unless anyone has anything pressing to bring up immediately, I'll be starting in a minute or so
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
alrighty so
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
M10 Favorite Lyrical Song (Ashley's Theme (WarioWare: Touched!), Break Free (Lead the Way) (Super Mario Odyssey), DK Rap (Donkey Kong 64), Do the Mario (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!), Jump Up, Super Star! (Super Mario Odyssey), Karaoke (Medamayaki) (Wario Land 4), The Mario Drawing Song (Flipnote Studio), Mona Pizza's Song (WarioWare: Twisted!),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Phantom of the Bwahpera (Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle), Eddie, Let Me Go Back To My Home (Donkey Kong Country cartoon), Pirate's Scorn (Donkey Kong Country cartoon), I'm Leo Luster (Donkey Kong Country cartoon), Intro (Super Mario World cartoon), Intro (Donkey Kong Country cartoon), Body Rock (WarioWare: D.I.Y.), Ignorance is Bliss (White Knuckle Scorin'),
<@Lakituthequick>
15) Intro (Donkey Kong Country cartoon) - 13 - 0.92%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Pirate's Scorn (Donkey Kong Country cartoon) - 11 - 0.78%
<@Lakituthequick>
17) Karaoke (Medamayaki) (Wario Land 4) - 10 - 0.71%
<@Lakituthequick>
18) O. I'm Nobody's Hero (Donkey Kong Country cartoon) - 3 - 0.21%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Always Smiling (Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix) - 2 - 0.14%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Holograms (Donkey Kong Country cartoon) - 2 - 0.14%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Intro (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!) - 2 - 0.14%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Mike's Theme - 2 - 0.14%
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Tomorrow Hill (WarioWare: Smooth Moves))
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I could've swore there was a suggestion for this award but I can't find it
<mfan168>
i'm almost tempted to swap out the dkc songs for different ones lmao
<mfan168>
you can fill the entire bracket with songs from that show
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
so I might just be ptsding from people having a fucking stroke over lyrical/instrumental last year
<YFJ>
Where's Big Bog Monster on here
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
hi
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
sorry
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i straight up forgot that today was Friday
<@Lakituthequick>
23) O. The Big Bog Monster (Donkey Kong Country cartoon) - 1 - 0.07%
<YFJ>
That was probably me lol
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i've been thinking it was Thursday for the past four hours
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
what are we on
<Zange>
m10
<+Rose>
I don't have very strong opinions on this award
<@Lakituthequick>
fav lyric song
<+Rose>
Should anything be changed
<YFJ>
Other than replacing all options with big bog monster i have no suggestions
<Hooded_Pitohui>
There's not much I can say here - nothing stands out as needing a change yet, and, while I might be wrong, I don't remember a comment on it off the top of my head
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I don't think we have any new material, so it's just alterations based on results
<Zange>
honestly this award's probably fine as is, yeah
<@Lakituthequick>
could consider nobody's hero
<@Lakituthequick>
otherwise no big suggestions
<@Lakituthequick>
WAIT
<@Lakituthequick>
That song for Nintendo World Japan
<YFJ>
Oh yeah that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that could be something
<Zange>
they have a song??
<Power_Flotzo>
We Are Born to Play?
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Oh, from that trailer
<@Lakituthequick>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTSA709zNzY
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is it specifically mario or nintendo
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Or, promo video, not trailer I guess
<@Lakituthequick>
Galantis ft. Charli XCX - WE ARE BORN TO PLAY
<+Rose>
That doesn't seem like a Mario song
<+Rose>
Well
<YFJ>
I don't think it had origins outside that trailer
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we add it and charli comes to the forum to accept the award
<@Lakituthequick>
it's very Mario-focussed in the leitmotifs at least
<+Rose>
See it's because it's advertising Super Nintendo World for me, not Super Mario World (even if it basically is just that)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd say that if it was made /for/ the promo video
<Hooded_Pitohui>
It seems to have been created specifically for this, fwiw
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's a big point in favor
<+Rose>
So it's hard to regard it as a Mario song??
<YFJ>
Super Nintendo World is basically Super Mario World at present
<@Lakituthequick>
Lyrics are in a pinned commend here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-QVlJzvyo
<@Lakituthequick>
No Mario references
<@Lakituthequick>
Not explicitly at least
<Zange>
this is one of those things where i have no idea how to feel about it
<+Rose>
I'm not necessarily opposed to the inclusion I just think it's on the border
<Zange>
because yeah there's a lot of references to mario music in it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's entirely mario-centric
<Zange>
but also it's not from any mario-specific media
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there's not even any general nintendo things or other franchises in it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's mario
<+Smasher>
i got busy sorry, but i have no opinion on this
<@Lakituthequick>
But yeah Nintendo World is just Mario World at this point, and the clip and the music is all Mario
<YFJ>
I think it should be added and throw out either karaoke or pirate's scorn
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think if it's made for nintendo directly, officially licensed, and the clip and music is mario
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's enough
<Hooded_Pitohui>
It's not what I'd think of if asked to imagine a Mario song, but I think this qualifies as a "Mario song"
<@Lakituthequick>
I'm also in favour of adding
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it certainly stretches the definition should we accept it, we can see how it does
<+Rose>
"or other franchises in it" Red balloons mentioned as a lyric, DKCR red balloons, coincidence??
<@Lakituthequick>
"I'M CAPTURED BY THE FEELING"
<@Lakituthequick>
Cappy capture? Stretch
<+Rose>
Anyway I'm still fine with its inclusion
<Hooded_Pitohui>
This article brings some of those references, though... I personally feel like a lot of these are stretches
Vote: Add "Galantis ft. Charli XCX - WE ARE BORN TO PLAY (Super Nintendo World Japan promo)" to M10? (y/n/a)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
my what a wordy nominee
<Zange>
a
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<mfan168>
a
<+Smasher>
:words:
<+Smasher>
a
<+Rose>
a
<YFJ>
y
<+Smasher>
2-0-4
<+Smasher>
3-0-4
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<+Smasher>
4-0-4
<@Lakituthequick>
lyrics are also here lol https://www.mariowiki.com/We_Are_Born_to_Play
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<+Smasher>
5-0-5
<+Smasher>
5-0-4*
<@Anton{Politoed}>
added
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this brings the award to 18
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we don't have to remove anything but we could if there's support
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
I wouldn't really support removing anything because a lot of the bottom ranking nominees are a vote or two apart
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<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah, it's too all or nothing on the bottom
<@Anton{Politoed}>
as a result of odyssey absorbing an overwhelming amount of votes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
so i'm fine just leaving it at 18
<+Smasher>
i don't think anything needs to be removed yeah
<+Smasher>
just keep it as is
<@Lakituthequick>
yeah
<Hooded_Pitohui>
There's not enough a clear dropoff at the end to make me think we need to remove anything at this point
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we can use this year to observe forming trends as this is still a sorta fresh award
<@Lakituthequick>
no. 9 has 22 votes and 17 has 10, that's very little difference indeed
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah, we didn't make these untl last year iirc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M12 Favorite Supporting Character (Princess Daisy, Waluigi, Toadsworth, Diddy Kong, Professor E. Gadd, Toadette, Captain Toad, Birdo, Kamek, Poochy, Pauline, Cappy)
<@Lakituthequick>
year prior actually, but last year the lyrics part was made explicit
<@Lakituthequick>
10) Diddy Kong - 71 - 4.85%
<@Lakituthequick>
11) Toadsworth - 50 - 3.42%
<@Lakituthequick>
12) Birdo - 43 - 2.94%
<@Lakituthequick>
13) O. King Boo - 4 - 0.27%
<@Lakituthequick>
13) O. Nabbit - 4 - 0.27%
<@Lakituthequick>
15) O. Geno - 3 - 0.21%
<@Lakituthequick>
15) O. Starlow - 3 - 0.21%
<@Anton{Politoed}>
were there any supporting characters that really made a surge with new games
<+Rose>
King Boo
<+meowth>
nothing that strikes me as a worthy add or delete right away
<+Rose>
LM3
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd be okay with giving King Boo a promotion
<+meowth>
i guess maybe king boo can be thrown in because of lm
<mfan168>
cappy sort of bugs me, let me look up the definition for this award
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
especially since lm3 basically confirms they're fully going with him as luigi's archnemesis
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M12 - Favorite Supporting Character - The best Mario series or Mario spin-off series character who is part of the supporting cast. This includes recurring minor characters, as well as major characters that only appeared in one game, or exclusively appear in spin-offs.
<+Rose>
Oh, spinoffs are included
<mfan168>
ah, fair
<+Rose>
I mean, I would then argue that any of the bottom ones could be viable to add
<Zange>
adding king boo would be good imo
<@Lakituthequick>
Agree with King Boo
<+meowth>
cappy wasn't even bottom 3 so
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "King Boo" to M12? (y/n/a)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
y
<Zange>
y
<+Rose>
y
<+meowth>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
4) Cappy - 127 - 8.68%
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<mfan168>
i just thought it was a bit early for cappy when he's only been in one game so far but the definition's cool with it soooo
<mfan168>
y
<+meowth>
8-0-0
<+meowth>
9-0-0* missed ltq
<@Lakituthequick>
aw, thanks :)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is anyone feeling nabbit
<+meowth>
meh
<+Rose>
I'm honestly not opposed to adding him
<@Anton{Politoed}>
he had the same number of votes but didn't really have a game that gives a chance of a boost
<+Rose>
Didn't he appear in a Mario and Sonic game or am I mistakenly
<@Lakituthequick>
yeah nabbit is just there really
<+Rose>
*mistaken
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I'm not feeling particularly for Nabbit but I'm not opposed to adding him
<+Rose>
Because he's clearly being used if that's the case
<Hooded_Pitohui>
He did have Dr. Mario World, I guess, but, then, so did... basically everyone
<Hooded_Pitohui>
And it's not like they're promoting him as heavily as they were a few years ago
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i only see him listed for Rio 2016
<+Rose>
The point is that if he keeps sticking around in spin offs then they're intending for him to stay
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
which was back during the big Nabbit push
<+meowth>
he's recurring but not particularly important or popular i don't think
<+meowth>
so im indifferent
<@Lakituthequick>
sssay now i think of it just after a passing vote
<@Lakituthequick>
King Boo isn't really a 'supporting' character is he
<@Lakituthequick>
He's an antagonist
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we do have a villain award, and he is on it
<mfan168>
couldn't you say the same for waluigi
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we have kamek on this award
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Kamek is on here despite being an antagonist
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and- yeah
<+Rose>
Kamek is on both awards—
<@Lakituthequick>
hm
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think King Boo can just exist on both awards
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
like how Bowser is a major character on a villain
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
*and a
<@Lakituthequick>
Waluigi was anta in like one game (a dance game even)
<+meowth>
agreed with perch
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think we can serve to have this definition tightened in the next year or so to include just more recurring characters
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but right now I think it's fine to stay
<+Rose>
Here's my feeling about Nabbit, if I may return to him
<@Lakituthequick>
I'm not necessarily against King Boo here, just something to think about
<@Lakituthequick>
Yes Rose
<+Rose>
There's still room on the poll, and he's made as recent of an appearance as Dr. Mario World, and if he gets like two votes, we take him off next year
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that's a valid approach
<Power_Flotzo>
Sounds good to me.
<Zange>
that could work
<+Rose>
I think he's had enough appearances and games to warrant his inclusion
<@Anton{Politoed}>
he has been a playable character pretty regularly in the last couple of years
<@Lakituthequick>
sure
<+meowth>
fair enough
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I think that's reasonable enough to add him - he has the same votes as King Boo, continues to appear
<mfan168>
he's a good punching back in smash's mushroom kingdom u stage at least
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Nabbit" to M12? (y/n/a)
<mfan168>
put him in
<+Rose>
y
<mfan168>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<Zange>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
a
<+meowth>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<mfan168>
*bag, fuck
<+meowth>
7-0-1
<+Rose>
How about Geno and Starlow, they still fit the criteria though their relevancy currently is questionable
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm a solid No but discussion is valid
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
starlow i can see since she basically became the M&L mascot
<mfan168>
geno's been dead except in gamefaqs circlejerks
<@Lakituthequick>
their relevancy is nonexistent really
<+Rose>
Geno is entirely because of Smash speculation at this point, but he is a main character in SMRPG but then Mallow and blagh
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
geno... nah, it's not really the same as cappy
<mfan168>
i'd be opposed
<+Rose>
Starlow has appeared many times in a significant Mario series
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I'm am also a now, because unlike King Boo and Nabbit, they don't feel like they have a real chance to reappear
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
if he doesn't get in by the time smash u dlc is done geno returns to the wastebin
<mfan168>
i'd be fine with starlow though
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Not with Alphadream dead
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
alphadream more like alphanightmare - wait i've made that joke
<@Lakituthequick>
I know Starlow mainly through here appearance in Dragon Problem
<@Lakituthequick>
*her
<+Smasher>
id actually favor geno over starlow because hes super popular by smash people and starlow i think has a lot of haters? i know i dont care for her at least
<mfan168>
there's nothing that says another dev team can't take the m&l series but i digress
<Zange>
i wouldnt add either of them
<+Rose>
Counterpoint: do we actively expect Toadsworth to return soon
<+Smasher>
ultimately i dont think either is needed
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
clearly we add starlow to f1
<mfan168>
toadsworth, the first mario character to canonically die
<+Rose>
I'm for adding both of them but I have more issue in general with Geno because then we have to consider Mallow and then, because they were both main characters, what about that pillow guy from DT and so on etc etc
<@Lakituthequick>
what
<@Lakituthequick>
when did he die
<Hooded_Pitohui>
It's hard to speculate on Toadsworth but he has been in the mainline platformers and multiple subseries
<mfan168>
was a joke
<@Lakituthequick>
o ok
<Hooded_Pitohui>
("when did he die" - Toadsworth is dead, the best mario conspiracy theory)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Starlow" to M12? (y/n/a)
<Hooded_Pitohui>
n
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<+Rose>
y
<+Smasher>
n
<@Lakituthequick>
ah, another one of those game theory video's i'm getting
<+Rose>
I was scared to say y on the grounds of me being the only y in a sea of a
<Zange>
n
<mfan168>
n
<Power_Flotzo>
n
<@Lakituthequick>
a
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I haven't exactly seen praise for starlow, and it's Favorite Supporting Character, now A Supporting Character
<@Anton{Politoed}>
n
<@Anton{Politoed}>
not*
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but she's one to keep an eye on
<@Lakituthequick>
2-5-1
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Geno" to M12? (y/n/a)
<+Rose>
n
<Hooded_Pitohui>
n
<Zange>
n
<@Lakituthequick>
n
<Power_Flotzo>
n!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
n, all I've seen of him is through smash speculation and I honestly just don't want to entertain that
<mfan168>
n
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
n
<+Smasher>
n
<+Rose>
What if he got announced as Smash DLC during voting and then we got a sea of writeins for him
<+Smasher>
0-9-0
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's possible
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
then he gets to be on the award next year
<mfan168>
by that logic all meme characters who haven't actually been relevant are applicable
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
but not hthis year
<Power_Flotzo>
Not gonna happen.
<+Smasher>
if he gets in smash dlc then honestly we'll have to add him then
<+Smasher>
but as of right now, nah
<mfan168>
we don't need the lanky kong slippery slope
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
Favorite Smash DLC Meme award, y/y
<+Rose>
Where's my Lanky Kong representation MarioWiki >: (
M13 - Favorite Level Theme - The best overall environmental theme of a level.
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Mountain - 31 - 2.23%
<@Lakituthequick>
17) Underwater - 27 - 1.94%
<@Lakituthequick>
18) Underground - 18 - 1.29%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Inside Bowser - 3 - 0.22%
<@Lakituthequick>
20) O. Toy box - 2 - 0.14%
<Zange>
you got lanky kong with m10's pres last year
<+Rose>
Mansion /s
<@Lakituthequick>
21 is five entries with one vote each
<mfan168>
what games had the food/sweets theme
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rose we have mansion
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's ghosthouse
<+Rose>
Fuck
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
nsmbu, odyssey both come to min
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Sweet Sweet Galaxy, one in Galaxy 2, random 3D land levels, etc, mf
<@Anton{Politoed}>
luncheon kingdom 🤮
<mfan168>
ah
<+Smasher>
don't feel a strong need to do anything with this one
<+Rose>
I'm good with it
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I wanted to ask, how do the "Night" variants work from SMM2 with this Award? Are they considered variants of the theme they apply to, or are they their own thing?
<+Rose>
Variants
<Zange>
yeah i think this one's fine
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
in fact i'm pretty sure NSMBU is entirely the food theme
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
whole way through
<mfan168>
luncheon kingdom sounds pretty forgettable
<@Lakituthequick>
yeah, they're still the thing they are based on, just with a twist @smm2 night
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I wish it was
<+Rose>
I hope you're prepared for an unforgettable Luncheon
<@Anton{Politoed}>
unfortunately it's where you spend half of the fucking game in smo
<+Smasher>
i also think theyre just variants
<@Lakituthequick>
where's edo's comic on this
<+Rose>
God, where's my Pipe option for those SMB3 levels when it's just pipes
<+Smasher>
luncheon is one of the last kingdoms in odyssey and also one of the worst
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm content with just moving on
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
same
<Power_Flotzo>
Keep as is.
<mfan168>
yeah no changes for this
<Hooded_Pitohui>
If the consensus is the night versions are variants, then I'm good with moving on
<+Smasher>
!skip
<+Rose>
Hey if we type in chat in the order of me, Anton, Smasher, Perch we could spell rash. There's nothing important about that I'm just going stir crazy
saying that is illegal until you bring back applesbot already
<Zange>
well okay then
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
smasher i believed i nyou
<@Lakituthequick>
15) Bonneters - 20 - 1.41%
<@Lakituthequick>
15) Chargin' Chucks - 20 - 1.41%
<@Lakituthequick>
17) Tostarenans - 19 - 1.34%
<@Lakituthequick>
18) Pokios - 15 - 1.06%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Piranha Plants - 6 - 0.42%
<@Lakituthequick>
20) O. Toadies - 5 - 0.35%
<@Lakituthequick>
21) O. Beanish - 4 - 0.28%
<@Lakituthequick>
21) O. Thwomps - 4 - 0.28%
<+Smasher>
why would you do this
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd be okay with switching in piranha plants
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
at the least
<+Rose>
Pitohui did you write in Toadies five times
<+Smasher>
i was just about to say
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I feel we can elevate Piranha Plants and get rid of 17 or 18
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I feel both of those are going to fade as smo ages
<+Smasher>
considering theyve been around much longer than pokios and smash helped it a lot
<@Lakituthequick>
no, only four, as I also wrote them in
<mfan168>
piranha plants would probably get a fair boost after-
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I wrote it in as much as I was able to while complying with the voting rules, Rose
<+Rose>
Which ones are the Bonneters again
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Also, yeah, I would be willing to move P. Plants up
<mfan168>
wait it's been at least a full year since the smash plant dlc
<+Smasher>
i also agree with tostarenans not being needed anymore
<mfan168>
fuuuuck
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Cappy's people, Rose
<+Rose>
Right thank you
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm down for slicing out /both/ 17 and 18
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
not the bonneters yet because they tied with the more long-term viable chucks
<Zange>
yeah we could cut one or both of those
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
but starting at the bottom
<+Smasher>
bonneters can stay for one more year
<+Smasher>
if they end up in last next year then itll be time for execution
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I kinda want to keep pokios for the novelty of them being a new cool species, whereas tostarenans just kinda were vaguely wobbly mexicans you were free to ignore
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I can't say much other than to agree - we'll see if Bonneters fall to fading recency bias
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but I'll bring both up for a vote
<@Lakituthequick>
i do agree with anton
<+Smasher>
i do like pokio far more than tostarenans
<Lord_Bowser>
hey im also a vaguely wobbly mexican
<+Smasher>
:fatyoshi:
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and that's why we ignore you
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Pokios are the best but the voters don't think so apparently
<+Rose>
>"time for execution" >DR news coming tomorrow
<+Smasher>
the best odyssey nominee finishing in last
<+Smasher>
smh
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove "Pokios" from M14? (y/n/a)
<+Rose>
Smasher do you know something 🤔
<+Rose>
n
<@Anton{Politoed}>
n
<@Lakituthequick>
n
<+Smasher>
danganronpa: mario edition
<+Smasher>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
n
<Zange>
n
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I don't like it, but
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<+Smasher>
2-5-0
<@Lakituthequick>
already exists, it's called killing game
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
n
<+Smasher>
2-6-0
<+Smasher>
scary
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove "Tostarenans" from M14? (y/n/a)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<+Rose>
y
<@Anton{Politoed}>
here's hoping for super peach odyssey
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<Zange>
y
<+Smasher>
y
<@Anton{Politoed}>
where she teams up with a panicked kamek desperate for any kind of help as bowser got kidnapped by the broodals for ruining their business reputation
<+Smasher>
theyre worse anyway
<+Smasher>
7-0-0
<@Lakituthequick>
i just pronounced that as tost-are-nans in my head, help
<Hooded_Pitohui>
My dream Mario game, Anton
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<+Smasher>
8-0-0
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Piranha Plants" to M14? (y/n/a)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
y
<+Smasher>
y
<+Rose>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<+Smasher>
6-0-0
<+Rose>
Fire Piranha Plant brings back too many bad memories than it should now and they're entirely self-imposed
<mfan168>
y
<@Anton{Politoed}>
instead of a toad in each castle it's a toadie
<+Smasher>
:blobyoshi:
<Zange>
y
<+Smasher>
7-0-0
<+Smasher>
8-0-0
<Hooded_Pitohui>
"instead of a toad in each castle it's a toadie" YES PLEASE - let them do something
<@Lakituthequick>
"Mario, IIIIII found your cap iiiin a painting!"
<@Lakituthequick>
I just relived that wedding night in KG
<@Anton{Politoed}>
toadies serve as the sequel's Capture function
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<+Smasher>
9-0-0
<+Rose>
Rip Toady
<+Smasher>
kg was a mistake
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M15 Favorite Instrumental Track (Overworld Theme (Super Mario Bros.), Main Theme (Bob-omb Battlefield) (Super Mario 64), Steam Gardens (Super Mario Odyssey), Waluigi Pinball/Wario Stadium (Mario Kart DS), Athletic Theme (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Underground Theme (Super Mario Bros.), Delfino Plaza (Super Mario Sunshine),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Gusty Garden Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy), The Grand Finale (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story), Buoy Base Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy), Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 64), Underwater Theme (Super Mario Bros.), Underground (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Rawk Hawk Battle (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door), Staff Roll (Super Mario 64),
15) Underground (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island) - 16 - 1.18%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Underground Theme (Super Mario Bros.) - 10 - 0.74%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Underwater Theme (Super Mario Bros.) - 10 - 0.74%
<@Lakituthequick>
18) O. Dire, Dire Docks (Super Mario 64) - 8 - 0.59%
<@Lakituthequick>
18) O. The Ultimate Show (Super Paper Mario) - 8 - 0.59%
<@Lakituthequick>
20) O. Good Egg Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy) - 6 - 0.44%
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we crafted this award fresh last year with our own committee deciding all of the nominees
<+Rose>
Question about this one, did we agree not to add Smash tracks because that'd be too much shit to deal with, or were they just not brought up ever
<@Lakituthequick>
I do think DDD would make a good addition
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so looking at the write-ins is very important
<+Smasher>
these are really close numbers
<+Smasher>
i think ddd can be added
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
DDD definitely gets in
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that one's pretty iconic
<mfan168>
ddd?
<@Lakituthequick>
here's some more writins
<@Lakituthequick>
21) O. Fossil Falls (Super Mario Odyssey) - 5 - 0.37%
<@Lakituthequick>
22) O. Adventure's End (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team) - 4 - 0.29%
<@Lakituthequick>
22) O. Double Cherry Pass (Super Mario 3D World) - 4 - 0.29%
<@Lakituthequick>
22) O. Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 7) - 4 - 0.29%
<@Lakituthequick>
22) O. Super Bell Hill (Super Mario 3D World) - 4 - 0.29%
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
dire dire docks
<+Smasher>
maybe the two smb tracks that flopped can be swapped out for that and ultimate show
<+Smasher>
dire dire docks
<Hooded_Pitohui>
While I like DDD, why does it get in without The Ult- oh, because it's so well known?
<mfan168>
what can that be besides Kingdom Hearts Dre-
<mfan168>
ah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rose: same reason smash character was cut
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also i didn't get to finish but
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd say it can pull ultimate show up with it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
due to ties
<+Smasher>
yeah
<+Rose>
We had a favorite Smash Character award?
<+Smasher>
yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
for years
<+Smasher>
we cut it a couple years ago
<mfan168>
actually question
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
then we killed it because it was outside of our scope
<Zange>
wew
<+Rose>
Anyway I say cut both 16 add both 18
<+Smasher>
agreed
<@Anton{Politoed}>
people got incredibly angry when I suggested removing all smash content
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i like rose's idea
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Agreed
<mfan168>
maybe because there's much more instrumental songs available than lyrical but
<@turb>
fuck i forgot the meeting was today sorry
<+Rose>
Let's add Favorite Smash Remix /s
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's ok turb
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i forgot today was friday
<+Smasher>
who is turb
<@turb>
was doing work time and then came back an hour late
<@turb>
soz
<mfan168>
how come the lyrical category has reps from wario/dk but not this one
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's open to the option
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's just none of them scored high enough on our committee crafting for us to add them
<+Smasher>
for what its worth im 90% sure i voted for dk island swing
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
because there are a shitfuckload of these
<@Lakituthequick>
Good question
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm surprised by M15's vote structure though
<+Rose>
... maybe that's the way we make the three award rotation not stagnant when the time comes
<mfan168>
idk, jungle level is pretty iconic
<@Lakituthequick>
DK has good music
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I would've expected Overworld (SM) to be like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
near first
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
huh
<@turb>
i think there were dk and wario songs suggested at the time of the creation
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that is... an interesting idea, rose
<@turb>
but it's been a while
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
interesting in a good way not a "i have nothing good to say about it" way
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and Underground and Underwater placing much higher as they're pretty iconic in western culture in general
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but alas
<Hooded_Pitohui>
That is a genuinely good idea to look into, Rose
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/40904/ yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
checking the thread
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Considering how packed this Award already is
<+Smasher>
that's a legitimately good idea
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
there were dk suggestions
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
they just did not do well enough to make it onto the award proper
<+Smasher>
dk island swing should have made it smh
GBAToad has joined #mwikiawards
<+Smasher>
i think i even wrote it is
<+Smasher>
in*
<@turb>
i'm guessing people were voting based off the 8 bit versions and not the leitmotif that's carried around throughout games which is why their placing was so bad
<+Rose>
There's so much shit that can be packed into this word lmao
<+Rose>
*award
<@Anton{Politoed}>
what's the suggestion for rotation
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that we do best dk/yoshi/wario instrumental piece and sift them out of this
<@turb>
i have to leave for another minute again so if there's a vote to add dire dire dicks i hope i don't miss it
<+Rose>
Turb's feeling dire over dicks
<+Smasher>
oh i thought he meant for the vote for this one
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh so it's to make that one of the m5-7 rotations and not a song award rotation, ok
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah
<Zange>
turb that is the worlds greatest typo lmao
<+Smasher>
yeah
<Hooded_Pitohui>
If I'm parsing it correctly, it's to replace the Wario/DK/Yoshi Award we were worried about getting stagnant with a Wario, yeah
<@turb>
it was intentional
<@turb>
its ok
<+Smasher>
dire dire dicks :fuck:
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
like how we split off the levels from the 2d/3d levels for rotation
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll put it in my notes
<@Lakituthequick>
so that would add a fourth to the rotation
<+Rose>
Anyway my suggestion earlier still stands, kill both 16 add both 18
<@Lakituthequick>
with it next year probably
<@Lakituthequick>
if it passes that is
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we can develop this idea this year to see if anything pans out
<@Anton{Politoed}>
at the least, it would provide a ground for it to be shifted in next year
<+Smasher>
yeah i still support killing underground/water for dire dire dicks/ultimate show
<@Lakituthequick>
also yes, nuke both 16, add ddd, unsure about ultimate show
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove "Underground Theme (Super Mario Bros.)" and "Underwater Theme (Super Mario Bros.)" from M15? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<+Smasher>
y
<+Rose>
Ultimate Show has the same number of votes I don't see a reason not to
<+Rose>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<+Smasher>
^
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<+Smasher>
5-0-0
<Zange>
y
<+Smasher>
6-0-0
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
send them both to the shadow realm
<Power_Flotzo>
y (even if it kills me...)
<+Smasher>
7-0-0
<@Lakituthequick>
i'm just less familiar with it is all
<+Rose>
It's a fan favorite from the PM series in my experience
<@Lakituthequick>
i.e. not
<@Lakituthequick>
sure, do add it
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Considering how much it's already been parroted, someone's going to write in Dire Dire Docks with Turb's typo - I have no doubt of this
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Dire, Dire Docks (Super Mario 64)" to M15? (y/n/a)
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Not that that's a good idea
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<+Rose>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<Zange>
y
<+Smasher>
y
<+Smasher>
6-0-0
<mfan168>
y
<+Smasher>
turb vote for dire dire dircks
<+Smasher>
dicks
<+Smasher>
7-0-0
<+Rose>
dircks
<@Lakituthequick>
I'll be honest
<mfan168>
dire dire dirk striders
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<+Smasher>
8-0-0
<@Lakituthequick>
I wrote in "Turb & Smasher" a couple years ago for Wario character after it turned up in chat
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
so it was you!
<+Smasher>
LOL
<@Lakituthequick>
yes
<@Lakituthequick>
't was i
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
now i'm just remembering Smasher's Dial-Up Kong
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and also that fan favorite, Fuck-Ass Bitch Kong
<@Lakituthequick>
that wasnt me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "The Ultimate Show (Super Paper Mario)" to M15? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<+Rose>
He's the leader of the bunch, you know him well
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<+Smasher>
y
<+Rose>
y
<Zange>
a
<+Smasher>
4-0-1
<@Lakituthequick>
a
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<@turb>
a
<+Smasher>
5-0-2
<+Smasher>
5-0-3
<+Rose>
Zange you were Dimentio in KG c'mon now
<+Smasher>
youve missed your chance turb
<@turb>
as long as it got in
<Zange>
oh heck you right
<Zange>
changing to y
<+Smasher>
it did
<+Smasher>
6-0-2
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Swap out "Underground (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)" with "Good Egg Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy)" in M15? (y/n/a)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
hmmm
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if we were to proceed this would be the next stop
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
n, imo
<+Rose>
I don't even remember what underground sounds like
<+Smasher>
i dont either
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yi underground did better, i'm willign to give it once more shot
<@Anton{Politoed}>
dodododododo
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
dodo do do dooooooo
<+Smasher>
and i played it pretty recently
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I'd put a no to that, because there's still some spread in the votes between those
<+Smasher>
a
<@Lakituthequick>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwU1ETTrvPc
<Hooded_Pitohui>
If it doesn't do well again, then next year it can be swapped
<@turb>
n
<+Smasher>
0-3-1
<Zange>
a
<@Lakituthequick>
a
<+Rose>
Yo this track is killer shame I don't really know it
<+Rose>
Also a
<+Smasher>
0-3-3
<Power_Flotzo>
a
<+Smasher>
0-3-5
<+Smasher>
think we can just discard it since no one seems to want it
<+Smasher>
this swap i men
<+Smasher>
mean
<+Rose>
Just through out the track altogether
<+Rose>
*throw
<+Rose>
God
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M16 Favorite Item (Tanooki Suit/Statue Leaf, Super Leaf, Super Star, Fire Flower, Mega Mushroom, Metal Cap, Wing Cap, Bullet Bill, Propeller Mushroom, Penguin Suit, Cloud Flower, Cape Feather, Gold Flower, Super Bell, Double Cherry, Mystery Mushroom, Motor Scooter, Hammer Suit, Super Crown)
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Super Crown - 36 - 2.58%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Wing Cap - 36 - 2.58%
<@Lakituthequick>
18) Bullet Bill - 25 - 1.79%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) Motor Scooter - 23 - 1.65%
<@Lakituthequick>
20) O. Blue Shell - 10 - 0.72%
<@Lakituthequick>
21) O. Ice Flower - 7 - 0.50%
<@Lakituthequick>
22) O. Red Star - 6 - 0.43%
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this award has 19 because ???????????? so I want to chop
<@Lakituthequick>
w
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but the votes are close
<@Lakituthequick>
19 how
<@turb>
oops
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
probably slippd through the cracks
<Zange>
how does it have 19 wtf
<+Smasher>
Oops!
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd say we can kill motor scooter and bullet bill
<@Lakituthequick>
we did it boys, 18 limit is no more
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think with polldaddy changing into crowdsource it allowed for the room
<@turb>
yeah
<+Smasher>
honestly i would be ok with killing both the bottom two
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I would advise killing the Motor Scooter and Bullet Bill, as well
<+Rose>
Scooter isn't going to have any relevancy this year is what I'm feeling
<@Lakituthequick>
let's add everything we previously discarded
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
who's ready for INFINITE NOMINEES
<@turb>
i didn't realize the limit got undone
<Zange>
oh dear lord
<@turb>
the bullet is pretty weak in general even with the scooter losing relevancy so I'm ok with both being gone
<+Rose>
Finally we can add that healing herb from M&L into the list
<+Smasher>
quick, let's add everything that's ever been an item in any mario game
<Power_Flotzo>
Motor Scooter doesn't satisfy the definition of a power-up for me. I'm all for axing it.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove "Motor Scooter" from M16? (y/n/a)
<Zange>
but yeah axe 'em both
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
it's fav item, not fav powerup
<+Rose>
y
<Zange>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
still though
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<@turb>
y
<+Smasher>
y'
<+Smasher>
8-0-0
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove "Bullet Bill" from M16? (y/n/a)
<@turb>
y
<+Rose>
a
<+Smasher>
y
<Zange>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
a
<+Smasher>
3-0-2
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<+Smasher>
5-0-2
<@Anton{Politoed}>
brb as a huge noise just happened
<+Smasher>
horrifying
<Zange>
uh oh;;;
<@Lakituthequick>
for all we know it really is horrifying
<Power_Flotzo>
Oh the humanity!
<+Rose>
It's the sound of a bullet bill crashing through your wall in defiance
<@Lakituthequick>
all of these jokes are going to be in bad taste if something like a car crashed
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Oh, perfect timing, I also got distracted because I'm in an exchange of aggressively shouting My Fair Lady quotes back and forth
<@Anton{Politoed}>
everything's fine
<+Smasher>
:blobmorning:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
throwback to the meeting I had to abandon because of gunshots outside
<+Smasher>
oh
<@turb>
I forgot about that one
<+Rose>
My Fair Lady is bad is that a hot take
<@Lakituthequick>
when was that
<Zange>
oh yikes ;;;;;
<Hooded_Pitohui>
That's... that's something
<@Anton{Politoed}>
like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
7 years ago
<+Rose>
Wew
<+Smasher>
forgot all about that
<Lord_Bowser>
norma is crafting a terrarium if anyone wants
<Lord_Bowser>
oops wrong channel
<Zange>
someone's gonna look at these logs later and be so confused how we got here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anyways are there any items from the new games that anyone desperately wants to add
<@Anton{Politoed}>
did lm3 add something cool
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we'll address gooigi later maybe
<Power_Flotzo>
Another chatroom moment for the books.
<+Smasher>
havent played it
<+Rose>
It added glasses that fall over and I think that's important
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Hmm... nothing comes to mind as real LM3 additions
<+Rose>
Wait
<+Smasher>
only if we add it as Glasses That Fall Over
<+Rose>
What does Gooigi count as
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Favorite Thot Award
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Gooigi is, if anything, more of a FLUDD or Cappy, to me?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
probably game mechanic
Rose looks at Supporting Character in panic
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
gooigi feels like he'd have a shot at supporting character but i'd want to see how the writeins this year look
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Oh huh
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
unlike cappy i don't think it's strong enough to go in right now
<@Lakituthequick>
just went to the bathroom to get water though a dark hallway while yoshi island underground was still playing through my headphones
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Gooigi as favorite supporting character makes a lot of sense to me
<@Lakituthequick>
how fitting
<+Smasher>
i was GOING to ask about gooigi for supporting character but got distracting
<+Rose>
Smasher stop distracting people
<+Smasher>
i dont feel strongly about it though
<+Smasher>
distracted'
<+Smasher>
fuck
<@Lakituthequick>
gooigi is just luigi but with a weakness to water and fire right
<@turb>
lm3 didn't add any new items that weren't already in lm2 that i'm aware of
<@Anton{Politoed}>
did dr baby daisy world add anything new and relevant
<@Lakituthequick>
also walks through walls
<Hooded_Pitohui>
"gooigi is just luigi but with a weakness to water and fire right" Kind of? They also gave him unique reactions and animations, though
<Zange>
would it have?
<+Smasher>
anyway i dont really want to add anything new to this unless we want to throw a write in like blue shell in
<+Rose>
It added Dr. Baby Daisy who should definitely be in Supporting Character
<@Lakituthequick>
by removing motor scooter we did return the balance to the polls
<@Lakituthequick>
insert thanos meme here
<+Smasher>
fuck that rose
<+Rose>
I don't think anybody is going to be miffed about Blue Shell not being an option
But, no, I don't know of any character or items worth anything from Dr. Mario World (except Dr. Kamek)
<@Lakituthequick>
wow, staff tickets
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M17 Favorite Mario RPG (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Super Paper Mario, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle)
<+Smasher>
mfw dr kamek
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this award is all-encompassing
<@Lakituthequick>
10) Paper Mario: Color Splash - 48 - 3.37%
<@Lakituthequick>
11) Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam - 33 - 2.32%
<@Lakituthequick>
12) Paper Mario: Sticker Star - 19 - 1.33%
<@Lakituthequick>
13) Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition - 18 - 1.26%
<@Anton{Politoed}>
afaik there's no new rpgs
<+Smasher>
do we do anything lol
<@Lakituthequick>
also yes, no writeins and such
<+Rose>
It's good as is
<@Lakituthequick>
can skip safely probably
<+Smasher>
i remember no rpgs
<Hooded_Pitohui>
No new RPGs, so it's skippable
<@turb>
unless there were suddenly 8 new rpgs releasing before awards time this is fine
<+Smasher>
no new rpgs even
<Zange>
skip
<mfan168>
i forgot puzzles and dragons existed lmao
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M18 Favorite Mario Party Game (Mario Party, Mario Party 2, Mario Party 3, Mario Party 4, Mario Party 5, Mario Party 6, Mario Party Advance, Mario Party 7, Mario Party DS, Mario Party 8, Mario Party 9, Mario Party: Island Tour, Mario Party 10, Mario Party: Star Rush, Mario Party: The Top 100, Super Mario Party)
<+Smasher>
!skip
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and likewise
<@Lakituthequick>
12) Mario Party: The Top 100 - 31 - 2.29%
<@Lakituthequick>
14) Mario Party: Star Rush - 17 - 1.25%
<@Lakituthequick>
15) Mario Party: Island Tour - 16 - 1.18%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Mario Party Advance - 11 - 0.81%
<@Lakituthequick>
also same
<+Smasher>
that was to the other one but really
<+Smasher>
!skip
<Zange>
skiiip
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Add that Mario Party Board Game[/s]
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
skip
<@Lakituthequick>
there is a board game?
<@Lakituthequick>
I mean
<+Smasher>
there's a board game???
<Hooded_Pitohui>
One with cards and the E-reader, yeah
<Zange>
actually wait
<@Lakituthequick>
it doesnt surprise me
<Zange>
mario party e exists
<Hooded_Pitohui>
But you can play it as a standalone game
<+Smasher>
oh the e reader one
<+Smasher>
i forgot about that
<mfan168>
add mario monopoly goddamnit
<+Smasher>
does anyone care about it enough
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M19 Favorite Villain (Bowser, Kamek, King K. Rool, Dimentio, Bowser Jr., King Boo, Count Bleck, Cackletta, Fawful, Wart, Sir Grodus, Shadow Queen, Lord Crump, Captain Syrup, Shroobs, Koopa Bros.)
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I mean, I have the whole thing sans the actual E-Reader, but, in all seriousness, no
<mfan168>
what's lord crump from
<@Lakituthequick>
13) Koopa Bros. - 21 - 1.45%
<@Lakituthequick>
13) Lord Crump - 21 - 1.45%
<@Lakituthequick>
15) Wart - 19 - 1.31%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Sir Grodus - 15 - 1.04%
<@Lakituthequick>
17) O. Waluigi - 8 - 0.55%
<@Lakituthequick>
18) O. Koopalings - 7 - 0.48%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Ludwig von Koopa - 5 - 0.35%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Smithy - 5 - 0.35%
<+Smasher>
ttyd
<Hooded_Pitohui>
TTYD
<mfan168>
that explains it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the award is at 16 already so I don't really want to add anything unless it's necessary
<Zange>
we can probably leave it as is
<@Anton{Politoed}>
waluigi is the highest write-in but I don't feel it would be fair to include him among the others
<+Smasher>
im not really feeling any cuts or writeins
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
nobody's coming to mind
<@Lakituthequick>
waluigi is probably mostly a meme
<@Anton{Politoed}>
he would absorb a lot of votes by name only
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah, waluigi is an /antagonist/ but not a /villain/
<+Smasher>
i dont think waluigi truly qualifies
<mfan168>
Fuck You Ludwig
<mfan168>
let's move on
<+Rose>
I assume Antasma was on there years ago
<Hooded_Pitohui>
The only one who comes to mind is Hellen but I don't think she'd be popular enough to be worth adding, when King Boo is more well-known anyways
<@turb>
let me go find the deifnition
<@turb>
i'm not sure antasma was ever on here because i've only met like 2 people in the world who know who he is
<+Rose>
Huh, strange
<+Smasher>
i dont really want koopalings as a single entry and i wouldnt want to bother with picking one
<@turb>
The best Mario series or Mario spin-off series villain or nefarious group, major or minor. This award takes into account their role in the story, their actions, boss battles, and overall characterization.
<@turb>
so yeah
<+Rose>
I actually don't see the harm in adding Koopalings as a collective unit but I'm fine with them staying off too
<@turb>
the closest waluigi got to being a villain was ddr
<@turb>
it does allow for groups so it would be allowed
<@turb>
i'm ambivalent
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Well, Mario Tennis Ac- no he was possessed, nevermind
<+Smasher>
oh yeah actually i forgot that groups were allowed here
<+Smasher>
i dont really feel strongly about them though
<@Lakituthequick>
good one, Lucien
<@Lakituthequick>
but it
<@Lakituthequick>
s just a racket
<+Rose>
They do all have defined characteristics and plenty of boss battles
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm fine with moving on
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I am also fine with that
<+Smasher>
yeah
<@turb>
yeah
<Zange>
yea
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M20 Favorite Sports Game (Mario Tennis (N64), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Mario Power Tennis, Mario Superstar Baseball, Mario Strikers Charged, Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Mario Sports Mix, Super Mario Strikers, Mario Super Sluggers, Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games, Mario Tennis Open, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games, Mario Golf: World Tour,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Mario Sports Superstars, Mario Tennis Aces)
<@Lakituthequick>
14) Mario Sports Superstars - 22 - 1.77%
<@Lakituthequick>
15) Mario Tennis Open - 17 - 1.37%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash - 12 - 0.97%
<@Lakituthequick>
17) O. Mario Golf (N64) - 4 - 0.32%
<@Lakituthequick>
18) O. Mario Golf: Advance Tour - 3 - 0.24%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games - 2 - 0.16%
<@Lakituthequick>
19) O. Mario Golf (GBC) - 2 - 0.16%
<mfan168>
add mario and sonic at the 2021 olympic games
<@Lakituthequick>
not too exciting i guess
<@turb>
add tokyo olympics in place of ultra smash if we replace
<@turb>
otherwise just add it
<+Smasher>
im ok with swapping them
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm okay dropping ultra smash
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Per Turb on this one
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
when it went That Lone
<+Smasher>
i dont think anyone likes ultra smash
<@Lakituthequick>
yeah, per tokio
<@Lakituthequick>
i like that it seems to have a high quality model of lakitu
<@Lakituthequick>
i don't like that nobody ripped it yet
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020" to M20? (y/n/a)
<Zange>
y
<+Rose>
y
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<@turb>
y
<mfan168>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<+Smasher>
y
<+Smasher>
8-0-0
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yy
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think we can leave ultra smash on there to watch it get trashed again but
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Remove "Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash" from M20? (y/n/a)
<@Lakituthequick>
y
<@turb>
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<Hooded_Pitohui>
y
<Zange>
a
<mfan168>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<+Smasher>
y
<+Smasher>
9-0-0 m&s
<+Smasher>
6-0-2 us
<+Rose>
a
<+Smasher>
6-0-3
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anything else for this award?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i got none
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I see nothing else in need of change
<+Smasher>
im ready to move on
<@Lakituthequick>
!continue
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M21 Favorite Puzzle Game (Dr. Mario (series), Tetris Attack, Yoshi's Cookie, Wario's Woods, Mario's Picross, Yoshi, Donkey Kong (Game Boy)/Mario vs. Donkey Kong (GBA), Mario vs. Donkey Kong (2 and onwards), DK: King of Swing/DK: Jungle Climber, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition)
<@Lakituthequick>
7) Wario's Woods - 43 - 3.33%
<@Lakituthequick>
8) Yoshi - 41 - 3.18%
<@Lakituthequick>
9) Mario's Picross - 40 - 3.10%
<@Lakituthequick>
10) DK: King of Swing/DK: Jungle Climber - 31 - 2.40%
<@Lakituthequick>
10) Yoshi's Cookie - 31 - 2.40%
<@Lakituthequick>
12) O. Mario's Super Picross - 1 - 0.08%
<@Lakituthequick>
--end of writeins--
<+Smasher>
rip
<+Rose>
F
<+Smasher>
dr mario (series) covers world
<Zange>
we could probably leave this one be?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm oaky with a skip
<+Smasher>
i dont really think we need to do anything here
<+Rose>
If we add Dr. Mario World we're just going to see it get smashed
Physically seek out other players and ram your phone into their own
<@Lakituthequick>
good idea
<+Rose>
Good suggestion
<+Smasher>
i would do this
<Zange>
i like this idea
<@Lakituthequick>
can't wait for the insurance forms to come in
<@Anton{Politoed}>
alright so we'll pick up with M23 and 24 next week to start fresh on the odyssey awards as we ponder if they're still relevant, and to give us time to brainstorm potential replacements should they be necessary before we come to it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we'll use the rest of, or as much as necessary, of the time left to formally introduce something that was brought up late last year
<+Smasher>
fear
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the day before the ceremony last year it was suggested to make the chat party on discord instead of irc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this was not something I was going to allow happen because it was literally under 24 hours until the ceremony
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and I was NOT going to deal with all of the shit involved in doing that at that point in time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so, we're here now
<@Anton{Politoed}>
discussion can be found in this thread here, linking specifically to porple's post that had a tangible idea
my view on this remains the same as it does last year; if irc fucks up during the ceremony it only really affects a small portion of people (see: netsplits, or one entrance failing)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I have My Opinions on this but I just want to introduce the concept to the Awards Committee here first to see what thoughts are
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
if /discord/ fucks up, the entire server goes out for an unknown period of time, which tanks ALL discussion
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd rather take the one with less overall risk
<@Lakituthequick>
is irc not equally likely to fuck up
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we don't need to come to a decision tonight, but this is just to at least introduce it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm not saying it isn't
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm saying that if irc fucks up it affects a smaller portion
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rather than knocking the entire chat party offline
<+Smasher>
itd be easier for me if it were on discord but shrug
<+Smasher>
ill still join if its on irc
<mfan168>
discord rarely fucks up for me so
<mfan168>
this is more of a worst case scenario you're talking about, perch
<@Lakituthequick>
03:42:31 <mfan168> of *course* it was porple -- he wasn't the source of the suggestion, he just offered a possible solution
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
...and?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
for people who aren't fully aware
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I mean, it'd also be easier for me if it were on Discord, but I have no problems getting into IRC for it, and I think, on the whole, the IRC chat tends to have more people who are actually interested in the proceedings
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i've seen these worst case scenarios happen and they have no respect to time
<mfan168>
regardless, i find discord more comfortable to use than irc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the chat party is just the like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
get-together of everyone talking about the award results in realtime as the ceremony goes on
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
fond memories of the time discord went down for five hours in the middle of the day
<Zange>
i say the following purely with what's likely in store for me in mind but tldr i'm leaning towards discord
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Where I think the Discord would have a good number of people dip in for a moment and have no interest and go to other channels
<+Rose>
My preference defers to irc currently, and it's because of the argument with the Discord crashing but also because it feels so much more personal to have everybody in irc together. Sure, there's more people on Discord, but 90% of the server likely isn't going to participate or care
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's also where we as hosts can tag people who are coming up on their presentation time
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Per Rose
<@turb>
i maintain that it would be easier to moderate and keep the auxiliary function of the chat party, which to me is scheduling upcoming awards in the topic, on irc
<@turb>
yeah
<@turb>
it's difficult to do so on discord without the usage of external bots that announce topic changes and etc etc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the integral part of the ceremony is on the forum
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rose sums up the other point i wanted to make, which is that i don't think people in the discord who are not engaged with awards otherwise (forums, for example) would care
<+Rose>
When you see all of these different members joining the channel it makes you go "here's all the people that are really interested and passionate for this event"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
having the formal chat party in one place does not prevent people from getting together and talking about the results in the other
<@turb>
I am willing to learn that this year as it's being discussed well in advance instead of a day before the ceremony
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
so i don't think the argument about "this'll get so many new eyeballs!" holds water
<@Lakituthequick>
it's true that darkmyst has its load balancing in order, should australia derp up, europe and the americas can still talk
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and yeah, it's not like we'd ban discord discussion of awards
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's just "which one has the scheduling going on"
<Zange>
last year during the chat party and ceremony i was out of the house for like the first hour and a half and couldnt keep up with things as much as i'd have liked to due to only having my phone
<@turb>
the awards had essentially 0 people mention them on discord last year fwiw
<@turb>
and I'm not going to call that a nail in the coffin as the chat party was indeed on irc
<@turb>
and the main event was on the forums
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I definitely think it would good for there to be some option and way for people on Discord to keep up with and engage the ceremony, like, if someone is more comfortable using it, it'd be /nice/ if there were some way to ping them for presentations there or something
<Hooded_Pitohui>
But not at the expense of the irc chat party
<Zange>
depending on college things that may be the case again this year so discord would be easier for me if that happens
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's not like I didn't spam the absolute fuck out of discord with awards stuff, either
<@turb>
but there wasn't a storm of new people attempting to create discussion about them there separately from us
<@turb>
yeah
<@turb>
like they weren't brushed aside in favor of irc completely
<Zange>
im fine with irc of course
<+Rose>
You can get an irc client for your phone
<@turb>
awards were still spammed like mad and advertised
<@Anton{Politoed}>
porple's solution to a discord party resolves the issue of maintaining logs
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's a valid solution
<Zange>
counterpoint: my phone has awful storage and discord is already on there
<@Anton{Politoed}>
my concern is is it a necessary fix
<@turb>
androirc only takes up about 11 mb for me
<Zange>
irc is fine, it's just more of a hassle if i'm out of the house
<@turb>
compared to discord's 200
<@turb>
i actually had no idea it was 200 before now
<@turb>
worry
<mfan168>
countercounterpoint: you don't need to use an irc app, use irc on mariowiki ;^)
<Zange>
(which im doing everything in my power to have that Not happen)
<+Rose>
Personally I don't think there's any necessity to transfer the main celebration to Discord, and people can always talk about it in Discord anyway
<mfan168>
*:^)
<@Lakituthequick>
i guess discord is more convenient while irc is cosier and more focussed
<@Anton{Politoed}>
(also for people reading logs who want discord as the place, I did announce that anyone can join the committee and that this would be one of the only focus topics of the year aside from awards)
<mfan168>
not that it matters that much
<@Anton{Politoed}>
to alleviate any concerns about irc, as there was the world's worst timing of a mibbit outage
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I will make serious attempts to diversify the clients
<@Anton{Politoed}>
mibbit was just easier because I can make a direct url link
<Zange>
i will say if discord is the route we end up going i really liked porple's idea
<Hooded_Pitohui>
As platforms go, they have their different conveniences based on preference and individual situations, so much of my reasoning is based on what Rose and Perch already said
<+Rose>
Why is there an argument of convenience for Discord when all you need to do is go to an irc client and type in a few words? If you don't want to download a client then just go to the MarioWiki link and that should be fine
<+Rose>
I know more people have Siscordy
<+Rose>
*Discord wew
<+Rose>
But it isn't that hard to join an irc channel
<@Anton{Politoed}>
discord bimbofication
<@Lakituthequick>
true, discord requires one to have an account, irc doesn't
<Hooded_Pitohui>
I would definitely appreciate more advertising of these different IRC cliences and how IRC works in general, speaking as someone who knows next to nothing about IRC other than its use for Awards
<@Lakituthequick>
both work in a browser though, no need to download anything if you just want to watch
<Lord_Bowser>
id like to suggest irccloud as a promising mobile client
<Hooded_Pitohui>
*clients, not cliences
<Zange>
the thing with irc on a phone where youre not using a client (like i havent been), it has a tendency to be very finnicky
<Lord_Bowser>
its much more resistant to disconnects than a typical client (i.e. you can freely switch between wifi and mobile data without losing connection)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if anyone has more detailed information on clients they'd suggest, feel free to dump it in the staff board because I'm pretty much only familiar with mibbit and mirc
<@Lakituthequick>
(irccloud is something like a proxy, they connect to irc for you and you connect to them, without having to worry about your own connection)
<Lord_Bowser>
and it has good backlogging
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there's absolutely plenty of time to research this and dispense information, as well
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's why i think if we go with irc this year we should try and give people more information
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and suggested connection methods
<+Rose>
I think if we advertise or explain "hey here's what you can use to access irc" a few weeks before and people have time to get it prepared
<+Rose>
Then we're set
<Zange>
like i cant even remember the amount of times that i left the chrome app for two minutes while i was on irc and when i went back in it refreshed me
<+Smasher>
i do have ircloud and i would recommend it
<Lord_Bowser>
irccloud wont do that zange
<Zange>
maybe this'll be the thing that actually gets me to install a client on my phone who knows
<Lord_Bowser>
i would highly recommend it if youre having connection problems
<@Anton{Politoed}>
access information via mibbit to this channel is pretty much available year-round as it's where we host meetings
<+Rose>
The mibbit client on browser is like that because it's on browser
<Zange>
because the first time i tried to use one i couldnt figure it out for the life of me
<+Rose>
A downloaded client won't do that
<Zange>
and i dont even remember which one it was
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Rose and Perch are stealing my words so I'm going to let them keep talking for me
<Lord_Bowser>
its downside is that itll autokick you if youre inactive for more than 2 hours, but that shouldnt really be that big a problem honestly
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I post it everywhere that I advertise meetings
<Lord_Bowser>
theres a paid sub thing but absolutely none of its features are necessary for just here
<+Rose>
I think that there's a perception that it's still just for Awards Committee business, even if you say otherwise, and people don't understand that mibbit isn't the only option
<Lord_Bowser>
so dont even bother with that lol
<+Rose>
So I think a quick message of "here's some other clients to check out before the ceremony starts!"
<+Rose>
Would be perfectly enough
<+Rose>
My impression is that people prefer Discord because they find the irc client linked on MarioWiki specifically to be bothersome
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Yeah, until YFJ said something last week, I had no idea you can use IRC any other way than through the Wiki link
<+Rose>
So if they were made consciously aware of other options that'd remedy that issue
<Zange>
how do you even use a client, anyways?
<Zange>
serious question
<+Rose>
You download it and that's it
<@Lakituthequick>
potentially good starting point for suggestions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients
<Zange>
(specifically a mobile one)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
you download a program, then input the sp- oh
<Lord_Bowser>
youll need to connect to irc.darkmyst.org
<+Rose>
It's an app
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
mobile, i dunno
<Lord_Bowser>
what client are you using zange
<@turb>
/connect irc.darkmyst.org
<@turb>
then /j #mwikiawards
<Zange>
i dont even know which one i had on my phone when i tried to use one the first time, it was well over a year ago
<Zange>
like i could not figure out how to connect to a server
<+Rose>
Well that's how ^
<@Lakituthequick>
worth noting: commands may differ between client
<GBAToad>
the one thing horrifying about irccloud is having to look at lbs avatar
<Lord_Bowser>
just disable avatars lul
<@Lakituthequick>
irccloud has avatars?
<@Lakituthequick>
that's not even an irc thing
<@turb>
/j is shorthand so if that doesn't work /join usually does
<Zange>
i will probably end up hunting someone down for help later once i actually figure out which one to put on my phone
<Lord_Bowser>
yeah but you can hide them easily
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"Initial release November 2007"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
god
<+Rose>
For reiteration one more time before the meeting ends, I'm in the camp of Stick With IRC
<@turb>
i wonder if kiwiirc still exists
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i've been using mibbit since it was conceived
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I didn't realize it wasn't older
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Relevant mood https://xkcd.com/1782/
<Hooded_Pitohui>
But, yeah, I'm with Rose on stick with IRC for now
<Lord_Bowser>
also ill mention that not only are irc netsplits less serious than discord outages, theyre also generally rarer
<@Anton{Politoed}>
dating neu is why I stuck to irc
<@Lakituthequick>
theres always a good xkcd
<@Anton{Politoed}>
boy couldn't keep his hands on a single chat service for more than a month
<Lord_Bowser>
the one that happened last year(?) was just extremely unfortunate timing
kiwi_77 has joined #mwikiawards
<@turb>
it's still around and doesn't mask your host name anymore
mfan168 has left (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
<Zange>
relatable x2
<+Rose>
relatable x0.5
<@Lakituthequick>
so...
<GBAToad>
good comic
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so from the vibe I'm getting, majority ac opinion is stick with irc for the chat party, but take better care to diversify clients and dispense information on how to use them
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this stance is fluid, but it's what I'm going to work with until the tides change
<@Lakituthequick>
pretty much
<Hooded_Pitohui>
That's my opinion on the matter
<+Smasher>
fair enough
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's my view, yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and with that, the meeting is over!
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
stick with irc, but make irc feel more avaliable and accessible to newcomers
<@turb>
:clap:
<+Rose>
Good work team 🎉
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
We Did It
<@Anton{Politoed}>
thank you all for joining and being active
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we'll meet again in ~8 days
<@Anton{Politoed}>
be sure to read the shroom tomorrow
<Power_Flotzo>
OK, see you then!
<@turb>
i'll remember the first hour of the meeting next time
<Hooded_Pitohui>
Please do! Go sign up to write for The 'Shroom, too