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2021-05-16 01:54:44	--	Topic set by Anton{Politoed} (Mibbit@048-200-687-565.res.spectrum.com) on za, 17 apr 2021 01:10:22
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2021-05-16 01:55:35	Pitohui	Good to see the two of you here
2021-05-16 01:56:09	meowth	🐎
2021-05-16 01:56:16	Lakituthequick	hello
2021-05-16 01:59:19	@Anton{Politoed}	hi i'm here give ne a moment
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2021-05-16 02:00:19	Lakituthequick	gaming
2021-05-16 02:00:21	tpggaming2	rose ive been waiting HOURS
2021-05-16 02:00:29	Rose	Sorry my bad
2021-05-16 02:01:03	@turb	hello
2021-05-16 02:01:08	Rose	Yo
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2021-05-16 02:01:18	NinjaSquid	Hello!
2021-05-16 02:01:19	meowth	im gay
2021-05-16 02:01:50	Lakituthequick	hi gay
2021-05-16 02:01:54	@Anton{Politoed}	i'm currently trying to catch a xerneas give me a second
2021-05-16 02:01:57	@Anton{Politoed}	it's VERY important
2021-05-16 02:02:08	Lakituthequick	as you do
2021-05-16 02:02:19	@turb	i might be away for a bit to get food or soemthing
2021-05-16 02:02:26	@turb	instead of doing that in the hour prior to the meeting
2021-05-16 02:02:28	@turb	as one does
2021-05-16 02:02:58	@Anton{Politoed}	ok i caught it
2021-05-16 02:03:02	@Anton{Politoed}	i'm the pokemon master
2021-05-16 02:03:04	meowth	good work
2021-05-16 02:03:05	@Anton{Politoed}	RED
2021-05-16 02:03:12	meowth	scary
2021-05-16 02:03:15	tpggaming2	D: 
2021-05-16 02:03:27	@Anton{Politoed}	doesn't even have good IVs
2021-05-16 02:03:28	@Anton{Politoed}	bitch
2021-05-16 02:03:34	@Anton{Politoed}	anyways welcome to today's ac meeting!
2021-05-16 02:03:45	meowth	whee
2021-05-16 02:03:51	@Anton{Politoed}	thank you all for surviving the volatile shift from friday to saturday, even sunday for some of you
2021-05-16 02:04:24	@Anton{Politoed}	on today's agenda we're gonna be covering all the new award ideas, finishing Fail, and starting Community
2021-05-16 02:04:56	@Anton{Politoed}	I did not have time to work on M5-7, but that's fine as it's essentially just compiling nominees and declaring "hey i'm doing this" to see if anyone has a stroke about it
2021-05-16 02:05:05	@Anton{Politoed}	I can do that later on the forum
2021-05-16 02:05:38	@turb	i voted in every community awards poll :hutaowobble:
2021-05-16 02:05:45	@Anton{Politoed}	otherwise what I think I'm gonna do is yeah that
2021-05-16 02:05:52	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/forums/86/
2021-05-16 02:05:59	@Anton{Politoed}	there's a bunch of community awards polls to vote on
2021-05-16 02:06:07	@Anton{Politoed}	C1, C3, C4, C9
2021-05-16 02:06:16	@Anton{Politoed}	go ahead and click all of those and take some time to vote in them
2021-05-16 02:06:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh shit i need to do that
2021-05-16 02:06:25	Rose	Why does it say I only voted on one thing for C9 :idfugit: 
2021-05-16 02:06:44	Rose	Sorry everyone I guess Mario Boombox is the only section that gets my vote this year
2021-05-16 02:06:45	Pitohui	Yes, yes! Please do vote in these polls!
2021-05-16 02:07:02	Pitohui	I was legit wondering why Boombox was the only section with unanimous votes up until now
2021-05-16 02:07:31	@Anton{Politoed}	while you guys do that, I'm gonna go through the rest of Fail Awards to finish that up
2021-05-16 02:07:45	@Anton{Politoed}	F12 Worst Game Objective (Boshi race (SMRPG), Yoshi Eggs (SMA), Blue Coins (SMS), Rabbits (SM64DS), Flopside Pit of 100 Trials (SPM), Piccolo (SPM), Duel of 100 (SPM), World 9 (NSMBW), One million Coins (NSMB2), Green Stars (SMG2), Completing every level with every character (SM3DW), Chasing General White (PM:TTYD), Super Expert Mode (SMM), 
2021-05-16 02:07:45	Pitohui	OPs have links to make things easier for those, btw
2021-05-16 02:07:46	@Anton{Politoed}	Beach Volleyball (SMO), Jump-Rope Challenge (SMO), Purple Coins (SMG1 & SMG2), 9,999,999 Coins (NSMB2))
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	15) World 9 (NSMBW) - 27 - 1.44%
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	16) Piccolo (SPM) - 21 - 1.12%
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	16) Yoshi Eggs (SMA) - 21 - 1.12%
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	18) O. Collecting all Power Moons (SMO) - 3 - 0.16%
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	19) O. 120 Shine Sprites (SMS) - 2 - 0.11%
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	19) O. Finding Paper Toads (M&L:PJ) - 2 - 0.11%
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	19) O. Green Stars (SM3DW) - 2 - 0.11%
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	19) O. The Perfect Run (SMG2) - 2 - 0.11%
2021-05-16 02:08:20	Lakituthequick	19) O. The Watermelon Festival (SMS) - 2 - 0.11%
2021-05-16 02:08:34	Lakituthequick	Sorry ,was looking at a poll I swore I voted in but didnt
2021-05-16 02:08:41	@Anton{Politoed}	write-ins aren't too compelling
2021-05-16 02:08:51	Rose	Did Bowser's Fury do anything stupid
2021-05-16 02:08:51	@Anton{Politoed}	is there anything new that just fucking sucked
2021-05-16 02:08:55	meowth	not feeling the writins
2021-05-16 02:08:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	:I Voted:
2021-05-16 02:09:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah writeins feel like unneded here
2021-05-16 02:09:09	Lakituthequick	I have notes
2021-05-16 02:09:14	Lakituthequick	Add: Finding folded Toads (PM:TOK)
2021-05-16 02:09:14	meowth	i can't think of anything from bf for this right away
2021-05-16 02:09:29	Pitohui	TOK has a lot of 100% completion goals but none feel particularly egregious on their own... Combined, perhaps, though...
2021-05-16 02:10:02	tpggaming2	BF only had 100 shines which were all fairly quick to go through 
2021-05-16 02:10:06	Pitohui	There's ? Blocks, Not-So-Bottomless Holes, Trophies, and Toads and you have to clear all of them in every area for 100%
2021-05-16 02:10:11	tpggaming2	and that was its only objective 
2021-05-16 02:10:20	meowth	only thing is bf is just to collect 100 cat shines and while the blocks sucked it can be easily done in a few hours
2021-05-16 02:10:20	Pitohui	BF did nothing annoying for this Award
2021-05-16 02:10:22	@turb	uhhhhhhhhhhhh
2021-05-16 02:10:29	tpggaming2	TOK on the other hand 
2021-05-16 02:10:38	@turb	honestly outside of the folded toads thing i cant think of shit
2021-05-16 02:10:44	@turb	and im only saying that because i trust people to know when a thing sucks
2021-05-16 02:10:48	meowth	as usual ill default to the people who actually played tok
2021-05-16 02:10:50	Lakituthequick	I can't get over the name "not-so-bottomless hole"
2021-05-16 02:11:03	Lakituthequick	I fact I hate that name
2021-05-16 02:11:16	Rose	I didn't know people disliked finding the toads
2021-05-16 02:11:17	Lakituthequick	But what can you do
2021-05-16 02:11:18	Pitohui	It's a questionable name
2021-05-16 02:11:19	tpggaming2	i think '100% completion' would work as a catch-all for all the mindless exploration stuff that TOK has 
2021-05-16 02:11:29	Pitohui	See, Rose, I don't think any of those are bad on their own
2021-05-16 02:11:33	Pitohui	Just all combined
2021-05-16 02:11:37	@_2257	what's wrong with it
2021-05-16 02:11:38	Pitohui	I like TPG's suggestion
2021-05-16 02:11:39	Lakituthequick	I don't dislike finding them but I feel like it migh tbe
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2021-05-16 02:12:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	clearly instead it should have just been
2021-05-16 02:12:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	bottomed hole
2021-05-16 02:12:44	@Anton{Politoed}	this award is geared more towards specific tasks, not so much game-wide
2021-05-16 02:12:48	Lakituthequick	Anyway I don't play the game in English so I am blessed by not having to look at "not-so-bottomless pit" all th etime
2021-05-16 02:12:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	and yeah "the whole game" is just
2021-05-16 02:12:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	not a fit 
2021-05-16 02:13:16	Smasher	not so bottomless pit is a great name
2021-05-16 02:13:39	tpggaming2	theres stuff like 'beat every level with every character in sm3dw' though
2021-05-16 02:13:51	Pitohui	Fair point. I was thinking it more in terms of "additional collectathon element"
2021-05-16 02:14:02	Smasher	to be fair, that is indeed an optional task
2021-05-16 02:14:06	@_2257	i thought the idea was that it had to be soenmthing that was specifically rewarded or called out as a goal by the game
2021-05-16 02:14:10	Pitohui	Since it isn't really required to beat the game
2021-05-16 02:14:17	Pitohui	Just something you get some extra rewards for
2021-05-16 02:14:39	BBQ-Turtle	The beating every level with every character thing is required to get gold stars on flagpoles and the last five stamps.
2021-05-16 02:14:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think it's more like 
2021-05-16 02:14:52	NinjaSquid	well, there is chasing general white in there
2021-05-16 02:14:53	Lakituthequick	F12 - Worst Game Objective - The worst goal, challenge, objective, or quest in a game.
2021-05-16 02:15:01	NinjaSquid	which is required to beat TTYD
2021-05-16 02:15:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	just saying "100% completion of tok" is too general
2021-05-16 02:15:11	Smasher	optional in just beating the game i meant
2021-05-16 02:15:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	as opposed to if a specific one was specifically Really Bad
2021-05-16 02:15:29	Smasher	yeah i agree that 100% completing a game doesn´t quite fit
2021-05-16 02:15:44	@_2257	worst game objective: play donkey kong 64 
2021-05-16 02:15:49	tpggaming2	doesnt tok mark out goals for 100% 
2021-05-16 02:16:13	Pitohui	Yeah, it does
2021-05-16 02:16:14	@Anton{Politoed}	 100%ing TOK could be something if it's like
2021-05-16 02:16:16	@Anton{Politoed}	a Thing
2021-05-16 02:16:27	@Anton{Politoed}	conceptually different than, like, 100% odyssey
2021-05-16 02:17:33	Pitohui	Well, for clarity's sake, I suppose when I say "100%", it's really about "finding every single one of all four classes of collectibles"
2021-05-16 02:17:47	Pitohui	(Though I don't feel very strongly about it one way or the other)
2021-05-16 02:17:52	@_2257	what about mario kart tour
2021-05-16 02:17:59	@_2257	that game sucks
2021-05-16 02:18:06	@_2257	surely there's something that can be added
2021-05-16 02:18:06	Lakituthequick	does it have objectives
2021-05-16 02:18:09	tpggaming2	mario odyssey definitely rewards 100% completion more than TOK does 
2021-05-16 02:18:32	Smasher	worst game objective: downloading mario kart tour
2021-05-16 02:18:36	tpggaming2	you get the top hat on the castle, the new bowser fight, golden sail
2021-05-16 02:19:03	tpggaming2	extra picture in the credits 
2021-05-16 02:19:38	Lakituthequick	i have unlocked exactly 0 of these
2021-05-16 02:19:43	tpggaming2	if theres room in the award definition for something like that, i think 999 power moons is a better fit than 100%ing TOK
2021-05-16 02:19:58	tpggaming2	theres a document for award definitions right
2021-05-16 02:20:07	Lakituthequick	I just posted F12's
2021-05-16 02:20:07	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43693/
2021-05-16 02:20:10	Pitohui	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43693/
2021-05-16 02:20:13	Pitohui	Oh, beaten to it
2021-05-16 02:20:25	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm open to 999 power moons
2021-05-16 02:20:26	tpggaming2	dont have perms to view that
2021-05-16 02:20:39	@Anton{Politoed}	have achieved it, can confirm there's parts that suck and made me hate the game
2021-05-16 02:20:44	@Anton{Politoed}	oh rip
2021-05-16 02:20:46	@Anton{Politoed}	uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2021-05-16 02:21:13	Pitohui	999 Power Moons seems reasonable
2021-05-16 02:21:28	tpggaming2	and ye farming coins for 3 hours to buy the extra 100 moons is not fun and not cute 
2021-05-16 02:21:29	@Anton{Politoed}	https://pastebin.com/bBpPjNT6
2021-05-16 02:21:57	tpggaming2	"F12 - Worst Game Objective - The worst goal, challenge, objective, or quest in a game.
2021-05-16 02:21:57	tpggaming2	"
2021-05-16 02:22:23	tpggaming2	i would say 999 power moons fits within this given the substantial (but not worth it) reward at the end
2021-05-16 02:22:25	@turb	oh is 999 moons possible........
2021-05-16 02:22:36	@turb	for some reason i thought it capped at like 300 but i guess thats where i stopped caring about the game
2021-05-16 02:22:37	Smasher	getting every power moon got three write ins
2021-05-16 02:22:43	Smasher	so theres that
2021-05-16 02:22:51	@turb	we've had stuff like this on the award before and if it was a nominee it would probably see good traction
2021-05-16 02:23:02	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah, we did say the write-ins weren't compelling
2021-05-16 02:23:07	@Anton{Politoed}	but that's just on votes alone
2021-05-16 02:23:08	@_2257	theres like 800 specific objectibes 
2021-05-16 02:23:12	Smasher	thinking about it more it probably wouldnt hurt but
2021-05-16 02:23:23	@_2257	or 892 or something
2021-05-16 02:23:51	tpggaming2	892 sounds about right 
2021-05-16 02:24:06	tpggaming2	the rest you have to buy in the shop over and over again
2021-05-16 02:24:11	@_2257	yeah
2021-05-16 02:24:28	@_2257	i remember grinding coins... and then they added a way to actually get coins 
2021-05-16 02:24:35	@_2257	good times
2021-05-16 02:24:46	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Collecting all 999 Power Moons (SMO)"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-16 02:24:50	Lakituthequick	Isn't there a sublevel of Bowser's where you can grind coins
2021-05-16 02:24:54	Lakituthequick	a
2021-05-16 02:24:58	@_2257	yes, that is what i did
2021-05-16 02:25:00	Pitohui	y
2021-05-16 02:25:02	BBQ-Turtle	y
2021-05-16 02:25:02	tpggaming2	thats the one
2021-05-16 02:25:12	@_2257	but you can get them much faster with luigi
2021-05-16 02:25:16	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-16 02:25:17	@_2257	whcih wasnt added until later
2021-05-16 02:25:24	@turb	y
2021-05-16 02:25:31	Smasher	a
2021-05-16 02:25:39	@_2257	a
2021-05-16 02:25:42	Smasher	4-0-3
2021-05-16 02:25:50	Rose	a
2021-05-16 02:25:52	@Anton{Politoed}	y
2021-05-16 02:25:56	Lakituthequick	I played Luigi's like, four tiimes
2021-05-16 02:26:03	Smasher	5-0-4
2021-05-16 02:26:10	@Anton{Politoed}	I think I achieved everything with luigi
2021-05-16 02:26:14	@_2257	you can get loads of coins real fast
2021-05-16 02:26:29	@Anton{Politoed}	I think I 1000000%ed odyssey
2021-05-16 02:26:38	@_2257	and its... not the most fun ive ever had, but definitely 1000x more fun than the alternative
2021-05-16 02:26:41	@Anton{Politoed}	in order to create that scavenger hunt that like 4 people played
2021-05-16 02:26:44	Pitohui	I'm sorry Anton, but that sounds like the title of a self-help book "I Achieved Everything with Luigi, and so can You"
2021-05-16 02:27:13	@Anton{Politoed}	any other considerations for F12?
2021-05-16 02:27:19	tpggaming2	i 100%ed odyssey too but uh
2021-05-16 02:27:22	Pitohui	None from me
2021-05-16 02:27:30	tpggaming2	i didnt buy it until midway through the hint hunt
2021-05-16 02:27:35	@_2257	i 100%ed it and then they added more stuff
2021-05-16 02:28:02	@Anton{Politoed}	F13 Worst Remake (Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Advance, Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2, Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario All-Stars, Luigi's Mansion (3DS), Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey, 
2021-05-16 02:28:02	@Anton{Politoed}	New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe)
2021-05-16 02:28:14	Smasher	i stopped at the metro kingdom i think
2021-05-16 02:28:20	Lakituthequick	9) Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 - 54 - 3.25%
2021-05-16 02:28:20	Lakituthequick	10) Super Mario All-Stars - 51 - 3.07%
2021-05-16 02:28:20	Lakituthequick	11) Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2 - 40 - 2.41%
2021-05-16 02:28:20	Lakituthequick	12) O. Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS - 7 - 0.42%
2021-05-16 02:28:20	Lakituthequick	13) O. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 5 - 0.30%
2021-05-16 02:28:20	Lakituthequick	13) O. Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition - 5 - 0.30%
2021-05-16 02:28:25	@turb	bowsers fury doesnt count for this does it
2021-05-16 02:28:27	@turb	since its  a port
2021-05-16 02:28:32	@_2257	i still wish we could add something from mkt but i know nothing about specific objectives
2021-05-16 02:28:37	NinjaSquid	I guess we can add 3D All-Stars?
2021-05-16 02:28:38	@turb	i also dont
2021-05-16 02:28:39	Smasher	i dont think fury counts
2021-05-16 02:28:41	@turb	@ 22
2021-05-16 02:28:44	@turb	oh yeah 3d all stars
2021-05-16 02:28:44	Lakituthequick	F13 - Worst Remake - The worst new version or remake of a game.
2021-05-16 02:28:45	Honoka_Chaosaka	3d all stars is a port too
2021-05-16 02:28:46	Smasher	3d as does i think though
2021-05-16 02:28:47	@turb	idk
2021-05-16 02:28:52	Smasher	well maybe
2021-05-16 02:28:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think we said ports are okay though?
2021-05-16 02:28:55	Rose	Ehhhhhhh
2021-05-16 02:28:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	aren't the advance versions basically ports
2021-05-16 02:28:59	@_2257	if nsmbudx is legal 
2021-05-16 02:29:01	tpggaming2	oh if 'new version' applies then defo 3d all stars
2021-05-16 02:29:04	@_2257	how is anything not honestly
2021-05-16 02:29:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	and yeah, nsmbudx
2021-05-16 02:29:14	Smasher	i have it in mind for a different award
2021-05-16 02:29:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	so i'd be fine with just
2021-05-16 02:29:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	including ports
2021-05-16 02:29:24	@turb	imo we should also add mario maker 3ds
2021-05-16 02:29:28	@turb	we seem to have ample space for it
2021-05-16 02:29:34	Smasher	ok nsmbudx means im supporting sm3das
2021-05-16 02:29:39	Pitohui	3D-All Stars should fit here, with some of the others here
2021-05-16 02:29:42	Smasher	and mario maker makes sense too
2021-05-16 02:29:57	Rose	Something about the title of Worst Remake still bugs me in junction with 3D All-Stars
2021-05-16 02:30:13	Rose	But I think we talked about this last year and ended up with "who cares" by the end
2021-05-16 02:30:15	@Anton{Politoed}	there's only 11 nominees so let's start from the write-ins that got more votes
2021-05-16 02:30:18	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-16 02:30:21	@turb	y
2021-05-16 02:30:22	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-16 02:30:22	Pitohui	y
2021-05-16 02:30:23	Lakituthequick	i'm sure the name of this award has been discussed for hours last year
2021-05-16 02:30:24	@_2257	y
2021-05-16 02:30:24	Lakituthequick	y
2021-05-16 02:30:29	meowth	y
2021-05-16 02:30:39	Rose	y
2021-05-16 02:30:40	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-16 02:30:40	tpggaming2	could rename it to make it more port-friendly 
2021-05-16 02:30:46	meowth	7-0-0
2021-05-16 02:30:46	meowth	n
2021-05-16 02:30:48	@_2257	n
2021-05-16 02:30:49	NinjaSquid	n
2021-05-16 02:30:59	@turb	n
2021-05-16 02:31:00	Pitohui	n
2021-05-16 02:31:09	Lakituthequick	n
2021-05-16 02:31:13	meowth	0-6-0
2021-05-16 02:31:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	n
2021-05-16 02:31:19	tpggaming2	like
2021-05-16 02:31:19	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Add "Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition"? (y/n/a)
2021-05-16 02:31:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	y
2021-05-16 02:31:24	@_2257	n
2021-05-16 02:31:25	Pitohui	y
2021-05-16 02:31:26	meowth	it definitely counts but i don't think it qualifies
2021-05-16 02:31:34	Lakituthequick	a
2021-05-16 02:31:38	BBQ-Turtle	a
2021-05-16 02:31:39	@_2257	smas limited edition is the wii one right
2021-05-16 02:31:40	NinjaSquid	what is the limited edition?
2021-05-16 02:31:41	tpggaming2	'Worst Port or Remake' 
2021-05-16 02:31:42	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-16 02:31:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh
2021-05-16 02:31:42	NinjaSquid	a
2021-05-16 02:31:46	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh the WII one
2021-05-16 02:31:52	@Anton{Politoed}	that's what the write-in is
2021-05-16 02:31:53	tpggaming2	there are definitely wordier awards titles 
2021-05-16 02:31:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	for some reason i thought we were talking about 3d all stars
2021-05-16 02:31:56	NinjaSquid	the wii one?
2021-05-16 02:31:57	Honoka_Chaosaka	change my y to an n
2021-05-16 02:31:58	meowth	n, it's basically the same as smas which is already here
2021-05-16 02:31:59	@Anton{Politoed}	if there's a different version then what is it
2021-05-16 02:32:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	no i just got my wires crossed with 3d all stars for switch
2021-05-16 02:32:13	@_2257	smas for the snes presumably
2021-05-16 02:32:23	NinjaSquid	i thought it was the one with super mario world on the snes
2021-05-16 02:32:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	and thus i went "oh it's not that"
2021-05-16 02:32:36	meowth	i don't have the wii version but ive heard its just
2021-05-16 02:32:40	@turb	ill just say a
2021-05-16 02:32:44	meowth	an snes cart on a wii disc
2021-05-16 02:32:49	@Anton{Politoed}	also tpg i see you, we'll do that next
2021-05-16 02:32:50	Pitohui	It is, Smasher
2021-05-16 02:33:01	meowth	then yeah n
2021-05-16 02:33:02	@turb	the wii version is just the snes cart on the wii disc but it also had extra art stuff with it so i wasnt especially peeved
2021-05-16 02:33:19	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so do we want the snes version
2021-05-16 02:33:26	@_2257	no tbh
2021-05-16 02:33:26	@turb	they did explicitly tell us it was a snes cart on a wii disc so i may never understand th frustration
2021-05-16 02:33:33	@turb	tbh i would rather like
2021-05-16 02:33:34	Pitohui	It's already a nominee
2021-05-16 02:33:34	@_2257	its 4 games for the price of 1 and they were updated
2021-05-16 02:33:38	@turb	swap out the snes version for the wii version
2021-05-16 02:33:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	we have it 
2021-05-16 02:33:42	meowth	honestly
2021-05-16 02:33:45	meowth	yeah per turb
2021-05-16 02:33:46	@_2257	very stupid choice, idk how it gets any votes
2021-05-16 02:33:46	@Anton{Politoed}	oh gr8
2021-05-16 02:33:48	@Anton{Politoed}	wii did it
2021-05-16 02:33:56	meowth	the wii version is the real problem
2021-05-16 02:34:10	@turb	i can't really like, assume in complete good faith that people are voting snes all stars 50 times, or wii all stars, or anything
2021-05-16 02:34:18	@turb	there could be 50 people out there that really hate snes all stars
2021-05-16 02:34:21	meowth	the snes version is nearly universally agreed to be good i think so a swap makes sense
2021-05-16 02:34:39	@turb	but personally i would want the wii version to be on there since thats the one people hate, and then if someone really hates snes smas they can write that in and we'll make a swap next year
2021-05-16 02:34:42	@turb	if its needed
2021-05-16 02:34:43	@Anton{Politoed}	so y limited edition?
2021-05-16 02:34:55	Pitohui	Yes
2021-05-16 02:34:56	@turb	y limited edition on tje premise that it swaps out with the existing on eyeah
2021-05-16 02:34:59	Rose	a
2021-05-16 02:35:01	NinjaSquid	y
2021-05-16 02:35:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	a
2021-05-16 02:35:05	@Anton{Politoed}	ok let's do that
2021-05-16 02:35:08	meowth	i vote y to replacing the orginal with wii
2021-05-16 02:35:23	@_2257	a
2021-05-16 02:35:39	meowth	3-0-3 on the swap
2021-05-16 02:35:54	meowth	oh pitohui
2021-05-16 02:35:57	meowth	4-0-3
2021-05-16 02:36:20	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so definition change time
2021-05-16 02:36:38	@Anton{Politoed}	tpg's idea includes changing the award name
2021-05-16 02:36:50	@Anton{Politoed}	thoughts, feelings
2021-05-16 02:37:17	@turb	ambivalent
2021-05-16 02:37:21	Rose	I agree with TPG's idea 
2021-05-16 02:37:23	Pitohui	TPG's suggestion of "Worst Port or Remake" sounds reasonable to me
2021-05-16 02:37:40	NinjaSquid	I agree with that
2021-05-16 02:37:42	meowth	im ok with changing it to port or remake to cover our bases
2021-05-16 02:37:42	Pitohui	Avoids thorny debate on what exactly is a port versus a remake while still excluding, like, VC games
2021-05-16 02:37:48	meowth	yeah
2021-05-16 02:38:24	@turb	idk if voters have struggled with the title very much
2021-05-16 02:38:27	@_2257	nes classic
2021-05-16 02:38:37	Smasher	:fuck:
2021-05-16 02:38:56	@turb	its a bit different from biggest missed opportunity wher things are just like thrown into a pile because of the broadness of the award and generally accepted writeins
2021-05-16 02:38:59	Pitohui	What's the deal with the NES Classic?
2021-05-16 02:39:09	Rose	I know they haven't struggled but I'm still gonna be personally bothered if I see "3D All-Stars" under "Worst Remake" because 3D All-Stars is actually the furthest thing from a remake
2021-05-16 02:39:17	@_2257	:shrug: 
2021-05-16 02:39:22	@_2257	just wanted to see what people would say
2021-05-16 02:39:25	@turb	i dont really have a compelling argument to not change to it beyond "[...] or [...]" flaring up something in my brain in an awards title
2021-05-16 02:39:36	@turb	so ambivalent still
2021-05-16 02:39:47	@_2257	dont worry turb
2021-05-16 02:39:53	Pitohui	Oh, I thought you were about to drop, like "NES Classic doesn't emulate games they're all brand new remakes"
2021-05-16 02:39:59	tpggaming2	is there a word to encompass both port and remake 
2021-05-16 02:40:03	Smasher	yeah the or is going to be weird
2021-05-16 02:40:03	tpggaming2	rerelease? 
2021-05-16 02:40:08	Lakituthequick	"Worst game republication"
2021-05-16 02:40:10	Lakituthequick	?
2021-05-16 02:40:11	@turb	i thought about rerelease
2021-05-16 02:40:13	Pitohui	See, that's where I fear VC games would be on there, TPG
2021-05-16 02:40:25	@_2257	if that makes you sad, just consider that it could also be called "worst port, remake, reissue, rerelease, enhanced port, or directors cut"
2021-05-16 02:40:36	Smasher	:FUCK:
2021-05-16 02:40:38	Pitohui	Because, like, a VC game is a "rerelease" despite being unchanged from the original
2021-05-16 02:40:48	@turb	that one is so wordy that its funny
2021-05-16 02:40:53	@turb	even though im dying
2021-05-16 02:41:00	tpggaming2	i think game republication would confuse voters more than 3Dallstars being on a list of remakes
2021-05-16 02:41:00	Rose	Why is "[...] or [...]" an issue title wise
2021-05-16 02:41:34	Smasher	yeah re-release is a good word but i dont want three vc releases of super mario bros to get writeins
2021-05-16 02:41:50	Pitohui	Mario Wiki uses reissue as a catch-all
2021-05-16 02:41:51	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Reissue
2021-05-16 02:42:11	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8
2021-05-16 02:42:15	@Anton{Politoed}	informally Remake
2021-05-16 02:42:18	tpggaming2	ngl i hadnt heard of that word until now 
2021-05-16 02:42:26	Pitohui	"Every Mario game (not counting the WiiWare games) released on the Virtual Console is a port of an original game
2021-05-16 02:42:27	Pitohui	The above text is from the Super Mario Wiki and is available under a Creative Commons license. Attribution must be provided through a list of authors or a link back to the original article. Source: https://www.mariowiki.com/Reissue"
2021-05-16 02:42:32	Pitohui	How dare you say this, MarioWiki
2021-05-16 02:42:47	@Anton{Politoed}	we're going with this, with the option of maintaining Remake as it is indeed listed as something they're referred to as
2021-05-16 02:42:52	@Anton{Politoed}	albeit """"""""informal""""""""""""
2021-05-16 02:43:19	@turb	i would be ok with reissue
2021-05-16 02:43:22	@Anton{Politoed}	but we can certainly include that word soup in an updated definition
2021-05-16 02:43:33	meowth	reissue works
2021-05-16 02:43:45	Lakituthequick	"reissue" was dissussed last year https://smw.ltquick.nl/irclogs/awards20meeting5
2021-05-16 02:43:56	@Anton{Politoed}	I was about to say,. yeah
2021-05-16 02:43:57	Lakituthequick	people were generally eh about it
2021-05-16 02:44:18	Lakituthequick	recognisability and all
2021-05-16 02:44:21	@Anton{Politoed}	"[8:54:34 PM]  <@Anton{Politoed}> Remake would be more recognizable and understood by voters than Reissue"
2021-05-16 02:44:23	Pitohui	Oh, yeah, so it was
2021-05-16 02:44:24	@Anton{Politoed}	I agree with myself
2021-05-16 02:44:33	tpggaming2	i agree with what people said last year
2021-05-16 02:44:43	meowth	ok then we can just not do that then
2021-05-16 02:44:48	meowth	forgot about last year
2021-05-16 02:44:54	Rose	I just think that the issue with 3D All-Stars is that people hate it because it's literally bad emulation of an old game
2021-05-16 02:45:02	Rose	It is the exact opposite of a remake
2021-05-16 02:45:05	@turb	see i also agree with anton here from the past
2021-05-16 02:45:14	Rose	So the award title just grinds my gears a little that way
2021-05-16 02:45:21	Rose	But if we don't have an alternative everyone likes, then
2021-05-16 02:45:22	@turb	also nsmbu deluxe is hated because its a direct overpriced wii u port right
2021-05-16 02:45:23	Rose	Shrug
2021-05-16 02:45:24	@Anton{Politoed}	so let's change the definition
2021-05-16 02:45:25	@Anton{Politoed}	 F13 - Worst Remake - The worst new version or remake of a game.
2021-05-16 02:45:29	@turb	we should - yeah
2021-05-16 02:45:33	@Anton{Politoed}	keep in mind that we do include definitions now in the polls
2021-05-16 02:45:35	@Anton{Politoed}	they are visible
2021-05-16 02:45:50	tpggaming2	i think the definition works as-is honestly
2021-05-16 02:46:10	@Anton{Politoed}	could add an addendum, "This includes, blah blah blah"
2021-05-16 02:46:38	@Anton{Politoed}	but also, we don't have to !!
2021-05-16 02:46:45	@_2257	what was wrong with the emulation
2021-05-16 02:47:04	@Anton{Politoed}	if we're fine with this now that we all thought about it, we can move on
2021-05-16 02:47:19	Rose	There were a number of bugs with the emulation that weren't meant to be in the game
2021-05-16 02:47:34	Smasher	i  think im ready to move on
2021-05-16 02:47:36	Pitohui	I think I'm good without changes here, in light of what's been discussed
2021-05-16 02:47:37	Rose	Like the pathing of floating blocks indicated by dots in Sunshine that aren't in the actual release
2021-05-16 02:47:51	@_2257	o
2021-05-16 02:47:57	@turb	im fine with moving on and like, revisiting adding shit to the description
2021-05-16 02:47:59	tpggaming2	i agree with rose that 3Dallstars isnt a remake but i think all the other options beyond adding an addendum to the definition would be more confusing  
2021-05-16 02:48:12	@Anton{Politoed}	F14 Worst Setting (Subcon (SMB2), Starship Mario & galaxies (SMG2), Mushroom Kingdom (SM3DL), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT), Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT), Party Cube (MP4), Star Carnival (MP8), Shroom City (MPA), Party Islands (MP:IT), Egg Island (YNI), Transformed Wario Castle (WW), 
2021-05-16 02:48:12	@Anton{Politoed}	DK Isles/Crocodile Isle (DK64), The Fun Fair & surrounding areas (MPL), Mushroom Kingdom (PM:SS))
2021-05-16 02:48:23	Lakituthequick	14) Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT) - 35 - 2.36%
2021-05-16 02:48:23	Lakituthequick	15) Starship Mario & galaxies (SMG2) - 33 - 2.22%
2021-05-16 02:48:23	Lakituthequick	16) Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT) - 27 - 1.82%
2021-05-16 02:48:23	Lakituthequick	17) O. Prism Island (PM:CS) - 4 - 0.27%
2021-05-16 02:48:23	Lakituthequick	18) O. Koopa Hotels (HM) - 3 - 0.20%
2021-05-16 02:48:46	Smasher	:woman_shrugging:
2021-05-16 02:49:00	NinjaSquid	eh
2021-05-16 02:49:04	Pitohui	Nothing new sticks out as being bad and none of the write-ins catch my eye with those numbers
2021-05-16 02:49:22	Smasher	i dont have anything to suggest here
2021-05-16 02:49:23	tpggaming2	bowser fury had one location and it was fine
2021-05-16 02:49:38	Smasher	lake lapcat was acceptable
2021-05-16 02:49:38	Lakituthequick	I could mention TOK but that world is excellent imo so I don't support adding it
2021-05-16 02:49:42	@_2257	earth (mario kart tour)
2021-05-16 02:50:03	NinjaSquid	your living room (Mario Kart Live) :P
2021-05-16 02:50:21	@Anton{Politoed}	F15 Most Disappointing Game (New Super Mario Bros. 2, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Yoshi's New Island, Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games, Mario Party 10, Super Paper Mario, Mario Party 9, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition, Super Mario 64 DS, Mario Party: Island Tour, Super Mario Sunshine, 
2021-05-16 02:50:21	@Anton{Politoed}	Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS, Super Mario 3D World  + Bowser's Fury, Yoshi's Crafted World, Super Mario Party, Mario Kart Tour)
2021-05-16 02:50:23	Smasher	my house is my least favorite setting
2021-05-16 02:50:30	Smasher	so
2021-05-16 02:50:32	Lakituthequick	16) Mario Party: Island Tour - 32 - 1.67%
2021-05-16 02:50:32	Lakituthequick	17) Super Mario 64 DS - 24 - 1.25%
2021-05-16 02:50:32	Lakituthequick	18) Super Mario 3D World - 22 - 1.15%
2021-05-16 02:50:32	Lakituthequick	19) O. Mario Party: The Top 100 - 13 - 0.68%
2021-05-16 02:50:32	Lakituthequick	20) O. Paper Mario: Color Splash - 8 - 0.42%
2021-05-16 02:50:32	Lakituthequick	20) O. Super Mario Odyssey - 8 - 0.42%
2021-05-16 02:50:43	Smasher	NOW i think i want to ask about 3das
2021-05-16 02:50:46	tpggaming2	ok 
2021-05-16 02:50:48	@Anton{Politoed}	 1) Paper Mario: Sticker Star - 496 - 25.93% 2) Mario Kart Tour - 241 - 12.60%
2021-05-16 02:50:49	tpggaming2	how about 
2021-05-16 02:51:01	tpggaming2	that 3d all stars game huh
2021-05-16 02:51:04	Smasher	yeah
2021-05-16 02:51:06	@Anton{Politoed}	top 100 did really well
2021-05-16 02:51:16	Rose	That's what I was thinking @ anton
2021-05-16 02:51:18	Smasher	i liked it but there's definitely problems
2021-05-16 02:51:20	Pitohui	3D-All Stars as an addition, Top 100 as a swap (if needed?) feels right to me here
2021-05-16 02:51:26	Smasher	im going to say
2021-05-16 02:51:28	@Anton{Politoed}	no space
2021-05-16 02:51:30	Lakituthequick	You can drop 64DS and 3DW and add those two
2021-05-16 02:51:35	Smasher	kill 3d world and 64d-
2021-05-16 02:51:37	Smasher	thanks
2021-05-16 02:51:44	Pitohui	Yeah, per Smasher and LTQ
2021-05-16 02:51:46	Smasher	yeah ltq's suggestion is mine
2021-05-16 02:51:49	tpggaming2	ye
2021-05-16 02:51:52	@turb	per all of that
2021-05-16 02:51:57	Lakituthequick	this mailbox is mine
2021-05-16 02:51:59	NinjaSquid	per
2021-05-16 02:52:01	@Anton{Politoed}	which one
2021-05-16 02:52:02	Lakituthequick	and this triangular sign
2021-05-16 02:52:08	@Anton{Politoed}	re: all stars
2021-05-16 02:52:09	Smasher	top 100 did super well as a write in
2021-05-16 02:52:12	@Anton{Politoed}	what's the full name
2021-05-16 02:52:20	Pitohui	Super Mario 3D-All Stars
2021-05-16 02:52:21	Rose	Super Mario 3D All-Stars
2021-05-16 02:52:22	NinjaSquid	Super Mario 3D All-Stars
2021-05-16 02:52:22	Smasher	Super Mario 3D All-Stars
2021-05-16 02:52:23	Lakituthequick	Super Mario 3D All-Stars
2021-05-16 02:52:33	Smasher	Super Mario 3D All-Stars\
2021-05-16 02:52:37	@_2257	i think it's Super Mario 3D All-Stars
2021-05-16 02:52:38	tpggaming2	Mario's 3D Stars
2021-05-16 02:52:42	Rose	The one time Pitohui has ever ninja'd me 
2021-05-16 02:52:56	Pitohui	The roles have been reversed...
2021-05-16 02:52:59	NinjaSquid	and the ninja not being fast enough
2021-05-16 02:53:01	Lakituthequick	yes, but pito did miss the dash
2021-05-16 02:53:02	Rose	Trick Room
2021-05-16 02:53:07	@Anton{Politoed}	like, is that is
2021-05-16 02:53:08	Smasher	its ok pito actually got it wrong
2021-05-16 02:53:11	@Anton{Politoed}	no need for clarification on system
2021-05-16 02:53:14	@Anton{Politoed}	it*
2021-05-16 02:53:22	Smasher	yeah that's it
2021-05-16 02:53:23	Pitohui	Oh, I put the dash in the wrong place
2021-05-16 02:53:30	Rose	Victory is still mine
2021-05-16 02:53:30	NinjaSquid	you won rose
2021-05-16 02:53:34	Pitohui	And, no, it's only Switch, and it's pretty clear
2021-05-16 02:53:37	Smasher	there's no other game called 3d all-stars
2021-05-16 02:53:44	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8
2021-05-16 02:53:45	tpggaming2	yeah there arent any other similar games on different systems 
2021-05-16 02:53:58	Smasher	distinct enough from the snes/wii one
2021-05-16 02:53:59	@Anton{Politoed}	oh i got confused
2021-05-16 02:54:02	@Anton{Politoed}	is this the uhhhhhhh
2021-05-16 02:54:04	@Anton{Politoed}	mario dies one
2021-05-16 02:54:07	Pitohui	Yes
2021-05-16 02:54:07	Smasher	yeah
2021-05-16 02:54:10	Lakituthequick	ye
2021-05-16 02:54:11	@Anton{Politoed}	ok!
2021-05-16 02:54:15	Smasher	the one that just got pulled from everything
2021-05-16 02:54:21	Lakituthequick	something something Jim
2021-05-16 02:54:26	Smasher	that i can still find at wallmart easily
2021-05-16 02:54:28	@_2257	actually would mario 35 be a choice
2021-05-16 02:54:42	Smasher	i dunno
2021-05-16 02:54:44	Pitohui	Did people not like the game or just that it was taken away, 22?
2021-05-16 02:54:48	Rose	Mario 35 was a pretty lame experience
2021-05-16 02:54:53	Pitohui	I thought people liked the game itself, on the whole
2021-05-16 02:54:57	tpggaming2	i never heard much disappointment with that game beyond 'bluh limited release' 
2021-05-16 02:54:58	@_2257	ceasing to exist after 6 months would be pretty disappointing if you liked it
2021-05-16 02:55:00	NinjaSquid	yeah same here pito
2021-05-16 02:55:09	Smasher	i thought it was a good game, i just wish it stopped existing
2021-05-16 02:55:21	Rose	I'm gonna be real Shoey is the only person I know who- oh
2021-05-16 02:55:26	Smasher	but we COULD kill island tour too if people feel strongly about this?
2021-05-16 02:55:27	Pitohui	For the record, Nintendo deserves immense shame and punishment for arbitrarily taking it down
2021-05-16 02:55:41	Pitohui	But I don't think I've heard much bad about the game itself
2021-05-16 02:55:46	Smasher	oh
2021-05-16 02:55:58	tpggaming2	but i think if someones gonna vote for a game for being a limited release theyre gonna go for 3d all stars instead of mario 35
2021-05-16 02:55:59	Smasher	i just wish it DIDNT stop existing*
2021-05-16 02:56:08	Smasher	yeah that
2021-05-16 02:56:16	Smasher	and 3das has more obvious other problems
2021-05-16 02:56:33	Smasher	lack of smg2, kind of barebones, _ emulation at the top of my head
2021-05-16 02:56:53	Pitohui	3DAS was actually disappointing as a game, for people expecting any effort to be put into polishing the classic titles for Mario's 35th
2021-05-16 02:57:26	NinjaSquid	A full remaster of Super Mario Sunshine would have been awesome :(
2021-05-16 02:57:40	@Anton{Politoed}	super princess peach 2 :(
2021-05-16 02:57:49	@Anton{Politoed}	with a special area dedicated to giving giant kamek a hug
2021-05-16 02:58:01	@turb	i agree
2021-05-16 02:58:17	Lakituthequick	Kamek
2021-05-16 02:58:20	NinjaSquid	kamek should get more spotlight
2021-05-16 02:58:28	Pitohui	Vote for Kamek
2021-05-16 02:58:29	Smasher	super princess kamerk
2021-05-16 02:58:33	Smasher	-r
2021-05-16 02:58:49	@Anton{Politoed}	alright so this completes Fail except for forum threads
2021-05-16 02:58:56	@Anton{Politoed}	conveniently at around the hour mark
2021-05-16 02:59:09	Smasher	we dont need to vote on those two swaps right
2021-05-16 02:59:18	@Anton{Politoed}	already did it
2021-05-16 02:59:21	Smasher	i think everyone was basically in agreement
2021-05-16 02:59:23	Smasher	gr8
2021-05-16 02:59:25	@Anton{Politoed}	 -Favorite Game Mechanic
2021-05-16 02:59:25	@Anton{Politoed}	 -Favorite Merchandise
2021-05-16 02:59:29	@Anton{Politoed}	 -Favorite Mario Party Board
2021-05-16 02:59:33	@Anton{Politoed}	 -Most Shameless Cash-Grab
2021-05-16 02:59:36	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/
2021-05-16 03:00:08	@Anton{Politoed}	awards up for removal/replacement are M22 Favorite Battle Course, M23 Favorite Capture, and M24 Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss, F11 Biggest Missed Opportunity
2021-05-16 03:00:34	@Anton{Politoed}	while there is discussion of which ones may be stronger or weaker new awards, is anyone really feeling that any of the new ones are WORSE than the current ones?
2021-05-16 03:00:51	@Anton{Politoed}	if so, we can then organize priority
2021-05-16 03:00:55	@Anton{Politoed}	if not, then it doesn't matter
2021-05-16 03:01:23	Pitohui	The only one that feels questionable to me if Favorite Mario Party Board in comparison to Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss
2021-05-16 03:01:32	Pitohui	*is, not if
2021-05-16 03:02:09	@_2257	i think im experiencing lag
2021-05-16 03:02:21	@Anton{Politoed}	rip
2021-05-16 03:02:46	Smasher	i definitely want to swap out bc and capture i think
2021-05-16 03:02:54	@turb	yeah i agree with bc and capture
2021-05-16 03:02:57	Smasher	i kind of like all three new ideas
2021-05-16 03:03:01	Pitohui	Yeah, those ones I definitely want to swap
2021-05-16 03:03:04	@turb	i kind of want to keep lm boss around as an emergency "kill it" for next year but like
2021-05-16 03:03:06	@turb	i dunno
2021-05-16 03:03:13	@turb	i think, in the end, i might want to have game mechanic and mario party board
2021-05-16 03:03:14	Pitohui	See, that's kind of my thinking, Turb
2021-05-16 03:03:20	@turb	i like all three though
2021-05-16 03:03:27	Smasher	merchandise is probably the one that might be the least appealing to voters
2021-05-16 03:03:36	@turb	the thing about merchandise is that as nintendo world picks up more it might become more relevant to the voterbase??
2021-05-16 03:03:36	Smasher	i personally like it more than board
2021-05-16 03:03:41	Pitohui	I'm like "LM3 is still less than a year old, might be right to kill that one next year and save MP Board as a replacement"
2021-05-16 03:03:42	@turb	idk what the plans are for 2022
2021-05-16 03:03:45	Smasher	but im not sure
2021-05-16 03:03:54	Smasher	thats true turb
2021-05-16 03:04:02	tpggaming2	most shameless cash grab opens up a placement for mario kart tour :)
2021-05-16 03:04:12	Pitohui	*less than two years
2021-05-16 03:04:16	Smasher	mkt is like the first nominee
2021-05-16 03:04:25	@Anton{Politoed}	I'll just say
2021-05-16 03:04:26	Pitohui	Yeah, MKT is on there, TPG
2021-05-16 03:04:28	@Anton{Politoed}	F11 rework is happening
2021-05-16 03:04:31	@Anton{Politoed}	so it's on the other 3
2021-05-16 03:05:05	@Anton{Politoed}	battle course and capture seem to have no one fighting to save them
2021-05-16 03:05:16	Smasher	yeah i think we can definitely cut those two
2021-05-16 03:05:21	Pitohui	They should go
2021-05-16 03:05:29	@Anton{Politoed}	so it's time to make for an incredibly confusing vote for smasher to deal with
2021-05-16 03:05:31	Lakituthequick	i like bc but am not protecting it
2021-05-16 03:05:34	Smasher	it doesnt seem like anyone really has objections to game mechanic
2021-05-16 03:05:37	Smasher	:FUCK:
2021-05-16 03:06:26	Lakituthequick	oh boy, it's one of those "vote for two" things isn't it
2021-05-16 03:06:35	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Game Mechanic (1), Merchandise (2), MP Board (3), please place in order from top priority to lowest (i.e. 123, 231, 321, etc.)
2021-05-16 03:06:55	Pitohui	123
2021-05-16 03:06:55	Lakituthequick	oh boy, this is even worse
2021-05-16 03:06:56	tpggaming2	haha
2021-05-16 03:06:56	NinjaSquid	132
2021-05-16 03:06:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	3, 2, 1 
2021-05-16 03:07:00	@Anton{Politoed}	:)
2021-05-16 03:07:07	@_2257	312
2021-05-16 03:07:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	also regarding F11
2021-05-16 03:07:09	BBQ-Turtle	1, 3, 2
2021-05-16 03:07:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	i like pitohui's name for it
2021-05-16 03:07:16	Lakituthequick	321
2021-05-16 03:07:19	Smasher	i hate this a lot
2021-05-16 03:07:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	it makes it formal while still pointing out "this is actual bullshit"
2021-05-16 03:07:23	Smasher	132
2021-05-16 03:07:24	Rose	1 2 3
2021-05-16 03:07:25	@Anton{Politoed}	so let's treat it this way smasher
2021-05-16 03:07:27	@Anton{Politoed}	shroom votes
2021-05-16 03:07:34	@Anton{Politoed}	 1st gets 5 points, 2nd gets 3, 3rd gets 1
2021-05-16 03:07:40	Smasher	good idea
2021-05-16 03:07:43	Smasher	one moment
2021-05-16 03:07:58	Lakituthequick	take this moment to vote for polls if you haven´ t allready
2021-05-16 03:08:04	@turb	132
2021-05-16 03:08:05	Lakituthequick	:IVoted:
2021-05-16 03:08:14	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm sure there's a better democratic method but also I don't care, this is purely for visualization and not necessarily official
2021-05-16 03:08:23	@Anton{Politoed}	also, 132
2021-05-16 03:08:49	Lakituthequick	it's funny you say 'shroom votes actually
2021-05-16 03:09:00	Lakituthequick	since we abolished this system a couple months ago
2021-05-16 03:09:05	Smasher	40-18-34
2021-05-16 03:09:07	Smasher	i THINK
2021-05-16 03:09:08	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah !!
2021-05-16 03:09:28	Smasher	whatever it is, mechanic and mp board are definitely the winners
2021-05-16 03:09:37	Smasher	merchandise is overwhelmingly the lose
2021-05-16 03:09:39	Smasher	r
2021-05-16 03:09:45	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so this makes it kinda clear, Merchandise vs. LM Boss
2021-05-16 03:09:48	@Anton{Politoed}	the other two are in
2021-05-16 03:10:14	Smasher	i could go either way
2021-05-16 03:10:15	Rose	I would like to personally propose that Mechanic becomes the next M23 because slotting Mechanic, which has Capture in it as an option, into the old Capture poll would make my brain go brrrr
2021-05-16 03:10:16	@Anton{Politoed}	I was the one who proposed Favorite Merchandise so I guess I have a stake in this
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2021-05-16 03:10:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	i like rose's idea
2021-05-16 03:10:52	@turb	same
2021-05-16 03:11:00	@Anton{Politoed}	BBQ-Turtle had a critique  https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2271778
2021-05-16 03:11:02	Smasher	works for me
2021-05-16 03:11:15	BBQ-Turtle	I still think Luigi's Mansion boss is worth keeping one more year just for the shakeup the new nominees will cause. I think Fishook's probably going to place quite high if nothing else.
2021-05-16 03:11:33	@Anton{Politoed}	"I just think the merchandise one is a bit too far-reaching, and even if you start grouping things up there's still goodness knows how many different pieces and groups of merchandise that could be included for this award. I don't imagine the write-ins would be too favourable either and defining it would be quite hard. It also raises the question of where we 
2021-05-16 03:11:33	Pitohui	I like Merchandise but I do think BBQ's critique is valid and I would prefer to keep Luigi's Mansion boss over it
2021-05-16 03:11:35	@Anton{Politoed}	draw the line of merchandise- would things like Super Mario-kun and other books count? I don't think it's impossible to get working, but I just can't quite see how to get it there myself."
2021-05-16 03:12:18	@_2257	do we have/have we ever had an award for alternate media
2021-05-16 03:12:23	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm for Merchandise as it represents a facet of the franchise that we have yet to consider
2021-05-16 03:12:44	Rose	Ultimately I don't have too much of a preference between LMB and Merchandise, but if the task of whittling down Merchandise is too laborious I'm willing to stick with LMB 
2021-05-16 03:12:47	@Anton{Politoed}	and I can't recall, 22
2021-05-16 03:13:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	we did
2021-05-16 03:13:03	@Anton{Politoed}	if the question is labor, it's literally me who has to deal with that
2021-05-16 03:13:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	long ago
2021-05-16 03:13:06	@Anton{Politoed}	and I absolutely don't care
2021-05-16 03:13:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	but it was Worst
2021-05-16 03:13:12	@Anton{Politoed}	I have to do a ton of work on all of this regardless
2021-05-16 03:13:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	we had Worst Other Medium but it always only got a piddling amount of votes
2021-05-16 03:13:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	and it was eventually cut for that reason
2021-05-16 03:13:24	@Anton{Politoed}	so if that's your deciding factor, instead find another deciding factor
2021-05-16 03:13:35	BBQ-Turtle	I think sometimes non-game stuff is thrown in on other awards, but I'm not aware of a non-game entirely award myself.
2021-05-16 03:14:04	Smasher	i completely forgot about worst other medium
2021-05-16 03:14:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh we also had favorite other medium from 2007-2009
2021-05-16 03:14:21	@_2257	too bad super mario kun and stuff like thatnever gets localised 
2021-05-16 03:14:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	also worst got cut in part because
2021-05-16 03:14:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	as you can probably guess
2021-05-16 03:14:28	@Anton{Politoed}	the new F11 is taking into account merchandise, just in a Fail context
2021-05-16 03:14:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	it was always overwhelmingly the movie
2021-05-16 03:14:48	Pitohui	Didn't Super Mario Kun get a localized compilation recently, 22?
2021-05-16 03:14:53	@turb	i guess we're kind of dealing with two awards with a smaller than average interest pool
2021-05-16 03:15:02	@turb	not everyone has played lm games and not everyone is familiar with the merch
2021-05-16 03:15:05	@_2257	yes but it was like a tiny part of it
2021-05-16 03:15:07	Smasher	pretty much
2021-05-16 03:15:11	@_2257	and not even complete stories afaik
2021-05-16 03:15:15	@_2257	just like highlights
2021-05-16 03:15:19	Pitohui	I see
2021-05-16 03:15:23	BBQ-Turtle	It was a selection of a couple of chapters from several books.
2021-05-16 03:15:24	@Anton{Politoed}	i agree turb
2021-05-16 03:15:35	@Anton{Politoed}	i haven't played any luigi's mansion, but my morton plush is cute and huggable
2021-05-16 03:15:40	@turb	i think, thinking about that alone, im willing to take the chance on merchandise
2021-05-16 03:15:53	@turb	i'm really OK either way on them though
2021-05-16 03:15:54	@_2257	also they called it manga mania which is just, an extremely embarrassing name imo
2021-05-16 03:16:12	@turb	like i want to see lm boss go another year but at the same time king boo is just going to win anyway if the problem is interesting vote turnouts
2021-05-16 03:16:18	@_2257	anyway is that merch
2021-05-16 03:16:19	Smasher	i feel like merchandise is more interesting to me personally which is why im leaning in favor of a swap, but i could go either way as i could see it struggle
2021-05-16 03:16:42	@_2257	also ive already said it but i think lm boss is basically a bad award that should be cut
2021-05-16 03:17:20	@Anton{Politoed}	we could bring the award back in 2029 with the release of 4
2021-05-16 03:17:45	@turb	good plan
2021-05-16 03:18:00	Smasher	bless
2021-05-16 03:18:01	@_2257	oh yeah, i dont mean intrinsically bad
2021-05-16 03:18:11	@_2257	just, doomed to stagnate until there's a new game
2021-05-16 03:18:33	@Anton{Politoed}	anyways since I need to not be afraid to throw my weight into an option I like in an attempt to come off welcoming of other ideas
2021-05-16 03:18:49	@Anton{Politoed}	I think that if a lot of people are saying "i could go either way" then i'm gonna decide to go my way since it doesn't matter
2021-05-16 03:19:11	Smasher	i am leaning your way for what its worth
2021-05-16 03:19:21	@Anton{Politoed}	and I feel the full listing of merchandise results would be more interesting than seeing if fishook places 5th or 8th
2021-05-16 03:19:38	@turb	i can agree with that
2021-05-16 03:20:13	@Anton{Politoed}	I do acknowledge that it is kind of an open-ended award
2021-05-16 03:20:30	@Anton{Politoed}	but should it be a successful one, we can address write-ins to see how people come to understand it, and reshape it accorgindly next year
2021-05-16 03:20:35	@Anton{Politoed}	accordingly*
2021-05-16 03:20:52	@_2257	so are we doing that one right now because i have some questions
2021-05-16 03:21:06	@Anton{Politoed}	this is not to say I'm OPPOSED to an open-ended award either, we've had plenty of them before
2021-05-16 03:21:22	@Anton{Politoed}	i can take the questions, sure, but I'd like to officially vote to decide
2021-05-16 03:21:27	@Anton{Politoed}	do you want to ask before or after that
2021-05-16 03:21:35	@_2257	uhhh
2021-05-16 03:21:38	@_2257	ill wait i guess
2021-05-16 03:21:41	@Anton{Politoed}	ok
2021-05-16 03:22:27	@Anton{Politoed}	Vote: Swap in Favorite Merchandise, or keep Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss? (Swap/Keep/a)
2021-05-16 03:22:36	@_2257	s
2021-05-16 03:22:38	Pitohui	Keep
2021-05-16 03:22:47	@Anton{Politoed}	swap
2021-05-16 03:22:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	a
2021-05-16 03:23:07	BBQ-Turtle	keep
2021-05-16 03:23:07	Smasher	swap
2021-05-16 03:23:16	Lakituthequick	a
2021-05-16 03:23:46	@turb	swap
2021-05-16 03:23:49	Power_Flotzo	Keep
2021-05-16 03:24:18	Smasher	4-3-2
2021-05-16 03:24:35	@Anton{Politoed}	I can see this being too close to call
2021-05-16 03:24:40	Smasher	might be too close to call yet yeah
2021-05-16 03:24:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss Merchandise
2021-05-16 03:24:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	:hutaowobble:
2021-05-16 03:25:01	Smasher	king boo plushie wins
2021-05-16 03:25:09	@Anton{Politoed}	if not opposed to it, I can make this a poll in the General Discussion board to fish for all ac member votes, and keep it at a hard decision
2021-05-16 03:25:09	Lakituthequick	unvote
2021-05-16 03:25:12	Lakituthequick	swap
2021-05-16 03:25:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think that'd be good, anton
2021-05-16 03:25:18	Smasher	5-3-2
2021-05-16 03:25:28	NinjaSquid	swap
2021-05-16 03:25:28	Smasher	5-3-1*
2021-05-16 03:25:32	Smasher	6-3-1
2021-05-16 03:25:47	Smasher	might still be good to put it as a poll
2021-05-16 03:25:47	@Anton{Politoed}	althooooough that number seems high
2021-05-16 03:25:49	@Anton{Politoed}	 10 votes?
2021-05-16 03:25:54	@Anton{Politoed}	how many members do we have, 14?
2021-05-16 03:26:00	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh, yeah, i think it's fine to stick with it now
2021-05-16 03:26:05	Smasher	but now the swap is starting to make a run for it
2021-05-16 03:26:18	@Anton{Politoed}	I can just find those 4 peeps and get them to read logs
2021-05-16 03:26:21	@Anton{Politoed}	much more efficient use of time
2021-05-16 03:26:28	Smasher	@ rose vote
2021-05-16 03:26:36	Smasher	oh wait that might actually ping him :idfugit:
2021-05-16 03:26:40	@Anton{Politoed}	I won't pin a final decision now, but it's pending
2021-05-16 03:26:59	@Anton{Politoed}	 14 members, 8 votes any way is a decision
2021-05-16 03:27:22	@Anton{Politoed}	while that sits, let's go back to the others
2021-05-16 03:27:39	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2272574
2021-05-16 03:28:10	@Anton{Politoed}	Favorite Mario Party Board, let's tuck that in at M22
2021-05-16 03:28:29	@Anton{Politoed}	     Castaway Bay (Mario Party 6)**     Fair Square (Mario Party 6)**     Kamek's Library (Mario Party DS)     Koopa's Tycoon Town (Mario Party 8)     Magma Mine (Mario Party 9)     Neon Heights (Mario Party 7)     Pagoda Peak (Mario Party 7)     Peach's Birthday Cake (Mario Party)     Waluigi Island (Mario Party 3)*     Western Land (Mario Party 2)
2021-05-16 03:28:34	Rose	Hold on I'm getting pulled away
2021-05-16 03:28:36	@Anton{Politoed}	current nominees suggestions
2021-05-16 03:28:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	>no mario party 4 nominees
2021-05-16 03:28:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	trash award (i have only played mario party 4)
2021-05-16 03:28:52	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm taking those wholesale unless there's any opposition, but more nominees are welcome
2021-05-16 03:28:59	Smasher	5 also got shut out
2021-05-16 03:29:04	Pitohui	Okay Perch MP4 is one of my favorites but it doesn't have a single good board
2021-05-16 03:29:05	Smasher	:atwhatcost:
2021-05-16 03:29:05	Rose	My vote is abstain :idfugit:
2021-05-16 03:29:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	shy guy's jungle jam says up yours
2021-05-16 03:29:24	@Anton{Politoed}	there's only 10 nominees so the field is open
2021-05-16 03:29:27	Pitohui	Oh, okay, that's fair, I forgot about Jungle Jam
2021-05-16 03:29:34	Rose	I'm probably out for the rest of the meeting good luck folks
2021-05-16 03:29:40	Lakituthequick	With the current count I'd say do what we did for battle course
2021-05-16 03:29:52	Lakituthequick	At least 1 per game, more as seen fit
2021-05-16 03:30:03	@Anton{Politoed}	which games are missing
2021-05-16 03:30:09	@Anton{Politoed}	 4, 5
2021-05-16 03:30:13	Lakituthequick	Super
2021-05-16 03:30:24	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/King_Bob-omb%27s_Powderkeg_Mine - this one is good in Super
2021-05-16 03:30:26	NinjaSquid	10
2021-05-16 03:30:35	Lakituthequick	maybe IT
2021-05-16 03:30:56	Lakituthequick	So 4, 5, Super, Island Tour
2021-05-16 03:31:08	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8, we got 4 and IT
2021-05-16 03:31:14	NinjaSquid	and 10
2021-05-16 03:31:24	@Anton{Politoed}	is 10 with bowser mode
2021-05-16 03:31:27	@Anton{Politoed}	i love bowser mode
2021-05-16 03:31:30	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-16 03:31:31	NinjaSquid	yes
2021-05-16 03:31:31	Lakituthequick	I think so
2021-05-16 03:31:39	Lakituthequick	:bowser:
2021-05-16 03:31:49	@turb	i think there are more boards people like from 2/3
2021-05-16 03:31:57	Smasher	i have not played enough of 10 or super to comment, ill remind myself of 5 boards
2021-05-16 03:31:58	@turb	and those are probably the most played mario parties for the older generation
2021-05-16 03:32:00	@turb	and maybe ds
2021-05-16 03:32:06	@turb	idk if people actually like waluigis island or not fwiw
2021-05-16 03:32:11	Smasher	yeah 2 and 3 are maybe the most popular ones?
2021-05-16 03:32:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah i have not played the other games so
2021-05-16 03:32:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm useless until we're done
2021-05-16 03:32:25	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/Sweet_Dream - 5's best board
2021-05-16 03:32:35	Smasher	4 is my most played but thats more because of the minigames than the boards
2021-05-16 03:33:54	Lakituthequick	For formatting I suggest "Board Name (Abbr)"
2021-05-16 03:34:10	@Anton{Politoed}	was just about to ask that yeah
2021-05-16 03:34:17	Smasher	good idea
2021-05-16 03:34:56	BBQ-Turtle	If we're looking to add nominees for 10 and Island Tour, I'd hazard a guess at Whimsical Waters being the one to pick for 10 and maybe Shy Guy's Shuffle City for Island Tour? I think a lot of people like it despite it being download play exclusive.
2021-05-16 03:35:21	Lakituthequick	DP-exlusive boards, that's a new one
2021-05-16 03:35:31	Power_Flotzo	For?
2021-05-16 03:35:36	NinjaSquid	whimsical waters was a good one in 10
2021-05-16 03:35:39	Pitohui	Oh, yeah, Shuffle City is a good one
2021-05-16 03:36:41	Smasher	favorite mp board flotzo
2021-05-16 03:36:49	Smasher	we're killing battle course for this
2021-05-16 03:37:20	@Anton{Politoed}	(Castaway Bay (MP6), Fair Square (MP6), Kamek's Library (MPDS), Koopa's Tycoon Town (MP8), Magma Mine (MP9), Neon Heights (MP7), Pagoda Peak (MP7), Peach's Birthday Cake (MP), Waluigi Island (MP3), Western Land (MP2), Shy Guy’s Jungle Jam (MP4), King Bob-omb's Powderkeg Mine (SMP), Sweet Dream (MP5), Shy Guy’s Shuffle City (MP:IT), Whimsical Waters (MP10))
2021-05-16 03:37:22	@Anton{Politoed}	current listing
2021-05-16 03:37:35	@Anton{Politoed}	 15
2021-05-16 03:37:48	Pitohui	Am I blind or is the original MP not represented
2021-05-16 03:37:49	Lakituthequick	couple of 's
2021-05-16 03:37:54	Pitohui	Did that one have any good Boards
2021-05-16 03:37:58	@turb	peach's birthday cake
2021-05-16 03:38:00	@turb	that one is on there
2021-05-16 03:38:06	Pitohui	Oh, grand
2021-05-16 03:38:09	Pitohui	I am blind
2021-05-16 03:38:10	NinjaSquid	peach bir- yeah
2021-05-16 03:38:11	@turb	thats also the only one without boo so it was the only one i felt comfortable suggesting LOL
2021-05-16 03:38:32	@Anton{Politoed}	are we ' or ’
2021-05-16 03:38:38	Lakituthequick	former
2021-05-16 03:38:42	@Anton{Politoed}	google docs isn't distinguishing when i type
2021-05-16 03:38:52	BBQ-Turtle	We do seem to be lacking one from Star Rush but I don't think any of the boards there were anything to write home about. I thought they were all pretty samey.
2021-05-16 03:39:25	Smasher	i forgot star rush existed to be completely honest
2021-05-16 03:39:34	Lakituthequick	I believe only the Shy Guy ones had it
2021-05-16 03:39:43	Lakituthequick	Will recheck it for full review anyway
2021-05-16 03:39:48	NinjaSquid	i don't think there was boards like normal mario parties
2021-05-16 03:39:55	NinjaSquid	in Star Rush i mean
2021-05-16 03:40:17	NinjaSquid	i may be mistaken though
2021-05-16 03:41:16	BBQ-Turtle	Yeah, they have boards but they aren't exactly like the other ones. Still may be worth some consideration though.
2021-05-16 03:41:39	@Anton{Politoed}	idk any of them though
2021-05-16 03:41:43	@Anton{Politoed}	has anyone played it
2021-05-16 03:41:49	Pitohui	Not me
2021-05-16 03:41:57	Lakituthequick	i have only ever played like
2021-05-16 03:41:59	Lakituthequick	DS and Super
2021-05-16 03:42:03	BBQ-Turtle	I have but not much and not a fan.
2021-05-16 03:42:12	@turb	ive only played ds and 8 and the first 3 over netplay
2021-05-16 03:42:16	Pitohui	I started giving up on MP around that time until Super came out
2021-05-16 03:42:21	NinjaSquid	i played it once
2021-05-16 03:42:22	@turb	im not sure anyone alive has played star rush
2021-05-16 03:42:25	NinjaSquid	can't remember much
2021-05-16 03:42:37	BBQ-Turtle	I think I'm alive?
2021-05-16 03:43:03	Smasher	i am not alive but i have not yet acquired either 3ds party game
2021-05-16 03:43:11	Lakituthequick	Are you though 🤔
2021-05-16 03:43:13	@turb	i stand corrected
2021-05-16 03:43:32	Smasher	only one person alive has played star rush
2021-05-16 03:43:35	Smasher	congrats bbq
2021-05-16 03:43:43	BBQ-Turtle	I don't know, I never seem to have a pulse.
2021-05-16 03:43:54	Power_Flotzo	Make that two.
2021-05-16 03:44:03	Lakituthequick	gasp
2021-05-16 03:44:17	Pitohui	The Star Rush fandom emerges
2021-05-16 03:44:33	Smasher	i am horrified
2021-05-16 03:44:34	Pitohui	[s]and it's somehow larger than half the fandoms I'm in[/s]
2021-05-16 03:45:33	Smasher	all this is doing is making me slowly realize how many 3ds mario games i didnt get
2021-05-16 03:45:42	@Anton{Politoed}	well
2021-05-16 03:45:48	@Anton{Politoed}	i'll leave this award where it is right now
2021-05-16 03:45:52	@Anton{Politoed}	pending a star rush nominee
2021-05-16 03:46:27	@Anton{Politoed}	M23 Favorite Game Mechanic
2021-05-16 03:47:33	BBQ-Turtle	(Sorry to be late but if people really want one for Star Rush I'd just guess World 3-1 as I can actually remember that being better than some of the other ones. I really don't know though.)
2021-05-16 03:47:33	@Anton{Politoed}	     Transformation Caps (Super Mario 64 DS)     F.L.U.D.D. (Super Mario Sunshine)     Gravity (Super Mario Galaxy)     Cappy/Captures (Super Mario Odyssey)     Countering/Dodging (Mario & Luigi series)     Badges (Paper Mario series)     Badges (Mario & Luigi series)     Kart Customization (Mario Kart series)     Elements (Luigi's Mansion)     
2021-05-16 03:47:35	@Anton{Politoed}	Poltergust (Luigi's Mansion series) Gooigi (Luigi's Mansion 3) Throwing Eggs (Yoshi series) Partners (Paper Mario series)
2021-05-16 03:47:52	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2271776
2021-05-16 03:47:56	@Anton{Politoed}	taking this post into consideration
2021-05-16 03:48:21	Pitohui	Yeah, Rose's suggestions there were all solid and I endorse them wholesale
2021-05-16 03:48:59	@Anton{Politoed}	vibes :pgp:
2021-05-16 03:49:17	@turb	i agree, put in vibes
2021-05-16 03:49:22	@turb	i unironically enjoyed those a lot
2021-05-16 03:49:46	Pitohui	It's been ages since I played SPP but I don't see a reason to exclude them
2021-05-16 03:50:05	@Anton{Politoed}	i think they're on a fail award lol
2021-05-16 03:50:14	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah
2021-05-16 03:50:15	BBQ-Turtle	I think they're generally quite popular.
2021-05-16 03:50:17	@Anton{Politoed}	Worst Game Mechanic LOL
2021-05-16 03:50:21	@turb	too bad
2021-05-16 03:50:27	Smasher	rip
2021-05-16 03:50:31	Lakituthequick	15) Vibes (SPP) - 20 - 1.06%
2021-05-16 03:50:32	@turb	i want to see if people like them like i do
2021-05-16 03:50:32	tpggaming2	lmao
2021-05-16 03:50:37	@turb	oh good, most people dont actually hate them
2021-05-16 03:50:41	@Anton{Politoed}	 15) Vibes (SPP) - 20 - 1.06%
2021-05-16 03:50:42	Smasher	thats pretty low yeah
2021-05-16 03:50:43	@turb	more reason to put them here
2021-05-16 03:50:43	Pitohui	Vibes were more bad conceptually than mechanically
2021-05-16 03:50:45	@Anton{Politoed}	adding vibes
2021-05-16 03:51:06	Smasher	i otherwise support the other nominations mentioned
2021-05-16 03:51:28	@turb	i do agree with all of rose's revamp suggestions in the linked post btw
2021-05-16 03:51:34	@Anton{Politoed}	any other suggestions for this?  otherwise I'll compile it into an easy-to-read listing after the meeting
2021-05-16 03:51:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	i got nothing
2021-05-16 03:52:03	Pitohui	I don't have anything to add to it
2021-05-16 03:52:05	NinjaSquid	nothing here as well
2021-05-16 03:52:07	@turb	nothing i can think of
2021-05-16 03:52:25	Smasher	yeah i agreed with adding the double dash racers and anti gravity and the revamps and then im set
2021-05-16 03:52:29	@_2257	idk do people like bros attacks 
2021-05-16 03:52:39	BBQ-Turtle	Unless people are desperate for the sports stuff then I think it's a pretty good set.
2021-05-16 03:52:48	@turb	oh yeah fuck i forgot bros attacks
2021-05-16 03:52:51	@_2257	personally i think badges in m&l are a super weak nominee
2021-05-16 03:52:52	@turb	honestly those are probably cooler than the badges
2021-05-16 03:52:54	@turb	yeah
2021-05-16 03:53:00	NinjaSquid	oh yeah bros. attack
2021-05-16 03:53:06	NinjaSquid	those are fun
2021-05-16 03:53:07	Pitohui	Bros Attacks/Special Attacks in M&L is good
2021-05-16 03:53:25	Smasher	oh bros attacks
2021-05-16 03:53:35	@turb	bros items in pit i think
2021-05-16 03:53:36	Smasher	yeah we can swap out m&l badges for those
2021-05-16 03:53:48	Pitohui	Curse PiT for giving them a third name
2021-05-16 03:53:55	Smasher	i honestly didnt see that because my mind defaults to paper mario
2021-05-16 03:54:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	m&l badges are barely a thing anyway
2021-05-16 03:54:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm down for cutting them
2021-05-16 03:55:00	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so F11   https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2272597
2021-05-16 03:55:06	Lakituthequick	:fear:
2021-05-16 03:55:13	@Anton{Politoed}	i'm still feeling Most Shameless Cash-Grab
2021-05-16 03:55:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	i like pitohui's title for it myself
2021-05-16 03:55:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	and would rather go with that
2021-05-16 03:55:27	@turb	same as anton
2021-05-16 03:55:27	@Anton{Politoed}	it's fitting for a slimy practice
2021-05-16 03:55:27	Lakituthequick	per
2021-05-16 03:55:41	tpggaming2	whats pitohui's suggestion
2021-05-16 03:55:42	Lakituthequick	per pito/perch I mean
2021-05-16 03:55:46	Lakituthequick	Most Reviled Business Practice
2021-05-16 03:55:47	Honoka_Chaosaka	Most Reviled Business Practice 
2021-05-16 03:55:48	@turb	im not really feeling most reviled business practice
2021-05-16 03:55:53	@turb	like
2021-05-16 03:55:54	@Anton{Politoed}	that sounds too formal
2021-05-16 03:55:58	tpggaming2	reviled is a bit much
2021-05-16 03:56:00	tpggaming2	i think
2021-05-16 03:56:02	@Anton{Politoed}	big words kids won't understand
2021-05-16 03:56:07	@turb	i guess this is still a thing about "professionalizing" the award but i think we should just be up front with most shameless cash-grab
2021-05-16 03:56:14	@turb	that's basically what it is
2021-05-16 03:56:16	@_2257	i dont know if i have a problem with the formality but it kind of sounds like 
2021-05-16 03:56:17	@turb	nintendo not having any shame
2021-05-16 03:56:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	i also think the thing about cash grab is 
2021-05-16 03:56:24	BBQ-Turtle	Is reviled a well-enough known word? I've just had to look it up myself.
2021-05-16 03:56:25	@_2257	you should vote for the one that's most complained about
2021-05-16 03:56:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	it kind of excludes a couple of shitty business practices
2021-05-16 03:56:32	@_2257	rather than your personal feelings
2021-05-16 03:56:40	@Anton{Politoed}	I can see that blocky, yeah
2021-05-16 03:56:41	Pitohui	That's a concern I share too, Perch
2021-05-16 03:56:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	and i'd rather be able to put as much of nintendo's fuckery on there as we can
2021-05-16 03:57:01	@_2257	shittiest nintendoism
2021-05-16 03:57:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	cash-grab feels like it limits it to SPECIFICALLY moneymaking ones
2021-05-16 03:57:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	so for example fangame takedowns are hard to tie into cash grab but they really deserve to be an ominee
2021-05-16 03:57:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	*a nominee
2021-05-16 03:57:36	tpggaming2	Worst Business Practice?
2021-05-16 03:57:37	@Anton{Politoed}	while I want to make a decision I do ultimately feel limited by edo's absence in this discussion
2021-05-16 03:57:44	Lakituthequick	we discussed that tpg
2021-05-16 03:57:49	@turb	i think that's the most valid argument against it
2021-05-16 03:57:54	Lakituthequick	but they are doing excellent business with tihs stiff
2021-05-16 03:57:55	@turb	the "this excludes other shitty things"
2021-05-16 03:57:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	most shameless _?
2021-05-16 03:58:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	like rework cashgrab but keep the shameless part
2021-05-16 03:58:23	@turb	most shameless _ sounds good to me but i think edo was specifically in favor of the cash-grab part
2021-05-16 03:58:32	@turb	without him being here i cant really speak for that in certain terms though
2021-05-16 03:58:41	tpggaming2	i guess wait for edo's response to concerns about the use of specifically cash-grab
2021-05-16 03:58:52	tpggaming2	but like.. arent all business decisions made to make money
2021-05-16 03:58:54	@turb	i think shameless does kind of carry forward some of the intended tone in and of itself though
2021-05-16 03:58:58	@Anton{Politoed}	regardless of the name, the nominees can remain the same
2021-05-16 03:59:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	indirectly yes, tpg, but the /implication/ is different in that 
2021-05-16 03:59:16	@Anton{Politoed}	pitohui's post with rose's follow-up seems to include them all
2021-05-16 03:59:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	some decisions are very upfront "this is to mine more money"
2021-05-16 03:59:28	@_2257	most shameless cashgrab, remake, port, enhanced port, reissue, rerelease, or director's cut
2021-05-16 03:59:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	others are more indirect and would seem out of place
2021-05-16 03:59:32	@Anton{Politoed}	     Mario Kart Tour/Dr. Mario World gacha     Limited-time availability of Super Mario 3D All-Stars     Nintendo Switch Online subscription     Artificial scarcity of NES/SNES mini     Restricting availability of old games     Requiring YouTube creators to surrender a sizeable cut of their profits     Adding advertisements to LEGO Mario voice lines     
2021-05-16 03:59:33	@Anton{Politoed}	Refusing to fix issues causing Joy-Con drift at point of production Underproduction of amiibo Frequent takedowns of fan content
2021-05-16 03:59:38	@Anton{Politoed}	 Reselling older games at the price of modern releases
2021-05-16 04:00:03	@Anton{Politoed}	immoral is a good word
2021-05-16 04:00:18	Pitohui	Oh, oh, I do like immoral for this
2021-05-16 04:00:22	BBQ-Turtle	I did wonder if something about scarce merchandise in general would be worth adding too? I wouldn't know how to phrase it though and how big of a concern it is.
2021-05-16 04:00:48	Honoka_Chaosaka	also
2021-05-16 04:00:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	i vote we change underproduction of amiibo
2021-05-16 04:01:00	Honoka_Chaosaka	to artifical scarcity of amiibo
2021-05-16 04:01:00	@turb	we used to have amiibo production problems on f11 or something yeah
2021-05-16 04:01:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	like 
2021-05-16 04:01:10	@turb	i guess its here too
2021-05-16 04:01:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	emphaize that nah, this is manufactured to make it worth more
2021-05-16 04:01:22	Pitohui	That's better, Perch, yeah
2021-05-16 04:01:24	Lakituthequick	do we actually know if that is articficial
2021-05-16 04:01:25	@turb	i think it might have specifically been underproduction back in the day though
2021-05-16 04:01:32	@turb	like, not intentional artificial scarcity
2021-05-16 04:01:36	@turb	they seem to be very common nowadays
2021-05-16 04:01:42	@turb	im not sure the nominee is that relevant anymore
2021-05-16 04:01:48	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh huh
2021-05-16 04:01:50	Smasher	immoral good but otherwise not sure what to say here
2021-05-16 04:02:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	anyhow yeah
2021-05-16 04:02:47	BBQ-Turtle	I know the Cat Mario and Cat Peach ones have been harder to track down recently.
2021-05-16 04:02:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	ultimately i don't mind informality in tone that much but i do want it to be clearly a "general shitty business practices" award
2021-05-16 04:02:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	from the title alone
2021-05-16 04:03:04	@Anton{Politoed}	agreeable
2021-05-16 04:03:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	and we've discussed in this very meeting the importance of titles that are clear (see: expanding remake)
2021-05-16 04:03:20	@Anton{Politoed}	I just feel striving for perfect formality cleans it up too much
2021-05-16 04:03:25	@Anton{Politoed}	it's a dirty award
2021-05-16 04:03:39	@turb	yeah i feel the same way as anton
2021-05-16 04:03:45	Pitohui	I mentioned the formality as a concern that had been thrown around but it's really the full expanse of these business practices that I want to capture
2021-05-16 04:03:46	@Anton{Politoed}	needs to strike a certain emotion seeing it
2021-05-16 04:03:47	@turb	it should be clear but i dont mind the title being dirtier as a result
2021-05-16 04:03:49	@turb	yeah
2021-05-16 04:03:52	@turb	exactly
2021-05-16 04:04:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	so it sounds like we're all in agreement on the style to go for
2021-05-16 04:04:09	@Anton{Politoed}	but i agree it needs to also fit what all the nominees are
2021-05-16 04:04:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's just a matter of the right words
2021-05-16 04:04:18	Lakituthequick	I feel reviled is a good word but I see the point of needing a dictionary if you're young or non-English
2021-05-16 04:05:26	@_2257	im really against reviled 
2021-05-16 04:05:33	Pitohui	"Most Shamelessly Immoral Business Practice?"
2021-05-16 04:05:33	@Anton{Politoed}	most EVIL nintendo MANIPULATION (not clickbait)  [[CLICK TO SEE MORE]]
2021-05-16 04:05:46	Honoka_Chaosaka	only if the thumbnail is a magikoopa looking shocked
2021-05-16 04:05:50	Lakituthequick	the fact you type in red makes this better
2021-05-16 04:05:51	@_2257	aside from the fact that apparently people don't even know what it means... it m eans the wrong thing
2021-05-16 04:06:11	@turb	most evil nintendo manipulation, remake, port, enhanced port, reissue, rerelease, or director's cut (not clickbait) [[click to see more]]
2021-05-16 04:06:12	Smasher	i support that especially if click to see more is in the full award name
2021-05-16 04:06:22	Smasher	oh my god turb
2021-05-16 04:06:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	if you vote four times you get access to ALL the behind the scenes footage
2021-05-16 04:07:03	Lakituthequick	revile
2021-05-16 04:07:03	Lakituthequick	/rɪˈvʌɪl/
2021-05-16 04:07:03	Lakituthequick	verb
2021-05-16 04:07:03	Lakituthequick	past tense: reviled; past participle: reviled
2021-05-16 04:07:03	Lakituthequick	criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner.
2021-05-16 04:07:03	Lakituthequick	"he was now reviled by the party that he had helped to lead"
2021-05-16 04:07:36	@Anton{Politoed}	ok so we're past meeting's end now, so what we gotta do between this meeting and next is:
2021-05-16 04:07:42	@Anton{Politoed}	I'll work on M5-7, that's on me
2021-05-16 04:08:09	@Anton{Politoed}	clean up the M23 Favorite Mechanic nominees to something that fits the document, otherwise accepting all suggestions presented currently
2021-05-16 04:08:15	Lakituthequick	(I believe turb already did 5 and 7)
2021-05-16 04:08:18	@Anton{Politoed}	F11 name, nominees
2021-05-16 04:08:21	@Anton{Politoed}	did he
2021-05-16 04:08:22	@turb	no there was a change to them
2021-05-16 04:08:26	Lakituthequick	o
2021-05-16 04:08:27	@turb	i did the original versions
2021-05-16 04:08:28	@Anton{Politoed}	oh ok yeah
2021-05-16 04:08:53	@Anton{Politoed}	also, vote in the community award polls
2021-05-16 04:09:00	@Anton{Politoed}	we will absolutely be beginning those next meeting
2021-05-16 04:09:23	Smasher	:woman_dancing:
2021-05-16 04:09:35	@Anton{Politoed}	which I will be here for whether it's Friday or Saturday
2021-05-16 04:09:49	@Anton{Politoed}	keeping up with the schedule, it would be saturday east coast US time
2021-05-16 04:09:51	Pitohui	For the record, I'm going to tally people's votes in those on Thursday so we go into the meeting with a clear idea of the nominees in those
2021-05-16 04:09:54	@Anton{Politoed}	basically same time exactly a week from now
2021-05-16 04:10:06	@Anton{Politoed}	but if you guys want to flip back to friday instead I'm open to that
2021-05-16 04:10:15	Pitohui	For the Community Awards there aren't polls for, I have notes
2021-05-16 04:10:24	Pitohui	Or for Wiki Contributor, I have a Turb
2021-05-16 04:10:40	Smasher	im good with either day
2021-05-16 04:10:55	@turb	yes the thread is going well
2021-05-16 04:10:58	@Anton{Politoed}	i'll just send some kind of reminder later next week
2021-05-16 04:11:03	@turb	im fine with friday or saturday
2021-05-16 04:11:07	Pitohui	I'd say keep it to Saturday but I don't care much either way
2021-05-16 04:11:10	@Anton{Politoed}	any other pressing concerns to be addressed before next meeting?
2021-05-16 04:11:14	@turb	preferably saturday yeah
2021-05-16 04:11:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	who's bringing the snacks
2021-05-16 04:11:19	@turb	yeah i do have a pressing concern
2021-05-16 04:11:21	@Anton{Politoed}	whose votes are we missing for the merch vs lm boss
2021-05-16 04:11:27	@turb	kill nintendo machine and add tpg
2021-05-16 04:11:30	@turb	or at minimum add tpg
2021-05-16 04:11:36	@Anton{Politoed}	edo, 64-bit, 2 more
2021-05-16 04:11:37	BBQ-Turtle	Saturday would be better for me but I don't really mind either way.
2021-05-16 04:11:51	Pitohui	Goombuigi
2021-05-16 04:11:51	Lakituthequick	yeah 64-bit practically doesn't exist
2021-05-16 04:11:54	Smasher	i agree with replacing the machine with the guy
2021-05-16 04:12:04	@Anton{Politoed}	goombuigi and I think rose missed it
2021-05-16 04:12:13	Pitohui	Ah, right, Rose, yes
2021-05-16 04:12:14	Smasher	i completely forgot machine was even on the committee
2021-05-16 04:12:16	Smasher	rose abstained
2021-05-16 04:12:20	BBQ-Turtle	Though Rose did say abstain later.
2021-05-16 04:12:24	@Anton{Politoed}	oh ok
2021-05-16 04:12:27	Smasher	i just didnt get a chance to tally it in because it was after
2021-05-16 04:12:42	Smasher	but it would be 6-3-2
2021-05-16 04:13:24	@Anton{Politoed}	ok well anyways yeah is anyone opposed to adding tpg to the crew
2021-05-16 04:13:30	Lakituthequick	not me
2021-05-16 04:13:31	Pitohui	Not at all
2021-05-16 04:13:32	Lakituthequick	does he
2021-05-16 04:13:33	@Anton{Politoed}	core peeps will decide on 64-bit
2021-05-16 04:13:33	Smasher	absolutely not
2021-05-16 04:13:43	Lakituthequick	tpggaming2: 
2021-05-16 04:13:45	Smasher	(absolutely not opposed)
2021-05-16 04:13:52	Pitohui	Bring the beloved miscreant in
2021-05-16 04:13:55	tpggaming2	yeah gimme the purple stars
2021-05-16 04:13:59	Pitohui	(TPG you are not a miscreant)
2021-05-16 04:14:03	tpggaming2	(i totally am)
2021-05-16 04:14:06	@_2257	yes he is
2021-05-16 04:14:06	@Anton{Politoed}	tpggaming2: vote on whether you want to swap in Favorite Merchandise or keep Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss
2021-05-16 04:14:11	Lakituthequick	(what is a miscreant)
2021-05-16 04:14:17	@_2257	tpg
2021-05-16 04:14:22	Smasher	BIG CHANGES coming to the awards committee [[CLICK TO SEE MORE]]
2021-05-16 04:14:23	Pitohui	A troublesome lawbreaker
2021-05-16 04:14:29	Lakituthequick	ah
2021-05-16 04:14:39	Pitohui	Which actually is TPG on Princeton I guess
2021-05-16 04:14:46	tpggaming2	give me the merch 
2021-05-16 04:14:48	@_2257	he stole my shoes
2021-05-16 04:14:51	@Anton{Politoed}	ok
2021-05-16 04:15:03	@turb	:clap:
2021-05-16 04:15:16	@Anton{Politoed}	I'll ask the other missing votes for theirs, but otherwise 1 more merch and it wins
2021-05-16 04:15:32	@Anton{Politoed}	if it goes to a stalemate I'll remove all abstains and they'll be forced to decide
2021-05-16 04:15:35	Smasher	7-3-2
2021-05-16 04:15:51	@Anton{Politoed}	physical force
2021-05-16 04:15:56	@Anton{Politoed}	i'll find you
2021-05-16 04:16:04	Smasher	im glad i voted
2021-05-16 04:16:08	Pitohui	Force them to eat stale bread
2021-05-16 04:16:13	@Anton{Politoed}	:claps: meeting adjourned!
2021-05-16 04:16:19	Lakituthequick	:clap: