SPM), Rawk Hawk (PM:TTYD), Bowser in the Sky (SM64), Kaptain K. Rool 1 and 2 (DKC2), Super Dimentio (SPM), Elder Princess Shroob (M&L:PiT), Megaleg (SMG), General Guy (PM), Kingfin (SMG), Popple and Rookie (M&L:SS), Dark Bowser (M&L:BIS), Bowser/Meowser (SM3DW), Bowser (SMG), Mechawiggler (SMO), Bowser (SMO), Shadow Queen (PM:TTYD))
2021-05-01 03:05:19	Pitohui	We need the judge
2021-05-01 03:05:39	Rose	Does Fury Bowser count as a boss 
2021-05-01 03:05:43	Pitohui	Hmm...
2021-05-01 03:05:49	Pitohui	I mean
2021-05-01 03:05:51	Lakituthequick	15) General Guy (PM) - 36 - 2.04%
2021-05-01 03:05:51	Lakituthequick	16) Kingfin (SMG) - 32 - 1.82%
2021-05-01 03:05:51	Lakituthequick	17) Phantamanta (SMS) - 30 - 1.70%
2021-05-01 03:05:51	Lakituthequick	18) O. RoboBrood (SMO) - 7 - 0.40%
2021-05-01 03:05:51	Lakituthequick	19) O. Boomsday Machine (SMG2) - 6 - 0.34%
2021-05-01 03:05:51	Lakituthequick	19) O. Bouldergeist (SMG) - 6 - 0.34%
2021-05-01 03:05:52	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-01 03:05:56	Smasher	id say he kind of does
2021-05-01 03:06:00	Pitohui	When you battle him as Giga Cat Mario
2021-05-01 03:06:16	Smasher	yeah you have to fight him several times
2021-05-01 03:06:19	Pitohui	Which probably means its worth swapping out Phantamanta for him
2021-05-01 03:06:23	Smasher	he is indeed a poss
2021-05-01 03:06:31	Smasher	boss
2021-05-01 03:06:38	Smasher	well arent we at 17
2021-05-01 03:06:39	Smasher	or
2021-05-01 03:06:43	Pitohui	But I'm going to rally an army and we're going to vote Phantamanta past him in write-ins
2021-05-01 03:06:43	Smasher	let me count LOL
2021-05-01 03:06:43	Rose	Or we finally make Bowser his own category and have the rest be in the general boss category
2021-05-01 03:06:46	Pitohui	Oh, that's true
2021-05-01 03:06:54	Pitohui	I guess we could just add
2021-05-01 03:07:06	Smasher	yeah 17
2021-05-01 03:07:07	Lakituthequick	We're at 17 now yeah
2021-05-01 03:07:07	Pitohui	But I'm biased because I like Phantamanta so I probably shouldn't make that call
2021-05-01 03:07:16	Smasher	i think im in favor of just added fury bowser
2021-05-01 03:07:19	Smasher	adding
2021-05-01 03:07:26	Lakituthequick	God-slayer Bowser
2021-05-01 03:07:37	Smasher	i dont think a swap is needed and none of the write ins impress me enough
2021-05-01 03:07:52	Pitohui	Yeah, why not then
2021-05-01 03:07:54	Lakituthequick	RoboBrood is underwhelming
2021-05-01 03:08:04	Pitohui	Just add Fury Bowser (SM3DW + BF)
2021-05-01 03:08:13	Smasher	i like boomsday and bouldergeist more than robobrood
2021-05-01 03:08:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm okay with just adding him
2021-05-01 03:08:18	@turb3	i can just add fury bowser yes
2021-05-01 03:08:24	@turb3	to finalize it
2021-05-01 03:08:32	@turb3	Add "Fury Bowser (SM3DW + BF)"?
2021-05-01 03:08:33	@turb3	y
2021-05-01 03:08:34	Smasher	y
2021-05-01 03:08:34	Pitohui	y
2021-05-01 03:08:34	Rose	y
2021-05-01 03:08:36	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 03:08:42	Smasher	5-0-0
2021-05-01 03:08:49	Lakituthequick	Can I discuss nominee formatting heer
2021-05-01 03:08:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-05-01 03:08:58	Smasher	6-0-0
2021-05-01 03:08:58	@turb3	yes
2021-05-01 03:09:03	Pitohui	Is this going to be about removing spaces
2021-05-01 03:09:16	Lakituthequick	would it be "SM3DW + BF" or "SM3DW+BF"
2021-05-01 03:09:32	Lakituthequick	There are no spaces in other abbreviations
2021-05-01 03:09:34	Pitohui	For consistency with other title abbreviations, the latter
2021-05-01 03:09:36	@turb3	i assumed the former
2021-05-01 03:09:40	@turb3	but i have no opinion
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2021-05-01 03:09:49	Pitohui	We have achieved a quorum
2021-05-01 03:09:53	Smasher	the latter probably
2021-05-01 03:10:06	Pitohui	But, yeah, the latter to be consistent
2021-05-01 03:10:16	@turb3	if you want to update it to the latter on the doc i'm not opposed
2021-05-01 03:11:04	Lakituthequick	👍
2021-05-01 03:11:09	@turb3	if we're done here i'll probably just move us to m28
2021-05-01 03:11:19	@turb3	i'm worried we fucked around too much but i guess there's still like 50 minutes left
2021-05-01 03:11:23	@turb3	even if im panicking already
2021-05-01 03:11:32	Pitohui	I think that's good for M27
2021-05-01 03:11:33	Smasher	i panic daily its ok
2021-05-01 03:11:36	Lakituthequick	last month we were ahead of schedule so
2021-05-01 03:11:40	Smasher	im fine with moving on
2021-05-01 03:11:45	@turb3	i keep trying to fuck around and figure out how to get ns to actually join the meeting
2021-05-01 03:11:45	Lakituthequick	no need to worry
2021-05-01 03:11:46	Lakituthequick	yet
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2021-05-01 03:11:52	@turb3	i am worrying!!
2021-05-01 03:11:56	@turb3	hi
2021-05-01 03:11:58	@turb3	Favorite Game Setting (Mushroom Kingdom (SMB), Mushroom Kingdom (PM), Super Mario RPG World, Dinosaur Land (SMW), Yoshi's Island (SMW2:YI), Isle Delfino (SMS), Beanbean Kingdom (M&L:SS), Rogueport & surrounding areas (PM:TTYD), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Sarasaland (SML), Donkey Kong Island (DKC), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Comet Observatory & galaxies (SMG), Pi'illo Island...
2021-05-01 03:11:59	@turb3	...(M&L:DT), Super Mario Odyssey World, Crocodile Isle (DKC2), Peach's Castle (SM64), The Last Resort (LM3))
2021-05-01 03:12:01	Lakituthequick	16) Donkey Kong Island (DKC) - 31 - 1.67%
2021-05-01 03:12:01	Lakituthequick	17) Sarasaland (SML) - 29 - 1.57%
2021-05-01 03:12:01	Lakituthequick	18) Crocodile Isle (DKC2) - 22 - 1.19%
2021-05-01 03:12:01	Lakituthequick	19) O. Luigi's Mansion (LM) - 6 - 0.32%
2021-05-01 03:12:02	Lakituthequick	20) O. Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:BIS) - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:12:02	Lakituthequick	20) O. Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT) - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:12:07	Lakituthequick	hi revin
2021-05-01 03:12:16	Pitohui	We're right on schedule according to the schedule, Turb, fwiw
2021-05-01 03:12:19	@turb3	oh thank god
2021-05-01 03:12:24	@turb3	no longer worrying
2021-05-01 03:12:24	Rose	Wait, hold on
2021-05-01 03:12:31	Rose	Should the Lake from BF apply here instead
2021-05-01 03:12:32	@turb3	idk if anything from sm3dw bf counts as a game setting
2021-05-01 03:12:33	@turb3	i don't know
2021-05-01 03:12:34	Pitohui	30th = Meeting – Mario
2021-05-01 03:12:34	Pitohui	
2021-05-01 03:12:35	Pitohui	
2021-05-01 03:12:35	@turb3	i was about to ask that
2021-05-01 03:12:35	Pitohui	
2021-05-01 03:12:36	Pitohui	May:
2021-05-01 03:12:36	Pitohui	
2021-05-01 03:12:37	Pitohui	8th = Meeting – Mario / Fail
2021-05-01 03:12:37	Pitohui	
2021-05-01 03:12:38	Pitohui	
2021-05-01 03:12:38	Pitohui	
2021-05-01 03:12:49	Pitohui	I would think Lake Lapcat would [i]also[/i] apply here
2021-05-01 03:12:54	Smasher	yeah i kind of forgot about this award
2021-05-01 03:12:59	@turb3	is it both a level and a game setting??
2021-05-01 03:13:04	Smasher	i personally think it could apply to both???
2021-05-01 03:13:08	Pitohui	Pretty much, yeah
2021-05-01 03:13:10	Rose	I don't know if the entire space works as a level
2021-05-01 03:13:14	Pitohui	I think it fits both
2021-05-01 03:13:24	ReverseInput	lapcat is definitely a setting imo
2021-05-01 03:13:30	Smasher	its the entire sub game but it also just is basically a giant level?
2021-05-01 03:13:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	i know nothing about fury so i can't help
2021-05-01 03:13:39	Pitohui	Again, it hits that weird middle ground
2021-05-01 03:13:46	Pitohui	Where each individual island is a "level"
2021-05-01 03:13:46	Smasher	if it only works for one i would say this one
2021-05-01 03:13:49	ReverseInput	its a big area but with several subareas
2021-05-01 03:13:56	Pitohui	But also the whole thing is basically an Odyssey Kingdom
2021-05-01 03:14:00	ReverseInput	yeah i agree smasher
2021-05-01 03:14:01	Smasher	pretty much
2021-05-01 03:14:02	@turb3	yeah i literally know nothing about bowsers fury
2021-05-01 03:14:04	Rose	Yeah if it's going in one award it's this one
2021-05-01 03:14:12	@turb3	i'm not OPPOSED to having it on both but i do think it might be better if we localize it to just game setting
2021-05-01 03:14:22	ReverseInput	its closer to a setting than a singular level
2021-05-01 03:14:22	@turb3	that said, we also would  need to switch something out if we added it here
2021-05-01 03:14:27	Pitohui	I would agree with that if it's the consensus to only have it on one award
2021-05-01 03:14:38	Smasher	i feel like it *could* fit in both but if we think it's best to just have it in one, id add it to this and add grandmaster back to 3d level
2021-05-01 03:14:47	Smasher	because i did forget about this award
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2021-05-01 03:15:08	Rose	LOL
2021-05-01 03:15:09	Smasher	and none of the islands stand out as much as lapcat itself
2021-05-01 03:15:11	notninjasquidimjusttryingtotes	it works
2021-05-01 03:15:15	Pitohui	Good job, NS
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2021-05-01 03:15:20	Lakituthequick	rip
2021-05-01 03:15:21	Pitohui	Or not NS
2021-05-01 03:15:22	Smasher	h
2021-05-01 03:15:24	Pitohui	I can't tell
2021-05-01 03:15:31	Smasher	anyway as for this
2021-05-01 03:15:38	Rose	I naturally assumed it was tpg tbh
2021-05-01 03:15:40	Smasher	im good with swapping out crocodile isle for lake lapcat
2021-05-01 03:15:46	Lakituthequick	my client now shrunk the actual text part of chat
2021-05-01 03:15:49	Lakituthequick	amazong
2021-05-01 03:15:52	Smasher	as much as i love dkc2
2021-05-01 03:15:58	Smasher	it didnt do that well
2021-05-01 03:16:02	Pitohui	Anyways, eh, I think it fits both, but there's a good case for swapping Lapcat into this one and then going back to the "let the Lapcat islands be write-ins" for the others
2021-05-01 03:16:05	@turb3	it was me
2021-05-01 03:16:06	@turb3	i was testing it
2021-05-01 03:16:13	Rose	IT WAS ME, AUSTIN
2021-05-01 03:16:27	@turb3	if lapcat was swapped into this award, i'd want to put grandmaster back
2021-05-01 03:16:33	Smasher	i agree
2021-05-01 03:16:36	Rose	I agree
2021-05-01 03:16:41	@turb3	i will call a vote for that and then get up to close my windows because my mom turned the air conditioner on :screamingcat:
2021-05-01 03:16:41	Smasher	grandmaster can be added back
2021-05-01 03:16:46	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-01 03:17:07	@turb3	Swap out Crocodile Isle (DKC2) for Lake Lapcat (SM3DW+BF)? (implicitly swaps it out of favorite 3d level)
2021-05-01 03:17:08	Pitohui	Oh, also just realized we completely skipped Origami King discussion for Favorite Boss Battle
2021-05-01 03:17:09	@turb3	y
2021-05-01 03:17:12	Pitohui	y
2021-05-01 03:17:14	@turb3	oh i forgot about origami king
2021-05-01 03:17:15	Rose	y
2021-05-01 03:17:15	Smasher	y
2021-05-01 03:17:21	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 03:17:23	Rose	Oh lol yeah
2021-05-01 03:17:25	Smasher	oh OOPS
2021-05-01 03:17:28	Smasher	5-0-0
2021-05-01 03:17:29	Lakituthequick	Also yes now yo usay it
2021-05-01 03:17:38	Smasher	i forgot origami king existed
2021-05-01 03:17:39	Lakituthequick	Do return to that one
2021-05-01 03:17:52	Smasher	i didnt play it so i cant add anything to it, though
2021-05-01 03:18:07	Rose	Do we have to consider OK for setting too
2021-05-01 03:18:21	Rose	Or is it just Mushroom Kingdom But Paper
2021-05-01 03:18:23	Pitohui	Most of the Boss Battles in Origami King are the same, just with different gimmicks added to the ring pathing, but there are a - yes we should, Rose, - couple worth bringing up
2021-05-01 03:18:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	lapcat works better for this yeah
2021-05-01 03:18:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-05-01 03:18:36	Smasher	i cant comment on that either
2021-05-01 03:18:39	Smasher	6-0-0
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2021-05-01 03:18:44	@turb3	i don't know anything about the origami king either
2021-05-01 03:19:07	ltqtest	huh, kiwi works for me
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2021-05-01 03:19:14	Pitohui	[s]It's okay, I played ToK for all of you[/s]
2021-05-01 03:19:26	Smasher	15) General Guy (PM) - 36 - 2.04% 
2021-05-01 03:19:28	Smasher	16) Kingfin (SMG) - 32 - 1.82% 
2021-05-01 03:19:29	Smasher	17) Phantamanta (SMS) - 30 - 1.70%
2021-05-01 03:19:32	Rose	Something something The origami King
2021-05-01 03:19:37	Smasher	as a reminder
2021-05-01 03:19:56	Smasher	fury bowser is 18 so now we WILL have to remove stuff if we add tok bosses
2021-05-01 03:19:59	Pitohui	Okay, so, for ToK, like I said, moooost of the battles are the same, except for-
2021-05-01 03:20:16	Pitohui	Scissors, who has the added wrinkle of turning the fight into a "one hit and you die match"
2021-05-01 03:20:31	Pitohui	King Olly himself, who has a mullti-stage boss fight that changes the gameplay each phase
2021-05-01 03:20:36	@turb3	Favorite Boss Battle (Phantamanta (SMS), Brobot (SPM), Rawk Hawk (PM:TTYD), Bowser in the Sky (SM64), Kaptain K. Rool 1 and 2 (DKC2), Super Dimentio (SPM), Elder Princess Shroob (M&L:PiT), Megaleg (SMG), General Guy (PM), Kingfin (SMG), Popple and Rookie (M&L:SS), Dark Bowser (M&L:BIS), Bowser/Meowser (SM3DW), Bowser (SMG), Mechawiggler (SMO), Bowser (SMO), Shadow Queen (PM:TTYD), Fury...
2021-05-01 03:20:38	@turb3	...Bowser (SM3DW+BF))
2021-05-01 03:20:39	@turb3	again
2021-05-01 03:20:51	Pitohui	Handaconda, who is honestly just really annoying because it makes you play Rock Paper Scissors as a boss fight
2021-05-01 03:21:00	Smasher	:worry:
2021-05-01 03:21:09	Rose	I've heard a lot of people talking about Scissors so he might be our best add and we can leave the rest to see how they fair with write ins 
2021-05-01 03:21:22	Pitohui	And this one interesting edge case of... the Origami Airplane Squadrom or something, which I don't know if it should count as a boss fight or minigame
2021-05-01 03:21:26	Rose	But King Olly might be our shoe in since villain and all that
2021-05-01 03:21:40	Pitohui	For reference
2021-05-01 03:21:41	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Paper_Plane_Squadron
2021-05-01 03:21:46	Pitohui	Of the four,
2021-05-01 03:21:58	Pitohui	I think the one that's most worth considering for this Award is probably Olly
2021-05-01 03:22:02	@turb3	we ARE at 18 if we do this
2021-05-01 03:22:07	Pitohui	And that one is a "maybe" from me
2021-05-01 03:22:10	@turb3	so we will be swapping out phantamanta if this happens
2021-05-01 03:22:22	@turb3	like, in favor of an origami king boss
2021-05-01 03:22:24	Smasher	olly sounds like the most appealing option to me
2021-05-01 03:22:31	Pitohui	It seems pretty notable, with the different rounds
2021-05-01 03:22:39	Rose	Kill Phantamanta for Olly and let's see how the rest do for write ins
2021-05-01 03:22:44	Smasher	but im indifferent as i have not played the game and dont really like phantamanta
2021-05-01 03:22:44	Pitohui	Seems reasonable to me
2021-05-01 03:22:49	@turb3	Swap "Phantamanta" for "King Olly"?
2021-05-01 03:22:52	Smasher	a
2021-05-01 03:22:54	Pitohui	I don't want to see Phantamanta go...
2021-05-01 03:22:54	Rose	Let's see how many people care about Rubber Band
2021-05-01 03:22:55	Pitohui	But
2021-05-01 03:22:55	Pitohui	y
2021-05-01 03:22:56	Rose	y
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2021-05-01 03:23:04	@turb3	y
2021-05-01 03:23:04	Smasher	2-0-1
2021-05-01 03:23:04	Lakituthequick	!
2021-05-01 03:23:05	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 03:23:06	@turb3	!
2021-05-01 03:23:07	NinjaSquid	hello?
2021-05-01 03:23:07	Pitohui	Welcome, NS!
2021-05-01 03:23:11	Smasher	4-0-1
2021-05-01 03:23:14	Smasher	:jeb"
2021-05-01 03:23:16	Rose	FINALLY
2021-05-01 03:23:18	Smasher	:jeb:
2021-05-01 03:23:21	@turb3	we're voting on switching out phantamanta for king olly on favorite boss battle
2021-05-01 03:23:21	NinjaSquid	uh finally
2021-05-01 03:23:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	:jeb1::jeb2::jeb3:
2021-05-01 03:23:51	NinjaSquid	it's been 84 years
2021-05-01 03:23:53	Smasher	ehhh, change to y to give the new game a chance, it'll probably outdo phantamanta anyway
2021-05-01 03:23:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	anyhow i'd be okay with killing phantamanta for olly
2021-05-01 03:23:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	and see how it goes
2021-05-01 03:24:00	Smasher	5-0-0
2021-05-01 03:24:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-05-01 03:24:03	Smasher	6-0-0
2021-05-01 03:24:08	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-01 03:24:13	Smasher	7-0-0
2021-05-01 03:24:53	@turb3	i put him down as PM:TOK
2021-05-01 03:24:55	@turb3	can fix as needed
2021-05-01 03:25:11	Lakituthequick	I think that's the consensus for an abbr so thats good
2021-05-01 03:25:19	Pitohui	Yeah, that's right
2021-05-01 03:25:26	@turb3	Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) (Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong 64, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart 64, Wario Land 3, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario Sunshine, Wario Land 4,...
2021-05-01 03:25:28	@turb3	...Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)
2021-05-01 03:25:31	@_2257	sorry got interrupted 
2021-05-01 03:25:33	@turb3	thats ok
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	15) Wario Land 4 - 34 - 1.81%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	16) Mario Party 3 - 33 - 1.75%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	17) Donkey Kong 64 - 27 - 1.43%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	18) O. Super Mario Bros. 2 - 5 - 0.27%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	19) O. Donkey Kong Country  - 4 - 0.21%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	19) O. Mario Party 6 - 4 - 0.21%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	21) O. Mario Party 7 - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	21) O. Super Mario Kart - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	21) O. Super Mario Land - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:25:49	Lakituthequick	21) Wario Land 3 - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:25:50	Smasher	i cant believe the likes of double dash and ttyd now qualify for classic
2021-05-01 03:25:50	Pitohui	Did we need to revisit Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK) for Favorite Game Setting
2021-05-01 03:25:52	Smasher	im so old
2021-05-01 03:25:57	@turb3	i'm not sure
2021-05-01 03:26:00	@_2257	can i make one comment about the part i missed
2021-05-01 03:26:00	Rose	Any other new classic games to consider
2021-05-01 03:26:00	@turb3	nobody seemed very like
2021-05-01 03:26:11	Lakituthequick	oh yeah
2021-05-01 03:26:13	@turb3	keen on going "hey tok setting is actually really really good"
2021-05-01 03:26:19	Lakituthequick	do have to agree tok is beautiful
2021-05-01 03:26:21	Smasher	>wario land 3 did worse than writeins
2021-05-01 03:26:21	Rose	Oof Wario Land 3 lol
2021-05-01 03:26:40	@turb3	i guess if they want to say their piece on it and kill off sarasaland or something then we can do that
2021-05-01 03:26:41	Pitohui	Well, that's a good reason to axe Wario Land 3
2021-05-01 03:26:43	@turb3	i just kind of forgot
2021-05-01 03:26:45	@turb3	also yes 22
2021-05-01 03:26:52	Smasher	i feel like thats an auto cut in favor of like, smb2
2021-05-01 03:26:52	@_2257	ok
2021-05-01 03:26:55	@turb3	sorry its kind of chaotic right now
2021-05-01 03:27:02	NinjaSquid	should we consider removing wl3 for smb2?
2021-05-01 03:27:03	@_2257	morty is like, objectively not a boss 
2021-05-01 03:27:06	Smasher	we can just go backward if needed
2021-05-01 03:27:17	@_2257	the boss is a goober or whatever theyre called dressed as godzilla
2021-05-01 03:27:38	@turb3	i kind of assumed people were voting for morty specifically though
2021-05-01 03:27:45	@_2257	so if we're going to have that fight, it really shouldn't be called "morty"
2021-05-01 03:27:55	@turb3	we uh,
2021-05-01 03:27:58	@_2257	if its meant to be like a favorite *character* poll then it should be called that
2021-05-01 03:28:03	@turb3	we dont have a definition for favorite luigi's mansion boss,
2021-05-01 03:28:05	@_2257	it shouldnt be amixture of both
2021-05-01 03:28:05	@turb3	so uhh
2021-05-01 03:28:10	Smasher	:fuck:
2021-05-01 03:28:11	@turb3	we should maybe call it character yeah
2021-05-01 03:28:16	@_2257	also
2021-05-01 03:28:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	rip wl3
2021-05-01 03:28:21	Lakituthequick	should we really
2021-05-01 03:28:24	@_2257	i dont know how relevant luigis mansion is right now
2021-05-01 03:28:26	@turb3	i dunno
2021-05-01 03:28:30	Lakituthequick	it was introduced last year for bosses
2021-05-01 03:28:37	@turb3	like this was an award that we made in favor of costume, right
2021-05-01 03:28:43	Lakituthequick	I think so yes
2021-05-01 03:28:45	Smasher	favorite luigi's mansion ghost?
2021-05-01 03:28:51	@_2257	it seems a lot liek favorite capture in that it only stays relevant when there is a new luigi game
2021-05-01 03:28:53	Pitohui	I think we called it boss to avoid it having, like, random regular ghosts on there, but I can see the point behind changing it
2021-05-01 03:28:55	@turb3	i feel like there was a reason - yeah
2021-05-01 03:29:00	Smasher	wait, are they not all ghosts
2021-05-01 03:29:05	Smasher	i have no idea LOL
2021-05-01 03:29:06	Lakituthequick	fav ghost was axed a couple years back
2021-05-01 03:29:09	@turb3	they are ghosts
2021-05-01 03:29:10	Pitohui	Favorite Luigi's Mansion Ghost, though, makes it possible to put down, like, Gold Ghost
2021-05-01 03:29:11	@_2257	it might be better to axe it or convert it into a rotating award like yoshi/wario/dk
2021-05-01 03:29:14	Lakituthequick	and possibly not
2021-05-01 03:29:20	@turb3	a rotating award is an interesting idea
2021-05-01 03:29:24	Rose	Yeah favorite ghost would require characters like Polterpup
2021-05-01 03:29:38	@turb3	that would also fill up space for like, two new award ideas that we had, so
2021-05-01 03:29:49	Smasher	i might be interested in just rotating that one out yeah
2021-05-01 03:29:51	@turb3	i can put it down as a tentative cut thing and we can bring that up in the incubator more
2021-05-01 03:29:56	Pitohui	Also, out of curiosity, would, uh, Madame Clairvoya count for this poll if you go strictly by the "boss definition," 22?
2021-05-01 03:30:03	@turb3	i do think morty still has some merit in being on as a boss even if he never puts back a fight
2021-05-01 03:30:08	@_2257	no lol
2021-05-01 03:30:09	@turb3	because morty and clairvoya are kind of..... in the same boat
2021-05-01 03:30:10	Pitohui	You can still suck up Morty
2021-05-01 03:30:12	@_2257	she doesnt fight you at all
2021-05-01 03:30:26	@turb3	the main difference is that morty isnt needed to beat the game
2021-05-01 03:30:27	@_2257	(well, she drops poison mushrooms, but i think that's a bug)
2021-05-01 03:30:35	@_2257	(she clearly indicates she doesn't intend to fight)
2021-05-01 03:30:40	Pitohui	Well, there's also a lot of optional ghosts in the original LM, Turb
2021-05-01 03:30:51	Pitohui	So by that criteria, someone like Mr. Luggs wouldn't count
2021-05-01 03:30:54	@turb3	yes but like my point is that clairvoya is a nominee
2021-05-01 03:30:59	@turb3	and she;s not technically a boss battle
2021-05-01 03:31:05	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-01 03:31:14	@turb3	morty and clairvoya are in the same boat and the only difference is that morty doesn't need to be sucked up to beat the game
2021-05-01 03:31:16	Pitohui	I'm actually in support of keeping Morty and Clairvoya because they're 
2021-05-01 03:31:18	Lakituthequick	clairvoya is still required to progress right
2021-05-01 03:31:22	@turb3	yes
2021-05-01 03:31:23	Lakituthequick	morty isn't
2021-05-01 03:31:27	Pitohui	*technically* boss battles in that you can suck them up
2021-05-01 03:31:35	@turb3	i'm in favor of keeping them too, but for now i will put the whole award down as a possible cut
2021-05-01 03:31:49	@turb3	if we only think of one solid award, then i will petition in favor of cutting favorite capture first
2021-05-01 03:31:56	@turb3	we have like 4 ideas floating around though
2021-05-01 03:31:57	@_2257	i really dont think that makes them bossex
2021-05-01 03:32:31	Gabumon	I would call mme clairvoya a boss
2021-05-01 03:32:31	@_2257	in the original lm, isnt the term boss used only for chauncy, bogmire, boolossus and king boo
2021-05-01 03:32:34	@turb3	i guess its something we'd want to revisit if this award survives the cuttening
2021-05-01 03:32:39	@turb3	technically i think so
2021-05-01 03:32:45	Pitohui	That's correct, yes
2021-05-01 03:32:47	@turb3	boss ghost
2021-05-01 03:32:51	Gabumon	it doesn't really matter if she's bad at fighting back
2021-05-01 03:32:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah it is
2021-05-01 03:32:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	all the others are just "ghosts"
2021-05-01 03:33:01	@turb3	she DOES lock the door on you
2021-05-01 03:33:05	@turb3	i dont think morty does that
2021-05-01 03:33:06	@_2257	but shes not fighting back
2021-05-01 03:33:09	Gabumon	she is still interacted with in the same format as all the other ghosts that count as bosses
2021-05-01 03:33:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	only the ones that hold area keys are called bosses by the game
2021-05-01 03:33:16	@_2257	she just sits there laughing, and tells you to vacuum her
2021-05-01 03:33:17	@turb3	same as morty in that case i guess yeah
2021-05-01 03:33:23	Gabumon	yeah
2021-05-01 03:33:29	Pitohui	"boss" is kind of one of those weird meta-terms that everyone agrees on until you try to analyze it, though
2021-05-01 03:33:30	@turb3	like, unlike clairvoya he doesnt lock the door, but he is interacted with identically, so
2021-05-01 03:33:35	@turb3	and we counted him as a write-in
2021-05-01 03:33:38	@turb3	i feel it's fine, personally
2021-05-01 03:33:41	@_2257	she isn't hostile at any point 
2021-05-01 03:34:04	Gabumon	the fact that her battle strategy is "do nothing and surrender" doesn't change the fact that she's interacted with in the ghost battle format
2021-05-01 03:34:06	@turb3	like its kind of just arguing over semantics for the sake of two nominees that will likely get write-in traction even if they're not on the award
2021-05-01 03:34:08	Gabumon	that makes her a boss
2021-05-01 03:34:09	ReverseInput	i mean, its been a while so i dont recall, morty doesnt really behave like the other bosses does he?
2021-05-01 03:34:14	@turb3	morty just sits there making his film
2021-05-01 03:34:21	@turb3	unless you specifically choose to vacuum him
2021-05-01 03:34:25	@turb3	but that's kind of the same thing as luggs
2021-05-01 03:34:25	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-01 03:34:29	ReverseInput	most bosses have attack patterns and such, but sucking up morty felt like just vacuuming any other ghost
2021-05-01 03:34:30	@turb3	luggs will  just sit there and eat unless you piss him off
2021-05-01 03:34:32	Lakituthequick	morty does absolutely nothing and you can leave him be
2021-05-01 03:34:37	@turb3	its a weird case
2021-05-01 03:34:39	ReverseInput	like, normal ghosts, not special ghosts
2021-05-01 03:34:49	@_2257	anyway i dont really want to argue the point im actually arguing because my real position is that we should strongly consider changing this award completely
2021-05-01 03:34:55	@turb3	yeah morty is the most passive ghost in the series but id unno
2021-05-01 03:35:01	@turb3	yeah i agree with changing it
2021-05-01 03:35:06	Gabumon	waddle dee in kirby super star is also a boss, despite just standing there
2021-05-01 03:35:13	Lakituthequick	heck luigi is actively sad after sucking up morty
2021-05-01 03:35:28	ReverseInput	i think the naming is whats being a stumbling block here tbh
2021-05-01 03:35:30	@turb3	i might make a forum thread about this
2021-05-01 03:35:33	@turb3	the naming
2021-05-01 03:35:33	Gabumon	it's not so much about what they do, it's how the game presents them and in what game context they appear in
2021-05-01 03:35:49	@turb3	since like, its clear that we all have a lot of different opinions on this where the definition/naming of the award isnt really working
2021-05-01 03:35:52	Lakituthequick	semantics are a great thing
2021-05-01 03:36:00	@turb3	and in the event we don't cut out this award because luigi isnt relevant anymore i think it is worth visiting
2021-05-01 03:36:30	@turb3	i think next up we should probably handle the origami king favorite game setting thing if people agree thats worth adding
2021-05-01 03:37:02	Lakituthequick	i'd say it probably is
2021-05-01 03:37:03	Pitohui	TOK has some cool areas in the later portion of the game. I could see a case for it.
2021-05-01 03:37:16	@turb3	if we added it we would be cutting out sarasaland in favor
2021-05-01 03:37:17	Lakituthequick	man i should play tok more
2021-05-01 03:37:45	Rose	I'd be alright with swapping Sarasa
2021-05-01 03:37:53	Pitohui	Can cut Sarasland and see how Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK) performs
2021-05-01 03:37:59	@turb3	M28 Favorite Game Setting: Switch out "Sarasaland (SML)" for "Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK)?"
2021-05-01 03:38:04	Rose	y
2021-05-01 03:38:04	@turb3	y
2021-05-01 03:38:06	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-01 03:38:07	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 03:38:10	Gabumon	a
2021-05-01 03:38:11	@_2257	a
2021-05-01 03:38:20	Pitohui	y
2021-05-01 03:39:00	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-05-01 03:39:02	Rose	Where's the tally jesse jesse the tally
2021-05-01 03:39:16	Lakituthequick	i forgot i have "jesse" on my tag list
2021-05-01 03:39:21	Rose	LOL
2021-05-01 03:39:24	@turb3	can i call you jesser
2021-05-01 03:39:31	Pitohui	5-0-2 but I'm not Smasher
2021-05-01 03:39:36	@turb3	i would say that probably passes
2021-05-01 03:39:50	Pitohui	Oh 6-0-2
2021-05-01 03:39:53	Pitohui	I missed Perch
2021-05-01 03:39:57	@turb3	sorry for like. jerking you guys around awards like we're on methamphetamine
2021-05-01 03:40:07	Pitohui	It's okay
2021-05-01 03:40:12	@turb3	i think we can finish mario tonight and maybe get a bit into fail though
2021-05-01 03:40:13	Pitohui	We forgot TOK and that's what did it
2021-05-01 03:40:17	@turb3	depends on how people feel
2021-05-01 03:40:19	@turb3	yeah
2021-05-01 03:40:33	Lakituthequick	oh man
2021-05-01 03:40:38	@turb3	if anyone wants to bring anything else up about past awards, then now is the time to do so before i swing down the executioners axe for m29 again
2021-05-01 03:40:38	Lakituthequick	i forgot to look at my notes the entire time
2021-05-01 03:40:43	@turb3	f
2021-05-01 03:40:44	Lakituthequick	tok is in there 
2021-05-01 03:40:46	Lakituthequick	whoops
2021-05-01 03:40:47	Smasher	im back sorry
2021-05-01 03:40:50	Pitohui	I think it's one of those nights, LTQ
2021-05-01 03:40:53	Pitohui	We're all out of it
2021-05-01 03:40:59	Smasher	6-0-3 because im abstaining
2021-05-01 03:41:06	@turb3	yeah im just in panic mode
2021-05-01 03:41:09	Lakituthequick	my notes are literally
2021-05-01 03:41:10	Pitohui	I've been thinking about the TOK bosses all week and I nearly forgot to bring them up
2021-05-01 03:41:11	Lakituthequick	M27. Favorite Boss Battle
2021-05-01 03:41:11	Lakituthequick	Look at Vellumentals and stationary from PM:TOK
2021-05-01 03:41:11	Lakituthequick	M28. Favorite Game Setting
2021-05-01 03:41:11	Lakituthequick	Consider: Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK)
2021-05-01 03:41:13	@turb3	even though we're very far ahead
2021-05-01 03:41:13	Gabumon	what's the cut-off point between classic and modern again
2021-05-01 03:41:19	@turb3	gcn/gba and wii/ds
2021-05-01 03:41:27	Pitohui	I believe right now its GCN/GBA and - Turb beat mea
2021-05-01 03:41:32	Gabumon	do we feel like moving that line this year
2021-05-01 03:41:41	@turb3	i have been thinking about that a lot,  but i don't know if we can make a case for moving the line until nintendo decides "actually i hate the switch"
2021-05-01 03:41:46	@turb3	like wii u just doesn't really have games
2021-05-01 03:42:00	@turb3	it would be a very lopsided pair of awards even if the wii doesn't really count as modern anymore, which is unfortunate
2021-05-01 03:42:02	Lakituthequick	yeah the line is fine as of now
2021-05-01 03:42:04	Pitohui	I feel like it makes sense to move the line as new consoles come out
2021-05-01 03:42:11	Rose	I'd give another generation until we consider moving yeah
2021-05-01 03:42:13	@turb3	i would be very much in favor of moving the line when switch 2 is out
2021-05-01 03:42:14	Pitohui	So, Switch gets a successor, move it forward
2021-05-01 03:42:16	@turb3	yes
2021-05-01 03:42:19	Smasher	i was just about to say what pitohui did
2021-05-01 03:42:41	Smasher	i dont think its even been 10 years since the last non just dance wii game came out?
2021-05-01 03:42:45	@turb3	Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) (Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong 64, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart 64, Wario Land 3, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario Sunshine, Wario Land 4,...
2021-05-01 03:42:46	@turb3	...Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)
2021-05-01 03:43:03	Rose	We have to take off WL3 right
2021-05-01 03:43:05	Smasher	as for this i feel like we can just auto cut wl3 unfortunately
2021-05-01 03:43:08	Lakituthequick	i already posted this but
2021-05-01 03:43:08	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-01 03:43:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	sadly yes
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	15) Wario Land 4 - 34 - 1.81%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	16) Mario Party 3 - 33 - 1.75%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	17) Donkey Kong 64 - 27 - 1.43%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	18) O. Super Mario Bros. 2 - 5 - 0.27%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	19) O. Donkey Kong Country  - 4 - 0.21%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	19) O. Mario Party 6 - 4 - 0.21%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	21) O. Mario Party 7 - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	21) O. Super Mario Kart - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	21) O. Super Mario Land - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:43:09	Lakituthequick	21) Wario Land 3 - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-01 03:43:27	Lakituthequick	murder wl3
2021-05-01 03:43:30	Rose	Replace WL3 with SMB2 imo
2021-05-01 03:43:32	NinjaSquid	just dance 2020 was on wii lol
2021-05-01 03:43:36	Pitohui	Per Rose
2021-05-01 03:43:37	Smasher	3 votes is absolutely abysmal
2021-05-01 03:43:39	@_2257	donkey kong 64 is on this and didnt get last place
2021-05-01 03:43:41	@_2257	shameful
2021-05-01 03:43:43	@turb3	i agree
2021-05-01 03:43:54	@turb3	also yeah we should just autoreplace wl3 with smb2 so i will do that
2021-05-01 03:43:58	@turb3	o7
2021-05-01 03:44:07	Smasher	id add smb2 too because while its not very high im very weird and feel like this award should stay at 18
2021-05-01 03:44:26	@turb3	i mean may as well
2021-05-01 03:44:43	Smasher	i feel bad for wl2 because i like it more than the bottom 2 but oh well
2021-05-01 03:44:46	@turb3	Switch out "Wario Land 3" for "Super Mario Bros. 2"? (wario land 3 will be cut regardless)
2021-05-01 03:44:49	@turb3	y
2021-05-01 03:44:51	Pitohui	y
2021-05-01 03:44:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-05-01 03:44:54	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-01 03:44:56	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 03:44:57	Smasher	im just going to vote for one of the paper marios anyway
2021-05-01 03:44:59	Smasher	y
2021-05-01 03:45:03	Smasher	6-0-0
2021-05-01 03:45:05	Rose	y
2021-05-01 03:45:08	Smasher	7-0-0
2021-05-01 03:45:17	@_2257	a
2021-05-01 03:45:27	Gabumon	I mean if it's gonna be cut regardless, idk why vote
2021-05-01 03:45:33	Gabumon	a
2021-05-01 03:45:39	@turb3	i dunno like
2021-05-01 03:45:44	@turb3	in case we want to put another thing in the slot
2021-05-01 03:45:47	@turb3	besides smb2
2021-05-01 03:45:50	Smasher	7-0-2
2021-05-01 03:45:54	@turb3	like dkc is close so
2021-05-01 03:46:28	Smasher	i like dkc more and i think its overall better regarded but idk
2021-05-01 03:46:31	@turb3	is there anything else we should do for this award
2021-05-01 03:46:37	Smasher	i just went with the one that got more votes
2021-05-01 03:46:40	Pitohui	Not that I can think of
2021-05-01 03:46:48	@_2257	yeah i also think dkc would probably beat smb2 if it were like a head to head
2021-05-01 03:46:58	@turb3	yeah same
2021-05-01 03:47:09	Smasher	should we consider adding dkc instead or nah
2021-05-01 03:47:11	@turb3	we can discuss that if you guys want lol.................
2021-05-01 03:47:14	@turb3	im really ambivalent
2021-05-01 03:47:24	Pitohui	I don't really think so
2021-05-01 03:47:39	Gabumon	if we do that, we might as well cut dk64 and put both in
2021-05-01 03:47:39	Pitohui	But, then, I'm not all that fond of the original DKC, so...
2021-05-01 03:47:40	Lakituthequick	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-05-01 03:47:53	NinjaSquid	i prefer dkc3 to dkc
2021-05-01 03:48:07	@turb3	i would honestly be fine with also cutting dk64 but you didnt hear that from me
2021-05-01 03:48:08	Gabumon	might shake up the mid-tier of the award some, who knows
2021-05-01 03:48:12	@turb3	yeah
2021-05-01 03:48:19	Smasher	im biased in favor of dkc1 but also i could see smb2 just doing better since it is a mario forum
2021-05-01 03:48:20	NinjaSquid	but i dunno if dkc3 is preferred
2021-05-01 03:48:21	Lakituthequick	Edo raises a good option
2021-05-01 03:48:26	Rose	I think SMB2 feels right because it completes the "trio" of original Mario games
2021-05-01 03:48:34	Smasher	rose has a point
2021-05-01 03:48:38	@_2257	i think dkc is probably my personal least favorite of the dkc snes games (although i still like it a lot)
2021-05-01 03:48:43	@turb3	same
2021-05-01 03:48:53	@_2257	but i don't know if that's a widely shared opinion
2021-05-01 03:48:53	@turb3	dkc2 is already on here and dkc1 has the highest write ins so
2021-05-01 03:49:05	@turb3	Swap out "Donkey Kong 64" for "Donkey Kong Country"?
2021-05-01 03:49:07	@turb3	y
2021-05-01 03:49:10	Smasher	dkc3 is generally seen as the weakest of the trio (though its still very good) so im not sure if id add it
2021-05-01 03:49:15	Gabumon	I think dkc3 has (or had) a reputation for being a contested sequel to some extent
2021-05-01 03:49:20	Rose	a
2021-05-01 03:49:21	Pitohui	a
2021-05-01 03:49:27	Gabumon	it might have changed in recent years but idk
2021-05-01 03:49:32	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-01 03:49:33	Gabumon	y
2021-05-01 03:49:33	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-01 03:49:34	@_2257	y
2021-05-01 03:49:40	@turb3	personally ive always had a very big soft spot for dkc3 but yeah
2021-05-01 03:49:48	Smasher	a
2021-05-01 03:49:53	Rose	I love dkc3 
2021-05-01 03:50:10	@turb3	public opinion of dk64 is finally going down it is our time to strike
2021-05-01 03:50:20	Rose	jeb
2021-05-01 03:50:27	Smasher	dk64 is my least favorite main dk platformer but im still shrug on getting rid of it
2021-05-01 03:50:32	Smasher	that said 5-0-3
2021-05-01 03:50:50	@turb3	i'll pass it
2021-05-01 03:50:59	@turb3	anything else or m30
2021-05-01 03:51:04	Gabumon	do we need to clarify which smb2 we're talking about?
2021-05-01 03:51:10	@turb3	ah thats a good point
2021-05-01 03:51:14	@turb3	umm
2021-05-01 03:51:16	Smasher	might as well
2021-05-01 03:51:23	@turb3	this would be USA i guess so i'll just slap USA on there
2021-05-01 03:51:30	@turb3	might need to update the doc in correspondence
2021-05-01 03:51:31	Smasher	Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)
2021-05-01 03:51:37	ReverseInput	Super Mario Bros 2 / USA
2021-05-01 03:51:40	@turb3	i will say that most people refer to jp SMB2 as lost levels in english so yeah
2021-05-01 03:51:43	ReverseInput	either of those works
2021-05-01 03:51:44	Pitohui	That's a good way to do it
2021-05-01 03:52:01	Lakituthequick	yeah tack on (USA)
2021-05-01 03:52:01	Pitohui	Er, Smasher's way, I should specify
2021-05-01 03:52:03	Gabumon	I think I prefer the brackets
2021-05-01 03:52:06	@_2257	i would still err on the side of being specific
2021-05-01 03:52:13	@turb3	yeah i went with the brackets
2021-05-01 03:52:18	Smasher	yeah ive never called jp smb2 smb2 but better safe than sorry
2021-05-01 03:52:19	@turb3	i'll move on to m30
2021-05-01 03:52:24	@turb3	Favorite Modern Game (Wii/DS and newer) (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario 3D Land, Super Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Super Mario 3D World  + Bowser's Fury, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World/Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World, Super Mario Odyssey, Donkey Kong Country:...
2021-05-01 03:52:25	@turb3	...Tropical Freeze, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Yoshi's Crafted World, Luigi's Mansion 3, Super Mario Maker 2)
2021-05-01 03:52:27	@turb3	so yeah, origami king
2021-05-01 03:52:37	@_2257	i think it was well received?
2021-05-01 03:52:38	Lakituthequick	14) Yoshi's Woolly World/Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World - 21 - 1.06%
2021-05-01 03:52:38	Lakituthequick	15) Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon - 19 - 0.96%
2021-05-01 03:52:38	Lakituthequick	16) Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle - 18 - 0.91%
2021-05-01 03:52:38	Lakituthequick	17) O. Mario & Luigi: Dream Team - 11 - 0.55%
2021-05-01 03:52:38	Lakituthequick	18) O. New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 10 - 0.50%
2021-05-01 03:52:38	Lakituthequick	18) Yoshi's Crafted World - 10 - 0.50%
2021-05-01 03:52:40	Smasher	origami king is the only new game that comes to mind
2021-05-01 03:52:48	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-01 03:52:59	NinjaSquid	poor Crafted World :(
2021-05-01 03:53:01	Lakituthequick	so kill YCW and add TOK
2021-05-01 03:53:02	Smasher	crafted world did worse than dream team F
2021-05-01 03:53:05	@_2257	some of these write ins are doing pretty well too
2021-05-01 03:53:09	Rose	Those are some pretty high scoring write ins
2021-05-01 03:53:12	Pitohui	At least we appreciate Crafted World, NS
2021-05-01 03:53:16	@turb3	im counting 17 on this so far
2021-05-01 03:53:23	NinjaSquid	indeed pitohui :)
2021-05-01 03:53:27	Rose	We could just add OK
2021-05-01 03:53:29	@turb3	but we can probably just kill YCW and add TOK + a writein
2021-05-01 03:53:33	@_2257	oh, crafted world lost
2021-05-01 03:53:35	Smasher	my first take is to cut crafted world, add tok and dream team
2021-05-01 03:53:38	@_2257	while being a nominee
2021-05-01 03:53:40	@_2257	sad
2021-05-01 03:53:41	Rose	Oh lol 
2021-05-01 03:53:44	NinjaSquid	is Luigi's Mansion 3 in there?
2021-05-01 03:53:46	Rose	I thought Crafted was write in
2021-05-01 03:53:48	Pitohui	Yeah, I'm with Smasher
2021-05-01 03:53:49	NinjaSquid	oh yes
2021-05-01 03:53:50	@turb3	yes its in there
2021-05-01 03:53:53	Smasher	yes
2021-05-01 03:53:57	Pitohui	It is, yeah
2021-05-01 03:54:01	Rose	I agree with Smasher too
2021-05-01 03:54:06	@turb3	i'm cutting crafted world and adding origami king without consensus I think
2021-05-01 03:54:14	@turb3	but the writein can be debated i guess
2021-05-01 03:54:15	Smasher	we could also discuss swapping mario and rabbids out with nsmbwii if we wanted to
2021-05-01 03:54:40	Smasher	yeah i feel like worse than a write in - auto cut and tok doesn't need to be discussed
2021-05-01 03:55:38	@turb3	so yeah
2021-05-01 03:55:40	Rose	I'm not feeling a Rabbids cut yet
2021-05-01 03:55:47	Pitohui	Same
2021-05-01 03:55:51	@_2257	i am
2021-05-01 03:56:00	@turb3	dark moon is close to rabbids so
2021-05-01 03:56:07	Smasher	im indifferent to that swap fwiw
2021-05-01 03:56:26	Smasher	though nsmbw is more of a major game i guess
2021-05-01 03:56:40	Gabumon	the top write in got more than half the votes of the option above it
2021-05-01 03:56:47	@turb3	yeah
2021-05-01 03:56:50	Gabumon	that's my quota for a swap-in met
2021-05-01 03:57:10	Smasher	yeah thats why i said i think its worth considering
2021-05-01 03:57:33	Smasher	i am voting in favor of adding dream team either way because we have room for one
2021-05-01 03:57:35	@turb3	i'm going to add dream team since that will put us at 18
2021-05-01 03:57:39	@turb3	as for rabbids
2021-05-01 03:57:42	Pitohui	Do add DT
2021-05-01 03:57:47	NinjaSquid	yes do
2021-05-01 03:57:54	@turb3	Swap out Mario + Rabbids for NSMBWii?
2021-05-01 03:57:55	NinjaSquid	DT is awesome!
2021-05-01 03:57:55	@turb3	y
2021-05-01 03:57:57	Pitohui	a
2021-05-01 03:57:58	Rose	a
2021-05-01 03:58:07	Gabumon	y
2021-05-01 03:58:07	@turb3	honestly dark moon is also an option here
2021-05-01 03:58:13	@turb3	instead of rabbids
2021-05-01 03:58:18	@_2257	y
2021-05-01 03:58:18	Lakituthequick	a
2021-05-01 03:58:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	a
2021-05-01 03:58:21	Rose	Either way I'm a
2021-05-01 03:58:39	NinjaSquid	a
2021-05-01 03:58:41	Smasher	hmmm y i think
2021-05-01 03:58:56	Smasher	i feel like nsmbw has more of a shot
2021-05-01 03:59:02	Smasher	4-0-5
2021-05-01 03:59:23	@turb3	if it means anything i would rather keep rabbids due to the uniqueness of the game compared to dark moon
2021-05-01 03:59:26	@turb3	but like
2021-05-01 03:59:30	@turb3	votes are still a thing
2021-05-01 03:59:39	@turb3	they're only 1 vote away from each other which is why i'm touching upon that
2021-05-01 03:59:48	Smasher	we could vote on which we'd rather keep of the two
2021-05-01 03:59:57	@turb3	rather than rabbids being like 15 and dark moon being 25 in which case i wouldn;t bat an eye
2021-05-01 03:59:59	@turb3	yeah
2021-05-01 04:00:03	Smasher	im more familiar with dm but rabbids does look more unique
2021-05-01 04:00:08	@_2257	like i agree that 1 vote is probably with within the threshold of statistical noise but like
2021-05-01 04:00:15	@turb3	i will be ending the meeting after that instead of dragging us kicking and screaming into fail regardless of our decision
2021-05-01 04:00:17	Lakituthequick	votes are more an advisory referendum than a definite rule
2021-05-01 04:00:23	@_2257	i dont really think rabbids is a better candidate than dm
2021-05-01 04:00:33	Gabumon	I don't feel comfortable with cutting an option that has more votes than another
2021-05-01 04:00:36	@turb3	valid
2021-05-01 04:00:38	Gabumon	outside of pressing circumstancesx
2021-05-01 04:00:39	Smasher	double checked and none of the other write ins were in striking distance so i would just replace one
2021-05-01 04:00:52	@turb3	well
2021-05-01 04:00:59	@turb3	if people miss rabbids enough i think the write ins will probably reflect that
2021-05-01 04:01:07	@turb3	and dark moon will also perish in the voting
2021-05-01 04:01:11	Gabumon	I guess a question you could ask is
2021-05-01 04:01:12	Smasher	i would probably still be in favor of just booting rabbids
2021-05-01 04:01:26	Gabumon	do you think rabbids will miraculously shoot upwards this year if we leave it in
2021-05-01 04:01:36	Smasher	not really
2021-05-01 04:01:37	@turb3	uh
2021-05-01 04:01:38	Gabumon	because I don't really think so
2021-05-01 04:01:39	@turb3	not really
2021-05-01 04:01:41	Rose	Depends on how many people Zelen has campaigned to 
2021-05-01 04:01:44	@turb3	i think i've heard of rabbids 2 floating around
2021-05-01 04:01:54	Smasher	i think whichever we keep will probably end up being on the chopping block next year LOL
2021-05-01 04:02:00	@turb3	but unless we call an emergency meeting before E3 if rabbids 2 gets announced then that's that
2021-05-01 04:02:04	@turb3	we'll just add rabbids 2 next year
2021-05-01 04:02:09	Gabumon	I think a luigis mansion game has probably more potential to do well
2021-05-01 04:02:11	@turb3	i cut rabbids for nsmbw just now
2021-05-01 04:02:19	@_2257	if rabbids 2 happens, it probably isn't going to be within 2 months anyway
2021-05-01 04:02:22	Gabumon	even if rabbids is a unique entry
2021-05-01 04:02:23	@turb3	yeah
2021-05-01 04:02:25	Smasher	id say thats the right call
2021-05-01 04:02:33	@turb3	well thanks for attending everyone
2021-05-01 04:02:40	@turb3	you can still talk in case there's anything i forgot
2021-05-01 04:02:43	Gabumon	unfortunately, the rabbids are kind of a blemish on that game that pulls it down in the public eye
2021-05-01 04:02:52	@turb3	i've been very hyped up on caffeine tonight and this isn't the official ending
2021-05-01 04:02:54	@turb3	and yeah i agree
2021-05-01 04:02:55	@turb3	like
2021-05-01 04:03:04	@turb3	i remember the whole thing was considered a joke because of the rabbids lmao
2021-05-01 04:03:08	Gabumon	even if the concept itself is cool
2021-05-01 04:03:09	Pitohui	We made it through just fine and on schedule, Turb, good work on your part
2021-05-01 04:03:15	@turb3	thanks sorry it was kind of a mess
2021-05-01 04:03:23	ReverseInput	no one believed it was real at first despite mounting evidence
2021-05-01 04:03:25	@turb3	i think the biggest takeaway probably is just the thing with uh, the discord/irc thing
2021-05-01 04:03:37	@turb3	also i need to make a forum thread for the luigi's mansion boss award more than likely
2021-05-01 04:03:40	@turb3	because i would like to revisit that
2021-05-01 04:03:46	Lakituthequick	I can easily see Discord working well
2021-05-01 04:03:56	Pitohui	Also, a question, in the future, could you link this IRC client in the meeting reminders, too? Because this is honestly so much better than the Wiki chat mibbit thing in terms of functioning
2021-05-01 04:04:09	@turb3	as a footnote i also want to revisit TPG's idea about paper mario art style splitting that he posted here https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43606/post-2264459
2021-05-01 04:04:16	@turb3	which will likely also be a forum thread that i force on people
2021-05-01 04:04:24	@turb3	yes I can arrange for that
2021-05-01 04:04:31	Pitohui	I think TPG's suggestion is a good one
2021-05-01 04:04:33	@turb3	i'll just ask anton to replace the current link with it
2021-05-01 04:04:37	Lakituthequick	yeah
2021-05-01 04:05:06	@turb3	i do think i see us moving the chat party to discord ultimatley but i think it doesn't hurt to test the waters in steve with a channel set up ASAP
2021-05-01 04:05:08	Lakituthequick	@ the pm thing
2021-05-01 04:05:17	NinjaSquid	i will hope it will be working for me next time
2021-05-01 04:05:29	NinjaSquid	:s
2021-05-01 04:05:29	Lakituthequick	ASAP but not overhasted
2021-05-01 04:05:35	Smasher	tpg's suggestion makes sense
2021-05-01 04:05:52	@turb3	yeah we dont need to rush but i do want to raise awareness early
2021-05-01 04:05:58	@turb3	and get perms/etc set up
2021-05-01 04:06:10	@turb3	anyway thanks everyone
2021-05-01 04:06:21	Lakituthequick	permissions are a thing yeah as you may want the core ac to have some sort of power
2021-05-01 04:06:21	@turb3	i will slap myself with a ruler later on to remind myself of these things
2021-05-01 04:06:21	Uniju_	anytime
2021-05-01 04:06:38	Lakituthequick	but also turb and anton both are already chat staff so maybe that's not needed
2021-05-01 04:07:05	Rose	I think being able to pin probably wouldn't hurt, if people are linking their tournament ops or something
2021-05-01 04:07:06	@turb3	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43781/ reminder that this still needs more votes before i finalize it; DK and Yoshi will be finalized on the list later
2021-05-01 04:07:15	Rose	Same thing as Shroom staff having pin perms in Shroom channel
2021-05-01 04:07:21	@turb3	why are pin perms fucking linked to deleting messages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2021-05-01 04:07:23	@turb3	!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2021-05-01 04:07:26	Rose	????
2021-05-01 04:07:28	@turb3	not that i think you guys would do that it just pisses me off
2021-05-01 04:07:29	Pitohui	So, not to steal your thunder, Turb, but I think the big takeaways have been - come up with something to replace M23, look into setting up the Discord Awards channel to test the waters, a Luigi's Mansion thread to clarify/rename that potentially, vote on Wario Music if people haven't already, and prepare for Fail Awards, yeah?
2021-05-01 04:07:30	Rose	Awful
2021-05-01 04:07:35	Lakituthequick	yeah that makes no sense turb
2021-05-01 04:07:42	@turb3	yes pitohui
2021-05-01 04:07:44	@turb3	thank you
2021-05-01 04:07:47	Rose	I don't even think we need to see the awards channel as testing the water
2021-05-01 04:07:51	@turb3	i needed someone to summarize that
2021-05-01 04:07:53	Rose	We just have an awards channel
2021-05-01 04:08:00	@turb3	yeah i think we should just Have it
2021-05-01 04:08:05	Rose	It's an important component of the community there's no reason not to
2021-05-01 04:08:21	Smasher	yeah just. throw it on there regardless
2021-05-01 04:08:24	@turb3	i do think it might be considered water testing for chat party but if there are a lot of Problems that come up in the setup then i'm _
2021-05-01 04:08:27	@turb3	hopefully not though
2021-05-01 04:08:42	@turb3	logger bot is something i'm only going to be really screaming about when the party happens
2021-05-01 04:08:46	Smasher	kind of weird that we dont have one already now that i think of it
2021-05-01 04:09:21	@turb3	anyway thanks again we'll resume with fail next week
2021-05-01 04:09:28	Lakituthequick	:clap:
2021-05-01 04:09:28	Pitohui	The Turb-Pitohui power team is going to generate buzz and activity for #awards and #the-shroom, let's make it happen, lessgooooo, to use the colloquial term
2021-05-01 04:09:36	@turb3	:clap:
2021-05-01 04:09:47	Smasher	:clap:
2021-05-01 04:09:51	@turb3	still planning on the youtube list for wario music so people have no excuse not to vote
2021-05-01 04:09:57	@turb3	ive been listening to greenhorn ruins for Two Hours
2021-05-01 04:10:01	Lakituthequick	note that #awards already exists so you need a different name unless you rename the old one
2021-05-01 04:10:05	Pitohui	I think I linked videos when I put my nominees in for that
2021-05-01 04:10:08	@turb3	could name that to awards staff
2021-05-01 04:10:12	Lakituthequick	yeah
2021-05-01 04:10:12	@turb3	i think i did too
2021-05-01 04:10:14	Smasher	i would honestly benefit greatly if you send me a youtube list
2021-05-01 04:10:18	Smasher	then i could definitely vote
2021-05-01 04:10:22	Rose	Thinking about how we have #shroom and #the-shroom
2021-05-01 04:10:26	@_2257	i still completely think there's no reason to have two separate echannels
2021-05-01 04:10:30	Rose	Why isn't the staff one #shroom-staff
2021-05-01 04:10:47	@turb3	im in kind of the same boat as 22 since we never really use the awards staff one
2021-05-01 04:10:50	Lakituthequick	because it isn't
2021-05-01 04:10:51	@turb3	like the meetings are public anyway
2021-05-01 04:10:52	Pitohui	Didn't we decide there's no need for an underground awards channel
2021-05-01 04:10:59	@_2257	i dunno, if you want it changed steve probably would
2021-05-01 04:11:02	Pitohui	So we could just have the one
2021-05-01 04:11:04	@turb3	there's no point to really having it be underground
2021-05-01 04:11:09	@_2257	i doubt anyone's attached to the current name, it's confusing
2021-05-01 04:11:17	Lakituthequick	there are <50 posts in that channel
2021-05-01 04:11:20	@turb3	anyone can see the logs of this and the actual staff discussion is more bureaucratic voting
2021-05-01 04:11:24	Lakituthequick	Over the last four years
2021-05-01 04:11:29	@turb3	which takes place on the forums for sanity
2021-05-01 04:12:08	Lakituthequick	alright time to cut some wood