2021-05-30 01:57:30	Lakituthequick	gaming
2021-05-30 01:57:37	Smasher	gaming
2021-05-30 01:57:51	tpggaming4	gaming awards
2021-05-30 01:57:52	Smasher	i might miss a few minutes
2021-05-30 01:59:33	Lakituthequick	they'll miss you too
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2021-05-30 02:00:22	@Anton{Politoed}	hello!
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2021-05-30 02:00:44	@Anton{Politoed}	welcome to ???? maybe the last meeting?  maybe next week will be, click more to find out
2021-05-30 02:00:47	@Anton{Politoed}	probably next week
2021-05-30 02:01:23	@Anton{Politoed}	today's agenda is quite simple, finishing out Community Awards, idle chit-chat, and then the full review of every award
2021-05-30 02:02:12	@Anton{Politoed}	so, first up is C7
2021-05-30 02:02:13	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2272754
2021-05-30 02:02:39	@Anton{Politoed}	we're getting rid of Favorite 'Shroom Core Staff for this community event one, name tbd
2021-05-30 02:03:05	@Anton{Politoed}	leaning more on Favorite Community Event (year)
2021-05-30 02:03:31	Pitohui	Yeah, "Favorite Community Event (year)" sounds the best for this one, to me
2021-05-30 02:03:44	Lakituthequick	per
2021-05-30 02:03:55	@Anton{Politoed}	the numbering of "2020-2021" is different than how C5 does it, with just "2020"
2021-05-30 02:04:04	@Anton{Politoed}	do you think it would be better to change C5 also to 2020-2021
2021-05-30 02:04:43	Pitohui	That'd probably be best, consistency and all
2021-05-30 02:05:07	@turb	i would like that
2021-05-30 02:05:18	Lakituthequick	yes
2021-05-30 02:05:27	@_2257	lets instead just move new years to august
2021-05-30 02:05:40	Pitohui	I've been trying to think of other nominees to add to TPG's but I think he has a pretty solid list there
2021-05-30 02:05:43	tpggaming4	good 
2021-05-30 02:05:47	tpggaming4	i had an idea
2021-05-30 02:05:49	tpggaming4	i actually had 2
2021-05-30 02:06:01	@Anton{Politoed}	in the last iteration of this award we included the awards ceremony
2021-05-30 02:06:06	tpggaming4	maybe 3 because im thinking of ideas as im writing them down
2021-05-30 02:06:08	Smasher	o, jrbl
2021-05-30 02:06:10	Smasher	wtf
2021-05-30 02:06:12	Smasher	im back
2021-05-30 02:06:18	Smasher	and also drunk, apparently
2021-05-30 02:06:32	Pitohui	Oh, did we? Then I think that'd be a fair inclusion here
2021-05-30 02:06:33	tpggaming4	idea 1 is to put up a thread in the roleplay board to ask them for input/nominees/votes on the roleplay events 
2021-05-30 02:06:42	@Anton{Politoed}	it also included april fool's day
2021-05-30 02:06:44	tpggaming4	because i just picked the two with the biggest post counts 
2021-05-30 02:06:54	tpggaming4	idea 2 and 3 were putting awards and april fools day
2021-05-30 02:07:01	tpggaming4	so consider me double ninjad
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2021-05-30 02:07:14	@turb	hate to be that guy but is it ok if i uhh
2021-05-30 02:07:16	Pitohui	I'm pretty sure those two [i]are[/i] the most popular roleplays, fwiw, TPG
2021-05-30 02:07:22	@turb	post all the relevnt stuff for c5 and then fuck off into the ether
2021-05-30 02:07:29	@Anton{Politoed}	sure
2021-05-30 02:07:32	@turb	feeling like actual death
2021-05-30 02:07:35	Lakituthequick	i have never heard of world of the spirits
2021-05-30 02:07:36	@Anton{Politoed}	rip
2021-05-30 02:07:55	Lakituthequick	nicely contained where it belongs i guess
2021-05-30 02:08:13	tpggaming4	world of the spirits is certainly not as widespread as car wash but its one of the Big ones
2021-05-30 02:08:15	Pitohui	The only other roleplay I've seen like out of that Board is The Altonia Files
2021-05-30 02:08:23	tpggaming4	oh i can just ask blof 
2021-05-30 02:08:24	Smasher	i only really know about car wash
2021-05-30 02:08:33	tpggaming4	why didnt i think of that before...
2021-05-30 02:09:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	oh shit
2021-05-30 02:09:03	Honoka_Chaosaka	hi
2021-05-30 02:09:09	@Anton{Politoed}	so basically for C7 I'm just gonna accept the list as-is that was posted on the boards
2021-05-30 02:09:19	@Anton{Politoed}	and then chuck in whatever other ideas we're shitting out right now
2021-05-30 02:09:25	Pitohui	Sounds like a plan to me
2021-05-30 02:09:26	@_2257	oh are there multiple big forum rps now
2021-05-30 02:09:30	@Anton{Politoed}	the beauty of community awards is the dossier is there to explain everything
2021-05-30 02:09:36	@_2257	the culture is evolving 
2021-05-30 02:09:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think so?
2021-05-30 02:09:39	Pitohui	There's, like, three big ones, 22
2021-05-30 02:09:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	car wash is the only one i really know
2021-05-30 02:09:47	Pitohui	And lots of smaller ones that fade in and out
2021-05-30 02:09:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	longform...
2021-05-30 02:09:56	Honoka_Chaosaka	:pensive:
2021-05-30 02:10:01	Pitohui	RIP Longform
2021-05-30 02:10:15	Lakituthequick	the actual quality one
2021-05-30 02:10:17	Pitohui	I still say we can bring that back in a stronger form someday I just need more time to commit to it
2021-05-30 02:10:26	@Anton{Politoed}	did turb died
2021-05-30 02:10:32	Pitohui	[s]so clearly next year it happens[/s]
2021-05-30 02:10:33	@turb	nah i'm just uh
2021-05-30 02:10:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	same pito
2021-05-30 02:10:37	@turb	compiling some stuff
2021-05-30 02:10:40	@Anton{Politoed}	oh ok
2021-05-30 02:10:44	@turb	i want to get links since there were comments on what people to axe for 18
2021-05-30 02:10:48	@turb	since i was last awake and alive
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2021-05-30 02:10:56	NinjaSquid	Hello!
2021-05-30 02:11:04	Lakituthequick	ng'yes
2021-05-30 02:11:07	NinjaSquid	Sorry for being a little bit late
2021-05-30 02:12:03	@Anton{Politoed}	so for like
2021-05-30 02:12:04	@Anton{Politoed}	"World of the Spirits (Roleplay)"
2021-05-30 02:12:10	tpggaming4	blof says car wash, world of spirits, and also the altonia files 
2021-05-30 02:12:10	@Anton{Politoed}	are we including the word roleplay in it
2021-05-30 02:12:11	Lakituthequick	* insert joke about removing NS from the committee in the last 10 minutes here *
2021-05-30 02:12:17	@Anton{Politoed}	I feel like it's relatively important
2021-05-30 02:12:21	Pitohui	Yeah, I think you should, Anton
2021-05-30 02:12:25	tpggaming4	maybe tales of megaverse and triple strike academy 
2021-05-30 02:12:28	@Anton{Politoed}	indicates what it even is
2021-05-30 02:12:36	tpggaming4	you gotta have the word roleplay in there yeah
2021-05-30 02:12:43	Lakituthequick	yeah, include roleplay in there
2021-05-30 02:12:51	tpggaming4	theres no other indication of what the context is, which the other nominees provide
2021-05-30 02:12:56	tpggaming4	apart from shroomfest but like
2021-05-30 02:13:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	i don't wanna pile too much roleplay imo 
2021-05-30 02:13:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	btu 3 makes sense to me
2021-05-30 02:13:14	Pitohui	I think the big three is good on roleplays
2021-05-30 02:13:16	tpggaming4	shroomfest is Shroomfest theres no word you could append to explain it 
2021-05-30 02:13:20	@Anton{Politoed}	yeah i'm fine with 3
2021-05-30 02:13:21	tpggaming4	3 is my personal limit 
2021-05-30 02:13:22	Pitohui	The others come and go
2021-05-30 02:13:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	cool cool
2021-05-30 02:13:26	@Anton{Politoed}	any more and it kinda dilutes it
2021-05-30 02:13:29	Goombuigi	3 sounds good to me
2021-05-30 02:13:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd say the same for mafia
2021-05-30 02:13:37	@Anton{Politoed}	unless there's more that are just really strong contenders
2021-05-30 02:13:40	Pitohui	Thankfully there's only been three new mafias
2021-05-30 02:13:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	if we had another mafia on the list i'd be pushing to trim
2021-05-30 02:14:09	tpggaming4	nah blof gave out 3 contenders then 2 more maybes, so thats simple as
2021-05-30 02:14:18	tpggaming4	car wash, altonia files, world of the spirits 
2021-05-30 02:14:27	Smasher	im fine with three as well ftr
2021-05-30 02:14:28	Gabumon	I guess I'm just gonna put this out there and see what other people think
2021-05-30 02:14:30	tpggaming4	(roleplay), (roleplay), (roleplay) 
2021-05-30 02:14:49	Smasher	ill be more responsive when i can im getting called for something
2021-05-30 02:14:55	Gabumon	considering how we historically had a really low voter turnout for the community awards
2021-05-30 02:15:43	Gabumon	how would people feel about collapsing these options into "forum roleplays" and "mafia" so there are less options for the low vote pool to get spread (and diluted) over
2021-05-30 02:16:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	that would leave us with 5 nominees which i think is below the minimum
2021-05-30 02:16:30	@turb	https://pastebin.com/7VdFZ6ih C5 Wiki Contributor Award Information
2021-05-30 02:16:32	tpggaming4	im not sure about that 
2021-05-30 02:16:49	@_2257	theres a minimum?"
2021-05-30 02:16:55	Pitohui	I get the idea there, but these have all been pretty different and it feels weird to collapse them
2021-05-30 02:16:56	@turb	fsr i also thought that 5 was the minimum and not like 7 or 8 but i am likely thinking of something else
2021-05-30 02:16:59	@turb	we barely ever hit minimum
2021-05-30 02:17:02	@turb	just maximum
2021-05-30 02:17:07	Gabumon	I guess like
2021-05-30 02:17:19	tpggaming4	i think the individual games and RPs stand out on their own enough to be worth differentiating
2021-05-30 02:17:26	Gabumon	can someone put into words what the difference between these rp threads is?
2021-05-30 02:17:26	Pitohui	Like, all the mafia games have had the same core gameplay but they've been iterating and had pretty distinct feels, lots of set dressing and unique character roleplays
2021-05-30 02:17:44	tpggaming4	i understand collapsing shroomfest into one nominee because each round is functionally the same with different captains and themes
2021-05-30 02:18:30	@Anton{Politoed}	I hope someone can because the dossier requires that to be put into words
2021-05-30 02:18:36	tpggaming4	the difference is in setting characters players themes and storylines, from what i've skimmed 
2021-05-30 02:18:55	Gabumon	I feel like the difference between each shroomfest is as pronounced as the difference between the rp threads I have seen, so I'm unsure if I really agree to that
2021-05-30 02:19:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	we could go the opposite direction and split the shroomfests?
2021-05-30 02:19:24	tpggaming4	i think you'd have to talk to blof to get a more valid view on them
2021-05-30 02:19:25	Gabumon	that would dilute the votes even further
2021-05-30 02:19:27	@Anton{Politoed}	that would further dilute
2021-05-30 02:19:39	Gabumon	like, consider
2021-05-30 02:19:50	Gabumon	the vote turnout we get for these is in the low two digit range
2021-05-30 02:19:57	Honoka_Chaosaka	i don't mean this in a snipe/barb way but
2021-05-30 02:20:05	Pitohui	For the roleplay threads? Honestly? I can't really myself. They look relatively the same from the outside. But the people participating in them seem to actually think of them as pretty distinct, from the way they talk about them.
2021-05-30 02:20:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	i don't get why this one specific community award has "diluting the votes" as a concern when most community awards already hit the nomination cap regardless
2021-05-30 02:20:23	Pitohui	Oh lots of things were said but my screen didn't scroll
2021-05-30 02:20:26	Gabumon	because I see an opportunity for a downsizing here
2021-05-30 02:20:31	tpggaming4	agreed with perch and pitohui
2021-05-30 02:20:43	Gabumon	if I see a similar opportunity in other awards, I will point it out
2021-05-30 02:21:17	Pitohui	Like, when it comes to writing the Dossier entries for the roleplays, I'm absolutely going to be talking to BLOF, as someone who's actually in the threads and can describe the differences
2021-05-30 02:21:28	@Anton{Politoed}	I think the nominees are fine as is, because
2021-05-30 02:21:55	NinjaSquid	I'm going to agree with Perch here
2021-05-30 02:22:06	@Anton{Politoed}	roleplays are something that's blossomed on the forum in the last year, and mafia games are coming back, and I feel it's good to highlights which ones are/were successful
2021-05-30 02:22:12	@Anton{Politoed}	regardless of whether it splits votes
2021-05-30 02:22:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	speaking of i just realized
2021-05-30 02:23:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	if we're counting location battle
2021-05-30 02:23:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	we could also add the photo contest for bowser's fury
2021-05-30 02:23:26	Lakituthequick	do note
2021-05-30 02:23:27	NinjaSquid	yeah true
2021-05-30 02:23:28	@_2257	personally i feel like they'll end up more highlighted if they get 6 votes collectively and place well, rather than 2 each and place low
2021-05-30 02:23:29	Pitohui	Hey, Anton, heads up, I think it should be April Fool's Day 2021
2021-05-30 02:23:35	Lakituthequick	this is a community event award
2021-05-30 02:23:39	@Anton{Politoed}	oh yeah
2021-05-30 02:23:41	Lakituthequick	not a 'shroom event award per se
2021-05-30 02:23:47	Gabumon	that's what I'm trying to say, 2257
2021-05-30 02:24:04	Lakituthequick	i'm not against adding 'shroom events of course
2021-05-30 02:24:05	@_2257	ot that that's guaranteed or anything, but i dont think lumping them together inherantly devalues them
2021-05-30 02:24:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	the thing is, roleplay collectively would be like... highlighting the 50 failed rps as well as the 5 successful ones
2021-05-30 02:24:09	@Anton{Politoed}	this is admittedly a difficult subject to judge
2021-05-30 02:24:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	mafia i could see more of a case for since it's JUST the three and they were all pretty solid
2021-05-30 02:25:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	like, as someone who's played in the KGs, i wouldn't want to lump them together because there are some i would want to highlight and some i would not
2021-05-30 02:25:40	Gabumon	well, if we're not collapsing them, then for the sake of consistency I feel like each shroomfest is also distinct enough to get an individual nomination
2021-05-30 02:25:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	sure
2021-05-30 02:25:51	tpggaming4	i'm fine with that
2021-05-30 02:27:05	Pitohui	So we'd have Heroes vs. Villains 'Shroomfest, Chickens vs Pigs 'Shroomfest, Day vs Night 'Shroomfest, and Warm Beverages vs Cool Beverages 'Shroomfest
2021-05-30 02:27:22	Pitohui	Porentially cutting one of those if we wanted to keep to three for this one like the other groupings
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2021-05-30 02:27:31	NinjaSquid	Sunlight vs Moonlight*
2021-05-30 02:27:37	Pitohui	Ah, yes, thanks NS
2021-05-30 02:27:44	NinjaSquid	np
2021-05-30 02:27:46	@_2257	sunshine vs moonshine
2021-05-30 02:27:52	Pitohui	(incidentally that's the one I'd consider cutting if we went with three)
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2021-05-30 02:28:12	Gabumon	you'd probably be in the best position to determine which of these is the most suitable for being cut
2021-05-30 02:28:19	meowth	ok hi
2021-05-30 02:28:33	meowth	idk if i have much to add here but
2021-05-30 02:28:37	meowth	hi!!
2021-05-30 02:28:45	Pitohui	That's felt like it was the weakest of the four so far, accounting for the first one still feeling things out
2021-05-30 02:28:58	NinjaSquid	per Pito
2021-05-30 02:29:02	tpggaming4	mmm
2021-05-30 02:29:08	@Anton{Politoed}	sun/moon is good because https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43240/page-2#post-2230186  look how cute i am
2021-05-30 02:29:08	Gabumon	sounds good to me
2021-05-30 02:29:35	NinjaSquid	Chicken vs Pigs and Warm Beverages vs Cool Beverages were solid ones, and the first one was a good start for the concept.
2021-05-30 02:30:04	meowth	i think im ok with separating these
2021-05-30 02:30:19	tpggaming4	iirc the sun moon one had a lower turnout than the other three because winter rush kept everyone busy
2021-05-30 02:30:38	Pitohui	Yeah, that's my recollection, too, TPG
2021-05-30 02:30:42	NinjaSquid	yeah
2021-05-30 02:31:09	@Anton{Politoed}	C7 Favorite Community Event 2020 - 2021 (Chickens vs Pigs 'Shroomfest, Warm Beverages vs Cool Beverages 'Shroomfest, Heroes vs. Villains 'Shroomfest, Ultimate Location Battle, Rogueport Mafia, Sheep Mafia, Toad Brigade Mafia, Awards Killing Game 4, Mushroom City Car Wash (Roleplay), World of the Spirits (Roleplay),
2021-05-30 02:31:09	@Anton{Politoed}	The Altonia Files: The Second Chapter (Roleplay), Awards Ceremony 2020, April Fool’s Day 2021, Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury Photo Contest)
2021-05-30 02:31:12	NinjaSquid	Chicken/Pigs and Warm/Cold both had a higher turnout
2021-05-30 02:31:13	@Anton{Politoed}	current listing
2021-05-30 02:31:24	Pitohui	(plus in retrospect I feel like the more abstract themes are harder for people to work with, which is why we're going to tend towards more concrete but broad ones in the latter half of this year)
2021-05-30 02:31:37	Pitohui	Looks good with that listing, Anton
2021-05-30 02:31:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	i like this
2021-05-30 02:31:50	Gabumon	yeah, this seems good
2021-05-30 02:32:05	NinjaSquid	looks good!
2021-05-30 02:32:09	tpggaming4	big thumbs up
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2021-05-30 02:32:15	Lakituthequick	i'd make roleplay lowercase
2021-05-30 02:32:41	Lakituthequick	and suggest adding ": Despair Incorporated" to akg4, but that's up for discussuion
2021-05-30 02:33:10	tpggaming4	despair inc was more of a subtitle 
2021-05-30 02:33:33	Lakituthequick	if so then remove the second chapter thing from altonia
2021-05-30 02:33:51	tpggaming4	yes
2021-05-30 02:33:59	Goombuigi	Shouldn't NS' mafia be Rogues in Rogueport Mafia rather than Rogueport Mafia?
2021-05-30 02:34:07	Lakituthequick	yes
2021-05-30 02:34:24	NinjaSquid	oh yeah, goombuigi's right
2021-05-30 02:35:45	@Anton{Politoed}	ok is C7 complete
2021-05-30 02:35:53	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think so
2021-05-30 02:36:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	also ltq: i know it's not shroom event award but...
2021-05-30 02:36:07	Pitohui	Looks like it to me
2021-05-30 02:36:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	we don't HAVE a shroom event award
2021-05-30 02:36:12	meowth	looks fine to me
2021-05-30 02:36:14	@Anton{Politoed}	C5 time
2021-05-30 02:36:16	Lakituthequick	14 moninees
2021-05-30 02:36:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	so it seems reasonable to put shroom awards here
2021-05-30 02:36:16	@Anton{Politoed}	https://pastebin.com/7VdFZ6ih  thx turb
2021-05-30 02:36:22	@Anton{Politoed}	everyone let's read this now
2021-05-30 02:36:32	Lakituthequick	yes blocky, it's just a note to make it overwhelmingly 'shroom
2021-05-30 02:36:39	Lakituthequick	*to NOT make
2021-05-30 02:36:42	Honoka_Chaosaka	too late!
2021-05-30 02:36:59	tpggaming4	i think its fine that a lot of the nominees are shroomy 
2021-05-30 02:37:14	tpggaming4	its a big project that a lot of the communitys creative output is focused on 
2021-05-30 02:37:22	@Anton{Politoed}	basically wiki staff has been working hard to figure out C5 Wiki Contributor Award
2021-05-30 02:37:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah i'd be against WT
2021-05-30 02:37:28	Honoka_Chaosaka	man did so much work he got promoted
2021-05-30 02:37:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	that's contributiong
2021-05-30 02:37:35	@Anton{Politoed}	they got to 20(?) and i told them chop chop chop
2021-05-30 02:37:40	@Anton{Politoed}	and now here we are
2021-05-30 02:37:59	Pitohui	Yeah, WT feels like a solid keep - of the four proposed cuts, Koopa con Carne has been getting more active on the Boards, too
2021-05-30 02:38:06	Honoka_Chaosaka	i don't see any reason to not rubberstamp the removal they gave us, too
2021-05-30 02:38:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	to get down to 19
2021-05-30 02:38:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	and then decide the last
2021-05-30 02:38:12	NinjaSquid	yeah, i don't want to cut WT
2021-05-30 02:38:13	@Anton{Politoed}	a lot of the legwork on choosing who to cut has been done
2021-05-30 02:38:21	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm just gonna default to their end decision yeah
2021-05-30 02:38:27	Pitohui	"i don't see any reason to not rubberstamp the removal they gave us, too" - per Perch on this
2021-05-30 02:38:49	@Anton{Politoed}	leaving us to decide who between Infinite8, Koopa Con Carne, LuigiMaster123, Scrooge200 to cut
2021-05-30 02:38:56	@Anton{Politoed}	"If using activity alone as a metric, Infinite8 would be removed - recommend looking at the dossier more closely to make an informed decision"
2021-05-30 02:39:03	Gabumon	what if the stamp is a potato
2021-05-30 02:39:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	then i guess we potatostamp instead
2021-05-30 02:39:25	meowth	not sure if i can really say much here since im a non entity in t
2021-05-30 02:39:30	meowth	he wiki
2021-05-30 02:39:56	meowth	but i do think wt is a solid keep with how involved he is with everything now
2021-05-30 02:40:20	@Anton{Politoed}	I have little basis to no use activity alone as a metric
2021-05-30 02:40:48	@Anton{Politoed}	so unless someone presents me with critical information, a critical project or something that infinite8 worked on that volleys them over the rest, then that's how we will go
2021-05-30 02:41:01	@Anton{Politoed}	to not*
2021-05-30 02:41:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	i got nothin'
2021-05-30 02:41:29	Pitohui	He had a few projects on last year's Dossier but they don't stand out over the comparable entries the others have
2021-05-30 02:41:36	Pitohui	They seem like they're on the same level
2021-05-30 02:41:59	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_159/Community_Awards_Dossier#C5._Wiki_Contributor_Award_2020
2021-05-30 02:42:20	@Anton{Politoed}	then that's what we shall do
2021-05-30 02:42:32	@Anton{Politoed}	I'll make the changes official in the full list really quick
2021-05-30 02:43:50	@Anton{Politoed}	critical note
2021-05-30 02:43:52	@Anton{Politoed}	"Staff members willingly offered themselves up for removal."
2021-05-30 02:43:57	@Anton{Politoed}	that will affect results
2021-05-30 02:44:02	@Anton{Politoed}	but is not something we can change
2021-05-30 02:44:10	@turb	yeah
2021-05-30 02:44:34	@turb	they'll still be available to be written in and stuff but they went "you can remove me to trim the award down" in every case
2021-05-30 02:44:42	@turb	help to focus on new names, lessened activity, etc
2021-05-30 02:44:56	@turb	we'll see what comes of it
2021-05-30 02:45:04	@Anton{Politoed}	C5 is considered done
2021-05-30 02:45:11	@Anton{Politoed}	big thanks to wiki staff for the hard work on this
2021-05-30 02:45:20	meowth	thanks staff
2021-05-30 02:45:27	@turb	thanks staff
2021-05-30 02:45:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	thanks staff
2021-05-30 02:46:04	@Anton{Politoed}	so, up next
2021-05-30 02:46:06	@Anton{Politoed}	C8 Best 'Shroom Section Design
2021-05-30 02:46:12	Lakituthequick	my my count there were 10 removals
2021-05-30 02:46:15	Lakituthequick	but 8 are listed
2021-05-30 02:46:19	Lakituthequick	for c5
2021-05-30 02:46:25	Pitohui	Alright, I have notes for C8
2021-05-30 02:46:30	@Anton{Politoed}	mariocomix and infinite8
2021-05-30 02:46:33	Lakituthequick	yes
2021-05-30 02:46:57	Pitohui	First is the simple update for C8
2021-05-30 02:46:58	@Anton{Politoed}	they don't appear in new additions so I'll add them in red now
2021-05-30 02:46:59	Pitohui	Update: Poll Committee Discussion (10th Poll Committee) => Poll Committee Discussion (11th Poll Committee)
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2021-05-30 02:47:49	Pitohui	After that, I have a few older sections to recommend for removal to clear the way for newer sections
2021-05-30 02:47:53	Pitohui	Remove: Dear Anton (Anton), Monthly Report (Ninja Squid), Meta Knight’s Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight), Selling Out (Raregold), Hot Pot Reviews (Zange)
2021-05-30 02:48:11	Pitohui	That should bring us down to 14, if I can count
2021-05-30 02:48:19	@Anton{Politoed}	seems valid
2021-05-30 02:48:28	meowth	reasonable
2021-05-30 02:48:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	i support
2021-05-30 02:48:56	Pitohui	Here's my recommended additions (will grab links for them - one minute) 
2021-05-30 02:48:58	Pitohui	Add: Roserade’s Quarantine Reviews (Roserade), Site Seeing (Lakituthequick), Super Mario Maker 2 Showcase (Goombuigi), Parallax (Baby Luigi and Bazooka Mario) (18)
2021-05-30 02:49:32	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_169/Strategy_Wing#Parallax - Parallax
2021-05-30 02:50:00	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_168/Critic_Corner#Rose's_Quarantine_Reviews - Rose's Quarantine Reviews
2021-05-30 02:50:29	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_169/Palette_Swap#Site_Seeing - Site Seeing
2021-05-30 02:50:45	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_169/Palette_Swap#Super_Mario_Maker_Showcase - Super Mario Maker Showcase
2021-05-30 02:50:54	Pitohui	Oops, need to drop the "2" in that nominee name
2021-05-30 02:51:22	Pitohui	I'll throw those out and if there's objections to any of them, folks can voice them, I suppose
2021-05-30 02:51:49	tpggaming4	i support parallax 
2021-05-30 02:51:50	NinjaSquid	yeah, i'd agree with that list. Solid sections
2021-05-30 02:52:03	tpggaming4	that one stands out with the formatting 
2021-05-30 02:53:17	Lakituthequick	ye
2021-05-30 02:53:36	Lakituthequick	look gary, it's me
2021-05-30 02:53:54	@Anton{Politoed}	I have no other comments about C8
2021-05-30 02:54:24	@Anton{Politoed}	just a general battle in my mind of "i wish there were less nominees" vs "wow!!!! there's so many nominees!! we're kicking ass!"
2021-05-30 02:54:40	Pitohui	 Mushroom Kingdom Smackdown (Waluigi Time), Monthly Inquisition (Goombuigi), Kingdom Battle Ramble (ZelenPixel), So You Want to Conquer Japan (Shoey) , and 'ShroomFM (MrConcreteDonkey) were other considerations, for full disclosure, in case someone really wants to argue for one of those instead of the four I picked from my list
2021-05-30 02:55:03	Pitohui	Oh, wait
2021-05-30 02:55:10	Pitohui	Didn't mean to copy 'Shroom FM, it's already on there
2021-05-30 02:55:35	Lakituthequick	idk, maybe we can replace shroom fm for shroom fm
2021-05-30 02:56:09	meowth	sounds like a plan
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2021-05-30 02:56:58	Lakituthequick	no further comments here
2021-05-30 02:57:06	meowth	nothing to add beyond the proposed nominees looking solid to me
2021-05-30 02:57:16	meowth	sorry
2021-05-30 02:57:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	i got nothing
2021-05-30 02:57:23	Smasher	shut up
2021-05-30 02:57:32	@Anton{Politoed}	C9 Favorite Written 'Shroom Section of the Past Year (Anniversary Announcements (Lakituthequick), Mach Speed Mayhem (Superchao), Anton's Half-Baked Reviews (Anton), 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui), Hot Pot Reviews (Zange), Poll Committee Discussion (10th Poll Committee), Interview (Superchao), Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight), 
2021-05-30 02:57:32	@Anton{Politoed}	Where in the Marioverse is Carmen Sandiego? (FunkyK38), Mario's Boombox (Hooded Pitohui), Drawn and Pressed (winstein), World of Plight (Magolor04726), Smashing Reviews (Smasher), TV Tomorrow (Quizmelon), News Flush (Lord Bowser), SGoW's Declassified Mario Kart Wii Survival Guide (Shy Guy on Wheels))
2021-05-30 02:57:46	Pitohui	We have a thread for this one!
2021-05-30 02:57:51	Pitohui	https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43843/
2021-05-30 02:58:08	Pitohui	This has left us with a 17 solid nominees and one more slot to give to one of four sections
2021-05-30 02:58:25	Pitohui	1. Anniversary Announcements (Lakituthequick)
2021-05-30 02:58:25	Pitohui	1. Mach Speed Mayhem (Superchao)
2021-05-30 02:58:25	Pitohui	1. Anton's Half-Baked Reviews (Anton)
2021-05-30 02:58:26	Pitohui	1. Drawn and Pressed (winstein)
2021-05-30 02:58:27	Pitohui	1. Kingdom Battle Ramble (ZelenPixel)
2021-05-30 02:58:27	Pitohui	1. Site Seeing (Lakituthequick)
2021-05-30 02:58:28	Pitohui	1. Rose's Quarantine Reviews (Roserade)
2021-05-30 02:58:28	Pitohui	1. Mushroom Kingdom Smackdown (Waluigi Time)
2021-05-30 02:58:28	Pitohui	1. Mushroom Tribune (Shoey and Hooded Pitohui)
2021-05-30 02:58:29	Pitohui	10. Poll Committee Discussion (11th Poll Committee)
2021-05-30 02:58:29	Pitohui	10. Mario's Boombox (Hooded Pitohui)
2021-05-30 02:58:30	Pitohui	10. The Odyssey of a Squid (Ninja Squid)
2021-05-30 02:58:30	Pitohui	13. So You Want to Conquer Japan? (Shoey)
2021-05-30 02:58:31	Pitohui	13. Monthly Inquisition (Goombuigi)
2021-05-30 02:58:32	Pitohui	13. Parallax (Baby Luigi and LeftyGreenMario)
2021-05-30 02:58:32	Pitohui	16. TV Tomorrow (Quizmelon)
2021-05-30 02:58:33	Pitohui	16. Doomed Reviews (Doomhiker)
2021-05-30 02:59:25	Pitohui	So those are our 17, then we have World of Plight (Magolor04726), Dear Bowser (Doomhiker), What's in a Campaign (Chester Alan Arthur), and Super Mario Maker Showcase (Goombuigi) to consider for #18
2021-05-30 02:59:31	Pitohui	I'll fetch links
2021-05-30 02:59:53	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_168/Fake_News#Dear_Bowser - Dear Bowser
2021-05-30 03:00:09	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_169/Palette_Swap#World_of_Plight - World of Plight
2021-05-30 03:00:22	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_169/Palette_Swap#Super_Mario_Maker_Showcase - Super Mario Maker Showcase
2021-05-30 03:00:40	Pitohui	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_170/Pipe_Plaza#What's_in_a_Campaign? - What's in a Campaign
2021-05-30 03:01:57	NinjaSquid	man, the 'shroom this year has great sections isn't it? It's a bit hard to decide lol
2021-05-30 03:02:23	Goombuigi	From these four, I'd choose World of Plight
2021-05-30 03:02:46	Honoka_Chaosaka	same
2021-05-30 03:03:01	tpggaming4	my vote would be for SMM showcase
2021-05-30 03:03:25	Lakituthequick	working on a diff for administratrivia
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2021-05-30 03:05:11	Pitohui	(of course I say a number 18 but we also don't [i]have[/i] to fill to the cap)
2021-05-30 03:05:26	@Anton{Politoed}	I think that might be better
2021-05-30 03:06:02	Pitohui	Thinking on it, with the votes being lower here, I'm inclined to agree
2021-05-30 03:06:50	Lakituthequick	per
2021-05-30 03:06:55	Lakituthequick	also changes:
2021-05-30 03:06:58	Lakituthequick	Added: Doomed Reviews (Doomhiker), Kingdom Battle Ramble (ZelenPixel), Monthly Inquisition (Goombuigi), Mushroom Kingdom Smackdown (Waluigi Time), Mushroom Tribune (Shoey and Hooded Pitohui), Parallax (Baby Luigi and LeftyGreenMario), Rose's Quarantine Reviews (Roserade), Site Seeing (Lakituthequick), So You Want to Conquer Japan? (Shoey), The Odyssey of a Squid (Ninja Squid)
2021-05-30 03:06:58	Lakituthequick	Removed: 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui), Hot Pot Reviews (Zange), Interview (Superchao), Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight), News Flush (Lord Bowser), SGoW's Declassified Mario Kart Wii Survival Guide (Shy Guy on Wheels), Smashing Reviews (Smasher), Where in the Marioverse is Carmen Sandiego? (FunkyK38), World of Plight (Magolor04726)
2021-05-30 03:06:58	Lakituthequick	Changed: Poll Committee Discussion (10th Poll Committee) => Poll Committee Discussion (11th Poll Committee)
2021-05-30 03:07:15	Lakituthequick	Basically 99% is different
2021-05-30 03:07:33	Lakituthequick	6.2 nominees are the same
2021-05-30 03:07:50	Lakituthequick	but hey, administration
2021-05-30 03:07:59	Pitohui	Lots of good new sections this year!
2021-05-30 03:08:01	@Anton{Politoed}	that matches up with my data
2021-05-30 03:08:15	@Anton{Politoed}	ok gr8 c10
2021-05-30 03:08:17	Lakituthequick	always nice when data matches
2021-05-30 03:08:17	@Anton{Politoed}	C10 Outstanding Community Achievement Award (Porplemontage, 2257, Walkazo, Turboo, Anton, Superchao, Smasher, Yoshi876, Tucayo, MrConcreteDonkey, Lord Bowser, GBAToad, Lakituthequick, Mr. Edo, Glowsquid, Meta Knight, Ninja Squid, The Pyro Guy, Roserade, Hooded Pitohui, Doomhiker)
2021-05-30 03:08:41	Smasher	i cant believe i died
2021-05-30 03:09:00	Smasher	(for the record im ok with those changes)
2021-05-30 03:09:13	Lakituthequick	i have notes here
2021-05-30 03:09:19	Lakituthequick	we have 21 nominees atm
2021-05-30 03:09:22	Gabumon	I haven't done anything outstanding lately so you can remove me
2021-05-30 03:09:47	Pitohui	Okay, so this one has 21 and it's hard to pick people to cut here considering the nature of this Award, but, first cut I can suggest here is Tucayo. It's a longer-term award, true, but I think it should still prioritize folks still around in the community 
2021-05-30 03:09:59	Pitohui	And Tucky has more or less gone away completely
2021-05-30 03:10:03	NinjaSquid	Walkazo...
2021-05-30 03:10:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah, tucky doesn't exist
2021-05-30 03:10:19	Lakituthequick	i've also been thinking about her yeah
2021-05-30 03:10:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	and edo has volunteered himself so that gets us down to 19
2021-05-30 03:10:28	tpggaming4	whats the definition? 
2021-05-30 03:10:36	@Anton{Politoed}	a thorny subject, but I think we discussed last year about it being time to remove her
2021-05-30 03:10:40	@Anton{Politoed}	I will consult logs
2021-05-30 03:10:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah, it's been five years, and i think it's time 
2021-05-30 03:10:52	Lakituthequick	C10 - Outstanding Community Achievement Award - This award acknowledges the hard work and dedication of various members of the community. They all are unique in their experiences and what theyve done, having volunteered their time in all parts of the community in a number of ways. It should be noted that many nominees have expansive lists forged over the years, and while this may
2021-05-30 03:10:52	Lakituthequick	be impressive, please consider recent achievements and their greater relative impact today. This is not an exhaustive list of every position and achievement, just the most notable and relevant.
2021-05-30 03:10:52	Pitohui	"This award acknowledges the hard work and dedication of various members of the community. They all are unique in their experiences and what they’ve done, having volunteered their time in all parts of the community in a number of ways. It should be noted that many nominees have expansive lists forged over the years, and while this may be
2021-05-30 03:10:52	Pitohui	impressive, please consider recent achievements and their greater relative impact today. This is not an exhaustive list of every position and achievement, just the most notable and relevant."
2021-05-30 03:10:59	tpggaming4	awesome
2021-05-30 03:11:06	Smasher	walkazo is a tough one but yeah i think it's ok at this point
2021-05-30 03:11:11	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm not trying to say this in a callous way but like... idk, there's a reason that when someone tried to dwell hard on it this year we kicked his fucking ass
2021-05-30 03:11:29	Pitohui	Oh this reminds me that I forgot to do the whole "updating the community awards definitions to match the dossier better" thing this week
2021-05-30 03:11:33	Pitohui	This Week (TM)
2021-05-30 03:11:39	Smasher	im fine with the tucky cut too ftr
2021-05-30 03:11:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	so i'm in favor of removing Walkazo, Tucayo, and Edo
2021-05-30 03:11:45	Honoka_Chaosaka	for the various reasons
2021-05-30 03:11:49	Lakituthequick	this year will be the fifth year since her passing so
2021-05-30 03:11:53	Lakituthequick	i also feel its time
2021-05-30 03:11:58	Pitohui	And, yeah, Walkazo was another potential cut I was going to bring up once we had gone through the others, mostly for the reasons cited
2021-05-30 03:12:00	@Anton{Politoed}	logs don't seem to have it
2021-05-30 03:12:02	Goombuigi	I'm also in favor of the cuts
2021-05-30 03:12:07	NinjaSquid	pretty much per Perch for the removals
2021-05-30 03:12:09	@Anton{Politoed}	maybe it was post-meeting discussion
2021-05-30 03:12:17	Honoka_Chaosaka	now the question is, is there anyone who we think is significant and important to add with the requirement of a replacement
2021-05-30 03:12:18	Smasher	im fine with these as the cuts
2021-05-30 03:12:26	tpggaming4	yeah im alright with this per the discussion and definition 
2021-05-30 03:12:38	tpggaming4	oh 
2021-05-30 03:12:39	Pitohui	I did not have any notes on additions this year, fwiw
2021-05-30 03:12:49	tpggaming4	zange and funky? since theyre being cut from old C7
2021-05-30 03:13:04	NinjaSquid	We are at 17, right?
2021-05-30 03:13:14	Pitohui	18, NS
2021-05-30 03:13:17	Lakituthequick	21-3 =18
2021-05-30 03:13:31	NinjaSquid	oh okay
2021-05-30 03:13:48	Smasher	yeah eighteen
2021-05-30 03:14:29	tpggaming4	those two have been active shroom team leaders, and funky is coming up on 100 issues served and zange is also active within the shroom and awards presentations 
2021-05-30 03:14:33	Pitohui	RE: TPG I'm not sure how to say this more tactfully, but, has Funky done anything of note outside of directing PS? Because I don't know if just that quite reaches the scope of this Award
2021-05-30 03:14:41	tpggaming4	it depends if that's enough to dethrone other noms 
2021-05-30 03:14:43	Pitohui	Zange has Awards presentations to her name, too
2021-05-30 03:14:48	NinjaSquid	what kind of stuff would be consider for a good nomination?
2021-05-30 03:14:55	@_2257	you can delete me if you want
2021-05-30 03:15:06	NinjaSquid	like, hosting a 'shroom event be consider worthwhile?
2021-05-30 03:15:16	@Anton{Politoed}	is that a "please remove me" or "if needed, remove me"
2021-05-30 03:15:22	tpggaming4	i dont think funky has anything beyond PS director, no
2021-05-30 03:15:27	@_2257	more the latter
2021-05-30 03:15:31	NinjaSquid	considered*
2021-05-30 03:15:32	@Anton{Politoed}	ok
2021-05-30 03:15:38	@_2257	i dont care too much either way, but 
2021-05-30 03:15:56	@_2257	if there's someone who you think is deserving and you dont know who to cut, im volunteering
2021-05-30 03:16:07	Pitohui	I don't know about one single event, NS, unless it were pretty significant, but a 'Shroom event and maybe organizing and hosting some other things on top of that
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2021-05-30 03:16:16	Pitohui	If you were perhaps thinking Goombuigi
2021-05-30 03:16:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah, i think funky is very good at her one thing but not much more
2021-05-30 03:16:32	Smasher	same as 22 if needed - im fine with staying on the award but if needed im a valid cut since this wasnt my most active year
2021-05-30 03:16:50	NinjaSquid	yeah, it was that Pitohui
2021-05-30 03:17:24	@Anton{Politoed}	I'm eyeballing lb and mk to remove unless I can be convinced otherwise
2021-05-30 03:17:26	@Anton{Politoed}	perhaps more
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2021-05-30 03:17:41	Pitohui	I'd be willing to consider Goombuigi because he [i]has[/i] been getting pretty active and involved in a lot of areas, taking initiatives and hosting things so doing more than passively joining thing
2021-05-30 03:17:51	Pitohui	MK and LB were potential removals in my notes, fwiw, Anton
2021-05-30 03:18:04	Gabumon	I mean, logically we should probably go through each of these nominees and remove them unless we can come up with something outstanding that's associated with them
2021-05-30 03:18:10	NinjaSquid	was MK active is some sectors of the community in the last year?
2021-05-30 03:18:12	Gabumon	idk if we have the time for that though
2021-05-30 03:18:13	tpggaming4	lb's been hosting the photo contests and doing presentations, but nothing in a staff capacity 
2021-05-30 03:18:30	tpggaming4	id be willing to go through w that edo
2021-05-30 03:18:34	@Anton{Politoed}	also for clarification this isn't necessarily a staff award, just a like
2021-05-30 03:18:58	@Anton{Politoed}	"wowo they sure did a Thing(s) that helped support our community or stand out!"
2021-05-30 03:19:20	@Anton{Politoed}	and sure, we can do that, it may also support dossier work as well
2021-05-30 03:19:32	@Anton{Politoed}	all that's left is C10 and then full review
2021-05-30 03:19:47	Honoka_Chaosaka	not really ns
2021-05-30 03:20:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	in fact outside of the occasional conversation he's been totally detached this cycle
2021-05-30 03:20:16	@Anton{Politoed}	so given that C10 is likely the most significant award of this bunch, I would like to do that
2021-05-30 03:20:23	Gabumon	all right
2021-05-30 03:20:27	@Anton{Politoed}	question is, do it now, or at the end of the review which gives us a week to mull it over
2021-05-30 03:20:47	Pitohui	I'd be ready to tackle it now
2021-05-30 03:20:52	Gabumon	yeah
2021-05-30 03:20:55	@Anton{Politoed}	ok
2021-05-30 03:21:06	@Anton{Politoed}	https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_159/Community_Awards_Dossier#C10._Outstanding_Community_Achievement_Award
2021-05-30 03:21:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'd say now
2021-05-30 03:21:08	@Anton{Politoed}	for reference
2021-05-30 03:21:30	@Anton{Politoed}	also for log readers and note's sake, nothing here is personal
2021-05-30 03:21:34	tpggaming4	lets goo 
2021-05-30 03:21:35	Honoka_Chaosaka	nah it's good
2021-05-30 03:21:42	NinjaSquid	thanks Perch! In that case, if MK was a potential removal, than I'd be okay with it.
2021-05-30 03:21:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	i freely admit i've been pretty low-key this cycle so if you guys think i should be cut i'll eat it
2021-05-30 03:22:09	@Anton{Politoed}	(Porplemontage, 2257, Turboo, Anton, Superchao, Smasher, Yoshi876, MrConcreteDonkey, Lord Bowser, GBAToad, Lakituthequick, Glowsquid, Meta Knight, Ninja Squid, The Pyro Guy, Roserade, Hooded Pitohui, Doomhiker)
2021-05-30 03:22:14	@Anton{Politoed}	so, in this order we shall go
2021-05-30 03:22:21	Gabumon	porplemontage hosts the site, pays the bills, and ensures our continued existence, so he kinda qualifies by default
2021-05-30 03:22:27	@Anton{Politoed}	gr8
2021-05-30 03:22:30	tpggaming4	big up steve 
2021-05-30 03:22:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	honestly, unless porple ever steps down, he just has an eternal slot on this award imo
2021-05-30 03:22:33	Pitohui	Yeah, Porple is easy to put in
2021-05-30 03:22:44	Pitohui	It's nice he's quick to address things that come up, too
2021-05-30 03:22:51	Pitohui	We're lucky to have an accessible overlord
2021-05-30 03:22:59	Lakituthequick	he's maybe not very present in the community but he definitely listens and helps out when asked
2021-05-30 03:23:00	@Anton{Politoed}	 2257
2021-05-30 03:23:10	Smasher	porple doesnt seem like he should ever be removed at this point
2021-05-30 03:23:23	Smasher	unles he ever just leaves
2021-05-30 03:23:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	when i overthrow him in my continued pursuit of power, maybe
2021-05-30 03:23:43	Honoka_Chaosaka	anyhow, yeah, nothing's really coming to mind for 22
2021-05-30 03:23:58	Pitohui	22 has a pretty lengthy list of accomplishments on the dossier, but, with respect, I can't think of anything recent he's done of note
2021-05-30 03:24:17	@Anton{Politoed}	 22 provides indispensable support throughout the community, being consistently reliable in checking accuracy, chat staff decisions, helping peeps in chat with specific technical problems of all kinds, as well as a go-to guy for tech support 
2021-05-30 03:24:25	Lakituthequick	thinking about it, i more or less defacto took over his 'shroom job, haven't i
2021-05-30 03:24:33	Pitohui	More or less, LTQ, it seems
2021-05-30 03:24:39	Gabumon	he does a lot of fantastic things, but most of them are probably not related to the larger community
2021-05-30 03:24:52	Pitohui	Now I don't know all he does for Awards as Awards Staff, though I'm sure it's important
2021-05-30 03:25:14	Pitohui	Oh, dang, and, yeah, he's also really active as a Chat Op
2021-05-30 03:25:20	@_2257	actually my job with the shroom was more or less just a courtesy title with no attached responsibilities
2021-05-30 03:25:24	@_2257	you can have it if you want though
2021-05-30 03:25:30	@_2257	i always thought it was a little silly
2021-05-30 03:26:09	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think the most relevance it ever got was when raregold tried to strongarm you into voting 
2021-05-30 03:26:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	for sotm i mean
2021-05-30 03:26:24	@_2257	yeah, that was weird
2021-05-30 03:26:34	@Anton{Politoed}	i mean
2021-05-30 03:26:38	@_2257	but that was to be expected i guess
2021-05-30 03:26:40	@Anton{Politoed}	i've convinced myself 22 should stay
2021-05-30 03:26:42	Lakituthequick	we can consider the manager roles and stuff i guess, i wouldn't mind taking the 'title' in that sense
2021-05-30 03:27:10	Pitohui	Not to stray to far from Awards, but if you want to pass it along to LTQ, I'm fine with that, 22
2021-05-30 03:27:16	Smasher	im ok with 22 staying based on antons comments
2021-05-30 03:27:20	@_2257	sure 
2021-05-30 03:27:21	Lakituthequick	still, active staff roles in chat and also the help in translating Japanese things as they come up seem a great reason to keep you here
2021-05-30 03:27:24	NinjaSquid	I support keeping 22
2021-05-30 03:27:44	Goombuigi	I support keeping 22 also
2021-05-30 03:27:46	Pitohui	Yeah, keeping 22 works
2021-05-30 03:27:52	Power_Flotzo	Keep
2021-05-30 03:28:14	Lakituthequick	Minecraft command magician for games
2021-05-30 03:28:16	@turb	i agree with keeping him
2021-05-30 03:28:17	tpggaming4	k
2021-05-30 03:28:36	@Anton{Politoed}	Turboo
2021-05-30 03:28:51	@turb	i was also going to mention he still chimes in to wiki staff decisions depsite not really being under any reason to do that for like, 10 years, so
2021-05-30 03:28:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	sure
2021-05-30 03:28:58	Pitohui	Easy keep - Awards Sub-Director, Wiki Staff, generally active role in a lot of areas
2021-05-30 03:28:59	@turb	im neutral on being kept or not
2021-05-30 03:28:59	@Anton{Politoed}	realistically, same things I said for 22 except less emphasis on helping translate japanese
2021-05-30 03:29:06	tpggaming4	fail awards host
2021-05-30 03:29:08	tpggaming4	keep
2021-05-30 03:29:12	Smasher	keep
2021-05-30 03:29:16	Goombuigi	Keep
2021-05-30 03:29:18	NinjaSquid	keep Turboo
2021-05-30 03:29:21	Power_Flotzo	Keep
2021-05-30 03:29:27	@turb	i've downsized my presence for varying reasons i think but i'm also physically here as a warm body every day
2021-05-30 03:29:29	Gabumon	turb is one of the two people who goes through all the write-ins every year
2021-05-30 03:29:30	@turb	there's that
2021-05-30 03:29:34	@turb	true
2021-05-30 03:29:34	Gabumon	that's a default keep
2021-05-30 03:29:39	@turb	going to shit myself doing it this year
2021-05-30 03:29:39	@_2257	keep
2021-05-30 03:29:48	@Anton{Politoed}	Anton
2021-05-30 03:29:53	Smasher	who
2021-05-30 03:29:54	Pitohui	Keep
2021-05-30 03:29:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	duh
2021-05-30 03:29:55	Lakituthequick	:birdo:
2021-05-30 03:29:55	Gabumon	same as turb
2021-05-30 03:29:56	Smasher	(keep)
2021-05-30 03:29:58	Goombuigi	Keep
2021-05-30 03:30:00	@turb	keep
2021-05-30 03:30:00	@_2257	keep
2021-05-30 03:30:02	tpggaming4	didnt he retire in 2010? 
2021-05-30 03:30:13	tpggaming4	(keep
2021-05-30 03:30:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	no that was his Dark user
2021-05-30 03:30:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	Notna
2021-05-30 03:30:21	@turb	what world line did you shift to
2021-05-30 03:30:21	Pitohui	[s]No TPG, he was replaced by Dr. Toadley[/s]
2021-05-30 03:30:25	@turb	fear
2021-05-30 03:30:27	NinjaSquid	keep
2021-05-30 03:30:30	Smasher	horror
2021-05-30 03:30:56	@Anton{Politoed}	Superchao
2021-05-30 03:31:00	Lakituthequick	with more words though, been the awards guy for years and years and i can't imagine without anton
2021-05-30 03:31:03	@turb	sure
2021-05-30 03:31:05	Goombuigi	Keep
2021-05-30 03:31:14	@turb	runs the forums basically
2021-05-30 03:31:16	@turb	good enough
2021-05-30 03:31:21	Pitohui	I'm willing to argue that as the forum mod people tend to go to first and someone still heavily involved in The 'Shroom, he's a keeper
2021-05-30 03:31:22	Smasher	keep, almost like the head of the forum at this point
2021-05-30 03:31:22	Lakituthequick	Blocky is a good guy
2021-05-30 03:31:31	@_2257	keep
2021-05-30 03:31:35	Lakituthequick	shadow director etc
2021-05-30 03:31:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's too bad we don't have that old in charge of the forum title-
2021-05-30 03:31:37	tpggaming4	basically king
2021-05-30 03:31:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	(but thanks!)
2021-05-30 03:31:39	NinjaSquid	strong keep for perch
2021-05-30 03:31:40	Power_Flotzo	Keep 100%
2021-05-30 03:32:01	@Anton{Politoed}	Smasher
2021-05-30 03:32:03	Lakituthequick	can always ask things and advice
2021-05-30 03:32:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	neutral, she's a semi-active mod but that's about it
2021-05-30 03:32:21	Lakituthequick	(that last thing was for blocky still)
2021-05-30 03:32:22	@turb	neutral
2021-05-30 03:32:22	Pitohui	Per Perch
2021-05-30 03:32:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	the moralintern rises!
2021-05-30 03:32:43	Pitohui	Did step up as emergency Sub-Director, is a mod, is the Awards tallier, but I'm overall neutral
2021-05-30 03:32:46	@turb	i guess neutral isn't very helpful with actually making an argument to nuke her or keep her but i can't really think of anything especially compelling in either direction
2021-05-30 03:32:51	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah like
2021-05-30 03:33:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	smasher does stuff and i can lean on her but there's nothing super strong to point at
2021-05-30 03:33:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	i can be swayed
2021-05-30 03:33:15	Smasher	i do whatevers needed and am slowly picking up my activity back up but i have also been pretty lowkey this last year so im fine with either direction
2021-05-30 03:33:20	tpggaming4	willing to sacrifice to make room for new nominees or to trim down in general 
2021-05-30 03:33:35	tpggaming4	like edo said gotta find ways to cut things down when you can due to low votes 
2021-05-30 03:33:38	@Anton{Politoed}	Yoshi876
2021-05-30 03:33:38	Lakituthequick	i'm neutral, tipping towards removal
2021-05-30 03:33:51	@_2257	i havent seen him around at all this year
2021-05-30 03:33:51	Lakituthequick	uuuh
2021-05-30 03:33:54	@_2257	mayube i missed it?
2021-05-30 03:33:55	@turb	is he even still around
2021-05-30 03:33:56	Honoka_Chaosaka	then it sounds like smasher is a removal
2021-05-30 03:34:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	also kinda vaguely sorta but
2021-05-30 03:34:03	Smasher	im dead
2021-05-30 03:34:07	NinjaSquid	aside from spotlight, i haven't seen him around often
2021-05-30 03:34:08	Honoka_Chaosaka	very much nothing strong
2021-05-30 03:34:14	@Anton{Politoed}	ftr i'm not gonna make any solids cuts as of yet, but I'm definitely marking options down
2021-05-30 03:34:17	Lakituthequick	Yoshi did Sptlight but that is mostly Alex nowadays
2021-05-30 03:34:18	@turb	i'd be fine with axing him
2021-05-30 03:34:20	Pitohui	876 writes a lot of sections but it's less than the days he wrote half the paper
2021-05-30 03:34:22	tpggaming4	he liked some posts on the forum 
2021-05-30 03:34:25	Smasher	i dont really see y876 much anymore
2021-05-30 03:34:33	NinjaSquid	yeah pretty much what LTQ said
2021-05-30 03:34:36	Pitohui	876 is still around but you basically have to talk to him first
2021-05-30 03:34:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah i'm okay with a 876 cut
2021-05-30 03:34:39	@turb	i wouldn't push for his cut that hard as he's still somewhat present compared to some other options
2021-05-30 03:34:42	@turb	but i'm leaning cut
2021-05-30 03:35:02	tpggaming4	i appreciate that he does write approximately a million shroom sections
2021-05-30 03:35:07	@Anton{Politoed}	I think yoshi876 is an example of someone we can keep on the award as a role model
2021-05-30 03:35:18	Goombuigi	I'm torn on 876
2021-05-30 03:35:36	@Anton{Politoed}	I'll still mark as an option but _
2021-05-30 03:35:53	Gabumon	I think like, if we can't come up with a strong compelling reason for keeping, that kind of defaults to removal
2021-05-30 03:36:21	Gabumon	that's in regards to smasher btw, I was just late
2021-05-30 03:36:24	@turb	yeah i can agree with that
2021-05-30 03:36:34	@turb	re: smasher and y876 alike
2021-05-30 03:36:51	@turb	the role model point is valid as he was carrying a shitload of the paper on his back in the past
2021-05-30 03:36:55	@turb	and it is the lifetime award i think
2021-05-30 03:37:04	@turb	well maybe not anymore but
2021-05-30 03:37:07	Gabumon	also, I think general inactivity also kind of leans towards removal
2021-05-30 03:37:10	@turb	that's how my brain still parses it
2021-05-30 03:37:43	@Anton{Politoed}	MrConcreteDonkey
2021-05-30 03:38:06	Pitohui	I'm leaning in support of keeping MCD
2021-05-30 03:38:07	Lakituthequick	forum mod and did 100 fake news'es
2021-05-30 03:38:11	@turb	good at emulating the garth marenghi's darkplace script but he's not really active here anymore so i'd be fine with cutting
2021-05-30 03:38:15	Lakituthequick	chat admin too i think
2021-05-30 03:38:25	@turb	like i could be swayed in either direction
2021-05-30 03:38:26	Pitohui	His 100 fake news, forum mod, really big contributor to community events (ERNEST FINE)
2021-05-30 03:38:27	tpggaming4	same boat as 876 imo but he's more engaged with the community in general
2021-05-30 03:38:29	@turb	he's arguably more around than 876
2021-05-30 03:38:31	@turb	yeah
2021-05-30 03:38:38	Lakituthequick	per tpg
2021-05-30 03:38:43	NinjaSquid	leaning keep
2021-05-30 03:38:46	meowth	neutral
2021-05-30 03:39:01	Gabumon	a question we have to ask is
2021-05-30 03:39:09	NinjaSquid	mcd is a bit more active than 876
2021-05-30 03:39:11	Gabumon	what has the person done recently
2021-05-30 03:39:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	he's not a forum mod
2021-05-30 03:39:15	Honoka_Chaosaka	anymore
2021-05-30 03:39:17	Gabumon	and how is it outstanding
2021-05-30 03:39:18	Pitohui	Former Forum Mod
2021-05-30 03:39:25	@turb	yeah i think he hasnt had forum mod or wiki admin positions in a while
2021-05-30 03:39:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah but that's mypoint
2021-05-30 03:39:36	Honoka_Chaosaka	this is meant to be a current award - that's why we cut walkazo
2021-05-30 03:39:36	Lakituthequick	ah yeah
2021-05-30 03:39:41	Pitohui	Reasonable
2021-05-30 03:39:43	@turb	i can link you a backstory mcd wrote for his dnd character since it lives rent free in my head
2021-05-30 03:39:46	@turb	that's about it
2021-05-30 03:39:56	@turb	idk if he's done anything community related outside having like
2021-05-30 03:40:02	@turb	a really good roleplay in the last awards kg
2021-05-30 03:40:03	Honoka_Chaosaka	let's be real ernest fine's entire existence is an achievement award
2021-05-30 03:40:09	@turb	recently i mean
2021-05-30 03:40:20	Honoka_Chaosaka	,but in seriousness he's a good guy but everything he's actively DONE is like
2021-05-30 03:40:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	outside of the cycle
2021-05-30 03:40:25	@turb	yeah
2021-05-30 03:40:26	Pitohui	MCD does do some really, really memorable work in community events like KGs
2021-05-30 03:40:40	Pitohui	But I suppose that's not itself outstanding without more to support it
2021-05-30 03:40:47	@turb	made me laugh 10/10
2021-05-30 03:40:56	Pitohui	Which is the only reason we can't add Waluigi Time just for Shmaluigi...
2021-05-30 03:41:03	@Anton{Politoed}	Lord Bowser
2021-05-30 03:41:07	Pitohui	Remove
2021-05-30 03:41:11	Lakituthequick	exists
2021-05-30 03:41:12	Gabumon	he seems kind of retired at this point
2021-05-30 03:41:12	@_2257	lb is basically gone
2021-05-30 03:41:22	Pitohui	The only thing I can think of is the Photo Contest and that was one small-ish thing
2021-05-30 03:41:24	tpggaming4	does photo contests and presentations 
2021-05-30 03:41:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	remove
2021-05-30 03:41:27	meowth	remove
2021-05-30 03:41:31	Goombuigi	Leaning towards removal
2021-05-30 03:41:32	@turb	remove
2021-05-30 03:41:36	Power_Flotzo	Remove
2021-05-30 03:41:38	tpggaming4	which is a once a year thing so, remove
2021-05-30 03:41:40	Lakituthequick	is to host kg with me if anything
2021-05-30 03:41:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	lb has been wholly assimilated by nookazon
2021-05-30 03:41:55	Pitohui	I think that'll come up next year, LTQ
2021-05-30 03:41:57	@Anton{Politoed}	GBAToad
2021-05-30 03:41:59	NinjaSquid	leaning cut for lb
2021-05-30 03:42:01	Pitohui	Keep
2021-05-30 03:42:01	@turb	keep
2021-05-30 03:42:01	Gabumon	keep
2021-05-30 03:42:03	tpggaming4	yeah i think akg5 misses the cycle for this year
2021-05-30 03:42:04	Honoka_Chaosaka	keep
2021-05-30 03:42:06	Goombuigi	Keep
2021-05-30 03:42:07	NinjaSquid	keep GBA
2021-05-30 03:42:08	Gabumon	hes doing a big tournament
2021-05-30 03:42:10	Power_Flotzo	Keep
2021-05-30 03:42:10	meowth	keep
2021-05-30 03:42:10	Pitohui	AKG4 if nothing else is worth it
2021-05-30 03:42:11	@_2257	gba is doing good stuff
2021-05-30 03:42:15	Pitohui	And he has more to his name
2021-05-30 03:42:16	Lakituthequick	yes gbatoad is a keeper
2021-05-30 03:42:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	hosted the very impressive akg4, doing another tournament, generally active and helpful
2021-05-30 03:42:23	tpggaming4	gba did so much work in akg4 
2021-05-30 03:42:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	and he's just good about pushing community things
2021-05-30 03:42:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	he's earned it
2021-05-30 03:42:29	@turb	yay scribble tournament
2021-05-30 03:42:31	tpggaming4	im fighting for him staying 
2021-05-30 03:42:34	@Anton{Politoed}	Lakituthequick
2021-05-30 03:42:35	@turb	:clinthype:
2021-05-30 03:42:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	Everything
2021-05-30 03:42:37	@turb	keep
2021-05-30 03:42:37	Pitohui	Doodle, everyone, doodle
2021-05-30 03:42:42	Gabumon	keep
2021-05-30 03:42:43	@_2257	seems like a transparent keep
2021-05-30 03:42:44	meowth	keep
2021-05-30 03:42:45	tpggaming4	easy keep
2021-05-30 03:42:46	Honoka_Chaosaka	ltq basicallyk eeps the shroom running
2021-05-30 03:42:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	tech-side
2021-05-30 03:42:49	Pitohui	Keep
2021-05-30 03:42:53	Pitohui	LTQ is a godsend
2021-05-30 03:42:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	and awards too
2021-05-30 03:42:56	Lakituthequick	i do things i suppose
2021-05-30 03:42:58	Pitohui	I want to make a statue of this man
2021-05-30 03:43:00	tpggaming4	community without ltq :whatevs:
2021-05-30 03:43:02	Pitohui	For all he does for me
2021-05-30 03:43:03	NinjaSquid	strong keep LTQ
2021-05-30 03:43:03	@Anton{Politoed}	Glowsquid
2021-05-30 03:43:07	Pitohui	and the paper and the community
2021-05-30 03:43:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	he's honestly the greatest redemption arc in communtiy history
2021-05-30 03:43:10	tpggaming4	ez keep
2021-05-30 03:43:12	Honoka_Chaosaka	ltq i mean
2021-05-30 03:43:15	Pitohui	Glowsquid's a fine keep
2021-05-30 03:43:16	@turb	he runs the twitter and is like the face of the bureaucrats so sure
2021-05-30 03:43:23	tpggaming4	he's mr wiki or something
2021-05-30 03:43:26	Lakituthequick	yeah glowsquid is also a keeper
2021-05-30 03:43:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah he's basically me but for the wiki instead of the forum
2021-05-30 03:43:30	Pitohui	Important Wiki matters, most noted Bureacrat, Twitter man
2021-05-30 03:43:31	NinjaSquid	keep
2021-05-30 03:43:33	@_2257	yeah glowsquids a good one
2021-05-30 03:43:39	Honoka_Chaosaka	like if you think "who runs the wiki" it's not porple
2021-05-30 03:43:41	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's glowsquid
2021-05-30 03:43:44	meowth	glowsquid is pretty much the first person i think of when i think of wiki staff
2021-05-30 03:43:48	meowth	keep
2021-05-30 03:43:52	@Anton{Politoed}	Meta Knight
2021-05-30 03:43:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	remove
2021-05-30 03:43:56	Gabumon	dealing with twitter on a regular basis is already enough on its own for keep
2021-05-30 03:43:57	Pitohui	I'm leaning remove
2021-05-30 03:43:58	Honoka_Chaosaka	he's barely been around at all
2021-05-30 03:44:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	much less DONE anything
2021-05-30 03:44:02	@_2257	havent seen him at all in like 2 years
2021-05-30 03:44:04	NinjaSquid	cut
2021-05-30 03:44:04	Goombuigi	Remove
2021-05-30 03:44:08	@turb	remove
2021-05-30 03:44:08	tpggaming4	he popped up in the last week to talk on discord a little
2021-05-30 03:44:15	tpggaming4	thats not grounds for keeping though
2021-05-30 03:44:19	tpggaming4	i just thought it  was ince
2021-05-30 03:44:19	@_2257	oh really 
2021-05-30 03:44:19	Honoka_Chaosaka	nonsense tpg
2021-05-30 03:44:20	tpggaming4	nice
2021-05-30 03:44:22	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm reversing
2021-05-30 03:44:25	@Anton{Politoed}	Ninja Squid
2021-05-30 03:44:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	we're keeping him hell or high water!!
2021-05-30 03:44:29	@turb	i think he pretty much admitted to us that he was just popping in for a second didn't he
2021-05-30 03:44:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	ns is an actual keep
2021-05-30 03:44:32	@_2257	i didnt think mk was here in any capacity
2021-05-30 03:44:32	Pitohui	Keep
2021-05-30 03:44:34	@turb	ns is active so keep
2021-05-30 03:44:35	meowth	i saw him today but nothing really related to the community, remove
2021-05-30 03:44:36	Pitohui	NS is absolutely great
2021-05-30 03:44:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	he does a LOT for the shroom
2021-05-30 03:44:41	Pitohui	Comes up with wonderful ideas
2021-05-30 03:44:42	meowth	@ mk, keep for ns
2021-05-30 03:44:44	Pitohui	Does a lot for the paper
2021-05-30 03:44:48	Pitohui	Major pusher of the community
2021-05-30 03:44:52	tpggaming4	gotta have that NS juice
2021-05-30 03:44:54	Lakituthequick	I like trains
2021-05-30 03:44:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think he's the only person who made the activities manager position feel actually relevant 
2021-05-30 03:44:59	Goombuigi	Keep
2021-05-30 03:45:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	and he doesn't even have it
2021-05-30 03:45:03	Honoka_Chaosaka	but still!!
2021-05-30 03:45:13	@Anton{Politoed}	The Pyro Guy
2021-05-30 03:45:15	tpggaming4	kill
2021-05-30 03:45:17	Lakituthequick	yes
2021-05-30 03:45:19	Lakituthequick	uh
2021-05-30 03:45:20	Pitohui	Keep
2021-05-30 03:45:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	yes
2021-05-30 03:45:22	Lakituthequick	yes to keep
2021-05-30 03:45:23	NinjaSquid	keep
2021-05-30 03:45:23	@turb	keep
2021-05-30 03:45:24	meowth	keep
2021-05-30 03:45:25	Gabumon	keep
2021-05-30 03:45:27	Honoka_Chaosaka	akg4 
2021-05-30 03:45:27	Power_Flotzo	Keep
2021-05-30 03:45:27	Goombuigi	Keep
2021-05-30 03:45:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	other community art
2021-05-30 03:45:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	shroom art
2021-05-30 03:45:33	Lakituthequick	gaming
2021-05-30 03:45:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	etc
2021-05-30 03:45:33	Pitohui	Per Perch
2021-05-30 03:45:35	@turb	shaped my sense of humor
2021-05-30 03:45:36	@_2257	yeah keep tpg
2021-05-30 03:45:42	@_2257	unless he really wants to die
2021-05-30 03:45:56	tpggaming4	responsible for steering the communitys greater sense of humour into the nearest shittiest valley
2021-05-30 03:46:03	@Anton{Politoed}	Roserade
2021-05-30 03:46:06	@turb	if tpg tries to get himself off the award i will petition that i also be removed
2021-05-30 03:46:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	easy keep
2021-05-30 03:46:07	Pitohui	Absolute keep
2021-05-30 03:46:07	@turb	keep
2021-05-30 03:46:08	Goombuigi	Keep
2021-05-30 03:46:11	meowth	keep
2021-05-30 03:46:12	tpggaming4	keep 
2021-05-30 03:46:16	Pitohui	I will fight for Rose in any capacity 
2021-05-30 03:46:17	tpggaming4	gotta have roserade 
2021-05-30 03:46:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	i can confirm rose is a wondeful successor to me as subdirector
2021-05-30 03:46:24	Pitohui	(Not that I have to, it seems)
2021-05-30 03:46:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	and he does a lot outside of that
2021-05-30 03:46:29	Lakituthequick	pillar
2021-05-30 03:46:29	tpggaming4	yeah hes like 
2021-05-30 03:46:32	Lakituthequick	Rose Garden etc.
2021-05-30 03:46:33	tpggaming4	got that user comic 
2021-05-30 03:46:34	NinjaSquid	We better keep Rose
2021-05-30 03:46:42	@_2257	rose has a user comic?
2021-05-30 03:46:47	tpggaming4	yeah from like 4 years ago
2021-05-30 03:46:50	@_2257	oh
2021-05-30 03:46:50	Pitohui	Nah, it's a user fic now
2021-05-30 03:46:54	Pitohui	He has one chapter so far
2021-05-30 03:46:59	@Anton{Politoed}	Hooded Pitohui
2021-05-30 03:47:00	Gabumon	for the sake of the logs, can we include reasons for keeping
2021-05-30 03:47:02	tpggaming4	it was a cool comic but it only got to chapter 2
2021-05-30 03:47:06	Goombuigi	Keep
2021-05-30 03:47:13	Gabumon	otherwise it might look like nepotism
2021-05-30 03:47:15	meowth	keep
2021-05-30 03:47:20	tpggaming4	roserade is an extremely active staff member in the shroom and general pusher of community activity
2021-05-30 03:47:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah that's what i'm doing
2021-05-30 03:47:30	Pitohui	Per TPG on Rose
2021-05-30 03:47:32	@turb	keep
2021-05-30 03:47:32	@_2257	pitohui has to go on for his shroom work right
2021-05-30 03:47:33	tpggaming4	fun stuff, sub director, rose garden, shroomfests 
2021-05-30 03:47:34	Lakituthequick	i will kill whoever wants to remove hp
2021-05-30 03:47:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	in this case, keep because he's a very active, engaging, and energetic shroom director
2021-05-30 03:47:44	Honoka_Chaosaka	who has made the shroom a powerhouse again
2021-05-30 03:47:47	NinjaSquid	Keep Pito, Keep the Birds!
2021-05-30 03:47:50	Honoka_Chaosaka	AND he also ran the PC
2021-05-30 03:47:55	Honoka_Chaosaka	and managed to keep it active all year!
2021-05-30 03:47:57	Honoka_Chaosaka	which is NOT easy
2021-05-30 03:47:58	tpggaming4	i personally accredit pitohui for 80% of the community's resurgence in activity
2021-05-30 03:48:04	@turb	yeah i just want to say rose is keep because of his shroom work, community activity participation, etc., pitohui also does a ton of projects and often pushes for activity as well
2021-05-30 03:48:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	i love pitohui
2021-05-30 03:48:10	meowth	i think other people can explain more than i can why specific people are staying so
2021-05-30 03:48:13	Honoka_Chaosaka	i will die for this man
2021-05-30 03:48:13	Pitohui	I'm very flattered right now. I mean, Awwww
2021-05-30 03:48:15	@turb	to think he was just the guy roserade invited.........
2021-05-30 03:48:18	@turb	i mean
2021-05-30 03:48:19	tpggaming4	i was a doomer before he became shroom guy
2021-05-30 03:48:19	Pitohui	I adore this community so much
2021-05-30 03:48:20	@turb	raregold
2021-05-30 03:48:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	it's funny to me
2021-05-30 03:48:24	@turb	mixed up my r's
2021-05-30 03:48:26	meowth	rose and pito just seem obvious
2021-05-30 03:48:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	he was just "raregold's friend?"
2021-05-30 03:48:38	Honoka_Chaosaka	but now he's one of my best friends
2021-05-30 03:48:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	i stole him...
2021-05-30 03:48:58	@Anton{Politoed}	Doomhiker
2021-05-30 03:48:59	Gabumon	that's grand theft bird
2021-05-30 03:49:16	@turb	uhhh what does he do nowadays outside wiki staff stuff
2021-05-30 03:49:19	@turb	not meant rudely i just forgot
2021-05-30 03:49:19	Pitohui	I'll support Doomhiker for continued 'Shroom work, Wiki work
2021-05-30 03:49:21	Lakituthequick	doomhiker mostly exists on the wiki
2021-05-30 03:49:22	tpggaming4	fake news director 
2021-05-30 03:49:25	@Anton{Politoed}	I think the reasons listed in the dossier for doom have been maintained
2021-05-30 03:49:36	Lakituthequick	also does fake news
2021-05-30 03:49:43	NinjaSquid	fake news director yeah
2021-05-30 03:49:44	@Anton{Politoed}	whenever a hot topic comes up in wombat I can rely on him to have commentary
2021-05-30 03:49:47	Pitohui	And continues to speak firmly and clearly to community members when it comes to things
2021-05-30 03:49:47	@turb	if he's consistent with the dossier, and i do see him around actively with him contributing to wiki stuff for sure, i'm fine with keeping him
2021-05-30 03:49:49	@turb	yeah he always comments
2021-05-30 03:49:51	tpggaming4	yeah he's been doing good work internally in the shroom staff too 
2021-05-30 03:49:51	@turb	i appreciate that
2021-05-30 03:49:57	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah, doomhiker's wiki stuff is pretty strong 
2021-05-30 03:49:59	@turb	good internal wiki staff work
2021-05-30 03:50:03	Honoka_Chaosaka	and that's our motive for glowsquid too so
2021-05-30 03:50:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	totally valid
2021-05-30 03:50:06	@Anton{Politoed}	not that wombat discussions are public but _
2021-05-30 03:50:08	tpggaming4	he went all in on kickstarting discussion on pipe plaza and stuff
2021-05-30 03:50:08	meowth	i think doomhiker is a good community member
2021-05-30 03:50:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah he does a lot of spontaneous stuff and i think that alone is important
2021-05-30 03:50:23	NinjaSquid	keep
2021-05-30 03:50:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	like, the energy to just waltz right in and go "hey what if we changed this
2021-05-30 03:50:39	tpggaming4	powerful
2021-05-30 03:50:44	Pitohui	Per Perch and TPG
2021-05-30 03:51:00	meowth	gonna vote keep
2021-05-30 03:51:14	@Anton{Politoed}	potential removals from general consensus of this are:
2021-05-30 03:51:16	@Anton{Politoed}	Smasher, Yoshi876, MrConcreteDonkey, Lord Bowser, Meta Knight
2021-05-30 03:51:52	Honoka_Chaosaka	i agree with all of these
2021-05-30 03:51:59	Honoka_Chaosaka	i think the only one i'd second guess miiight be smasher
2021-05-30 03:52:01	Lakituthequick	of which Yoshi and MCD seem to have weaker removal points i feel
2021-05-30 03:52:02	Honoka_Chaosaka	the other four are 100% cuts 
2021-05-30 03:52:18	Honoka_Chaosaka	mcd's problem is that this isn't lifetime achivement, honestly
2021-05-30 03:52:24	Honoka_Chaosaka	if it was i would be dying on the hill to keep him
2021-05-30 03:52:24	meowth	im gonna go ahead and take myself out of the running this year
2021-05-30 03:52:30	meowth	id love to stay on
2021-05-30 03:52:43	Goombuigi	I 100% agree with MK, LB, and MCD
2021-05-30 03:52:55	meowth	but by my own admission i cant point to anything significant ive done in the last 12 months
2021-05-30 03:53:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	alright, then smasher is decided for sure
2021-05-30 03:53:05	@_2257	so if we cut them all, that would bring it to 13 right
2021-05-30 03:53:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	b/c user wish override
2021-05-30 03:53:10	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah
2021-05-30 03:53:14	Honoka_Chaosaka	since we already cut down to 18 before this
2021-05-30 03:53:21	meowth	unless someone gives me a good reason i should stay for this year
2021-05-30 03:53:40	@_2257	that time the other day when there was that really weird vote
2021-05-30 03:53:51	meowth	true
2021-05-30 03:54:07	Pitohui	I do think NS had a good suggestion in adding Goombuigi - highly involved, taking on active roles hosting events, running in the Director election with a strong platform, actively asks questions of existing staff in various areas to learn more to take up new positions
2021-05-30 03:54:31	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm sort of curious about what people would think of Waluigi Time for this award; i could see both "yes" and "not yet' arguments
2021-05-30 03:54:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	so since we have space i want to pitch the idea and see how it lands
2021-05-30 03:54:53	Pitohui	I'm kind of feeling... yes, honestly? Now that we have the space
2021-05-30 03:54:57	NinjaSquid	WT is patroller and quite active in the community as well
2021-05-30 03:55:13	NinjaSquid	i'd be leaning for yes in his case
2021-05-30 03:55:26	tpggaming4	does he fit the same pretty stern criteria we've just removed a bunch of others for 
2021-05-30 03:55:28	Pitohui	Involved in basically everything now, actively shills for other people's events, works hard to get them noticed, pioneered a new interactive 'Shroom section that's distinct from MSM
2021-05-30 03:55:36	Goombuigi	I agree with WT being on there
2021-05-30 03:55:42	tpggaming4	im happy to have them both im just checking its consistent 
2021-05-30 03:55:42	meowth	i kind of like both the goomuigi and wt suggestions
2021-05-30 03:55:46	Gabumon	that seems notable enough for me
2021-05-30 03:55:53	@_2257	i think we've cut people mostly for being inactive 
2021-05-30 03:56:05	@_2257	i dont think it's bad if we let people who are active right now on
2021-05-30 03:56:07	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah a lot of our cuts are "they're around but they don't do anything" or "not around"
2021-05-30 03:56:16	Honoka_Chaosaka	wt does a lot of pushing, promoting, and active support
2021-05-30 03:56:21	Honoka_Chaosaka	and his wiki work was enough to get him promoted
2021-05-30 03:56:21	Pitohui	Waluigi Time and Goombuigi definitely have my support
2021-05-30 03:56:23	Honoka_Chaosaka	so i support him
2021-05-30 03:56:26	Honoka_Chaosaka	and goombuigi, too
2021-05-30 03:56:35	@turb	i am fine with having waluigi time on here
2021-05-30 03:56:36	Smasher	yeah im being cut because i havent really been active up until the committee started and the others are similar
2021-05-30 03:56:47	NinjaSquid	yeah I support adding Goombuigi and Waluigi Time as well
2021-05-30 03:56:53	@turb	i would say he's pretty much a new face of the community who carved out a niche for himself pretty fast with regards to his wiki work and community involvement
2021-05-30 03:57:00	@turb	goombuigi gets my vote of support for basically the same reasons
2021-05-30 03:57:03	Pitohui	I'd also kind of consider Shoey, who's become Chief Shiller lately, picked up like, seven sections, pushing other people's stuff and jumping in to spur activity
2021-05-30 03:57:16	Gabumon	I'm cutting myself (don't quote that out of context) for no recent notable accomplishments
2021-05-30 03:57:30	Honoka_Chaosaka	i'm not AS sure on shoey as the other two
2021-05-30 03:57:37	Honoka_Chaosaka	not opposed just not Definite Yes like wt/goom
2021-05-30 03:57:48	Pitohui	Yeah, that's why I list him separately from those two for myself
2021-05-30 03:57:58	Gabumon	most of the stuff I do is in minecraft, so if that was a more relevant branch of the community I would have a different opinion
2021-05-30 03:58:02	NinjaSquid	I could also consider adding BLOF in C10
2021-05-30 03:58:20	NinjaSquid	Patroller, Roleplay Mod, active in the community
2021-05-30 03:58:32	Pitohui	He's doing a lot, but the one difference is that he hasn't really... started any- well, no, he did do a new format of interaction for What's in a Campaign
2021-05-30 03:58:34	Honoka_Chaosaka	if anything i'd think blof has a stronger claim than shoey for those reasons
2021-05-30 03:58:45	Goombuigi	I support BLOF, not sure about Shoey
2021-05-30 03:58:50	Pitohui	And he also has been going hard on cross-promotion, linking different activities and things together
2021-05-30 03:58:56	Lakituthequick	I'd have BLOF over Shoey
2021-05-30 03:59:02	Pitohui	But, I'm half dozen one way twelve the other with him
2021-05-30 03:59:11	Pitohui	Er, six the other
2021-05-30 03:59:17	Pitohui	I never, ever get that phrase right
2021-05-30 03:59:20	Smasher	i dont mind either but do think blof has the stronger case
2021-05-30 03:59:30	tpggaming4	blof over shoey 
2021-05-30 03:59:36	tpggaming4	nothing personal 
2021-05-30 03:59:40	Pitohui	BLoF is a good pick
2021-05-30 03:59:41	@Anton{Politoed}	is this a question of one over the other
2021-05-30 03:59:42	@_2257	im honestly inclined to be generous with this and say they can all come on if we've got space
2021-05-30 03:59:45	@turb	minecraft will be relevant when i force people to join the minecraft server in order to join awards tournaments
2021-05-30 03:59:49	Honoka_Chaosaka	we have space for both, so
2021-05-30 03:59:51	@turb	also same as 22 i think
2021-05-30 04:00:10	@turb	like if we have the space and people feel they're deserving of being on then the votes can decide what direction we take the next year
2021-05-30 04:00:11	@_2257	i don't see a good reason NOT to recognise people who are currently putting effort into the community
2021-05-30 04:00:12	@Anton{Politoed}	what's shoey's document-official name
2021-05-30 04:00:25	Pitohui	Chester Alan Arthur
2021-05-30 04:00:26	Smasher	oh i was just saying that im more in support of blof but im personally not against shoey either
2021-05-30 04:00:32	Honoka_Chaosaka	btw
2021-05-30 04:00:33	Honoka_Chaosaka	edo
2021-05-30 04:00:33	Lakituthequick	Goomba's Shoe<number>, Raven Effect, something else?
2021-05-30 04:00:35	Honoka_Chaosaka	this was a very good idea
2021-05-30 04:00:40	Honoka_Chaosaka	i didn't realize how much shakeup the award could use
2021-05-30 04:00:45	Honoka_Chaosaka	until we really looked it over
2021-05-30 04:00:48	Pitohui	Agreed, very good suggestion, Edo
2021-05-30 04:00:54	@_2257	i dont think chester alan arthur is a good choice
2021-05-30 04:00:58	@_2257	for his name i mean
2021-05-30 04:01:01	Honoka_Chaosaka	so now we have a bunch of our relevant active people 
2021-05-30 04:01:03	@_2257	i dont think anyone calls him that ever
2021-05-30 04:01:07	Pitohui	I think it's what we have as his current Wiki name
2021-05-30 04:01:12	Pitohui	But we could make that Shoey
2021-05-30 04:01:12	Gabumon	thank you
2021-05-30 04:01:14	@turb	i feel like we should just call him shoey
2021-05-30 04:01:15	@Anton{Politoed}	"So You Want to Conquer Japan? (Shoey),"
2021-05-30 04:01:16	@Anton{Politoed}	shoey it is
2021-05-30 04:01:16	Smasher	it would probably be better to do shoey
2021-05-30 04:01:21	Lakituthequick	I never refer to Shoey by his wiki name
2021-05-30 04:01:22	@turb	that's the only name people really know him by as a consistent thing
2021-05-30 04:01:27	Pitohui	I'll standardize it to Shoey on the Dossier
2021-05-30 04:01:33	@turb	also yeah
2021-05-30 04:01:36	Lakituthequick	Seems like the forum theme kinda deal but more limited
2021-05-30 04:01:37	Smasher	if i ever refer to him as chester just shoot me honestly
2021-05-30 04:01:37	@turb	i am glad we decided to overhaul this
2021-05-30 04:01:43	NinjaSquid	I'm good with adding BLOF and Shoey, but if I have to chose one or the other, I'd go with BLOF.
2021-05-30 04:01:44	@Anton{Politoed}	similar would be me as Anton instead of Hypnotoad
2021-05-30 04:01:49	@turb	so thank you edo
2021-05-30 04:01:53	Smasher	this was a good idea yeah
2021-05-30 04:01:55	@Anton{Politoed}	i'd change that on the wiki but that's more effort than I care to put in
2021-05-30 04:02:10	Lakituthequick	👏 Edo
2021-05-30 04:02:40	Gabumon	I hope we can put minecraft games onto next years community event award
2021-05-30 04:02:49	@turb	me too
2021-05-30 04:03:04	Pitohui	I can actually do MC games now that I've gotten MC for New Princeton
2021-05-30 04:03:05	Honoka_Chaosaka	same
2021-05-30 04:03:06	Pitohui	Exciting
2021-05-30 04:03:32	Lakituthequick	I had Minecraft last year but then games didn't exist
2021-05-30 04:04:20	@Anton{Politoed}	so, C10 is effectively complete
2021-05-30 04:04:24	Gabumon	we're making plans for it to exist this year
2021-05-30 04:04:25	@Anton{Politoed}	as is our meeting time
2021-05-30 04:04:36	@Anton{Politoed}	rip to ltq's preparedness for the review
2021-05-30 04:04:36	Lakituthequick	this was a good use of time
2021-05-30 04:04:42	Lakituthequick	rip?
2021-05-30 04:04:53	Lakituthequick	can never be too prepared
2021-05-30 04:04:59	Pitohui	Yeah, we hammered out Community Awards well this year
2021-05-30 04:05:00	@Anton{Politoed}	a valid point
2021-05-30 04:05:00	@turb	:clap:
2021-05-30 04:05:05	tpggaming4	lesgoo
2021-05-30 04:05:14	Pitohui	Thanks to you all for dealing with me pestering you to vote in forum polls
2021-05-30 04:05:24	Pitohui	Now this week I get to crank out the Dossier
2021-05-30 04:05:54	@turb	do we know what's going on with polls in relation to e3
2021-05-30 04:05:58	@turb	i was thinking about that
2021-05-30 04:06:05	Pitohui	They come out before it, iirc
2021-05-30 04:06:06	Lakituthequick	oh boy
2021-05-30 04:06:08	Lakituthequick	e3
2021-05-30 04:06:08	@Anton{Politoed}	polls go up June 13th
2021-05-30 04:06:11	@turb	like are we waiting or are we just going to tell nintendo to eat our ass
2021-05-30 04:06:12	@turb	ok
2021-05-30 04:06:13	@_2257	we dont have the upcoming game award anyway
2021-05-30 04:06:17	@turb	yeah true
2021-05-30 04:06:28	Pitohui	13th = Set presentation order / Polls Open
2021-05-30 04:06:29	Pitohui	15th  – 17th = E3 Conference
2021-05-30 04:06:29	Honoka_Chaosaka	yeah e3 generally only mattered for upcoming
2021-05-30 04:06:29	Uniju	where mc peeps
2021-05-30 04:06:30	Pitohui	Yeah
2021-05-30 04:06:30	@_2257	the chances of something coming out in time are pretty low
2021-05-30 04:06:36	@turb	that was usually the only reason we started banging tables around e3 specifically rather than just like
2021-05-30 04:06:37	Uniju	im taking over this meeting
2021-05-30 04:06:39	@Anton{Politoed}	"Nintendo hasn’t announced exactly when it will be holding its E3 2021 direct, but it’s guaranteed to happen sometime between June 12 to 15. Unlike EA and Sony, Nintendo is still a partner of the ESA (Entertainment Software Association) so it should hold its livestream during the official week of E3."
2021-05-30 04:06:45	Uniju	its time to decide on when mc games is happening
2021-05-30 04:06:47	@turb	doing a review before polls
2021-05-30 04:06:51	@turb	i dont know when mc games is happening
2021-05-30 04:07:04	@_2257	i dont know either
2021-05-30 04:07:10	@_2257	should we hold a poll
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2021-05-30 04:07:48	Uniju	no we should unilaterally decide it right now and if anyone complains we're cancelling it again
2021-05-30 04:07:56	Gabumon	good idea
2021-05-30 04:07:56	@turb	when do i have to have the hotel done by
2021-05-30 04:08:01	@_2257	well
2021-05-30 04:08:04	Gabumon	3 hours, turb
2021-05-30 04:08:07	@turb	fear
2021-05-30 04:08:10	@_2257	how many games do we have i guess
2021-05-30 04:08:12	Smasher	cant wait for the first mario game after marios death to be announced at e3
2021-05-30 04:08:34	Uniju	hunger games, spleef, murderer, shine runners, payload
2021-05-30 04:08:41	Gabumon	hunger games, payload, shine runners, murder
2021-05-30 04:08:45	Gabumon	spleef
2021-05-30 04:08:47	@turb	ctf is in development
2021-05-30 04:08:47	Honoka_Chaosaka	uniju
2021-05-30 04:08:52	@_2257	right, so 10 games if we count them all twice
2021-05-30 04:08:54	Honoka_Chaosaka	mc games is happening September 8th-10th
2021-05-30 04:08:56	Honoka_Chaosaka	done
2021-05-30 04:09:01	Lakituthequick	is this were i cut off the logs for awards
2021-05-30 04:09:02	Uniju	thanks
2021-05-30 04:09:08	@turb	mario party is also in development but i dont know when gba plans to finish that and i dont want to rush him either
2021-05-30 04:09:14	@turb	probably ltq