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2021-05-09 01:59:27	--	Topic set by Anton{Politoed} (Mibbit@048-200-687-565.res.spectrum.com) on za, 17 apr 2021 01:10:22
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2021-05-09 01:59:51	@turb	might get up and get a drink at the beginning real quick
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2021-05-09 02:00:57	@Anton{Politoed}	hello hello hello
2021-05-09 02:01:18	@Anton{Politoed}	time to pause my video on how to remove an octopuses ink sack so we can talk about things like polls and stuff
2021-05-09 02:01:20	@Anton{Politoed}	exciting
2021-05-09 02:01:20	Lakituthequick	hello
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2021-05-09 02:01:57	Power_Flotzo	Hi
2021-05-09 02:02:05	Pitohui	Hello, hello
2021-05-09 02:02:24	meowth	💃
2021-05-09 02:02:27	Rose	💃
2021-05-09 02:02:47	@Anton{Politoed}	alright so a few things before we crack into the Fail Awards
2021-05-09 02:03:01	@Anton{Politoed}	*Tournament topic
2021-05-09 02:03:02	@Anton{Politoed}	*Discord
2021-05-09 02:03:06	@Anton{Politoed}	*M24 Luigi’s Mansion Boss
2021-05-09 02:03:11	@Anton{Politoed}	*Wario award, DK/Yoshi
2021-05-09 02:03:18	@Anton{Politoed}	*New award ideas
2021-05-09 02:03:22	@Anton{Politoed}	*Fail Awards
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2021-05-09 02:05:16	NinjaSquid	hello
2021-05-09 02:05:17	Lakituthequick	heh
2021-05-09 02:05:21	tpggaming2	what now
2021-05-09 02:05:31	@Anton{Politoed}	alright gr8
2021-05-09 02:05:35	NinjaSquid	huh it's working this time lol
2021-05-09 02:05:46	@turb	:clap:
2021-05-09 02:06:25	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43827/
2021-05-09 02:06:36	@Anton{Politoed}	due to request, I created a tournament thread to help visualize what's going on
2021-05-09 02:06:55	@Anton{Politoed}	currently it's kinda bare, so if anyone has a tournament they want me to throw in there, go ahead and give it to me now or post it in there
2021-05-09 02:07:35	@Anton{Politoed}	otherwise if anyone has any other tips or tricks to include in that opening post, go right ahead and share as I'm not in a position to know what information is helpful as any tournament I tend to crank out is reviewed by, well, me
2021-05-09 02:08:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think we could defiitely use something about the emphasis of being able to commit BEFORE you host
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2021-05-09 02:08:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	so that we can at least try to avoid something like
2021-05-09 02:08:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	"well i might do this tournament but i might have to abruptly cancel it midway, idk yet"
2021-05-09 02:08:46	@turb	uniju are you putting minecraft games in the tournament thread
2021-05-09 02:08:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	(kirbyo)
2021-05-09 02:09:40	Uniju	i have put 0 thoguht whatsoever into mc games other than that there hasnt been any mc games for several years
2021-05-09 02:10:00	@Anton{Politoed}	Lakituthequick: you're doing kg right
2021-05-09 02:10:09	Lakituthequick	Yes
2021-05-09 02:10:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	mc games 2019 in 2021 :cashmoney:
2021-05-09 02:10:35	Lakituthequick	I have more announcements soon
2021-05-09 02:10:38	Uniju	however even if no one did any work whatsoever  we would have more than enough functional games to run an mc games event(murderer, pl, spleef, shine, 22 is in the process of redoing hunger games i think, uh, sheep derby)
2021-05-09 02:10:55	Uniju	idk what the other important people involved have been up to so i wouldnt want to announce something myself though
2021-05-09 02:11:07	Rose	I briefly thought about the idea of having a FNF tournament but I never sorted out how it would actually function, so if I do figure it out At Some Point you have that to look forward to
2021-05-09 02:11:11	Pitohui	Small thought. I know there's some examples on the Anniversary page, but it might be good to put some examples of past Tournaments (Smash, Pokemon, Minecraft Games, Mario Kart, Mafia/KG) in the OP of that thread, so some of the newer users have some ideas of what kind of tournaments they can think about running
2021-05-09 02:11:40	Power_Flotzo	Desu (this)
2021-05-09 02:11:45	meowth	i think that might be a good idea
2021-05-09 02:11:51	@Anton{Politoed}	also just as general housekeeping, and not to cast light on or point fingers since that's not the tone
2021-05-09 02:12:11	@Anton{Politoed}	it's much easier for me to include information that people are talking about, such as links to things, if I have that information given
2021-05-09 02:12:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43826/#post-2270283
2021-05-09 02:12:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	the example i was referring to
2021-05-09 02:13:10	@Anton{Politoed}	but gr8 i'll start plugging more things in later
2021-05-09 02:13:27	Rose	Oh FNF stands for Friday Night Funkin', for anybody in meeting who might not know, online rhythm game that recently blew up
2021-05-09 02:13:32	@Anton{Politoed}	as to not spend unnecessary time on it here, please post tournament ideas in that thread or PM me so I can document and help advertise them
2021-05-09 02:14:30	tpggaming2	i think goombuigi said he wanted to do a smm2 contest or an art contest 
2021-05-09 02:14:31	tpggaming2	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43606/#post-2269381
2021-05-09 02:16:46	@Anton{Politoed}	next subject is Discord
2021-05-09 02:16:50	@Anton{Politoed}	well, something happened!
2021-05-09 02:17:06	Power_Flotzo	New channel?
2021-05-09 02:17:23	@Anton{Politoed}	there's now a mario awards channel in the official discord server
2021-05-09 02:17:28	@Anton{Politoed}	to be used for....things!
2021-05-09 02:17:40	meowth	🎉
2021-05-09 02:17:46	@Anton{Politoed}	steve made it after we said some stuff and that's about all I got
2021-05-09 02:17:58	@Anton{Politoed}	it won't be used for meetings this year, although it is possible
2021-05-09 02:18:17	@Anton{Politoed}	but my intention here is to use it for the chat party thing during the ceremony as well as advertise things from now until then
2021-05-09 02:18:23	meowth	it is getting usage at least!
2021-05-09 02:18:40	@Anton{Politoed}	it can also serve as a point of contact between ac staff and other peeps, as well as tournament hosts and other peeps
2021-05-09 02:18:50	@Anton{Politoed}	and just general discussion of polls and info
2021-05-09 02:18:55	@Anton{Politoed}	have at it
2021-05-09 02:19:41	@Anton{Politoed}	*M24 Luigi’s Mansion Boss
2021-05-09 02:19:59	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43809/
2021-05-09 02:20:11	@Anton{Politoed}	so, something was talked about M24 last meeting that I missed, but from what I'm getting is
2021-05-09 02:20:17	@Anton{Politoed}	it was talked about being changed or removed
2021-05-09 02:20:25	@Anton{Politoed}	and then it steered towards not doing that
2021-05-09 02:20:59	Pitohui	That's where I am with it, and how it looks to me in general, yeah.
2021-05-09 02:21:11	@Anton{Politoed}	not seeing any counterarguments against the "don't change anything or remove the award" so unless someone suddenly has something new to add that's how I'm going to conclude that thread
2021-05-09 02:21:28	@Anton{Politoed}	but w8, there's more
2021-05-09 02:21:34	@Anton{Politoed}	I want to remove it!
2021-05-09 02:21:35	meowth	ultimately ive decided i don't feel strongly either way
2021-05-09 02:21:49	meowth	oh!
2021-05-09 02:22:02	@Anton{Politoed}	because of the other topic we have covering tonight
2021-05-09 02:22:02	@Anton{Politoed}	*New award
2021-05-09 02:22:07	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/
2021-05-09 02:22:12	@Anton{Politoed}	we've got quite a few new award ideas
2021-05-09 02:22:16	meowth	ah, right
2021-05-09 02:22:28	@Anton{Politoed}	with seemingly only M23 Favorite Capture getting the boot for an opening
2021-05-09 02:22:58	@Anton{Politoed}	M24 Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss could be another newly open slot should there be two new awards that are viable
2021-05-09 02:23:21	@Anton{Politoed}	as for Mario Awards, there is:
2021-05-09 02:23:37	@Anton{Politoed}	Favorite Game Mechanic, a mirror of a current Fail Award
2021-05-09 02:23:55	@Anton{Politoed}	Favorite Merchandise
2021-05-09 02:24:22	@Anton{Politoed}	Favorite Shameless Cash-grab, name pending, but I'm personally feeling could be a fail variant
2021-05-09 02:24:47	@turb	i think the committee is probably cynical enough for that but idk about the voterbase
2021-05-09 02:24:51	@Anton{Politoed}	and Favorite Mario Party Board, a mirror of a Fail Award that was last seen in 2015
2021-05-09 02:24:51	NinjaSquid	i like the favorite game mechanic idea
2021-05-09 02:25:01	Pitohui	I agree Favorite Shameless Cash-grab is a good aware but as a *Fail* Award
2021-05-09 02:25:18	meowth	i like mechanic and merchandise
2021-05-09 02:25:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think favorite merch and favorite mario party board would be my picks for mario
2021-05-09 02:25:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	with shameless cash grab being flipped into fai
2021-05-09 02:26:01	@Anton{Politoed}	we could also scrounge up a 3rd mario award to remove
2021-05-09 02:26:12	meowth	i don't have any strong feelings about party board and i agree about cash grab working better as fail
2021-05-09 02:26:31	@Anton{Politoed}	on a quick look there's no real weak links except for maybe favorite battle course
2021-05-09 02:26:32	Rose	My preference as of what's established in thread is merch and mechanic 
2021-05-09 02:26:47	@Anton{Politoed}	I could check historical results to see if there's stagnation
2021-05-09 02:27:00	@turb	i feel like battle course is kind of in a weird spot of relevancy
2021-05-09 02:27:10	@turb	8 deluxe is still selling but clearly nintendo only cares about tour now
2021-05-09 02:27:11	Pitohui	Yeah, I was going to say Favorite Battle Course feels a little weak
2021-05-09 02:27:29	Pitohui	The top three have been fairly consistent and it's been years since we've had a new battle course
2021-05-09 02:27:34	@turb	i don't have an opinion on mario party board either way but i would personally be like
2021-05-09 02:27:41	@turb	in favor of killing battle course and adding that one
2021-05-09 02:27:42	meowth	im going to be honest i completely forgot battle course was even an award
2021-05-09 02:27:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd be okay with lopping out battle course for mario party board
2021-05-09 02:27:45	Pitohui	(As a result of it being years since we had a non-gacha Mario Kart)
2021-05-09 02:27:48	@turb	and figuring out a fail award to axe so we can put in cash grab
2021-05-09 02:27:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	because yeah it's been a LONG time
2021-05-09 02:27:52	@_2257	i dont think favorite battle course is relevant at all just because an old game is still selling honestly
2021-05-09 02:27:57	@turb	possibly retooling missed opportunity so i don't feel like death
2021-05-09 02:27:59	@turb	yeah i agree
2021-05-09 02:28:01	@_2257	although im not sure mario party board is more relevant
2021-05-09 02:28:06	@turb	it kind of is
2021-05-09 02:28:12	@turb	super mario party just got online
2021-05-09 02:28:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	mario party board might not be as relevant but it's also New
2021-05-09 02:28:19	Pitohui	I think I'd be down for killing Capture and Battle Course for Merch and Mechanic
2021-05-09 02:28:21	@turb	albeit its like the mario party with the least boards or something
2021-05-09 02:28:29	@Anton{Politoed}	battle course results have been consistent its entire lifespan since 2017
2021-05-09 02:28:35	@Anton{Politoed}	and yeah the angle isn't more relevant, but Different
2021-05-09 02:28:38	@_2257	oh i forgot they updated smp lol
2021-05-09 02:28:50	@turb	personally i would feel more comfortable with killing that one thn luigis mansion boss but also i would not cry especially if that one were gone
2021-05-09 02:28:51	@_2257	weird thing for them to do
2021-05-09 02:28:51	meowth	ok then yes, i support killing battle course
2021-05-09 02:29:11	@Anton{Politoed}	although the future-sighted conservative in me wants to hold on to one of these new award ideas for down the road
2021-05-09 02:29:17	@Anton{Politoed}	but that's just me being a hoarder
2021-05-09 02:29:40	@Anton{Politoed}	so how about
2021-05-09 02:29:48	meowth	i still feel not strongly about luigis mansion but if we were to just kill one more i think it's better than bc
2021-05-09 02:29:59	meowth	though if we kill both it won't affect me much either
2021-05-09 02:30:04	@Anton{Politoed}	I'll just highlight battle course on the full list as something to watch, and we can develop all of the new award ideas to completion
2021-05-09 02:30:18	@Anton{Politoed}	and then just plug them in as we knock old ones off later with individual vote decisions
2021-05-09 02:30:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	that works for me
2021-05-09 02:30:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	and then we can destroy as needed
2021-05-09 02:30:38	meowth	sounds good to me
2021-05-09 02:31:01	BBQ-Turtle	I still think it might be worth hanging on to Luigi's Mansion boss for this year as we would be adding in the write-in votes so that should shake things up a little, plus it's only run one year I think.
2021-05-09 02:31:09	Pitohui	Per BBQ on Luigi's Mansion
2021-05-09 02:31:32	@turb	yeah im fine with that
2021-05-09 02:32:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd say mark both LM boss and battle course as first priority for elimination and we can discuss which to pull the triggers on when we have these awards better worked out
2021-05-09 02:32:15	@turb	@ both bbq and anton's way of going through it incidentally
2021-05-09 02:32:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	rather than definitely kill LM right now
2021-05-09 02:32:19	@Anton{Politoed}	it has only been one year yeah
2021-05-09 02:32:30	@turb	capture is definitely being axed right
2021-05-09 02:32:31	meowth	i agree with perch
2021-05-09 02:32:33	@Anton{Politoed}	but yeah, develop all new award ideas, then pit them against current awards to see what we want
2021-05-09 02:32:39	@turb	so one of the award ideas is getting in no matter what
2021-05-09 02:32:40	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah I'm just gonna say capture is gone
2021-05-09 02:32:40	meowth	capture is ⚰
2021-05-09 02:32:50	@Anton{Politoed}	no one has really voiced keeping it
2021-05-09 02:32:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	i have no problem with booking capture as definitely dead right now
2021-05-09 02:32:57	Pitohui	Kill Capture
2021-05-09 02:32:57	meowth	don't feel a need to keep that one any longer
2021-05-09 02:33:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	lm has actual "we should keep this" support so
2021-05-09 02:33:07	NinjaSquid	i wouldn't mind removing luigi's mansion boss
2021-05-09 02:33:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	we don't need to kill it Right This Mknute
2021-05-09 02:33:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	but capture has no support 
2021-05-09 02:33:17	NinjaSquid	but I agree with removing capture
2021-05-09 02:33:37	@Anton{Politoed}	edo's idea here https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2270683  I would like to develop as a fail award rework, but I'll get to that later
2021-05-09 02:34:00	@Anton{Politoed}	next topic
2021-05-09 02:34:01	@Anton{Politoed}	*Wario award, DK/Yoshi
2021-05-09 02:34:21	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43781/#post-2270696
2021-05-09 02:34:38	@Anton{Politoed}	edo's point here, while I can't personally verify, seems uncontested and thus valid
2021-05-09 02:34:54	@Anton{Politoed}	for sake of public logging
2021-05-09 02:34:55	Pitohui	I actually don't know I agree with the case made there
2021-05-09 02:35:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd like to know the commonality of the scenario where you get lots of write-ins like that, honestly
2021-05-09 02:35:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	like, is that a regular thing for obscure awards?
2021-05-09 02:35:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	becaus that changes my opinion but that's not info i have
2021-05-09 02:35:38	@Anton{Politoed}	tl;dr wario instrumental music alone is weak and lacking participation and could be seen as a non-starter, and should instead be generalized as all music
2021-05-09 02:35:50	Rose	I don't know if the write-ins are necessarily like that, but I do absolutely believe that Edo has a point about Wario music iconography 
2021-05-09 02:35:56	Pitohui	I feel like Wario as an Award in general - game/music/character whatever is just... going to draw less attention than other Awards because the Wario serie(s) do
2021-05-09 02:35:59	Rose	Which is centered around lyrical songs mostly
2021-05-09 02:36:00	@turb	i remember it happening sometimes
2021-05-09 02:36:10	@turb	that people will just write in fucking whatever
2021-05-09 02:36:14	@turb	for an award they don't know
2021-05-09 02:36:16	@turb	instead of skipping
2021-05-09 02:36:18	@Anton{Politoed}	with my proposal to solve that being making the dk/yoshi/wario awards just all their music instead of just instrumental, stripping the other ones down into just mario instrumental and mario lysical
2021-05-09 02:36:26	meowth	smasher's dialup kong
2021-05-09 02:36:28	@turb	albeit i will say that a lot of awards just get junk votes by virtue of them being on the very accessible main page
2021-05-09 02:36:31	@Anton{Politoed}	then next year when we rotate dk/wario/yoshi again, all the songs go back home
2021-05-09 02:36:51	@turb	even ones where theoretically everyone who goes on the wiki should know the options
2021-05-09 02:37:15	@Anton{Politoed}	as it's edo's idea I feel like he can present it better than I
2021-05-09 02:37:41	@Anton{Politoed}	so I'm not gonna try to render a decision on that RIGHT NOW, but I'd like to either by the end of the night or soon so we can generate nominees
2021-05-09 02:37:56	Honoka_Chaosaka	for reference, that would leave 9 nominees on lyrical song
2021-05-09 02:37:57	BBQ-Turtle	My only concern with doing that would be that there's the disruption from shifting things around, you'd struggle to be able to track the votes over the years I think, and it'd be harder to know what to chop for being a low-performing nominee.
2021-05-09 02:37:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	of the current ones
2021-05-09 02:38:13	Pitohui	Oh, so, like, next year we'd move the DK/Yoshi/Wario lyrical songs back to one combined Favorite Lyrical song when those three rotate, with your idea, Anton?
2021-05-09 02:38:20	@Anton{Politoed}	yes
2021-05-09 02:38:43	@Anton{Politoed}	an alternative is just leaving them in now as well
2021-05-09 02:38:52	@Anton{Politoed}	but I'm personally not a big fan of overlap if it can be helped
2021-05-09 02:39:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah the one thing i'm not going to support at all is overlap
2021-05-09 02:39:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	either we have instrumental awards and an all-inclusive lyrical
2021-05-09 02:39:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	or we have all-inclusive subseries and a mario lyrical
2021-05-09 02:39:20	Pitohui	Yeah, overlap is best avoided here
2021-05-09 02:39:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	i refuse to support overlap
2021-05-09 02:39:25	@turb	agree with that
2021-05-09 02:39:34	meowth	one or the other
2021-05-09 02:39:52	Rose	In this instance I'm actually okay with overlap but I seem to be of minority opinion so
2021-05-09 02:40:04	@Anton{Politoed}	is there anyone who just flat doesn't support my resolution to this
2021-05-09 02:40:12	@Anton{Politoed}	I feel we can address bbq's concerns as we come upon them
2021-05-09 02:40:23	@Anton{Politoed}	 9 nominees on lyrical song is something we can develop further
2021-05-09 02:40:33	@Anton{Politoed}	or, honestly, leave, as the minimum is 5
2021-05-09 02:40:56	NinjaSquid	i'm fine with that
2021-05-09 02:40:56	Pitohui	I don't really think it's something that needs to be changed - I think the Wario Instumental Poll would be fine - but I don't oppose your resolution. It'd work.
2021-05-09 02:41:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	same boat as pitohui
2021-05-09 02:41:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	i like how yoshi literally will not change one bit :hutaowobble:
2021-05-09 02:41:53	Rose	Are you saying that the Yoshi singing from Yoshi's Story isn't lyrical 
2021-05-09 02:41:55	Lakituthequick	same concerns as bbq but not mortally opposed
2021-05-09 02:42:17	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so we'll hammer this out on the forum then
2021-05-09 02:42:30	Lakituthequick	though without overlap it's less disruptive
2021-05-09 02:42:31	@Anton{Politoed}	if we do this, rather than creating wholeass new polls, I'm going to instead not do that because that's annoying
2021-05-09 02:42:51	@Anton{Politoed}	and what we'd do is just merge the lyrical ones in, cutting off weaker and lower scoring instrumental awards as necessary
2021-05-09 02:42:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah just import nomienees from lyrical and chop off the bottom of the instrumental poll results
2021-05-09 02:42:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah
2021-05-09 02:43:00	@Anton{Politoed}	until we all come to some kinda "ehhh this looks good" agreement
2021-05-09 02:43:21	meowth	im fine either way with this one so yeah
2021-05-09 02:43:35	@turb	seems fine
2021-05-09 02:43:49	@turb	that reminds me i forgot to add the extra dk nominees to the full list
2021-05-09 02:43:54	@turb	and yoshi
2021-05-09 02:44:06	@turb	i brought that up but then it slipped my mind because i fell into a coma instantly or something
2021-05-09 02:44:12	@turb	let me go get those
2021-05-09 02:44:14	@Anton{Politoed}	I'll generate nominee lists Eventually, and then we'll go over how they look and change as necessary
2021-05-09 02:44:21	@Anton{Politoed}	something hopefully to be complete by next meeting
2021-05-09 02:44:36	@Anton{Politoed}	which I will not be in attendance for due to being at work
2021-05-09 02:44:43	@turb	DK Extra Instrumental Nominee - Frantic Factory (Donkey Kong 64)
2021-05-09 02:45:06	@Anton{Politoed}	put that in my notes
2021-05-09 02:45:23	@Anton{Politoed}	anyways before we start with Fail awards, are there any concerns about any of these other topics, or anything else to bring up?
2021-05-09 02:45:59	Pitohui	I don't have any major comments or concerns at this point, no.
2021-05-09 02:46:06	meowth	im ready to fail
2021-05-09 02:46:18	Lakituthequick	i am already a failure
2021-05-09 02:46:22	Power_Flotzo	No, nein, and nyet.
2021-05-09 02:46:25	meowth	mood
2021-05-09 02:46:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	none from me
2021-05-09 02:46:38	@turb	The Riddle (Yoshi's Story), Special Area (Yoshi's Crafted World), Vs. Mega Baby Bowser (Yoshi's Woolly World)
2021-05-09 02:46:42	@turb	im good now that thats off my back
2021-05-09 02:47:08	NinjaSquid	nothing here
2021-05-09 02:47:09	Rose	Oh wait can I mention Forest Interlude from DKC2 for DK Music real quick
2021-05-09 02:47:15	Rose	Or has that already been considered
2021-05-09 02:47:32	@Anton{Politoed}	i'll put it in my notes
2021-05-09 02:48:00	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8888888888888888888888888
2021-05-09 02:48:03	@Anton{Politoed}	F1 Worst Character (Mario, Princess Daisy, Waluigi, Wario, Petey Piranha, Birdo, Mimi, Starlow, Lubba, Bowser Jr., Toad, Fawful, Pink Gold Peach, Baby Rosalina, Kersti, Rosalina, Spewart)
2021-05-09 02:48:17	Lakituthequick	15) Wario - 30 - 1.53%
2021-05-09 02:48:17	Lakituthequick	16) Mario - 29 - 1.48%
2021-05-09 02:48:17	Lakituthequick	17) Rosalina - 23 - 1.18%
2021-05-09 02:48:17	Lakituthequick	18) O. Princess Peach - 6 - 0.31%
2021-05-09 02:48:17	Lakituthequick	19) O. Baby Peach - 4 - 0.20%
2021-05-09 02:48:17	Lakituthequick	19) O. Kamek - 4 - 0.20%
2021-05-09 02:48:26	meowth	forgot mario was a nominee lmao
2021-05-09 02:48:30	@_2257	is anyone from tok hated
2021-05-09 02:48:33	@Anton{Politoed}	all 29 mario votes were me
2021-05-09 02:48:34	Rose	Not the Kamek votes
2021-05-09 02:48:46	Rose	Do we have any variant character from Tour to be mad about
2021-05-09 02:48:58	Pitohui	I can't think of anyone from TOK people would/do particularly hate
2021-05-09 02:48:59	Lakituthequick	I am yet to encounter a non-likable TOK character
2021-05-09 02:49:34	@Anton{Politoed}	we need nintendo to make another shitty game so we can disrupt the worst character top 3 equilibrium
2021-05-09 02:49:35	Lakituthequick	Heck, there are plenty of Toads but all have cute quips
2021-05-09 02:49:46	@turb	forcibly remove pink gold peach to upset people
2021-05-09 02:50:08	meowth	i don't think the costumes in tour are super cared about but i can't think of any that are super awful or anything
2021-05-09 02:50:31	Rose	They didn't add Extra Noncanon Fuck You Baby Rosalina to the game yet?
2021-05-09 02:50:38	Pitohui	Nobody in BF would be particularly hated, either
2021-05-09 02:50:40	BBQ-Turtle	If anything, I'd guess people would be annoyed with Mario and Peach for getting so many each.
2021-05-09 02:50:56	meowth	idk if i have any reason to change this award but im happy wario is very low
2021-05-09 02:50:56	@Anton{Politoed}	we coooooooooooould fit peach on, but
2021-05-09 02:51:01	@Anton{Politoed}	i don't think it's necessary
2021-05-09 02:51:10	@Anton{Politoed}	and also I don't want to
2021-05-09 02:51:11	meowth	ehhhh
2021-05-09 02:51:17	@turb	i like peach so we shouldnt
2021-05-09 02:51:21	@turb	qed
2021-05-09 02:51:24	meowth	she's not high enough for me to want to
2021-05-09 02:51:28	@Anton{Politoed}	i agree
2021-05-09 02:51:30	BBQ-Turtle	No, neither do I, that's just the only thing I thought that might be slightly relevant to Tour.
2021-05-09 02:51:32	Pitohui	Peach's votes don't strike maas high enough
2021-05-09 02:51:36	Pitohui	*me as high enough
2021-05-09 02:51:45	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so no changes
2021-05-09 02:51:50	meowth	id probably support removing rosalina before adding her lol
2021-05-09 02:51:56	NinjaSquid	can't think of anything else for this poll
2021-05-09 02:51:59	@Anton{Politoed}	F2 Worst 2D Level (The Very Loooooong Cave (SMW2:YI), Tubular (SMW), World 8-3 (SMB), Endless World of Yoshis (SMW2:YI), World 9-7 (NSMBW), Lakitu's Wall (SMW2:YI), Mine Cart Madness (DKC), World 8-Bowser's Castle (SMB3), Stampede Sprint (DKC3), World 8-1 (SMB), World 4-2 (SMB2), World 7-8 (SMB3), The Big Board (WL4), Pendulum Castle (NSMBU), 
2021-05-09 02:52:00	@Anton{Politoed}	Doodle Woods (WL4), World 7-4 (SMB), World 3-5 (SMB3), World 6-4 (SMB3))
2021-05-09 02:52:00	meowth	but overall i don't want to do that either
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	16) World 7-8 (SMB3) - 19 - 1.37%
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	17) World 3-5 (SMB3) - 17 - 1.23%
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	18) World 6-4 (SMB3) - 13 - 0.94%
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	19) O. World C-3 (SMB:TLL) - 9 - 0.65%
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	20) O. Fire Bar Sprint (NSLU) - 5 - 0.36%
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	21) O. Ludwig's Clockwork Castle (NSMBU) - 3 - 0.22%
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	21) O. Poochy Ain't Stupid (SMW2:YI) - 3 - 0.22%
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	21) O. World 4-4 (NSMBW) - 3 - 0.22%
2021-05-09 02:52:03	Lakituthequick	21) O. World 8-4 (SMB) - 3 - 0.22%
2021-05-09 02:52:34	meowth	i cannot tell you what a single one of these are except the poochy one
2021-05-09 02:52:49	Rose	Wow, I'm genuinely surprised we don't already have Poochy Ain't Stupid on here from how much people talk about that level
2021-05-09 02:52:55	@turb	whatever world c-3 is i think we should switch it out with 6-4 smb3
2021-05-09 02:52:56	Pitohui	Hmm, World C-3 swap for World 6-4 seems viable
2021-05-09 02:53:03	meowth	6-4 and c-3 are close enough where a swap is good
2021-05-09 02:53:09	@Anton{Politoed}	the fact that enough people knew what world c-3 smb:tll was to get that much votes says to me we should add it
2021-05-09 02:53:11	Lakituthequick	I forgot if YI is on NSO
2021-05-09 02:53:11	Rose	Isn't C-3 the stupid spring one with the wind
2021-05-09 02:53:13	NinjaSquid	extra 5 from yoshi's island should be in there
2021-05-09 02:53:13	@Anton{Politoed}	maybe even fire bar sprint, too
2021-05-09 02:53:17	Lakituthequick	I should play it
2021-05-09 02:53:31	Pitohui	(Did people rediscover the lost levels suddenly? Where did you people writing this in come from?)
2021-05-09 02:53:33	meowth	yi has been on nso since the snes app launched yeah
2021-05-09 02:54:05	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Swap out "World 6-4 (SMB3)" for World C-3 (SMB:TLL)"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-09 02:54:06	@Anton{Politoed}	y
2021-05-09 02:54:09	@turb	y
2021-05-09 02:54:11	Rose	Y
2021-05-09 02:54:13	NinjaSquid	a
2021-05-09 02:54:15	Lakituthequick	https://www.mariowiki.com/World_C-3
2021-05-09 02:54:16	meowth	y
2021-05-09 02:54:18	Power_Flotzo	y
2021-05-09 02:54:20	Pitohui	y
2021-05-09 02:54:22	BBQ-Turtle	y
2021-05-09 02:54:24	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-09 02:54:31	Rose	Haha I was right
2021-05-09 02:54:34	meowth	8-0-1
2021-05-09 02:54:36	meowth	👏
2021-05-09 02:54:40	@_2257	c-4 is worse honestly
2021-05-09 02:54:42	@_2257	a
2021-05-09 02:54:43	NinjaSquid	hang on
2021-05-09 02:54:47	NinjaSquid	change a to y
2021-05-09 02:54:55	NinjaSquid	6-4 from SMB3 isn't bad enough to be there
2021-05-09 02:55:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-05-09 02:55:17	meowth	10-0-1
2021-05-09 02:55:32	Rose	Part of me wonders if the SMB3 ones are so low because nobody can be assed to remember what numbers correspond to what levels in that game
2021-05-09 02:55:46	meowth	:idfugit:
2021-05-09 02:55:47	@Anton{Politoed}	valid
2021-05-09 02:56:18	Lakituthequick	I'm glad they name things nowadays
2021-05-09 02:56:21	@Anton{Politoed}	but some of the generic name world ones are placed high and scattered in the middle, too
2021-05-09 02:56:45	@Anton{Politoed}	quite literally just the smb3 ones that tanked
2021-05-09 02:57:03	@Anton{Politoed}	so
2021-05-09 02:57:06	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Swap out "World 3-5 (SMB3)" for "Fire Bar Sprint (NSLU)"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-09 02:57:12	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-09 02:57:14	Rose	y
2021-05-09 02:57:15	Pitohui	n
2021-05-09 02:57:22	meowth	a
2021-05-09 02:57:26	BBQ-Turtle	a
2021-05-09 02:57:35	Power_Flotzo	a
2021-05-09 02:57:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	a
2021-05-09 02:57:44	meowth	viable but not as close as the other one so it's a shrug from me
2021-05-09 02:57:53	@_2257	a
2021-05-09 02:57:56	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-09 02:57:57	@Anton{Politoed}	y
2021-05-09 02:58:00	meowth	4-1-5
2021-05-09 02:58:06	@turb	y
2021-05-09 02:58:12	meowth	5-1-5
2021-05-09 02:58:51	@Anton{Politoed}	I think that's about it for this award otherwise
2021-05-09 02:59:01	Rose	Brb gotta get my taquitos
2021-05-09 02:59:08	meowth	i think ill change to y since i do think the change makes snes
2021-05-09 02:59:10	meowth	sense
2021-05-09 02:59:31	@Anton{Politoed}	F3 Worst 3D Level (Corona Mountain (SMS), The Toxic Waterfall/Lily Pad Ride (SMS), Pachinko Game (SMS), Stone Cyclone Galaxy (SMG2), Wing Mario Over the Rainbow/Over the Rainbows (SM64), Sling Pod Galaxy (SMG), Rolling Gizmo Galaxy (SMG), Boss Blitz Galaxy (SMG2), Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG), Bubble Breeze Galaxy (SMG), World 1-1 (SM3DL),
2021-05-09 02:59:31	@Anton{Politoed}	Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW), Fuzzy Time Mine (SM3DW), Champion's Road (SM3DW), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Luncheon Kingdom (SMO), Dark Side (SMO), Darker Side (SMO))
2021-05-09 02:59:56	Lakituthequick	16) Bubble Breeze Galaxy (SMG) - 33 - 1.96%
2021-05-09 02:59:56	Lakituthequick	17) Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW) - 25 - 1.48%
2021-05-09 02:59:56	Lakituthequick	18) Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG) - 20 - 1.19%
2021-05-09 02:59:56	Lakituthequick	19) O. Cloud Kingdom (SMO) - 5 - 0.30%
2021-05-09 02:59:56	Lakituthequick	19) O. Rainbow Ride (SM64) - 5 - 0.30%
2021-05-09 02:59:56	Lakituthequick	21) O. Battle Belt Galaxy (SMG2) - 3 - 0.18%
2021-05-09 02:59:56	Lakituthequick	21) O. Loopdeeswoop Galaxy (SMG) - 3 - 0.18%
2021-05-09 03:00:07	Lakituthequick	eh
2021-05-09 03:00:14	@turb	eh
2021-05-09 03:00:17	@Anton{Politoed}	I was all 38 luncheon kingdom votes
2021-05-09 03:00:17	meowth	eh
2021-05-09 03:00:32	NinjaSquid	anything bad in BF?
2021-05-09 03:00:33	@turb	me too tbh
2021-05-09 03:00:41	@turb	i think i voted for that and not even lik lily pad ride
2021-05-09 03:00:47	Pitohui	I didn't think there was anything that bad in BF
2021-05-09 03:00:50	Lakituthequick	BF is just one level unless you want to subdivide them
2021-05-09 03:00:56	meowth	nothing really worth nominating
2021-05-09 03:01:04	Lakituthequick	them = the named islands
2021-05-09 03:01:30	Pitohui	Hopefully the existence of 3D All Stars does one good thing and shakes this Award up a little with a new generation picking up the older 3D titles
2021-05-09 03:01:53	Lakituthequick	tl notes I haven't played BF
2021-05-09 03:02:10	meowth	i don't think gold leaf is that bad and find both the 5 votes worse but i also dont have a strong opinion about switching it out
2021-05-09 03:02:55	@Anton{Politoed}	I find it hard to argue for cloud kingdom as a bad 3d level on the same scale as ruined kingdom because like
2021-05-09 03:03:03	@Anton{Politoed}	it at least presented itself as just a boss level stage
2021-05-09 03:03:07	@Anton{Politoed}	with no other potential
2021-05-09 03:03:15	NinjaSquid	yeah
2021-05-09 03:03:17	meowth	reasonable
2021-05-09 03:03:21	@turb	yeah i agree with that
2021-05-09 03:03:31	@turb	i never went into cloud kingdom thinking "hmm this would be a great real level"
2021-05-09 03:03:33	@turb	it's just clouds
2021-05-09 03:03:38	@Anton{Politoed}	meanwhile ruined kingdom absolutely set itself up for more, and then when it was just an unexplorable boss level it was like
2021-05-09 03:03:39	@Anton{Politoed}	oh
2021-05-09 03:03:41	@turb	ruined kingdom killed my family
2021-05-09 03:03:43	@Anton{Politoed}	oh........
2021-05-09 03:03:49	meowth	if i were to pick between the writins rainbow ride is definitely worse
2021-05-09 03:04:01	Rose	Taquitos acquired
2021-05-09 03:04:34	@Anton{Politoed}	i'll consider this a no change
2021-05-09 03:04:36	meowth	however the gap isnt big enough for me to outright suggest a replacement
2021-05-09 03:04:48	meowth	that's fine with me
2021-05-09 03:05:08	Rose	:nochanges:
2021-05-09 03:05:10	@Anton{Politoed}	F4 Worst RPG Area (Bowser's Keep (SMRPG), Dry Dry Desert (PM), Flower Fields (PM), Twilight Trail (PM:TTYD), Merlee's Mansion (SPM), Sammer's Kingdom (SPM), The Overthere (SPM), Long Fall Falls (PM:SS), Sandshifter Ruins (PM:SS), Drybake Stadium (PM:SS), Teehee Valley (M&L:SS), Joke's End (M&L:SS), Oho Ocean (M&L:SS), Shroob Castle (M&L:PiT), 
2021-05-09 03:05:11	@Anton{Politoed}	Toad Town (M&L:PiT), Dreamy Mount Pajamaja (M&L:DT), Violet Passage (PM:CS), Spooky Trails (M+RKB)) 
2021-05-09 03:05:15	Lakituthequick	16) Shroob Castle (M&L:PiT) - 43 - 3.10%
2021-05-09 03:05:15	Lakituthequick	17) Toad Town (M&L:PiT) - 41 - 2.95%
2021-05-09 03:05:15	Lakituthequick	18) Oho Ocean (M&L:SS) - 33 - 2.38%
2021-05-09 03:05:15	Lakituthequick	19) O. Boggly Woods (PM:TTYD) - 3 - 0.22%
2021-05-09 03:05:15	Lakituthequick	19) O. Gloomy Woods (M&L:PJ) - 3 - 0.22%
2021-05-09 03:05:21	Lakituthequick	21st has 11 items
2021-05-09 03:05:33	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Paper_Mario:_The_Origami_King#Locations
2021-05-09 03:05:35	meowth	none of the write ins are worth it
2021-05-09 03:05:36	Pitohui	Useful reference
2021-05-09 03:05:52	Pitohui	Buuuut... none of the locations in TOK are, uh, all that bad
2021-05-09 03:05:52	Rose	Are any areas of TOK hated
2021-05-09 03:06:00	Pitohui	They're all pretty solid
2021-05-09 03:06:12	Rose	We could leave it to write ins
2021-05-09 03:06:13	meowth	ill default to people who played tok because it probably should have nominees but i can't tell you what should be included
2021-05-09 03:06:20	Pitohui	The only ones I could think that people might have reason to dislike are:
2021-05-09 03:06:33	Pitohui	Great Sea if you didn't like the sailing gimmick for that portion of the game
2021-05-09 03:06:36	Lakituthequick	I died in Ninja Attraction if anything and had to redo an entire fight
2021-05-09 03:06:43	Lakituthequick	Which was annoying
2021-05-09 03:06:46	Pitohui	Fire Vellumental Temple for lots and lots of fire
2021-05-09 03:06:52	Lakituthequick	It does
2021-05-09 03:06:57	Pitohui	And Ice Vellumental Temple for lots of sliding ice puzzles
2021-05-09 03:07:26	meowth	there's not any nominees super low if we want to leave to write ins i guess?
2021-05-09 03:07:27	Rose	Why is every ice area ever comprised of sliding ice puzzles
2021-05-09 03:07:31	Rose	Are there no other good ideas
2021-05-09 03:08:12	Pitohui	Not enough people appreciate ice and snow settings, Rose...
2021-05-09 03:08:20	Lakituthequick	Can't judge anything from purple ribbon and onwards
2021-05-09 03:10:42	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so no changes again!
2021-05-09 03:10:49	@Anton{Politoed}	F5 Worst Level Concept (Ice levels, Water levels, Autoscrolling levels, Ghost Houses, Star Ball galaxies, Purple Coin levels, "Secret of _ levels" (SMS), Red Coin missions (SMS), Surfing galaxies, Automatic levels (SMM), Restrictively low timers, Checkpointless challenges, Cappyless/F.L.U.D.D.less missions)
2021-05-09 03:11:10	meowth	i guess if tok has anything super hated we'll find out in a couple months
2021-05-09 03:11:11	Lakituthequick	11) "Secret of _ levels" (SMS) - 74 - 3.97%
2021-05-09 03:11:11	Lakituthequick	12) Ice levels - 54 - 2.90%
2021-05-09 03:11:11	Lakituthequick	13) Red Coin missions (SMS) - 30 - 1.61%
2021-05-09 03:11:11	Lakituthequick	14) O. "Refreshing" levels (SMM2) - 6 - 0.32%
2021-05-09 03:11:11	Lakituthequick	15) O. Hot garbage levels (SMM/SMM2) - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-09 03:11:24	Lakituthequick	16th has 4 items
2021-05-09 03:11:31	Rose	Lmao hot garbage levels
2021-05-09 03:11:33	meowth	im glad it's just
2021-05-09 03:11:37	meowth	hot garbage
2021-05-09 03:11:48	Rose	When do we add Little Timmy levels to the poll
2021-05-09 03:12:13	@Anton{Politoed}	mmmmmmmmmmmeh
2021-05-09 03:12:15	Pitohui	So, a thought here, because we decide not to subdivide Lake Lapcat into levels, but there is one recurring mission on each island that's a little "eh"
2021-05-09 03:12:19	@Anton{Politoed}	was there anything horrifying in new games
2021-05-09 03:12:20	Lakituthequick	why is "levels" of that SMS one within the quotes
2021-05-09 03:12:30	Pitohui	Namely, the Fury Blocks missions
2021-05-09 03:12:47	meowth	the fury blocks missions were my least favorite ones too
2021-05-09 03:12:49	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Fury_Block
2021-05-09 03:12:57	@turb	i think thats probably just a formatting error
2021-05-09 03:13:14	Pitohui	They're on every island and irritating because you have to wait for Bowser to go into Fury Mode to do them (and also boring)
2021-05-09 03:13:34	meowth	yeah i can get behind adding those
2021-05-09 03:13:37	@Anton{Politoed}	formatting error fixed
2021-05-09 03:13:52	meowth	it was a bit of a pain to wait for them
2021-05-09 03:14:00	Rose	Don't they get extra infuriating after you get every other shine and there's still like five of those sitting around
2021-05-09 03:14:04	Lakituthequick	:thumbup:
2021-05-09 03:14:10	Pitohui	If we were to make them a nominee it might be worded as, like "Fury Block missions"
2021-05-09 03:14:11	meowth	YEP
2021-05-09 03:14:16	NinjaSquid	would the roshambo temples from CS be considered levels?
2021-05-09 03:14:16	Pitohui	Yes Rose, they DO
2021-05-09 03:14:24	Pitohui	Oh, that could be good, NS
2021-05-09 03:14:32	meowth	thankfully i got them all asap once i found them
2021-05-09 03:14:37	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Roshambo_Temple
2021-05-09 03:14:39	meowth	but they're still not great
2021-05-09 03:14:44	meowth	i can't comment on tok
2021-05-09 03:14:56	Pitohui	I'd call them levels, myself, NS
2021-05-09 03:15:09	meowth	we're at 13 so i support just straight up adding fury blocks
2021-05-09 03:15:10	Pitohui	(TOK didn't have anything that stuck out to me as fitting this Award, for the record)
2021-05-09 03:15:58	NinjaSquid	if there's a level concept i dislike in CS, it's definitely roshambo temples
2021-05-09 03:16:00	@Anton{Politoed}	Blast the Fury Blocks?
2021-05-09 03:16:09	NinjaSquid	i dlslike the rng
2021-05-09 03:16:13	Pitohui	Yeah, Anton
2021-05-09 03:16:45	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Blast the Fury Blocks (SM3DW:BF)"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-09 03:16:49	@turb	y
2021-05-09 03:16:51	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-09 03:16:53	Rose	y
2021-05-09 03:16:55	Pitohui	y
2021-05-09 03:17:10	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-09 03:17:21	BBQ-Turtle	a
2021-05-09 03:17:24	Lakituthequick	: => +
2021-05-09 03:17:29	meowth	y
2021-05-09 03:17:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	a
2021-05-09 03:17:42	Power_Flotzo	y
2021-05-09 03:17:47	meowth	7-0-2
2021-05-09 03:17:56	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Roshambo Temples (PM:CS)"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-09 03:17:59	@turb	y
2021-05-09 03:17:59	Pitohui	y
2021-05-09 03:18:01	Lakituthequick	a
2021-05-09 03:18:01	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-09 03:18:06	Rose	For a moment I was wondering what weird emoticon ltq had sent in chat
2021-05-09 03:18:08	Rose	a
2021-05-09 03:18:12	meowth	a
2021-05-09 03:18:15	Lakituthequick	lol
2021-05-09 03:18:19	BBQ-Turtle	a
2021-05-09 03:18:28	meowth	3-0-5
2021-05-09 03:18:33	meowth	3-0-4
2021-05-09 03:18:36	Power_Flotzo	y
2021-05-09 03:18:36	meowth	typo
2021-05-09 03:18:42	meowth	4-0-4
2021-05-09 03:18:48	Lakituthequick	not found, hahaha
2021-05-09 03:18:59	Lakituthequick	comedy
2021-05-09 03:19:02	Rose	:comedy:
2021-05-09 03:19:08	meowth	:comedy:
2021-05-09 03:19:24	@Anton{Politoed}	wii did it
2021-05-09 03:19:27	@Anton{Politoed}	any other considerations?
2021-05-09 03:19:36	Pitohui	Not from me
2021-05-09 03:19:37	meowth	im good
2021-05-09 03:20:03	NinjaSquid	looks good
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2021-05-09 03:20:09	Rose	"Shittily emulated levels (SM3DAS)" 
2021-05-09 03:20:20	meowth	:idfugit:
2021-05-09 03:20:21	@Anton{Politoed}	sm3dass
2021-05-09 03:20:33	@_2257	what does refreshing levels mean
2021-05-09 03:20:41	Rose	Super Mario's 3D Ass
2021-05-09 03:20:42	meowth	(i plan on nominating sm3das for something but not here)
2021-05-09 03:21:01	Lakituthequick	"this existing level but now with this gimmick"? 
2021-05-09 03:21:11	Power_Flotzo	Enter and exit a pipe to refresh if you do something wrong, or something along those lines?
2021-05-09 03:21:21	meowth	no idea what a refreshing level is
2021-05-09 03:21:38	Lakituthequick	At least the Squid Sisters are fans
2021-05-09 03:21:39	meowth	to be fair i mostly dropped maker 2 after finishing story mode
2021-05-09 03:21:55	@Anton{Politoed}	F6 Worst Spin-off (Dr. Mario 64, Mario Pinball Land, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Party 9, Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Party Advance, Mario Party 10, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Mario Kart Arcade GP games, Super Mario Run, Game & Wario, Mario Kart Tour, Dr. Mario World)
2021-05-09 03:22:04	Lakituthequick	12) Dr. Mario 64 - 29 - 1.58%
2021-05-09 03:22:04	Lakituthequick	13) Mario Kart: Super Circuit - 27 - 1.47%
2021-05-09 03:22:04	Lakituthequick	14) Mario Super Sluggers - 26 - 1.42%
2021-05-09 03:22:04	Lakituthequick	15) O. Hotel Mario - 10 - 0.55%
2021-05-09 03:22:04	Lakituthequick	16) O. Mario Party 8 - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-09 03:22:04	Lakituthequick	16) O. Super Paper Mario - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-09 03:22:21	@Anton{Politoed}	refreshing levels seem to be pointless ezpz levels that exist purely for aesthetics and 0 gameplay
2021-05-09 03:22:31	meowth	ah
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2021-05-09 03:22:42	@_2257	steange
2021-05-09 03:22:48	meowth	please no add hotel mario
2021-05-09 03:23:14	meowth	tok seems fine enough, was like, mk live super hated
2021-05-09 03:23:15	Lakituthequick	add MP8 and SPM to spite HM
2021-05-09 03:23:16	@_2257	i think we're in agreement that hotel mario doesn't really qualify
2021-05-09 03:23:17	Pitohui	Do we consider Home Circuit for this one?
2021-05-09 03:23:21	meowth	does anyone care about it at all
2021-05-09 03:23:24	@_2257	and it didnt even get many votes
2021-05-09 03:23:34	Pitohui	I haven't really heard anyone say anything about it positive or negative
2021-05-09 03:23:40	@turb	home circuit kind of seems like you get whta you pay for
2021-05-09 03:23:45	@turb	mario kart in your house
2021-05-09 03:23:49	meowth	oh i know hotel mario isn't going to be added
2021-05-09 03:23:50	@_2257	yeah i think home circuit is less hated and more just ignored
2021-05-09 03:23:52	@turb	yeah
2021-05-09 03:23:56	@Anton{Politoed}	mario kart?  in my house?
2021-05-09 03:24:05	Rose	More likely than you might think
2021-05-09 03:24:08	Pitohui	It's more likely than you think
2021-05-09 03:24:14	Lakituthequick	i know alex bought it but I don't think he ever said something about if afterwards
2021-05-09 03:24:14	Pitohui	Gotterdammerung, Rose
2021-05-09 03:24:14	Rose	Nice
2021-05-09 03:24:16	@turb	truetrue
2021-05-09 03:24:25	Rose	Ninja'd again
2021-05-09 03:24:27	meowth	i feel like it probably doesn't qualify because i don't hear any hate for it, i just don't think anyone cared
2021-05-09 03:24:32	meowth	just asked
2021-05-09 03:24:55	Pitohui	I don't think it needs to be on here
2021-05-09 03:25:04	meowth	in which case i personally would skip this one
2021-05-09 03:25:39	@Anton{Politoed}	now for the star of the show
2021-05-09 03:25:44	@Anton{Politoed}	F7 Worst Enemy (Lakitus, Big Berthas, Wizzerds, Bandits, Rocky Wrenches, Bloopers, Cursyas, Goombas, Hammer Bros., Parabones, Fangs, Grinders (SMW2:YI)/Ukikis, Fuzzies, Burrbos, Urban Stingbies)
2021-05-09 03:25:52	Lakituthequick	13) Parabones - 44 - 2.56%
2021-05-09 03:25:52	Lakituthequick	14) Burrbos - 32 - 1.86%
2021-05-09 03:25:52	Lakituthequick	15) Fangs - 25 - 1.46%
2021-05-09 03:25:52	Lakituthequick	16) O. Cheep Chomps - 6 - 0.35%
2021-05-09 03:25:52	Lakituthequick	17) O. Magikoopas - 5 - 0.29%
2021-05-09 03:25:52	Lakituthequick	18) O. Boss Bass - 4 - 0.23%
2021-05-09 03:25:52	Lakituthequick	18) O. Dry Bones - 4 - 0.23%
2021-05-09 03:26:03	meowth	#dontvotehammerbros2021
2021-05-09 03:26:07	Rose	Let's just take off Hammer Bros
2021-05-09 03:26:12	Rose	Really mix things up
2021-05-09 03:26:19	Lakituthequick	1) Hammer Bros. - 337 - 19.64%
2021-05-09 03:26:19	Lakituthequick	2) Cursyas - 187 - 10.90%
2021-05-09 03:26:28	NinjaSquid	I'll do propaganda for WT
2021-05-09 03:26:28	Rose	My point stands
2021-05-09 03:26:30	Lakituthequick	the sheer difference is upsetying
2021-05-09 03:26:36	meowth	URGH - thwomps
2021-05-09 03:26:40	@Anton{Politoed}	I am in agreement that hammer bros is a manipulated selection, trending immediately with popular youtube videos that declare it bad
2021-05-09 03:26:41	Gabumon	they'll get written back in
2021-05-09 03:26:50	@Anton{Politoed}	but I can't say it's on the same level as Hotel Mario
2021-05-09 03:26:54	NinjaSquid	#VotePorcupufferWorstEnemy2021
2021-05-09 03:27:06	meowth	i hate that they're that high but i can't support removing them
2021-05-09 03:27:11	Rose	We don't even have Porcupuffer directly on the poll
2021-05-09 03:27:15	@Anton{Politoed}	because hotel mario is selected almost purely for the meme, rather than swayed public opinions
2021-05-09 03:27:17	Rose	This campaign was doomed from the start
2021-05-09 03:27:32	Pitohui	[s]cancel the June special issue's theme and make it all about voting Porcupuffer worst enemy[/s]
2021-05-09 03:27:45	meowth	"truth is, the game was rigged from the start"
2021-05-09 03:27:46	@_2257	ok, but what if we simply replaced hammer bros with "not hammer bros"
2021-05-09 03:27:51	Pitohui	Bring the full force of the Mario Wiki propaganda machine down here
2021-05-09 03:27:51	@Anton{Politoed}	what we can do though is formally recognize flying cheep cheeps, whatever those are called
2021-05-09 03:28:04	Rose	I like 22's suggestion
2021-05-09 03:28:05	Gabumon	what's a porcupuffer again
2021-05-09 03:28:20	@_2257	the things from super mario world
2021-05-09 03:28:24	@_2257	they follow you around
2021-05-09 03:28:24	Rose	"Hammer Bros in Groucho glasses" 
2021-05-09 03:28:25	Pitohui	Spiky purple fish
2021-05-09 03:28:25	Lakituthequick	purple big fish that swims at the bottom of the screen
2021-05-09 03:28:28	Rose	Then they'll really be fooled
2021-05-09 03:28:32	@_2257	https://www.mariowiki.com/File:NSMBU_Porcupuffer_Artwork.png
2021-05-09 03:28:44	@_2257	i think in later games they might have been combined with boss bass?
2021-05-09 03:29:39	Rose	Are any of the TOK enemies atrocious 
2021-05-09 03:29:56	Pitohui	Not really, nah
2021-05-09 03:30:04	@_2257	i think the battle system in general is unpopular
2021-05-09 03:30:06	Pitohui	The TOK enemies all basically operate the same way, anyways
2021-05-09 03:30:12	@_2257	thats the main complaint i hear about the game
2021-05-09 03:30:17	Lakituthequick	that's not true
2021-05-09 03:30:20	@_2257	but individual enemies dont seem to be hated
2021-05-09 03:30:23	Lakituthequick	boos are very annoying
2021-05-09 03:30:32	Pitohui	Like, you could use bowling pins just as easily because the focus is on the rings
2021-05-09 03:30:46	@_2257	i dunno, boos are in a lot of games
2021-05-09 03:30:53	Lakituthequick	i meant like in TOK
2021-05-09 03:30:59	@_2257	i dont feel like being hated in just tok would really pull their reputation down enough for this
2021-05-09 03:31:09	Lakituthequick	You can't see them while arranging rings
2021-05-09 03:31:13	Pitohui	By the way, I'm trying to look at the, Cheep Cheeps and I don't know the flying variants ever have been given a separate name
2021-05-09 03:31:18	@_2257	and we dont have any other nominees like "boo (pmtok)"
2021-05-09 03:31:19	Pitohui	You can't??
2021-05-09 03:31:29	Lakituthequick	no
2021-05-09 03:31:43	Lakituthequick	They beome visible when time's almost up but other than that
2021-05-09 03:31:44	Pitohui	Huh. Never did I notice that.
2021-05-09 03:31:54	Lakituthequick	How fitting
2021-05-09 03:32:26	Lakituthequick	Dry Bones also function differently
2021-05-09 03:32:28	BBQ-Turtle	Are the flying ones the ones that do really high jumps from the bottom of the screen?
2021-05-09 03:32:34	@Anton{Politoed}	yes
2021-05-09 03:32:34	Lakituthequick	Probably others that are further into the game than I am
2021-05-09 03:33:07	BBQ-Turtle	I think "Jumping Cheep Cheep" is a name I've heard for them. It does appear to be a redirect on the wiki.
2021-05-09 03:33:46	@Anton{Politoed}	are there any serious considerations for additions or removals
2021-05-09 03:34:06	Lakituthequick	not from me
2021-05-09 03:34:22	Pitohui	I don't have any
2021-05-09 03:34:35	@turb	i havent played a new mario game for liek 8 years honestly so its relaly hard to have any meaningful input on stuff like that
2021-05-09 03:34:42	@turb	so im just sittin
2021-05-09 03:34:46	@Anton{Politoed}	F8 Worst Mario Kart Course (Choco Mountain, Sky Garden, Shy Guy Beach, Rainbow Road (SNES), Yoshi Falls, Grumble Volcano, Sherbet Land (N64), Koopa Beach 2, Banshee Boardwalk, Maka Wuhu, Rosalina's Ice World, Rainbow Road (Wii), Dolphin Shoals, Bone-Dry Dunes, Rainbow Road (N64), Baby Park, Figure-8 Circuit, Rainbow Road (MK8))
2021-05-09 03:34:49	Lakituthequick	16) Dolphin Shoals - 47 - 2.75%
2021-05-09 03:34:49	Lakituthequick	17) Maka Wuhu - 45 - 2.63%
2021-05-09 03:34:49	Lakituthequick	18) Sky Garden - 25 - 1.46%
2021-05-09 03:34:49	Lakituthequick	19) O. Cheese Land - 10 - 0.59%
2021-05-09 03:34:49	Lakituthequick	20) O. Ice Ice Outpost - 7 - 0.41%
2021-05-09 03:34:49	Lakituthequick	20) O. Moonview Highway - 7 - 0.41%
2021-05-09 03:35:07	@turb	people really hate cheese land huh
2021-05-09 03:35:13	@turb	maybe we should switch it out with sky garden
2021-05-09 03:35:18	Lakituthequick	There's nothing wrong with Cheese Land probably but I think some don't like what MK8D did with it
2021-05-09 03:35:20	Pitohui	I'm going to be bold here and say this could possibly be a good one to replace with Edo's suggestion?
2021-05-09 03:35:22	NinjaSquid	cheese land is bad in mk8
2021-05-09 03:35:28	Rose	I don't hate Cheese Land but it is FAR from my favorite
2021-05-09 03:35:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	same as turb
2021-05-09 03:35:31	@turb	are the top 3 consistent
2021-05-09 03:35:31	Pitohui	(Cheese Land is awful. Horrible)
2021-05-09 03:35:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm just kinda chilling because i'm out of touch
2021-05-09 03:35:50	@_2257	i have never understood the opposition to cheese land
2021-05-09 03:35:58	Pitohui	In the last three years, it's been the same three (though not in the same order)
2021-05-09 03:36:13	Pitohui	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ZwYpnz5khaQGPM7UFzDVblQ1qgzqSUoeatzKoo_5jY/edit#gid=145966213
2021-05-09 03:37:01	Lakituthequick	so, stale
2021-05-09 03:37:04	Pitohui	That combined with the continued lack of Mario Karts inspired the thought
2021-05-09 03:37:13	Pitohui	But, in fairness, there could be hated Tour courses
2021-05-09 03:37:17	@Anton{Politoed}	edo's idea i'm not really seeing as something that would make for a current new fail award nominee, but rather a functional rework of Biggest Missed Opportunity into something that can be mentally conceived better
2021-05-09 03:37:21	meowth	this award feels important to me but i can't tell you why
2021-05-09 03:37:26	@_2257	yeah but we would have to play tour to know
2021-05-09 03:37:30	Pitohui	But Tour is one of those rare ones I don't play
2021-05-09 03:37:35	Pitohui	Oh, oh, I see, Anton
2021-05-09 03:37:35	@_2257	and nobody should play tour
2021-05-09 03:37:39	Pitohui	That makes sense
2021-05-09 03:37:39	meowth	guess it's just because kart is pretty big
2021-05-09 03:37:41	Rose	I agree with Anton yeah
2021-05-09 03:37:44	Gabumon	id like to comment but i have to brb 5 min
2021-05-09 03:37:45	@Anton{Politoed}	rather than just a dumping ground for shitty nintendo shits
2021-05-09 03:37:48	Lakituthequick	I played Tour like, three times, two years ago
2021-05-09 03:37:48	meowth	per anton
2021-05-09 03:37:49	@turb	fuck current biggest missed opportunity
2021-05-09 03:38:01	Pitohui	Gotcha, then. That seems reasonable.
2021-05-09 03:38:06	@Anton{Politoed}	for the time being let's just crank on this award as if we were keeping it
2021-05-09 03:38:22	@Anton{Politoed}	people hate cheese land now
2021-05-09 03:38:23	meowth	ive played tour and i believe the consensus on tracks is "they exist!"
2021-05-09 03:38:31	@turb	i do think we should still do the chees land swap
2021-05-09 03:38:38	Pitohui	Cheese Land swap has my support
2021-05-09 03:38:40	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Replace "Sky Garden" with "Cheese Land"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-09 03:38:42	meowth	nothing particularly amazing or wrong about any of them
2021-05-09 03:38:43	@_2257	a
2021-05-09 03:38:44	Rose	y
2021-05-09 03:38:45	meowth	a
2021-05-09 03:38:45	Pitohui	(Sorry to SGoW)
2021-05-09 03:38:46	Pitohui	y
2021-05-09 03:38:46	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-09 03:38:47	@turb	y
2021-05-09 03:38:49	Power_Flotzo	n
2021-05-09 03:38:50	BBQ-Turtle	a
2021-05-09 03:38:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	a
2021-05-09 03:38:53	Lakituthequick	I can't believe I was hyped for Tour for the entire time it was just an announcement
2021-05-09 03:38:56	Lakituthequick	a
2021-05-09 03:39:04	meowth	what was wrong with this in mk8 again
2021-05-09 03:39:10	@turb	idk people just dont like it
2021-05-09 03:39:11	Pitohui	It just sucks
2021-05-09 03:39:14	Lakituthequick	it's in 3D now
2021-05-09 03:39:16	@turb	i have no opinion
2021-05-09 03:39:19	Rose	I think the biggest issue is the ground
2021-05-09 03:39:19	Pitohui	I can't even tell you why
2021-05-09 03:39:19	Lakituthequick	But like, really revamped
2021-05-09 03:39:21	Pitohui	It just does
2021-05-09 03:39:25	Honoka_Chaosaka	ltq
2021-05-09 03:39:25	Lakituthequick	It's also not cheese anymore
2021-05-09 03:39:26	@turb	i want it changed because sky garden is alarmingly low compared to the next lowest
2021-05-09 03:39:26	meowth	i remember it being one of the few gba tracks i actually liked
2021-05-09 03:39:27	Pitohui	And SGoW and I debate this all the time
2021-05-09 03:39:27	Lakituthequick	Just sand
2021-05-09 03:39:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	your sins will NOT be forever
2021-05-09 03:39:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	*forgiven
2021-05-09 03:39:32	Rose	The holes you trick off of are really more of a hindrance 
2021-05-09 03:39:41	Lakituthequick	?
2021-05-09 03:39:49	meowth	however i like sky garden more anyway
2021-05-09 03:39:50	meowth	so
2021-05-09 03:40:09	meowth	anyway 4-1-4
2021-05-09 03:40:12	Lakituthequick	what did i do
2021-05-09 03:40:29	Rose	The tour hype I assume
2021-05-09 03:40:42	@Anton{Politoed}	anything more for this award?
2021-05-09 03:40:49	Pitohui	I have nothing more here
2021-05-09 03:40:50	@turb	none from me
2021-05-09 03:40:56	NinjaSquid	nothing here
2021-05-09 03:41:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	nop
2021-05-09 03:41:24	meowth	honestly most annoying thing about tour tracks is i don't think anything new has returned since leaving 
2021-05-09 03:41:30	meowth	just different variants
2021-05-09 03:41:34	meowth	anyway no
2021-05-09 03:42:05	@Anton{Politoed}	F9 Worst Direction of Series (Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Paper Mario, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, New Super Mario Bros., Mario 3D games, WarioWare, Yoshi, Mario & Luigi, Dr. Mario, Mario Kart)
2021-05-09 03:42:16	Lakituthequick	9) Yoshi - 53 - 2.99%
2021-05-09 03:42:16	Lakituthequick	10) Mario Kart - 48 - 2.71%
2021-05-09 03:42:16	Lakituthequick	11) Mario 3D games - 25 - 1.41%
2021-05-09 03:42:16	Lakituthequick	12) O. Education titles - 4 - 0.23%
2021-05-09 03:42:16	Lakituthequick	13) O. Mario & Sonic - 3 - 0.17%
2021-05-09 03:42:16	Lakituthequick	13) O. Mario Golf - 3 - 0.17%
2021-05-09 03:42:16	Lakituthequick	13) O. Mobile Games - 3 - 0.17%
2021-05-09 03:42:25	@turb	uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu mario kart really deserves to win this year
2021-05-09 03:42:29	@turb	otherwise skip
2021-05-09 03:42:34	meowth	i think this is fine as it is
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2021-05-09 03:42:41	Pitohui	I have nothing to add to this one this year
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2021-05-09 03:42:45	Rose	Skip
2021-05-09 03:42:50	meowth	yeah mk deserves to be higher now
2021-05-09 03:42:57	Honoka_Chaosaka	nothin' from me
2021-05-09 03:43:16	NinjaSquid	can't think of anything for this one
2021-05-09 03:44:05	@Anton{Politoed}	F10 Worst Game Mechanic (Dimensional Flipping (SPM), Star Bits (SMG & SMG2), Camera (3D Games), Vibes (SPP), Joystick twirling (MP1), Limited inventory (PM & PM:TTYD), Stickers/Battle Cards (PM:SS & PM:CS), Button mashing (MP1), Gyroscope/motion controls, Vehicles (MP9 & MP10), Extra life system, Chance minigames (Mario Party series), 
2021-05-09 03:44:05	@Anton{Politoed}	Must use easy mode character in 4 player mode (NSMBUDX), Content requiring amiibo, Gacha, Boilerworks rafting (LM3))
2021-05-09 03:44:08	Lakituthequick	14) Dimensional Flipping (SPM) - 25 - 1.33%
2021-05-09 03:44:08	Lakituthequick	15) Vibes (SPP) - 20 - 1.06%
2021-05-09 03:44:08	Lakituthequick	16) Star Bits (SMG & SMG2) - 19 - 1.01%
2021-05-09 03:44:08	Lakituthequick	17) O. Jumping - 2 - 0.11%
2021-05-09 03:44:20	Lakituthequick	18th is single-vote writeins
2021-05-09 03:44:20	Rose	Lmao
2021-05-09 03:44:23	meowth	JUMPING LOL
2021-05-09 03:44:24	@_2257	jumping...
2021-05-09 03:44:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	i support making jumping a nominee
2021-05-09 03:44:38	Power_Flotzo	Hahahh
2021-05-09 03:44:40	NinjaSquid	jumping
2021-05-09 03:44:42	NinjaSquid	wtf
2021-05-09 03:44:51	meowth	im actually laughing that jumping got two votes for this
2021-05-09 03:44:52	Lakituthequick	if it actually gets a high placement if we do that then ___
2021-05-09 03:45:14	NinjaSquid	to whoever it was
2021-05-09 03:45:15	Lakituthequick	i mean
2021-05-09 03:45:17	@_2257	i dont think 2 votes indicates anythign we should seriously consider
2021-05-09 03:45:21	Pitohui	Battle Rings from TOK
2021-05-09 03:45:25	Lakituthequick	there is place
2021-05-09 03:45:27	Lakituthequick	But also
2021-05-09 03:45:29	NinjaSquid	if you don't like jumping, try Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
2021-05-09 03:45:29	Pitohui	Er, actually
2021-05-09 03:45:30	Lakituthequick	I ahve notes
2021-05-09 03:45:30	meowth	we should absolutely not include jumping
2021-05-09 03:45:39	Lakituthequick	Add: Ring battles (PM:TOK)
2021-05-09 03:45:41	meowth	it's just hilarious
2021-05-09 03:45:42	Pitohui	"Ring Sliding (Paper Mario: The Origami King)
2021-05-09 03:45:54	meowth	yeah the ring battles probably should go here
2021-05-09 03:46:00	Pitohui	That's one I feel should be a definite add
2021-05-09 03:46:06	meowth	that's the biggest complaint ive heard about tok
2021-05-09 03:46:08	NinjaSquid	agree with adding the ring battle system
2021-05-09 03:46:14	@Anton{Politoed}	sure
2021-05-09 03:46:17	@Anton{Politoed}	what should the name be
2021-05-09 03:46:25	Rose	Ring battles I think
2021-05-09 03:46:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	Ring Battle System (Paper Mario: The Origami King)
2021-05-09 03:46:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	imo
2021-05-09 03:46:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	or Ring Battles, yeah
2021-05-09 03:46:32	Pitohui	Perch's name
2021-05-09 03:46:44	Lakituthequick	gods the uppercase letters
2021-05-09 03:47:16	meowth	Ring battle system (PM:TOK)
2021-05-09 03:47:21	Lakituthequick	Better
2021-05-09 03:47:34	meowth	i think this is consistent with the rest of the nominee namds
2021-05-09 03:47:36	meowth	names
2021-05-09 03:47:56	Lakituthequick	is there a way to distinquis them from boss battles
2021-05-09 03:48:02	Lakituthequick	the boss ones are generally liked
2021-05-09 03:48:14	Pitohui	The Boss ones are good
2021-05-09 03:48:30	Pitohui	I don't know how you distinguish them easily, though
2021-05-09 03:48:43	Rose	Regular ring battles (PM:TOK)
2021-05-09 03:48:44	BBQ-Turtle	Enemy Ring Battles? (I don't entirely know, I haven't played the game)
2021-05-09 03:48:45	Rose	Maybe
2021-05-09 03:48:52	@_2257	non-boss battles lol
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2021-05-09 03:49:13	Pitohui	Non-Boss Ring Battle System (PM:TOK)
2021-05-09 03:49:14	Rose	Smasher what are you doing you've missed almost all of the meeting
2021-05-09 03:49:17	Pitohui	Yeah, that works
2021-05-09 03:49:23	Rose	I don't think we need the word system
2021-05-09 03:49:29	Rose	Just battles suffices
2021-05-09 03:50:18	Smasher	i am sorry meowth kept me from being online
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2021-05-09 03:50:20	@_2257	are the boss battles actually mechanically different though or are they justthe same but better made
2021-05-09 03:50:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	mechnically different
2021-05-09 03:50:28	Lakituthequick	the former
2021-05-09 03:50:29	Rose	They're completely different
2021-05-09 03:50:35	Honoka_Chaosaka	the regular battles are line up enemies to attack them all at once
2021-05-09 03:50:38	@_2257	weird 
2021-05-09 03:50:39	Pitohui	Yeah, you have to path to the boss
2021-05-09 03:50:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	the boss battles involving arranging rings so you can follow a path
2021-05-09 03:50:49	Smasher	(aka im on comp now for the last ten minutes)
2021-05-09 03:51:12	Smasher	ok then yeah not boss battles then
2021-05-09 03:51:42	@Anton{Politoed}	edo are you here
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2021-05-09 03:51:45	Gabumon	yes
2021-05-09 03:51:57	Gabumon	I cant comment on the ring thing
2021-05-09 03:51:59	@Anton{Politoed}	ok since we're just kinda mulling over naming this nominee I'll slap something up
2021-05-09 03:52:07	@Anton{Politoed}	and if people hate it then we can come back to it when we do the review
2021-05-09 03:52:19	@Anton{Politoed}	otherwise, onto F11 which means first edo's thing
2021-05-09 03:52:25	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2270683
2021-05-09 03:53:33	Gabumon	I guess the gist of it is
2021-05-09 03:53:52	Gabumon	nobody will care about this award if we don't have the stuff on it that people know
2021-05-09 03:53:55	Lakituthequick	also side note, each boss has its own extra mechanics added on top that require different strats for said pathing
2021-05-09 03:53:58	Gabumon	and we'll get a bunch of joke votes
2021-05-09 03:54:08	Gabumon	wait
2021-05-09 03:54:13	Gabumon	wrong award
2021-05-09 03:54:19	Gabumon	disregard what I said
2021-05-09 03:54:39	@Anton{Politoed}	for the wario thing we're pretty much doing my solution to it that we talked about and I posted
2021-05-09 03:54:44	Gabumon	ok
2021-05-09 03:55:02	Gabumon	anyway, if you want to replace missed opportunity with this, I guess that's ok
2021-05-09 03:55:30	Gabumon	I don't think it hits quite the same niche, but maybe you're just sick of missed opportunities' wobbliness
2021-05-09 03:55:50	@Anton{Politoed}	yes
2021-05-09 03:56:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah none of these are opportunties that nintendo missed
2021-05-09 03:56:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	they know what they're doing.
2021-05-09 03:56:29	Gabumon	also if anyone has any other suggestions for nominees, go ahead
2021-05-09 03:57:00	@turb	i am very sick of missed opportunities
2021-05-09 03:57:16	Lakituthequick	sick in general or making its nominiees work
2021-05-09 03:57:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	hmm
2021-05-09 03:57:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	would the decision to throttle things on NSO count separately from the subscription
2021-05-09 03:57:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	like the very gradual rollotu of games
2021-05-09 03:57:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	encouraging you to stick around and keep paying 
2021-05-09 03:57:58	@_2257	does unbelivably shitty joy con build quality count as a cash grab lol
2021-05-09 03:57:59	Rose	Wow does LEGO Mario really say advertisements towards you
2021-05-09 03:58:01	Pitohui	It'd probably be possible to take the "frequent takedowns [...]" nominee of Missed Opportunities and rework it into Cash-Grab, considering the goal of those takedowns is IP Protection/Knocking down fan competition
2021-05-09 03:58:01	Smasher	missed opportunities, my favorite award to talk about every year
2021-05-09 03:58:05	Rose	Yes 22
2021-05-09 03:58:17	Pitohui	Joy-Con Drift should absolutely also be considered
2021-05-09 03:58:18	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah some missed opportunities can certainly be reworked
2021-05-09 03:58:27	Gabumon	lego added an update to lego mario that makes him call out for luigi
2021-05-09 03:58:27	@Anton{Politoed}	I'd also like to try to find a different name for this award, but
2021-05-09 03:58:28	@_2257	yes lego mario says ads
2021-05-09 03:58:29	Rose	Well that's not a cash grab re: takedowns is it
2021-05-09 03:58:32	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm not really opposed to it
2021-05-09 03:58:35	Gabumon	and then they released a luigi set
2021-05-09 03:58:49	Rose	That's just them being stupidly stingy with their ip
2021-05-09 03:58:53	Gabumon	it's pretty gross emotional manipulation of children
2021-05-09 03:59:00	Rose	Ew
2021-05-09 03:59:21	@_2257	i thin 'favorite shameless cash grab' is a pretty funny name honestly
2021-05-09 03:59:32	Pitohui	RE: Rose - I see it as one - it's taking down content that could complete with their content to (ostensibly) get more money by keeping people buying what they put out
2021-05-09 03:59:38	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah it's definitely a kick
2021-05-09 03:59:47	Pitohui	But that was more of a quick thought than "take this one to one"
2021-05-09 03:59:47	@Anton{Politoed}	I'd like to brainstorm other possible names though
2021-05-09 04:00:00	Pitohui	That'd be worked out depending on the Award name and nominee wording
2021-05-09 04:00:00	Gabumon	what's wrong with the name
2021-05-09 04:00:01	Rose	That's fair enough
2021-05-09 04:00:40	@Anton{Politoed}	'shameless cash-grab' are words that kinda evoke a particular judgment already but it's also like
2021-05-09 04:00:43	@Anton{Politoed}	warranted
2021-05-09 04:00:48	Gabumon	yeah
2021-05-09 04:00:53	Gabumon	it's warranted
2021-05-09 04:00:59	@Anton{Politoed}	so I'd just like to see if something more """"""""""""""""professional""""""""""" is possible
2021-05-09 04:01:08	@Anton{Politoed}	but it's likely that there isn't one that works as well
2021-05-09 04:01:09	Rose	I think we can deserve to be fun once or twice
2021-05-09 04:01:10	@Anton{Politoed}	I just want to see
2021-05-09 04:01:42	Gabumon	I think it's not really that much different from something like worst direction of series
2021-05-09 04:01:50	Rose	Nintendo takes down the MarioWiki because they don't like how we phrased the award
2021-05-09 04:01:52	@Anton{Politoed}	we'd also have to come up with a definition for this, as well as the other new nominees really
2021-05-09 04:01:57	Gabumon	there's already judgment in that
2021-05-09 04:02:01	@Anton{Politoed}	it's hard to word what I mean
2021-05-09 04:02:04	@Anton{Politoed}	it
2021-05-09 04:02:07	@Anton{Politoed}	s like uhhhhhhhh
2021-05-09 04:02:26	@Anton{Politoed}	if Most Disappointing Game was instead Most Hated Game
2021-05-09 04:02:30	@Anton{Politoed}	different power behind the words
2021-05-09 04:02:33	@Anton{Politoed}	but, again, warranted
2021-05-09 04:02:48	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm just saying that we could see if there's another name, not that we need to change it
2021-05-09 04:02:52	Rose	Most Offensive Cash-grab could work as an alternative if really needed
2021-05-09 04:02:53	@_2257	i think most disappointing game WAS worst game
2021-05-09 04:03:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	it was!
2021-05-09 04:03:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	and that did indeed carry a specificpower
2021-05-09 04:03:14	@_2257	we changed it because it was consistently dominated by hotel mario and stuff like that
2021-05-09 04:03:15	Gabumon	tbh I'm not really in favor of professionalizing the name if it takes the bite out of it, like "least favorite questionable profit-oriented business decision"
2021-05-09 04:03:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	which meant it was always - yeah
2021-05-09 04:03:34	@Anton{Politoed}	that's fine then
2021-05-09 04:03:40	@Anton{Politoed}	i'm just like............just saying
2021-05-09 04:03:42	NinjaSquid	Worst Marketing Strategy
2021-05-09 04:03:42	@_2257	even though yoshi's island ds is a worse game than hotel mario
2021-05-09 04:03:44	@Anton{Politoed}	options, options, options
2021-05-09 04:03:50	NinjaSquid	or something along the line perhaps?
2021-05-09 04:03:59	@Anton{Politoed}	nah it's fantastic marketing
2021-05-09 04:04:01	@Anton{Politoed}	just soulless
2021-05-09 04:04:05	Rose	Yeah
2021-05-09 04:04:05	@turb	i feel like worst marketing strategy implies it was a failure yeah
2021-05-09 04:04:09	@turb	on their part
2021-05-09 04:04:20	@_2257	favorite evil corporate behavior
2021-05-09 04:04:21	NinjaSquid	oh right yeah
2021-05-09 04:04:26	@Anton{Politoed}	ok anyways to wrap up
2021-05-09 04:04:31	@turb	im personally fine with the cashgrab idea but yeah
2021-05-09 04:04:36	BBQ-Turtle	Most anti-consumer practice?
2021-05-09 04:04:40	@turb	stuff
2021-05-09 04:04:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	i kinda like bbq's
2021-05-09 04:04:53	@Anton{Politoed}	on the forum we'll continue to further develop and finalize all new award options -Favorite Game Mechanic -Favorite Merchandise -Favorite Mario Party Board and this one
2021-05-09 04:04:55	NinjaSquid	yeah same
2021-05-09 04:04:57	Lakituthequick	man
2021-05-09 04:04:58	Pitohui	BBQ has a good one
2021-05-09 04:05:08	Pitohui	Anton, a question for you as we wrap-up
2021-05-09 04:05:08	Lakituthequick	the vote with your wallet thing hasn't really caught on yet
2021-05-09 04:05:09	@_2257	i want to keep the word favorite
2021-05-09 04:05:17	@_2257	i think its very funny in an award like this
2021-05-09 04:05:24	@turb	same
2021-05-09 04:05:30	@_2257	anti-consumer is a good word though
2021-05-09 04:05:31	Lakituthequick	but still as a fail award or
2021-05-09 04:05:33	BBQ-Turtle	Favourite anti-consumer practice?
2021-05-09 04:05:36	@Anton{Politoed}	I'll also generate the dk/wario/yoshi and mario music nominees eventually
2021-05-09 04:05:41	@turb	i like bbq's if we decide to professionalize it
2021-05-09 04:05:55	@Anton{Politoed}	and then we'll work on this f11 thing on the forum
2021-05-09 04:06:02	@Anton{Politoed}	favorite implies it's enjoyed and appreciated
2021-05-09 04:06:04	@turb	"favorite anti-consumer practice" is my favorite funny/depressing juxtaposed sentence
2021-05-09 04:06:12	@Anton{Politoed}	it's cheeky but to, like, the ~14 of us
2021-05-09 04:06:16	@turb	yeah idk
2021-05-09 04:06:19	@Anton{Politoed}	compared to upwards to a thousand unique voters
2021-05-09 04:06:27	@turb	like i really enjoy the word in theory but i dont want people to get the wrong idea on the main page
2021-05-09 04:06:28	Gabumon	sorry, it's a good suggestion, but I am against de-fanging the name
2021-05-09 04:06:49	Pitohui	Looking ahead at the Community Awards and my notes for them, there's a few awards where our potential nominee least is in the mid to high 20s (and favorite artist has over 30 potential nominees). Am I good, looking ahead, to put some polls on the forum in advance of us getting to the community awards in a meeting so we can be whittling those down
2021-05-09 04:06:49	Pitohui	sooner than later?
2021-05-09 04:07:04	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah
2021-05-09 04:07:14	Pitohui	Cool, cool.
2021-05-09 04:07:19	@Anton{Politoed}	also for the record, I'm pro new f11 having fangs
2021-05-09 04:07:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah i don't like the idea of calling it "favorite" because i feel like the sarcasm is going to be lost on the wider audience 
2021-05-09 04:07:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	i am fang-neutral
2021-05-09 04:07:49	Pitohui	Then I'll start compiling those this week (so I can put reference links in the threads for them, too)
2021-05-09 04:07:52	@turb	i am fang-neutral leaning pro
2021-05-09 04:07:56	Pitohui	I'm fang-neutral as well
2021-05-09 04:07:59	NinjaSquid	tbh, i wonder if calling it "favorite" might be confusing for some
2021-05-09 04:08:11	Pitohui	"Favorite" shouldn't be part of the name
2021-05-09 04:08:27	Gabumon	the fangs arent about favorite vs not favorite, but cash-grab vs marketing 
2021-05-09 04:08:36	@turb	oh that
2021-05-09 04:08:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah i know
2021-05-09 04:08:45	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm neutral on that
2021-05-09 04:08:49	@Anton{Politoed}	anything else before we close?
2021-05-09 04:08:53	Pitohui	(fangs and the favorite discussion were two separate statements, from me)
2021-05-09 04:08:56	@turb	my opinion is incidentally the same on that
2021-05-09 04:09:00	@turb	neutral leaning pro
2021-05-09 04:09:04	@turb	also i'm good
2021-05-09 04:09:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	i got nothing
2021-05-09 04:09:09	Pitohui	I have nothing else.
2021-05-09 04:09:17	Lakituthequick	z
2021-05-09 04:09:17	Power_Flotzo	Nothing
2021-05-09 04:09:23	NinjaSquid	nothing here
2021-05-09 04:09:39	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8888888, productive meeting, will likely wrap up fail awards quickly next meeting and begin Community should it be ready
2021-05-09 04:09:50	@Anton{Politoed}	otherwise got some forum threads to finish off to fill in time
2021-05-09 04:10:08	@Anton{Politoed}	and should pitohui instead feel more comfortable waiting until the following week, we can certainly do that
2021-05-09 04:10:15	Uniju	good job team
2021-05-09 04:10:33	Smasher	sorry for disappearing at the end
2021-05-09 04:10:36	Pitohui	It'll probably be ready by next meeting - I have most of my notes already. I've just been updating them as new sections have started/ended, people have posted art, etc.
2021-05-09 04:10:40	Smasher	im fang-neutral btw
2021-05-09 04:10:48	Lakituthequick	Uniju that felt like the janitor suddenly bursting into the board of directors
2021-05-09 04:11:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	amazing
2021-05-09 04:11:14	Pitohui	And with the last pre-poll 'Shroom issue coming out next Saturday that should mostly finalize a lot of the community awards notes I have
2021-05-09 04:11:25	Pitohui	Everybody read the issue next Saturday
2021-05-09 04:11:41	Pitohui	I'll try and get those polls up Monday
2021-05-09 04:11:51	@Anton{Politoed}	uniju did you read my latest review  https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_169/Critic_Corner#Anton's_Half-Baked_Reviews
2021-05-09 04:11:53	@Anton{Politoed}	it's the final cocoa one
2021-05-09 04:12:11	Uniju	no i didnt
2021-05-09 04:12:15	Uniju	i dont remember if i read the one before this
2021-05-09 04:12:24	Lakituthequick	gods I hate Windows
2021-05-09 04:12:29	@Anton{Politoed}	have a good night everyone, I'll try to work on everything between now and next meeting with my significant amount of overtime hours because everyone at work is quitting!