Topic for #mwikiawards is ``"An Excellent Meeting" - Chef Excellence, 2015 || Awards are canceled, I have a hair appointment the day of the ceremony and I can't miss it, soz || 1st meeting hype || http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=36197.0 Links || Number of meetings survived: 5''
Topic for #mwikiawards was set by Gabumon!chatzilla@hmln-747-728-375-889.797.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de on zaterdag 2 april 2016 4:07:49
nyway fw i was gonna make this a post but i was out with relatives + took a nap
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'll give a couple minutes to vote
<turb>
i suggested warioware for the thing because it's like the last good nominee we can get unless theres a bad subseriees that slipped under my nose
<Toadbert>
diddy kong racing ds almost looked worse than the original
<Toadbert>
and in some cases probably did
<turb>
any farther and we dig into "the new dkc is bad because they removed the kremlings even though theyre funcitonally good games"
<SMB>
<Toadbert> diddy kong racing ds almost looked worse than the original
<SMB>
<Toadbert> and in some cases probably did
<SMB>
Very true.
<turb>
yeah
<Glitchy>
ok i voted
<Toadbert>
like mario 64 ds at least had a bit more polish to it
<Freakworld>
i never played either so i cant tell
<Toadbert>
also there was no conker or BAYANJOE
<Anton{Politoed}>
gr8 I'm gonna lock the poll
<Nabber>
voted just in time
<Nabber>
nice
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok we neeeeeeeed the top
<Nabber>
honestly im not sure we should include remakes in most disappointing game
<Anton{Politoed}>
10-13
<Freakworld>
anyways, smas wii was disappointing, because for whats its owrth it wasnt even the +smw version
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's been a week to discuss this
<Nabber>
there was a +smw version?
<Anton{Politoed}>
voting is closed
<Anton{Politoed}>
whatever the results are are what we have
<turb>
i dont find it disappointing because they never advertised it as anything but vanilla smas on a wii disc
<_2257>
1. Yoshi's Island DS
<_2257>
13 (9.5%)
<_2257>
2. Super Paper Mario
<_2257>
12 (8.8%)
<_2257>
2. Mario Party 9
<_2257>
12 (8.8%)
<_2257>
2. Diddy Kong Racing DS
<_2257>
12 (8.8%)
<_2257>
5. Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash
<Toadbert>
trifecta
<_2257>
10 (7.3%)
<_2257>
5. Super Mario All-Stars - 25th Anniversary Edition
<_2257>
10 (7.3%)
<_2257>
5. Super Mario 64 DS
<_2257>
10 (7.3%)
<_2257>
8. Super Mario 3D Land
<_2257>
9 (6.6%)
<_2257>
8. Mario Party: Island Tour
<_2257>
9 (6.6%)
<_2257>
10. Super Mario Galaxy 2
<_2257>
7 (5.1%)
<_2257>
11. Mario Party 8
<_2257>
6 (4.4%)
<_2257>
11. Super Mario Sunshine
<_2257>
6 (4.4%)
<Chiaki_Nanami>
we did it
<_2257>
13. NSMBU/NSLU
<_2257>
5 (3.6%)
<_2257>
13. Donkey Kong Country 3
<_2257>
5 (3.6%)
<_2257>
im glad smg2 got in
<Toadbert>
im agreeing with turb on smas remake though
<_2257>
what an awful game
<_2257>
i was afraid it wouldnt make it
<Toadbert>
what more did people expect
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I'm glad Sunshine got in
<Freakworld>
anyway spm was in no way underwhleming to me so i couldnt
<Gamefreak75>
its ok fw i didnt vote spm either
<Uniju>
w
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok give me a moment to copy these down
<Gamefreak75>
its a shame to see awful taste
<Uniju>
can we relaly put sunshine on a disappointing game award
<Toadbert>
also dkc3 made it up there fuck that
<Chiaki_Nanami>
yes
<Toadbert>
and mario sunshine
<Freakworld>
[02:06] Freakworld anyways, smas wii was disappointing, because for whats its owrth it wasnt even the +smw version
<Chiaki_Nanami>
because it was disappointing to Super Mario 64 fans
<_2257>
well keep in mind
<Chiaki_Nanami>
such as me
<Toadbert>
theres annoying things to sms but can you really call it disappointing
<_2257>
with the number of nominees
<Freakworld>
tbh i didnt pay attention to advertising
<_2257>
only 3 things DIDNT get in
<_2257>
also there's a tie for 14th
<Chiaki_Nanami>
how
<Anton{Politoed}>
20:07 _2257 13. NSMBU/NSLU 20:07 _2257 5 (3.6%) 20:07 _2257 13. Donkey Kong Country 3 20:07 _2257 5 (3.6%)
<_2257>
i'm not sure what "how" is meant to mean in this context
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's 1 too many
<Anton{Politoed}>
we need to decide
<Nabber>
i vote for nsmbu
<turb>
ill wait until we have an official vote
<Gamefreak75>
cant nsmbu/nslu be condensed into 1?
<turb>
it is gamefreak
<Gamefreak75>
o
<Toadbert>
lol
<Freakworld>
tbh nsmbu wasnt even disappointing because i dont think anyone expected anything out of it so
<Freakworld>
dkc3
<turb>
fuck you freakworld
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok but let me make it official
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Include which game into F15? (NSMBU / DKC3 / a)
<Gamefreak75>
a
<turb>
NSMBU
<Glitchy>
i vote nsmbu
<_2257>
n
<Toadbert>
nsmbu
<Freakworld>
dkc3
<SonicMario>
DKC3
<mcd>
N (smbu)
<Chiaki_Nanami>
a
<Lakituthequick>
a
<_2257>
i guess
<CountBonsula>
a
<Glitchy>
nsmbu is meh
<Glitchy>
dkc3 is good
<Uniju>
nsmbu
<Lakituthequick>
found nsmbu to be decent and haven't played dkc3 so
<_2257>
tbh i havent played nsmbu but i feel like abstaining at this point is fairly unhelpful
<Chiaki_Nanami>
i like both games
<turb>
i don't know where this thought that dkc3 is a bad game arose
<turb>
it's better than 1 to be honest
<Toadbert>
people just butt angrey david wise didnt compose it
<Uniju>
probably the same place the idea that sms is a bad game arose
<turb>
but i guess i shouldnt clog the meeting with a dkc fanboy cage match
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<CountBonsula>
im ok with dkc3, never played nsmbu
<Gamefreak75>
the same reason people hate spm
<Anton{Politoed}>
7-2-4 ??
<Gamefreak75>
its not like the original
<SonicMario>
It's not bad game. It's disappointing. DKC3 can be considered a dissapointment to some who really liked DKC2 and such.
<Freakworld>
ive never played dkc3 but i only know that i didnt feel like nsmbu got a lot of hate
<Gamefreak75>
or first two games
<Toadbert>
how different is it though
<Toadbert>
i really dont get that argument
<SMB>
NSMBU
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<CountBonsula>
yeah im changing to nsmbu
<Toadbert>
only really big change is kiddy/diddy
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<turb>
they played basically the same
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok we have a clear enough winner so
<Toadbert>
and to be honest i think kiddy controls better than diddy
<turb>
dixie still has her mechanics in
<Anton{Politoed}>
NSMBU/NSLU will be added
<turb>
good
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<Freakworld>
actually change to a for the re-
<Toadbert>
greet
<Freakworld>
okay
<Glitchy>
yes
<Chiaki_Nanami>
nsmbu is the best nsmb game play it at least once ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
full award is:
<Glitchy>
nsmbds is better tbh
<Freakworld>
the bigger disappointent was nsmbw for me anyways
<Anton{Politoed}>
F15 Most Disappointing Game (New Super Mario Bros. 2, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Yoshi’s New Island, Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games, Mario Party 10, Yoshi’s Island DS, Super Paper Mario, Mario Party 9, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Super Mario All-Stars - 25th Anniversary Edition, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario 3D Land
<Anton{Politoed}>
Mario Party: Island Tour, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Party 8, Super Mario Sunshine, NSMBU/NSLU)
<Chiaki_Nanami>
yay
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I'm glad Sunshine got in
<Nabber>
what do you have against sunshine :(
<Freakworld>
>mario galaxy 2 >mario party 8
<Freakworld>
bh
<mcd>
yeah sunshine's great
<Freakworld>
*bah
<Uniju>
"i am a certified reformed troll" - pi
<Freakworld>
i voted for sunshine because i know that created an uproar
*Gutting of Mario Vs donkey kong series *Paper Mario's modern direction *Amiibo-centric/focused games *Mario Party's modern direction *Mario Tennis *New Super Mario Bros. series *Mario 3D games
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<Anton{Politoed}>
is the only list I have for it at the moment
<Anton{Politoed}>
it could use some refining
<Chiaki_Nanami>
this is a minor thing but amiibo is never capitalised
Mode #mwikiawards +o Nyrie by ChanServ
<Nabber_>
technically, amiibo-centric games doesn't count for a single series, but im still fine with it
<Chiaki_Nanami>
this is a thing that should be considered for the final poll only
<turb>
i think its fitting enough
<Freakworld>
how about we just go with the series name
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's the only list I have at the moment, formatting isn't a concern right now
<turb>
theres no other award it could really go on
<Chiaki_Nanami>
which I perfectly stated anyway s
<Chiaki_Nanami>
o
<Chiaki_Nanami>
in either case
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I'm fine with the list
<turb>
i would say add warioware on there
<turb>
but that's just me
<Chiaki_Nanami>
toss it on
<Chiaki_Nanami>
where's the harm
<Freakworld>
[02:31] Freakworld how about we just go with the series name
<Glitchy>
is game and wario warioware
<Anton{Politoed}>
how will each of these nominees be worded
<Freakworld>
yes
<Gamefreak75>
i like the warioware series, but yeah toss it in
<Anton{Politoed}>
there's no consistency at the moment
<Gamefreak75>
glitchy: yes
<Packy>
would the direction of the Yoshi's Island series fit?
<Glitchy>
ok
<Freakworld>
i guess packy
<turb>
i was considering that packy
<turb>
but yww came otu
<turb>
i guess it could work though
<Glitchy>
i would add warioware then
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<Freakworld>
even though yww is like
<Meta_Knight>
maybe the amiibo one could be like "amiibo-locked content"
<Packy>
ヽ( ◕ヮ◕)ノ
<Freakworld>
idk most people agree that thats good i guess but
<Freakworld>
yni certainly wasnt so
<Freakworld>
it probably qualifies
<turb>
i don't think it was supposed to be amiibo locked content in particular
<Packy>
yeah that's why I was thought the Island series rather than Yoshi in general
<Anton{Politoed}>
woolly world was fantastic and I'd consider that a good break in the shit cycle
<turb>
just the fact that they permeate every aspect of the game
<Freakworld>
oh
<Packy>
since Woolly World wasn't necessarily an Island game
<turb>
but idk
<turb>
it's semantics for the most part
<Packy>
unless they're the same series for the most part
<Freakworld>
i also thought yoshis story but okay
<turb>
also i understand that pacy
<turb>
we should vote on that and warioware
<Freakworld>
id do both tbh just because theres no real reason not to include warioware imo
<Anton{Politoed}>
no one seemed to oppose warioware so I think it's a safe inclusion
<Tailmon>
i'm fine with both warioware and yoshi's island
<Tailmon>
woolly world was great, but yids and ew island exists
<Tailmon>
i meant new but ew island may actually be a good name for it lol
<Tailmon>
i haven't actually played it though
<Anton{Politoed}>
but we can decide on yoshi's island
<Anton{Politoed}>
http://www.mariowiki.com/Yoshi_%28series%29
<Anton{Politoed}>
the series is simply referred to as Yoshi, including all of the game
<Anton{Politoed}>
s
<Gamefreak75>
maybe Yoshi (series)
<Nyrie>
never played any warioware games so i can't really have an opinion
<Gamefreak75>
then
<Freakworld>
per gf i dont think it matters much
<Freakworld>
people will understand
<Anton{Politoed}>
it will have to be Yoshi (series)
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's how the wiki views it
<Glitchy>
yoshi (series) is probably fine
<CountBonsula>
warioware games are great the end
<Anton{Politoed}>
we can't break it up
<Packy>
that's fine with me
<Freakworld>
per CountBonsula
<_2257>
i really dont' think there's anything official about the way the wiki views it
<Meta_Knight>
if people think they're great they'll get less votes
<Freakworld>
yeah but arent we affliated with the wiki
<_2257>
i dont really care though
<Freakworld>
i dunno
<Anton{Politoed}>
either way the gameplay is nearly identical
<Anton{Politoed}>
so, let's decide on adding Yoshi
<_2257>
yoshi's island is obviously going to be a tiny player compared to things like papaer mario
<Tailmon>
even if it's not official, it's the best way to cover everything
<Tailmon>
so just "yoshi" would be the best way to add it
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Yoshi (series)" into the nominee listing for Worst Direction of Series? (y/n/a)
<Chiaki_Nanami>
y
<turb>
y
<Glitchy>
y
<Uniju>
y
<Nabber_>
a
<Lakituthequick>
a
<Tailmon>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
n
<Tailmon>
5-1-2
<CountBonsula>
a
<Freakworld>
y
<SonicMario>
y
<Tailmon>
6-1-3
<_2257>
y
<Tailmon>
8-1-3
<Packy>
y
<Freakworld>
anton why are you against it? just curious
<Tailmon>
8.5-1-3
<SMB>
Yes
<Anton{Politoed}>
because woolly world is included and it was good
<Tailmon>
9.5-1-3
<Meta_Knight>
y
<Anton{Politoed}>
just because DS and New Island were bad in the middle, does that make the entire series direction bad
<mcd>
a
<turb>
not necessarily
<SMB>
Oh wait, is Wolly World in the mix?
<turb>
i jsut want to add it to test the waters
<SMB>
*Woolly
<Freakworld>
no but thats what people will think
<Meta_Knight>
yeah
<Packy>
idk i'm kind of on the fence with it
<turb>
if it gets like 2 votes, we nuke it off of the award next year
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm including it because the wiki includes it
<SMB>
Change to abstain
<Anton{Politoed}>
if someone else decides it's not, I guess that's on them
<Packy>
i don't think the direction as Yoshi (series) makes the direction bad as much as it would be if it were Yoshi's Island (series)
<SMB>
If Woolly World is the new direction of the series, I think it's good.
<Packy>
so change me to A
<Uniju>
yeah i dunno yww is good but just because the direction changed to be good recently doesnt really undo the direction having been really bad for a long time i dont think
<turb>
per uniju
<Freakworld>
per uniju
<Tailmon>
8.5-1-5
<Tailmon>
per uniju
<SMB>
If it turns out to the exception, and they continue to shove out more Island games...
<Freakworld>
or yoshis story 2
<_2257>
i'm just voting yes because of what turb said
<Freakworld>
minus the good music
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm going to keep my N but either way it looks like it's added and if the voters decide yww is included then it will be reflected in results
<Freakworld>
and poochy
<_2257>
the worst thing that'll happen is itll get 2 votes
<Anton{Politoed}>
yeah
<Nabber_>
personally i feel that
<Nabber_>
there's nothing particularly bad about the series that they've been doing
<Freakworld>
the worst thing thatll happen is mario kart becomes a write in and gets more votes
<Nabber_>
they just made bad games
<Freakworld>
if that happens ill quit
<Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other series to add
<turb>
nabber thats like part of the award though
<turb>
not off the top of my head
<Nabber_>
i feel like the other series have been getting worse because of bad decision making
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Gutting of Mario Vs donkey kong series *Paper Mario's modern direction *Amiibo-centric/focused games *Mario Party's modern direction *Mario Tennis *New Super Mario Bros. series *Mario 3D games *Warioware *Yoshi (series)
<turb>
dkc is good and i feel like we've covered every applicable mario sports game
<_2257>
...isnt making bad games a bad direction for the series?
<Anton{Politoed}>
this isn't final wording
<Nabber_>
whereas with the yoshi series it's that the games themselves have fluctuated in quality
<Chiaki_Nanami>
actually
<Chiaki_Nanami>
add dkc
<Uniju>
i do see where nabber's coming from although i disagree
<Gamefreak75>
why dkc?
<Chiaki_Nanami>
there are people that hate the absence of Kremlings
<Freakworld>
mario kart is one of the few examples inside mario where the series keeps improving with every new installment imo
<Gamefreak75>
those people are trolls
<Uniju>
like, there's a difference between a game that's poorly put together and a game that's fundamentally bad
<turb>
yes, and i made a point earlier that that was a god-awful argument
<Freakworld>
except mario kart wii that had some weird decisions
<turb>
the games themselves are solid
<Glitchy>
dkc is perfectly fine
<Nyrie>
tropical freeze and dkcr are amazing games
<Nabber_>
yeah uniju you worded it better
<Freakworld>
dkcr and dkcr2 are not a bad direction people who say so have no taste
<Glitchy>
the series direction is great recently
<mcd>
if people feel that strongly about it they can write them in anyway
<Nyrie>
we shouldn't add them just because people are salty that kremlings aren't in it
<Tailmon>
i'm against dkc
<_2257>
you know *i* hate the absence of kremlings but i dont think it actually makes the games bad
<Tailmon>
dkcr and tf are really pretty well liked
<Anton{Politoed}>
any other suggestions
<Freakworld>
because it doesnt
<Freakworld>
retro did a really good job
<Tailmon>
i thought both were great even though i miss the kremlings
<Nyrie>
i can't think of anything else
<Chiaki_Nanami>
there are hardcore DKC players who won't touch them because Kremlings aren't present
<Nabber_>
well, to be fair, it's worst *direction* of the series
<Gamefreak75>
those people live sad existences
<Glitchy>
that's too bad for them then
<Nyrie>
[08:44:26] mcd if people feel that strongly about it they can write them in anyway
<Nabber_>
not *worst modern games* of the series
<mcd>
but that doesn't affect the quality of the games
<Freakworld>
well those people can enjoy glitches 64
<Glitchy>
they're missing out on good games
<mcd>
which people who don't cut themselves out agree is fantastic
<Nyrie>
[08:45:13] Chiaki_Nanami there are hardcore DKC players who won't touch them because Kremlings aren't present
<turb>
i don't have any other sugegstions
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok so let's focus on the nominees we have now and figure out a proper wording
<turb>
i feel like if the only thing thats left to discuss is this dkc thing we can probably move on
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Gutting of Mario Vs donkey kong series *Paper Mario's modern direction *Amiibo-centric/focused games *Mario Party's modern direction *Mario Tennis *New Super Mario Bros. series *Mario 3D games *Warioware *Yoshi (series)
<turb>
yeah
<Meta_Knight>
i dont either
<Nyrie>
this is like the people who hate the new m&l games because fawful isn't in it
<Freakworld>
tbh the direction donkey kong went into after rare was bad imo
<Anton{Politoed}>
do we need to include "modern direction"
<Anton{Politoed}>
or is that already implied
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<turb>
use series names for everything except mario 3D games and Amiibo games imo
<mcd>
i feel some might need further explanation
<Tailmon>
would it be ok if we just cut of the "gutting of"/"modern direction"
<mcd>
i.e. warioware
<turb>
and no it's implied i think
<Freakworld>
but idk it probably doesnt qualify
<Gamefreak75>
is it?
<Chiaki_Nanami>
gutting
<turb>
does warioware actually need more explanation
<Meta_Knight>
maybe just say "Paper Mario losing classic RPG style gameplay"
<Chiaki_Nanami>
hang on, looking up what gutting means
<NSY>
hey
<Lakituthequick>
what even is 'gutting'
<Gamefreak75>
Just having "Paper Mario" on there seems weird
<mcd>
i wouldn't have known it was talking about game and wario unless i was at the meeting
<Freakworld>
per turb on naming
<turb>
well the title is "worst direction of series"
<Gamefreak75>
gutting is a great term
<SMB>
"Paper Mario treating gamers like idiots"
<turb>
i feel like people should be able to connect the dots there
<Uniju>
taking all the innards out
<CountBonsula>
"Paper Mario's Plot"
<Freakworld>
"paper mario trolling its fans"
<Tailmon>
i think it's fine if we just list the series name other than in the amiibo one, myself
<turb>
if they cant look at the award title and make logical conclusions then idk
<Lakituthequick>
also the word "series" is within parantheses on Yoshi but not the others
<turb>
ltq it'll get changed later
<Anton{Politoed}>
that's what we're figuring out now
<Anton{Politoed}>
and I agree with turb
<Gamefreak75>
how about Current Paper Mario?
<Chiaki_Nanami>
hang on I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck 'gutting' means
<mcd>
removing the innards
<Chiaki_Nanami>
innards
<_2257>
guts
<_2257>
organs
<Chiaki_Nanami>
okay
<_2257>
its a metaphor
<Chiaki_Nanami>
thanks
<Gamefreak75>
it basically means removing the stuff that made the series good
<Gamefreak75>
and leaving a corpse
<Chiaki_Nanami>
remove it
<Gamefreak75>
yeah i didnt have any better way to word it at the time
<Chiaki_Nanami>
If people like /me/ can't understand it, remove it
<Uniju>
now that i think about it that's not a great metaphor since when you gut an animal youre taking out the less desirable parts
<Gamefreak75>
gutting was the first thing that came to mind
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I'm essentially fluent in the language but I didn't know that
<Anton{Politoed}>
pidgey I think it's more of a language barrier
<SonicMario>
What if we did series name followed by a parentheses of the particular game considered to be the start or most infamous part of of the direction AKA Paper Mario (Sticker Star)
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's a very common phrase in english
<NSY>
anton
<NSY>
current topic?
<Anton{Politoed}>
either way I want it removed too so lol
<Gamefreak75>
gutting is a common term here, yes
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I've never heard it ever lol
<SonicMario>
Ex: *Paper Mario series (Sticker Star)
<turb>
i mean "worst direction of series" implies that they did something to fuck up the direction
<Meta_Knight>
Maybe "Extreme Loss of quality in Mario vs. Donkey Kong games"
<Anton{Politoed}>
NSY: we're working on refining the nominees for Worst Direction of Series
<Gamefreak75>
and yeah thats why i said in my post when i made it that itll need to be changed
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm about to post a list again
<Chiaki_Nanami>
why not just
<NSY>
okay
<Uniju>
it really is a common phrase
<turb>
most people can figure out that pm/ttyd are not what's being referenced there
<Chiaki_Nanami>
cut everything extraneous
<turb>
it's sticker star and color splash
<Chiaki_Nanami>
and just say 'paper mario'
<Uniju>
the wording isn't great but "a swedish person doesnt understand this english phrase" isn't the reason
<Gamefreak75>
bastardization of the mvdk series
<Chiaki_Nanami>
no, just say the series name
<Chiaki_Nanami>
nothing else
<mcd>
that wouldn't work for amiibo games, mario 3d games, but if leaving them as they are then per pi
<turb>
i think the parentheses name is like the only compromise i would be willing to come to but i honestly dont think we need it
<Freakworld>
is hotel mario a bad directi- *shot*
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Mario vs Donkey Kong (series) *Paper Mario *amiibo-centric/focused games *Mario Party *Mario Tennis *New Super Mario Bros. (series) *Mario 3D games *Warioware *Yoshi (series)
<Tailmon>
yes that
<turb>
go with that
<Freakworld>
y
Mode #mwikiawards +o NSY by ChanServ
<Anton{Politoed}>
series in () is to indicate that it's the series and not the individual game by the same name
<Anton{Politoed}>
does warioware need that too, idk
<Glitchy>
y
<mcd>
wouldn't paper mario need it too, then
<turb>
you could put that on mario party, mario tennis and paper mario
<CountBonsula>
yes
<Tailmon>
wouldn't ALL of those need it
<Chiaki_Nanami>
and mario party
<Tailmon>
except 3d and amiibo
<turb>
warioware has no game by the title of just "warioware"
<mcd>
we could just remove it tbj
<turb>
but you can add it if you want
<_2257>
wario ware never had agame just called wario ware iirc
<Chiaki_Nanami>
it's a series we are talking about
<mcd>
*tbh
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok
<Chiaki_Nanami>
remove (series)
<Tailmon>
either just add series to all or none
<CountBonsula>
the first one is called WarioWare Inc. i guess
<Tailmon>
i think i prefer none
<NSY>
per turb
<mcd>
"worst direction of series" already dentoes we're talking about the series itself
<_2257>
doesnt the award name make it obvious theyre series....es though
<Tailmon>
series is literally in the award title
<Glitchy>
the first one is warioware mega microgames
<turb>
yeah what 22 said
<Anton{Politoed}>
*Mario vs Donkey Kong *Paper Mario *amiibo-centric/focused games *Mario Party *Mario Tennis *New Super Mario Bros. *Mario 3D games *Warioware *Yoshi
<turb>
go with that
<Tailmon>
yes
<mcd>
that's good
<_2257>
good
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
aaaaaa sorry sorry
<CountBonsula>
sure
<Uniju>
is good
<Freakworld>
y
<Glitchy>
that's fine
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
dinner occupied my time
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
hi
<Packy>
that's good with m
<Packy>
me*
<turb>
the thing is we had a discussion like this for that trans issues nominee on whatever award number it is
<turb>
and we concluded we need the voters to make decisions on their own
<turb>
by looking at the title and context clues
<turb>
i believe in them
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
anyhw, that looks good to me
<Freakworld>
were rewording that though at least arent we
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
but turb ralph told us they have the attention spans of squirrels
<turb>
rewording what
<Freakworld>
because it currently sounds like were advocating transphobia
<turb>
if you mean the trans issues thing it was already reworded
<Freakworld>
ok
<NSY>
i agree with the list
<Freakworld>
i remembered we talked about it
<_2257>
tbh i'm sure some of the voters will fuck up no matter what we say
<turb>
yeah that
<Gamefreak75>
tbh id be surprised if the voters couldnt be arsed to figure shit out
<turb>
but who cares about them honestly
<Gamefreak75>
i wouldnt be surprised
<Gamefreak75>
i mean
<_2257>
theres like hundreds of them each time
<turb>
these are the same peopel who don't read the dossier and just click buttons
i assumed what turb did too but the fact that you only get 1 vote clarifies thinggs
<NSY>
done
<turb>
voted
<Meta_Knight>
voeted
<Chiaki_Nanami>
#ivoted
<Anton{Politoed}>
with the amount of voters we have available here, 4-4 is at a strong enough lead to be dropped from the nominee list
<Chiaki_Nanami>
yay
<Chiaki_Nanami>
it's one of my favourite smb1 levels
<Anton{Politoed}>
voting is locked
<Chiaki_Nanami>
has always been one
<Chiaki_Nanami>
since i was like
<Chiaki_Nanami>
5
<_2257>
was 3-5 really that bad
<Lakituthequick>
The Very Long Cave (YI), Tubular (SMW), World 8-3 (SMB), 6-Secret (YI), World 9-7 (NSMBW), Lakitu's Wall (YI), Minecart Madness (DKC), World 8-Castle (SMB3), Stampede Sprint (DKC3), World 8-1 (SMB), World 4-2 (SMB2), World 7-8 (SMB3), The Big Board (WL4), World 9-8 (NSMBU), Doodle Woods (WL4), World 7-4 (SMB), World 3-5 (SMB3), World 6-4 (SMB3)
<Toadbert>
i dnot think so
<turb>
to be fair i voted for 3-5's removal after looking at the level again
<turb>
also im gonna go get a drink
<Anton{Politoed}>
so we still need to discuss the 5th new award idea
I want to start User awards tonight in some fashion so we will stop discussing Fail in like 10 minutes
<Freakworld>
i have no idea which one to take tbh
<Freakworld>
a
<Nyrie>
worst roster is the best one honestly
<Freakworld>
(ive read through that earlier today)
<turb>
im alive
<Glitchy>
I would go with worst roster
<Freakworld>
wb
<turb>
also yeah im good with worst roster tbh
<Anton{Politoed}>
this ties in to http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=36644.0
<turb>
im still iffy on the idea but i think its the strongest one we have
<Gamefreak75>
is it worst roster in general?
<Gamefreak75>
or worst addition?
<Anton{Politoed}>
Edo had a suggestion to take all of the RPG levels that are getting shot out of awards we're restructuring and removing
<turb>
if it's in general it's good
<Anton{Politoed}>
and creating a Worst RPG Level award
<Anton{Politoed}>
to finish the level triad
<Gamefreak75>
id prefer that
<Gamefreak75>
worst rpg level
<Meta_Knight>
what would be defined as rpg level
<Freakworld>
that sounds like a good idea
<turb>
i'd be fine with it
<Meta_Knight>
would it be like worst chapter?
<Tailmon>
i think i like worst rpg level more too
<NSY>
worst rpg area might be a better wording
<turb>
it looks like he wanted to do that next year though
<Gamefreak75>
anything in smrpg, paper mario, or mario and luigi games
<turb>
but
<Anton{Politoed}>
it could be I guess
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
worst RPG area
<Nyrie>
worst chapter, and also stuff from m&l games
<turb>
if we can do it this year i think that's ok
<Nyrie>
like shroob castle or whatever
<Gamefreak75>
its pretty self explanatory
<Tailmon>
worst roster was the best suggestion in the thread i think but i was still kind of ehh on it
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
that's my suggestion
<Nyrie>
i still like worst roster though
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
since we want to start user
<Nyrie>
also per blocky
<Glitchy>
worst rpg level sounds better actually
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
maybe make this a forum vote/dicussion?
<Glitchy>
but worst roster is ok
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
"do we do worst roster addition or rpg level"
<Anton{Politoed}>
we should decide the direction we're gonna take now
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
so we have time to figure out nominees for whichever one we go with
<Meta_Knight>
yeah but that sounds too similar to worst location, and all of the "levels" in m&l are more areas
<NSY>
i like both ideas
<Anton{Politoed}>
if we gotta tweak the name of either one afterwards that's fine
<Anton{Politoed}>
so long as we have the general idea
<NSY>
but slightly prefer the rpg one
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i'm ambivalent entirey
<Freakworld>
idc much but rpg level sounds like a good idea
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok so let's have a vote
<Chiaki_Nanami>
what is an 'rpg level'
<Freakworld>
roster does too but idk if it wouldnt just come down to
<Freakworld>
which game is worse
<Chiaki_Nanami>
no
<turb>
rpg area
<Anton{Politoed}>
we'll figure out a precise name later so long as we have a general idea
<Anton{Politoed}>
level, area, etc.
<turb>
things like thwomp volcano and flopside and the like
<turb>
i assume
<Gamefreak75>
yes
<Anton{Politoed}>
as with roster addition, which had disagreement on its meaning
<Gamefreak75>
thats what im assuming
<Meta_Knight>
but you're in those areas multiple time
<Anton{Politoed}>
we're just voting for which direction to take
<Anton{Politoed}>
so, with that:
<turb>
mk the thing about worst location is
<turb>
it's getting revamped into worst setting
<turb>
and including stuff like the entire main area of the game
<turb>
like subcon, northern kremisphere, etc
<Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Which new award concept should we work on? (Roster / RPG / a)
<turb>
so any similarities it has with the current award arent really a concern
<turb>
rpg
<Freakworld>
rpg
<_2257>
rpg
<Meta_Knight>
Roster
<Toadbert>
rpg
<SonicMario>
Roster
<Nyrie>
rpg
<NSY>
rpg
<Lakituthequick>
roster
<Glitchy>
r;pg
<Uniju>
rpg
<Tailmon>
a
<SMB>
A
<Glitchy>
*rpg
<Tailmon>
after further thought i do not have a strong preference
<Packy>
a
<Gamefreak75>
rpg
<Tailmon>
3-9-2.5
<Anton{Politoed}>
rpg
<Tailmon>
3-10-2.5
<mcd>
rpg
<Tailmon>
3-11-2.5
<Tailmon>
i guess we have a winner
<Chiaki_Nanami>
rip
<Anton{Politoed}>
unless there is any more discussion on this, we will go with the rpg concept
<Anton{Politoed}>
I will create a thread to work it out after the meeting
<Nyrie>
yay i can actually contribute to nominees on this award
<Anton{Politoed}>
so as of this moment Fail Awards still need to complete the new F4 (the rpg concept) and edo's idea for F14
<Anton{Politoed}>
both things that can be fully discussed and worked out on the forum to be accepted in whole at the start of next meeting
<Freakworld>
cool
<NSY>
that sounds good
<Anton{Politoed}>
with that we will begin User Awards
<Glitchy>
ok
<Lakituthequick>
:calp:
<Lakituthequick>
*clap
<Anton{Politoed}>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sfP1dSVCv-70pmkc8Vp8Oe0XM7D-rMk4HdmRnOHX-W0/edit -- detailed results from last year
<Toadbert>
grea8
<Freakworld>
do we have a worst user award
<Freakworld>
plzplzplzplz
<Tailmon>
i nominate freakworld
<Anton{Politoed}>
we had a sub-committee work out some of the ideas already and I'll get to those in a moment
<Freakworld>
tbh id nominate myself
<Freakworld>
anyways
<Freakworld>
so
<Anton{Politoed}>
tonight I just intend on introducing the big picture as well as large ideas
<Anton{Politoed}>
just one moment
<Freakworld>
*drumroll*
<Toadbert>
are we still using the quick topic after this
<Toadbert>
or is this what its been building to
<Anton{Politoed}>
we can, idk lol
<Anton{Politoed}>
probably move most of it public
<Freakworld>
"idk lol" -anton, 2016
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok so there were 2 big ideas that we had discussed
<Toadbert>
but what about all the shittalking we did about everyone'
<Anton{Politoed}>
one being U1, the other being the removal of U9 Favorite Community Game to replace it with a wiki contributor based award
<Anton{Politoed}>
Favorite Community Game has been a very weak and ill-defined award
<Anton{Politoed}>
and tbh was kinda just filler
<Glitchy>
wasn't it like a 4 way tie lol
<Freakworld>
tbh thats kind of right
<NSY>
4 things got 12 votes
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
yeah it's never held up as well
<Freakworld>
the definition was pretty vague as well
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
because mafia is the true winner
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
all years every years
<Anton{Politoed}>
this wiki contributor award will be outsourced to the wiki administrators to define and create nominees for
<Anton{Politoed}>
I've already discussed this with turb
<turb>
yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
this was initially walkazo's idea, and unfortunately she will be unable to see it through to its end
<Anton{Politoed}>
but I believe there was enough discussion generated about it privately to lead to a clear definition
<Freakworld>
:(
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
:(
<Chiaki_Nanami>
:(
<mcd>
quick question
<Anton{Politoed}>
one goal we had was to keep it contemporary, and as a way to honor prolific wiki editors
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok
<Tailmon>
:(
<mcd>
unless you want to save them until the end or something
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I still haven't processed Walkazo's death
<Anton{Politoed}>
you can say it
<mcd>
will the contributor award be, like, open to anyone or specifically to non-admins
<Anton{Politoed}>
anyone
<mcd>
ah ok
<Freakworld>
porple for best contributor
<Anton{Politoed}>
I greatly prefer that it is open to everyone
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's not set in stone but that's what my strong urging is towards the wiki admins when they discuss it
<turb>
i dont see any reason why it shouldnt be open to everyone yeah
<turb>
theres wiki editors that arent admins and have still contributed a lot
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i support open to everyone
<mcd>
who could that be *shifty*
<Freakworld>
per everyone
<turb>
mcd you're a patroller
<turb>
go
<mcd>
the idea of admins nominating other admins seems a bit weird to me but eh
<Anton{Politoed}>
the reason it's being outsourced to the wiki admins is because they're the group of people who will be able to make the best nominations with ample reasoning
<Anton{Politoed}>
do you guys feel a week will be enough time
<Chiaki_Nanami>
2 weeks
<turb>
2 weeks would be the most
<Tailmon>
open to everyone
<Anton{Politoed}>
2 weeks sounds, fine
<Chiaki_Nanami>
the wiki board can be really dead
<mcd>
for the record i think open to everyone is better but i was just wondering
<Anton{Politoed}>
we can have a progress report by the next meeting
<Anton{Politoed}>
if there's any questions or concerns that need to be made and worked out
<Anton{Politoed}>
that sounds gr8
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'll schedule it that way
<Chiaki_Nanami>
also i support open to everybody
<Anton{Politoed}>
I think edo was going to post the proposal in the wiki admin board himself once it got time
<Glitchy>
i would want it to be open to anyone
<Anton{Politoed}>
so if you guys just want to wait until that happens that'll be gr8
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm not expecting it'll be too long
<Anton{Politoed}>
it'll just be the ~official~ proposal
<mcd>
[02:51] turb mcd you're a patroller
<mcd>
oh wait i thought you said "are admins"
<Anton{Politoed}>
the next big idea
<mcd>
welp
<turb>
o
<turb>
it's ok
<Freakworld>
*drumrollintensifies*
<Anton{Politoed}>
is regarding U1
<Anton{Politoed}>
this will be a more somber topic, so
<Anton{Politoed}>
with Walkazo's passing we were unsure exactly how to handle it
<Anton{Politoed}>
I felt that listing her as "Retired" is just not wording that I
<Anton{Politoed}>
really like
<Anton{Politoed}>
but failing to include her at all would be wrong
<Anton{Politoed}>
what we opted to do was to just avoid the problem entirely to create something better
<Anton{Politoed}>
we will be dropping U1 Favorite Retired User for this year
<Freakworld>
okay
<turb>
ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
to create a space for a dedication to Walkazo
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
OK
<Lakituthequick>
good
<Anton{Politoed}>
dippy has already approached us to write something for it
<Glitchy>
that sounds like a good idea
<NSY>
im happy with that
<Anton{Politoed}>
I will not be holding it down to the usual 5-minute presentation slot
<Freakworld>
thats absolutely fine
<Anton{Politoed}>
dippy will have as much time as she needs and the ceremony schedule will adapt around it
<turb>
im fine with that
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
works for me
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I'm fine with that, too
<Anton{Politoed}>
other people are welcome to do whatever they feel that they would like to do
<Glitchy>
that's perfectly fine
<Toadbert>
that sounds like that could take a while
<Anton{Politoed}>
bonesy had an idea to create a separate thread to post everyone's dedications throughout the ceremony, with dippy's being the one posted in the official thread to open the ceremony
<Toadbert>
well
<Toadbert>
i guess a half hour or something isnt a huge deal
<Anton{Politoed}>
as of this moment, I don't really know what it will be
<Anton{Politoed}>
I'm guessing 30 minutes yeah
<Anton{Politoed}>
but it's not like we had ample time to prepare for this
<Meta_Knight>
i feel that this is a good idea
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i like bonesy's idea
<Freakworld>
per
<SMB>
I agree with the whole idea
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
it makes it feel less lumped together
<NSY>
per all
<Glitchy>
per bonsey's idea
<Anton{Politoed}>
gr8
<Anton{Politoed}>
he'll be so happy
<turb>
bonesy's idea is good
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I
<Tailmon>
i agree with bonesy's idea
<Chiaki_Nanami>
there are a number of issues with this
<Anton{Politoed}>
I do know that the shroom had /something/
<Freakworld>
oh boy
<Chiaki_Nanami>
can we make sure the mods are on the topic like a hawk
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
well, duh
<turb>
they already are during the ceremony
<Gamefreak75>
ill contact them
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
of course we'll be doing our jobs
<turb>
there's no reason why this would be any different
<Chiaki_Nanami>
thank
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
in fact i'm a little insulted
<Gamefreak75>
perch u suck
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
no u
<Freakworld>
ayy lmao
<Gamefreak75>
>:#
<Anton{Politoed}>
pidgey will this plan for U1 interfere with anything that the Shroom has planned
<Anton{Politoed}>
because
<Chiaki_Nanami>
no
<_2257>
pdigey just wants you to be liek a hawk because he's a bird supreamacist
<Chiaki_Nanami>
we scrapped it entirely
<Chiaki_Nanami>
because
<Anton{Politoed}>
lumped into this would be a swapping of positions for the User and Shroom ceremonies
<Anton{Politoed}>
traditionally Shroom goes first, followed by UP
<Chiaki_Nanami>
we felt it was better to have one big thing as opposed to two smaller things
<Anton{Politoed}>
in order to allow the U1 to be the opener, User Awards would be going first
<Anton{Politoed}>
I don't see this being an issue at all but
<Freakworld>
that sounds fair as well
<Chiaki_Nanami>
it's not
<Anton{Politoed}>
I feel like it should still be stated before I just go and do it lol
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
i have 0 problems
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
anyhow, pi
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
besides moderation
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
what else is up
<Chiaki_Nanami>
that's the only real issue I had, really
<Anton{Politoed}>
since it's 10pm I'll close this up with another general thing
<Raiko_Chaorikawa>
oh ok
<Chiaki_Nanami>
about the topic things
<Chiaki_Nanami>
anyway
<Freakworld>
10pm?
<NSY>
est
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I'll just confirm that yes, I agree with moving UP before 'Shroom.
<Freakworld>
oh wait timezones
<Anton{Politoed}>
the rest of the User awards are the nitty-gritty additions/removals
<SMB>
I was going to ask a question, but it seems we're out of time.
<Anton{Politoed}>
with U7 Favorite Community Event being another award considered for removal, but there are currently no new ideas
<Freakworld>
ok
<Anton{Politoed}>
so if anyone has something that they think could replace it, please suggest it on the forum, otherwise we will go ahead with basic additions/removals
<Anton{Politoed}>
and smb you can ask
<SMB>
I don't know which other awards Walkazo might be nominated for, but this was a concern I had in 'Shroom Awards discussions
<Toadbert>
i think i was the only one to bring that up on the quicktopic
<Toadbert>
and we just kinda figured we'd leave her in everything else
<Anton{Politoed}>
undoubtedly she will be in the Wiki contributor award, as well as U10 community achievement and Favorite Artist and others
<SMB>
And in case there were any User Awards she is potentially eligible to be nominated for, I want to bring it up so that it can be discussed in a general sense
<Chiaki_Nanami>
oh right
<Chiaki_Nanami>
politicising about a deceased user
<SMB>
Okay, so the position is that she will still be nominated?
<Toadbert>
she's probably going to dominate all those awards
<Toadbert>
but you can't remove her from them
<turb>
am i allowed to bring up shroom awards discussion in here
<Anton{Politoed}>
she will remain a nominee in those awards as for this year at least
<turb>
or shroom staff discussion
<Anton{Politoed}>
any removals will be case-by-case next year, as for how user awards go
<Freakworld>
i feel like thats suitable
<Anton{Politoed}>
but tbh idk how the shroom is/will be handling it
<Anton{Politoed}>
it's a very tough subject
<SMB>
Well, obviously I'm leaving that up to Pi and the 'Shroom Staff to decide
<Anton{Politoed}>
I am open for whatever you guys feel is appropriate
<Chiaki_Nanami>
the thing is
<Chiaki_Nanami>
we had this discussion about favourite Walkazo written section
<turb>
if favorite retired user is getting removed in favor of the dedication, should walkazo be on retired writer
<Chiaki_Nanami>
but SMB was against that idea IIRC
<turb>
or did we scrap that
<Chiaki_Nanami>
correct me if I'm wrong here, SMB
<turb>
like, should we still go with adding her
<turb>
because i remember that was discussed
<turb>
and it feels iffy
<turb>
maybe it's just me
<SMB>
No, what I was worried about specifically was if including her, as a deceased user, as an option on a publicly voted poll is appropriate.
<Anton{Politoed}>
turb: it was much easier to decide as it was U1 for User Awards, but in the shroom that award is S4 and a more minor award relatively
<Anton{Politoed}>
i.e it's not S1 or S10
<Freakworld>
should we move discussion about this to other places/another meeting or
<Chiaki_Nanami>
right
<turb>
alright
<turb>
well i'm not suggesting it gets removed
<Anton{Politoed}>
so the issue that I evaded is something I assume they'll have to actually address
<turb>
i'm just wonderinf it it's appropriate
<turb>
i guess it'll be brought up in the next meeting
<Chiaki_Nanami>
we're still not entirely sure about what to do with Shroom awards but
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I think we'll have a meeting this Sunday
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<Chiaki_Nanami>
to finish it up
<Chiaki_Nanami>
so
<Anton{Politoed}>
ok
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<Anton{Politoed}>
so again as we wrap up:
<Freakworld>
did we survive
<Anton{Politoed}>
*F4 will need to be completed, discussion will be created in a new topic soon
<Chiaki_Nanami>
I'll report to you what we've decided on after the meeting is over
<Anton{Politoed}>
*F14 will need to be worked out, discussion will continue on the forum
<NSY>
goodnight
<Anton{Politoed}>
*User Awards information will be dispersed in the User Awards General Discussion topic as the week goes on with next meeting hopefully being a quick and easy vote-to-approve fest
<Anton{Politoed}>
anyone in the User Awards Sub-Committee plz continue posting in the qt
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