a more thorough doublechecking can take place with the complete review as people have time to do their own checking of accuracy
<@Lakituthequick>
I'll end up verifying any small spelling mistakes that might occur when I'm compiling my lists
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C2 Favorite Retired 'Shroom Writer (Walkazo, Mr. Edo, Super Mario Bros., Stooben, Toadbert101, Baby Luigi, Crocodile Dippy, Time Turner, Paper_Yoshi, Andymii, Shokora, Lord Bowser, Roserade, PowerKamek, DragonFreak, Tucayo, YKMR3000, Luigi 64DD)
<Pitohui>
REMOVE (DEFINITE): Lord Bowser
<Pitohui>
REMOVE (ONE FOR EACH ADDITION AFTER FIRST): Super Mario Bros., Time Turner, Crocodile Dippy, Walkazo, Stooben, Baby Luigi, Toadbert101, Paper_Yoshi
<Pitohui>
ADD: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Stargazing, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeeky, Parakoopa144
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<Pitohui>
I don't know who recalls, but we came up with a system for this one last year
<Mariofan169>
hello etc
<Pitohui>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/41000/
<Mariofan169>
what’s our discussion rn
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
community awards
<@Lakituthequick>
c2
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
retired shroom writer
<+Smasher>
c2
<Pitohui>
So it's basically cutting off older first as more people retire
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i definitely want to slice out dippy regardless
<Lord_Bowser>
damn am i getting cancelled
<+Smasher>
Anton{Politoed} C2 Favorite Retired 'Shroom Writer (Walkazo, Mr. Edo, Super Mario Bros., Stooben, Toadbert101, Baby Luigi, Crocodile Dippy, Time Turner, Paper_Yoshi, Andymii, Shokora, Lord Bowser, Roserade, PowerKamek, DragonFreak, Tucayo, YKMR3000, Luigi 64DD)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yes
<+Smasher>
Pitohui REMOVE (DEFINITE): Lord Bowser
<+Smasher>
Pitohui REMOVE (ONE FOR EACH ADDITION AFTER FIRST): Super Mario Bros., Time Turner, Crocodile Dippy, Walkazo, Stooben, Baby Luigi, Toadbert101, Paper_Yoshi
<+Smasher>
Pitohui ADD: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Stargazing, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeeky, Parakoopa144
<+Smasher>
goodbye lb
<@Lakituthequick>
you uncancelled yourself so we're cancelling you
<Mariofan169>
damn i have a real shot this year, not contributing anything for half a month
<+Smasher>
:scarymario:
<Mariofan169>
also, are there any plans tonight about origami king
<@Anton{Politoed}>
later
<Mariofan169>
because boy am i dreading that
<+Smasher>
later
<Mariofan169>
figured
<Pitohui>
So, I guess, to clarify, if we just add everyone who retired, we'd just get rid of everyone in my list
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but tl;dr no because the game comes out after polls close
<+Smasher>
oh that's right
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I don't think I want to add everyone who retired
<Mariofan169>
oh that’s convenient
<+Smasher>
next year, then
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and I also don't want to remove everyone from that remove list
<Pitohui>
Also, this doesn't include banned folks who aren't in good standing
<@turb>
i want to keep tb
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah 'm not for a full replace/remove
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think this is something where longevity and impact means something
<@Anton{Politoed}>
some of these people contributed a couple of sections and then vanished
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
offhand
<+Smasher>
i lasted three issues before life forced me off so im gonna say here that i dont care if im added
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and I'd rather not put them in over someone people actually would vote for
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd say mk, tpg, shoey, maybe mfan
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
to add
<+Smasher>
i agree with those fou
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also smasher i forgot you even wrote smashing reviews
<+Smasher>
r
<Mariofan169>
honestly i can live without being in this poll
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
sorry
<Mariofan169>
Oh
<Pitohui>
I do have an alternate list where I tried to take that into account, if it would help - little more subjective
<+Smasher>
it's ok
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
as for cutting
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd say imo
<+Smasher>
i wanted to last longer but it didn't work out
<+Rose>
I'd like to see that one @ pito
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
paper yoshi, dippy, stooben
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
not sure of the fourth
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that also works
<Pitohui>
But I'm okay with this plan because, really, I'd rather have done a pick and choose than the timeline
<+Smasher>
lb for the fourth
<+Rose>
You can cut me
<+Smasher>
since he's not canceled anymore
<+Rose>
I wrote like four sections maybe
<@Anton{Politoed}>
did star do any other sections than the critic corner one
<Zange>
i dont believe so?
<Pitohui>
No
<@turb>
not to my knowledge
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if so, I'd rather not have star in this
<+Smasher>
don't think so
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it was 2 sections and then literally disappeared
<Mariofan169>
if you can’t find a fourth remove i don’t really have to be added
<Mariofan169>
i forgot my exact number of write ups but it’s less than 10
<Pitohui>
My original suggestion list for first-level cuts was: REMOVE: Lord Bowser, Time Turner, Baby Luigi, DragonFreak, Shokora, Stooben, Crocodile Dippy, again, only cutting as it was needed to add
<Pitohui>
with no real order, there
<@Anton{Politoed}>
df is never coming back so I think she's a solid cut
<@Anton{Politoed}>
like I mean
<Pitohui>
Yeah, I personally lean towards DF, Stooben, Dippy, probably Shokora if we need the extra slot?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
she's removed herself from the community
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so I think her interest in being included in this would be incredibly low
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
makes sense to me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so with lb auto-removed, we're at 17
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Pitohui ADD: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Stargazing, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeeky, Parakoopa144
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i stand by cutting doof, stooben, and dippy at minimum
<@Anton{Politoed}>
taking that, minus star, we're at 25
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are we ok with this add list before we consider any further removals
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i don't think raregold or parakoopa need to be added
<Pitohui>
I think there's a case to not add Rare, as well
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
both barely existed as writers
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
didn't pk do a strategy wing section
<+Rose>
Didn't he write a bunch of Selling Out
<Pitohui>
He's self-admittedly moved on from the community, mostly
<@Anton{Politoed}>
or am I just confusing two people as one
<+Rose>
Or am I mistakenly
<+Rose>
*mistaken
<Pitohui>
PK did a SW
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<+Rose>
Nice Anton
<Pitohui>
That got moved to CC for, like, one edition before he left
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh no i forgot selling out
<+Smasher>
im ok with being on but im not pushing for myself because i didnt do enough
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i just remembered shroom recap
<+Rose>
Rare still chimes in from time to time though. How many sections did he write
<Pitohui>
This is the one award that's a little less straightforward
<@Anton{Politoed}>
unless raregold explicitly says that he does not want to be included, which is a valid thing to do regarding community award nominations, I think he's a fine add
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah i just forgot he did a lot of selling out
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's on me
<+Smasher>
also i support the doof, stooben, and dippy cuts
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I have 1 section from pk in cc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
how much was in sw
<+Smasher>
i do think selling out is enough to warrant a raregold add
<Pitohui>
I mean, I'm fine with him being added, otherwise I wouldn't have put him on the list - so it works for me
<Pitohui>
I'll check the SW Track Record real quick but he did a good few
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I remember it getting votes for ssotm as well?
<Pitohui>
he did 7
<Pitohui>
And yeah, it did
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh wow
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i thought he did like
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
3
<Pitohui>
I'd keep him
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ADD: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeeky, Parakoopa144
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is this ok
<@turb>
I'm fine with it
<Pitohui>
Looks fine to me
<Zange>
fine with me
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
sounds good
<+Smasher>
i'm fine with it
<@Lakituthequick>
MsRetroGeek without -y but otherwise yes, i agree
<Mariofan168>
wwwwelp
<Mariofan168>
sure
<+Rose>
Ye
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so we're at 25
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we need to remove 7
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Pitohui REMOVE (ONE FOR EACH ADDITION AFTER FIRST): Super Mario Bros., Time Turner, Crocodile Dippy, Walkazo, Stooben, Baby Luigi, Toadbert101, Paper_Yoshi
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that's 8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are we keeping tb
<+Smasher>
don't forget lb
<Pitohui>
Now, that's the timeline list
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i want to keep tb
<@turb>
I'd like to keep tb
<+Rose>
I disagree with the Tb cut, at the least
<@Anton{Politoed}>
lb was already counted
<+Smasher>
i want to keep tb as well
<+Smasher>
oh ok
<Zange>
keep tb
<Pitohui>
I can put my full alternate list in, which is more based on current relevancy, if you want
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we can at least see it, sure
<@turb>
i honestly cannot remember a single section any of the other people wrote no offense
<+Rose>
^
<@turb>
like i guess that's bias
<@Lakituthequick>
TB did quite a bit of FN so wouln't be opposed keeping him
<Pitohui>
Time Turner, DragonFreak, Shokora, Stooben, Crocodile Dippy, Paper_Yoshi, PowerKamek
<@turb>
but tb's retired section has stuck out to me for how consistently he did fake ads over a matter of years
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there's some validity in that as tb continues to have relevant activity in the community
<@Anton{Politoed}>
once someone is no longer here there's no active memory of them
<@Lakituthequick>
Walkazo wrote Little Mario, BLOF did some modding, otherwise no idea either
<Pitohui>
Yeah, this other list is basically "people who've moved on completely"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh yeah df
<@Anton{Politoed}>
alright so let me just grab what's left
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Walkazo, Mr. Edo, Super Mario Bros., Stooben, Toadbert101, Baby Luigi, Crocodile Dippy, Time Turner, Paper_Yoshi, Andymii, Shokora, Roserade, PowerKamek, DragonFreak, Tucayo, YKMR3000, Luigi 64DD,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so we can see it all
<@Anton{Politoed}>
out of that list, 7 need to be removed
<@Anton{Politoed}>
walkazo, smb, stoob, dippy, time turner, dragonfreak, paper_yoshi
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we can absolutely remove more, but that's the necessary amount
<Mariofan168>
andymii, stoob, df, ykmr, time turner, paper yoshi
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are there any objections to those 7
<Mariofan168>
~~and rose out of pure spite~~
<+Rose>
I'm happy with Anton's suggestion
<@turb>
no objections on my part
<Pitohui>
The only one I'd object to is SMB
<@Anton{Politoed}>
who would you suggest in his place
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i don't remember what ykmr3000 even wrote
<+Smasher>
smb is still around
<@turb>
smb is only vaguely around
<@turb>
i don't remember what either of them wrote
<@Lakituthequick>
calendar?
<@turb>
i don't have a strong opinion
<Pitohui>
PowerKamek?
<+Rose>
Is that who did calendar
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i remember smb for writing various special sections
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ykmr did a fake news section that fared well
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
OH right the game guy
<+Smasher>
i don't really remember much about powerkamek
<@turb>
powerkamek did reviews
<@Lakituthequick>
Oh, Fake Games, I remember that
<+Smasher>
was he the guy that wrote really short reviews
<+Rose>
I am still also an option for cutting if you'd like
<Pitohui>
SMB feels like someone who's not around but lasted so long as to still be notable
<+Smasher>
that won a bunch of fan votes for being positive mario reviews
<@Lakituthequick>
I do agree with the SMB point, but also won't defend him
<+Smasher>
id probably be more in favor of cutting pk than smb
<+Smasher>
but i wont fight for it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah smasher
<Zange>
i agree with smasher, yea
<@Anton{Politoed}>
for what it's worth, powerkamek received 0 votes last year for this award
<Mariofan168>
why walkazo, out of curiosity
<Mariofan168>
does it having something to do with wanting to give other nominees a chance at first place?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
smb got 1
<@Anton{Politoed}>
time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and also for what it's more worth, community awards tend to become polarized, so people will often get incredibly low amounts of votes, or none at all
<@Anton{Politoed}>
much more polarized than mario and fail
<@Lakituthequick>
13) Stooben - 1 - 1.54%
<@Lakituthequick>
13) Super Mario Bros. - 1 - 1.54%
<@Lakituthequick>
13) YKMR3000 - 1 - 1.54%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Paper_Yoshi - 0 - 0.00%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Powerkamek - 0 - 0.00%
<@Lakituthequick>
16) Time Turner - 0 - 0.00%
<@Lakituthequick>
(12 is dippy who is already on the chopping plank)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
walkazo, powerkamek, stoob, dippy, time turner, dragonfreak, paper_yoshi
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is my updated minimum list
<+Rose>
Gr8
<Pitohui>
I like that
<@turb>
no problems here
<@Lakituthequick>
yes
<Zange>
im fine with cutting all them
<+Smasher>
i'll support that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but I will acknowledge this
<@Anton{Politoed}>
walkazo is indeed a tough cut
<@Anton{Politoed}>
given the circumstances
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but time does move forward
<+Smasher>
yeah...
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's a good list for me
<+Smasher>
part of me feels bad but time moves on
<@Anton{Politoed}>
she did receive a good amount of votes, so if anyone would feel more comfortable if we went with someone else, we can address it again next year
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but it will have to be addressed eventually
<@Lakituthequick>
gee, it's been over four years already
<@Lakituthequick>
it's weird
<+Smasher>
i guess if we were to keep her i might pick one of the one vote people but i dont know
<@turb>
that would lead us back to smb or ykmr
<+Smasher>
yeah
<Pitohui>
I agree that it's hard, and I don't much like it myself, but I feel like there is a time factor that makes this a valid decision
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I would prefer to keep them
<@turb>
i don't really know how to word this but like
<@turb>
the write in box will always be present
<+Smasher>
as unfortunate as it is i do think its valid to cut walkazo at this point, even though i feel bad for it
<@turb>
she's not going to become ineligible for the award through our removing her, should people still want to write her in
<@Lakituthequick>
per
<+Rose>
That's my feeling too
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
pretty much
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if this is what we agree upon, then I will move on
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
this is something we have to do eventually
<Pitohui>
Per turb
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
might as well do it now
<Zange>
per everyone, honestly
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C3 Favorite Artist (Mr. Edo, Neptune, Toadbert101, Smg2daisy, Lakituthequick, Anton, The Pyro Guy, Fawfulthegreat64, GBAToad, Turboo, Koops, BBQ Turtle, Hooded Pitohui, Raregold, Doc von Schmeltwick)
<Pitohui>
REMOVE: Raregold, Hooded Pitohui, Neptune
<Pitohui>
ADD: ZelenPixel, Roserade, Magolor04726
<Pitohui>
ALTERNATIVES: Moldomré, Kenny.png
<Mariofan168>
is schmeltwick a newbie
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
wiki-focused
<@Lakituthequick>
complete changes of c2:
<@Lakituthequick>
Add: Raregold, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Marshal Dan Troop, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeek, Parakoopa144
<@Lakituthequick>
Remove: Lord Bowser, Walkazo, PowerKamek, Stooben, Crocodile Dippy, Time Turner, DragonFreak, Paper_Yoshi
<Pitohui>
That last group is people we could add, but there might be some questions on
<+Rose>
They have an art thread too though @ doc
<Pitohui>
Yeah, Doc has an art thread and has actively posted in it this cycle
<Pitohui>
The three removals have not actively made art this cycle as best I could tell
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this award is at 15, btw, for what that means
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the full remove/add would put us at 17
<Pitohui>
Moldo mainly does recolors and things, so idk if people count that
<@Lakituthequick>
doc von schmeltwick is not new
<+Smasher>
im fine with the removal and original add proposals
<Pitohui>
Kenny.png someone expressed concerns with to me earlier
<+Smasher>
doc has been around a while
<@Anton{Politoed}>
my only question is neptune
<@Lakituthequick>
neptune pops up every now and then these days
<@Lakituthequick>
declared his love of me on my profile the other day
<Pitohui>
About whether or not he counts because his art is on Twitter, but imo, he posts in the Discord and he has a dinstinct style
<+Smasher>
neptune's still vaguely active but does he still do art
<@Lakituthequick>
but no art indeed
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i haven't seen new neptune art in a long time
<+Smasher>
i like kenny's art if we're ok with discord users with twitter accounts
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think kenny counts as he's someone who's integrating into the community
<+Smasher>
i'd lean in favor of him
<@Lakituthequick>
Kenny is the M&L style drawings?
<@turb>
to play devil's advocate
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we've definitely had a lot of phenomenal artists pass by here but have not been considered for this award as they've essentially been drive-by advertisements
<@turb>
does he post outside of fan stuff
<Pitohui>
Yes, LTQ
<@turb>
i'm not opposed to him but i feel like i only ever see him drive by and post his art in there
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if we feel kenny has become part of the community, I will consider him
<@Lakituthequick>
Wouldn't necessarily oppose him
<+Rose>
He only ever posts his art in the discord from what I've seen
<Pitohui>
He only posts his art in Discord, yeah
<+Rose>
I don't think I've ever seen him have a conversation in any other channels
<+Rose>
Or venues
<@turb>
it's not so much the venue that he's doing it in, it's whether or not we consider him to be integrated into the community if all he does is plop his art in here
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm neutral on kenny
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
because - yeah
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's not like if, say, one of those people who regularly talks on disocrd is posting art all of a suden
<+Smasher>
as far as i can tell, he has posted outside of fan stuff
<+Smasher>
exactly once
<+Rose>
Nice
<@Lakituthequick>
all of kenny's posts bar one in april and may is twitter links of his art
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
then i'd say no
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's not the venue, it's the nature of the posts
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also as for people who are reading these logs, I'm well aware that the community award discussions do cast judgment on individuals who are real and here for the most part
<@Anton{Politoed}>
dialogue is open should you want to add anything
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
basically just drive-by art advertisements
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and decisions are not final until the polls go up
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it's excellent art! but it's not really /community/ artist
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I can see that
<+Smasher>
that's a fair point
<@turb>
C3 - Favorite Artist - This award recognizes some of the many artists in this community, each with unique talents, styles, and media.
<@turb>
so idk
<@turb>
could go either way
<@turb>
don't want to hold the line too far up if people want to add him
<+Rose>
I'm personally against his conclusion
<@Lakituthequick>
i'm iffy considering above
<Zange>
i personally wouldnt add him - at least not this year
<+Smasher>
ill switch to no based on the points made
<@Lakituthequick>
force him to do an awards presentation and then add him next year
if you haven't added any suggestions to here, now is the time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
once the meeting is over I will create the poll which will decide by next meeting what the nominees will be
<+Rose>
Wait actually hold on a sec
Lakituthequick grabs the table
<+Rose>
For C3, are we only considering visual art
<+Rose>
I assume yes but I just want to make certain
<@Anton{Politoed}>
historically no
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
historically no
<@Lakituthequick>
there was music on there once i believe
<Pitohui>
Yeah, we've had other forms in the past
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we've included s2d's music before
<Pitohui>
MeritC with music, iirc
<+Rose>
Well, Zange sang like three covers for awards last year
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
martini also had music
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
oh, that's a good point
<@Lakituthequick>
Zange is a good one
<Pitohui>
Oh, Zange is a good point
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd be down for adding her
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is this something zange would want beyond a C4 consideration instead
<+Rose>
Also
<Zange>
does this mean i get to make a music thread now /s
<@Lakituthequick>
Zange is right here so
<+Rose>
Oh no I lied
<+Rose>
Sorry I missed another name on the original ballot ignore me
<@Lakituthequick>
(Depends on if you want to share covers you did off-site as well re: thread)
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<Zange>
honestly if y'all wanna add me for c3, add me, i dont really mind either way
<@Lakituthequick>
but are you opposed to being on c3
<@Anton{Politoed}>
alright let's do it then
<+Rose>
Neat
<@Lakituthequick>
yes
<Pitohui>
Good call
<+Smasher>
ok yeah i support zange, forgot about that
<@turb>
:thumbsup:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is everyone doing C4
<+Rose>
It's a shame we missed our chance to add the guy that made that Super Sonic theme
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I've made it very convenient to look things up
<@Lakituthequick>
I threw my stuff on there
<Pitohui>
You all should do C4 because it's a blast reading these presentations again
<@Lakituthequick>
Expectation vs. reality marking the important things
<@turb>
basically all my suggestions off the top of my head were already shat in
<+Rose>
God it was so hard to choose
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C5 Wiki Contributor Award 2019 (2257, Alex95, Baby Luigi, BBQ Turtle, Doc von Schmeltwick, Glowsquid, L151, LuigiMaster123, Mario jc, Mister Wu, Bye Guy, TheFlameChomp, Time Turner, Toadette the Achiever, Wildgoosespeeder, LinkTheLefty, EDShoot, Yoshi the SSM)
<@Lakituthequick>
it's only just began ,you need to choose a bunch again
<Pitohui>
I don't have notes on these because we're waiting on input from Wiki Staff
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are there any nazis on this list
<@turb>
this is the part where i admit last week fucked me and i forgot to gear up a large discussion on this instead of sort of plopping it in the wiki discord and letting them know to drop opinions in
<Zange>
yeah anything i wouldve suggested already has been so
<@Lakituthequick>
shout out to Moe-Eye for good edit summaries
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
boy am i glad we found out about trig and killed him before all this started
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it woulda been super awkward had that happened later
<@turb>
when it's done i'll drop it straight in the awards staff board
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if C5 is not ready we can pick it back up by next meeting as a quickie alongside C4
<@Anton{Politoed}>
sounds gr8
<Pitohui>
Doomhiker and Moe-Eye are the only ones that spring to mind, but I think it's best to wait
<@turb>
aside from doomhiker being a proposed addition moe-eye and stuff - yeah
<@turb>
I know that several wiki staff have posts ready to make about this so it should be a really quick thing alongside c4 next week
<+Rose>
Shout-out to Doomhiker, what a good guy
<@turb>
as far as i know the only nazi was trig
<@turb>
and he died
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any nazi apologists
<Pitohui>
Started from the bottom stealing everyone's coins in KG and now he's here
<@Lakituthequick>
(I don't know the quality of Moe-Eye's actual edits plus they're not that frequent to take that with a grain of salt)
<@Lakituthequick>
(to = *so)
<+Rose>
Well
<Pitohui>
I don't know any of these people to be Nazi apologists off the top of my head
<@turb>
not as far as i can tell
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that's good
<+Rose>
Hold on
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
not from that list
<+Rose>
You can continue forward but I'm gonna check something
<Lord_Bowser>
can i just say its definitely a bruh moment that thats a question being unironically asked in this context
<Zange>
as far as im aware, no
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the next one requires intense and focused attention so we may need you
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C6 Favorite 'Shroom Team (Fake News, Fun Stuff, Palette Swap, Pipe Plaza, Critic Corner, Strategy Wing)
<@turb>
can we move this one to the forums
<@turb>
i don't think it'll be done tonight
<@Lakituthequick>
it's an amazing quote i'm unfortunatly not using
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think this one should just be moved to next meeting
<Pitohui>
I have no changes [s]unless someone's really angry at the lack of Spotlight representation and wants to change the whole award[/s]
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it'll take the whole time
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i have a change
<+Smasher>
i think we need to make at least 20 changes to this award
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
removing all the teams
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
because i'm going to delete all teams
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C7 Favorite 'Shroom Core Staff (MrConcreteDonkey, Yoshi876, FunkyK38, Superchao, Mr. Edo, 2257, Tucayo, Turboo, Anton, Meta Knight, Lord Bowser, LudwigVon, The Pyro Guy, Lakituthequick, Hooded Pitohui, Roserade, MsRetroGeek, Raregold)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
*laughs evilly*
<Pitohui>
REMOVE: Raregold, MsRetroGeeky, Tucayo
<@Lakituthequick>
making jokes about this award taking a long time takes more time than I expected it would
<Pitohui>
ADD: Doomhiker, Zange, Smasher
<@Anton{Politoed}>
this is another tough-to-remove-but-must-consider-time-and-relevancy award
<Pitohui>
CHANGE: LudwigVon => NinjaSquid
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i support pito's list
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that's a solid 1:1
<+Smasher>
i also support pito's list
<@turb>
as with every other year i don't remember what i actually did on the core staff
<Pitohui>
Most everyone else on there is still regularly around, as far as I know
<@turb>
i think i did some subdirector stuff
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i mostly remember you being my 2014 subdirector
<@turb>
if i'm ever needed for a remove you have my permission, but it's looking like we should be fine this year
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
becaus that was a real awkward time
<+Smasher>
i think you're good for this year turb
<@Lakituthequick>
i feared my wifi died
<@turb>
alright well
<@turb>
yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C8 Best 'Shroom Section Design (Ongoing Fan Projects (The Pyro Guy), New Articles (LudwigVon), Forum Update (MrConcreteDonkey), Community Report (LudwigVon), The 'Shroom Report (LudwigVon), DragonFreak's Review Quest (DragonFreak), Galactic Expedition (Meta Knight), Pokédex Power (Yoshi876), Dear Anton (Anton), Anniversary Announcements (Lakituthequick),
C8 - Best 'Shroom Section Design - This award aims to acknowledge the writers who put care into making their 'Shroom sections visually appealing and well-crafted, whether through imagery, design, or wiki coding.
<@turb>
i was dropping in a message to test before i saw that lol
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so basically this award is a section that just looks visually appealing
<Pitohui>
Gonna preamble that this one's complicated and these recs are based on current relevancy and age
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<Pitohui>
REMOVE: Ongoing Fan Projects (The Pyro Guy), New Articles (LudwigVon), Forum Update (MrConcreteDonkey), Community Report (LudwigVon), The 'Shroom Report (LudwigVon), DragonFreak's Review Quest (DragonFreak), Galactic Expedition (Meta Knight),
<Pitohui>
ADD: 'Shroom FM (MrConcreteDonkey), Koops, Your Emblem is on Fire (Mankoops), Drawn & Pressed (winstein), TV Tomorrow (Quizmelon)
Can I suggest a potential add to be Anagrams by BBQ Turtle, since she wiki codes Anagrams every time and it always looks great
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh that's something yeah
<+Smasher>
"wiki coding" is listed there
<+Smasher>
i support it
<@turb>
sure
<Pitohui>
I'd support it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so let's go with the removals first
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are there any disagreements or proposals
<+Rose>
I don't have either
<Pitohui>
I have none
<@Lakituthequick>
n
<+Smasher>
i'm fine with pitohui's list
<@turb>
all good here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that leaves us at 11
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
add+tentative add makes it 16
<+Rose>
Carmen Sandiego is another choice imo but I'm up in the air for it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
out of the alternatives I would like to consider hot pot reviews
<Pitohui>
Carmen Sandiego came up last year
<@Lakituthequick>
I've fought CS before and will fight it again
<Pitohui>
But the tables are wonky
<@Anton{Politoed}>
being someone who also writes a lot with a bunch of images, it can be difficult formatting it all to look functional
<Pitohui>
I can post my list of potential alternates, but, yes, Hot Pot Reviews is on there for consideration
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and zange regularly does it well, along with adequate outside sources as needed
<@turb>
hot pot reviews looks pretty good imo
<+Smasher>
i like hot pot reviews
<@turb>
i'd be opposed to carmen sandiego due to what we ran through with it the other year
<Pitohui>
ALTERNATIVES: Hot Pot Reviews (Zange), Rising Sun Reviews (Mariofan169), Hiding Koopa (NinjaSquid), Rising Sun Reviews (Hooded Pitohui), Peddler's Place (Coffee)
<Pitohui>
These were extras to consider and of them I'd be most supportive of Hot Pot
<+Rose>
My preference is Hot Pot
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
o'm down for hot pot
<+Smasher>
support hot pot
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that makes it 17
<+Rose>
Picross is an option
<Pitohui>
I'd support Picross, too, with Goombuigi's take
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
sure
<+Smasher>
ok
<@turb>
sounds good
<@Lakituthequick>
iffy on that he uploads the images directly to the wiki a week before release but it seems he does colours now so yes
That's not really relevant to Awards but i should know about it for later
<+Rose>
Oof
<+Rose>
I thought he was just sending the files to me this month
<+Smasher>
well,
<@Lakituthequick>
so i'm not again adding him, mind you
<@Lakituthequick>
just a side note
<+Rose>
We'll mention that to him lmao
<Pitohui>
Nah, that's no reason to take him off. That's 'Shroom-side discussion
<@Anton{Politoed}>
gr8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C9 Favorite Written 'Shroom Section of the Past Year (Anniversary Announcements (Lakituthequick), Selling Out (Raregold), Mach Speed Mayhem (Superchao), Anton's Half-Baked Reviews (Anton), Rising Sun Reviews (Mariofan169), 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui and Raregold), Hot Pot Reviews (Chibiki Daisy), Poll Committee Discussion (9th Poll Committee),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Interview (Superchao), Travel Guide (Koops), Shop Scout (Hooded Pitohui), Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight), Take Cover! (Tucayo), The 'Shroom Report (LudwigVon), Where in the Marioverse is Carmen Sandiego? (FunkyK38), Mario's Boombox (Hooded Pitohui), NIWA Spotlight (Alex95), Monthly Report (LudwigVon))
<Pitohui>
REMOVE: Selling Out (Raregold), Rising Sun Reviews (Mariofan169), Travel Guide (Koops), Shop Scout (Hooded Pitohui), Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight), Take Cover! (Tucayo), The 'Shroom Report (LudwigVon), NIWA Spotlight (Alex95), Monthly Report (LudwigVon)
<Pitohui>
ADD: Drawn & Pressed (winstein), World of Plight (Magolor04726), Smashing Reviews (Smasher), TV Tomorrow (Quizmelon),
<Pitohui>
TENTATIVE ADD: News Flush (Lord Bowser), SGoW's Declassified Mario Kart Wii Survival Guide (SGoW)
this has a hard "Past Year" which makes some decisions indisputable
<Pitohui>
QUESTION ADD: "Koops, Your Emblem is on Fire (Mankoops)"
<Pitohui>
Once again, Tentative are basically "will they hit a third issue"
<Pitohui>
Koops is "it's mostly video but there are significant written components"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is it safe to assume all the Removes are just not from the last year
<@turb>
what's the tentative change for re: third issue
<Pitohui>
Correct
<Pitohui>
Removes are not within the past awards cycle
<Pitohui>
That was mostly bookeeping for me, Turb, for thinking about the Dossier
<Pitohui>
It doesn't really impact the nominees eligibility
<+Smasher>
i'm undecided on koops but good with everything else
<@turb>
oic
<+Rose>
Koops' section does bring up an interesting dilemma
<+Rose>
Is it actually a written 'Shroom section
<Pitohui>
See, the definition mentions written as the bulk of the section, and, I'd call the video the bulk, but he does have significant written portions
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
hmmm
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd still say he's primarily video medium and wouldn't quality for this one
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
the written portions exist as a supplement
<@Lakituthequick>
^
<+Smasher>
i feel like im on perch's side here
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
put it another way, you can watch the video without the written part and still have it make sense, you can't read the written part without the video
<Pitohui>
I'd lean towards that take, too
<@turb>
yeah
<Zange>
i'd agree with that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I don't feel that it's neglected keeping it off this one as it's in C8
<+Smasher>
mhm
<Pitohui>
Wait, hold one, I spotted an error in my lists
<+Smasher>
:fear:
<Pitohui>
Dream Land Journal /should/ qualify for this cycle
<@turb>
yeah like it's a good section that has presence elsewhere, and when looking at this month's it's definitely mostly video
<Pitohui>
Had one edition squeeze into the start of this cycle
<@turb>
ehhhhh
<+Rose>
Ehhhhh
<@turb>
i'm n ot gonna kill anybody if it's on as a result but it's kind of weird to add it if it's there on primarily a technicality
<@turb>
since that would mean it's still been absent for almost a year
<+Smasher>
yeah idk if it was just one edition
<@Lakituthequick>
10) Meta Knight's Dream Land Journal (Meta Knight) - 1 - 1.72%
<@Lakituthequick>
for reference
<Pitohui>
I mean, I'm okay with that, I'm basically going for thoroughness by noting that
<+Smasher>
fair
<@Anton{Politoed}>
with it on, plus the solid Adds, minus the solid Removes, there's 14
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it won't do harm with it on
<@turb>
yeah, i'm pretty neutral on it being there
<@turb>
may as well slap it on instead of starting an argument if it qualifies
<+Smasher>
i dont have a strong opinion either way
<+Smasher>
if it technically qualifies there's certainly enough room for it so /shrug
<@Anton{Politoed}>
TENTATIVE ADD: News Flush (Lord Bowser), SGoW's Declassified Mario Kart Wii Survival Guide (SGoW)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are there reasons to not include these
<Pitohui>
No
<@Lakituthequick>
that was easy
<Pitohui>
Like I said to Turb, that was basically bookeeping for me, separating them out
<+Smasher>
nope when they qualify slap them in
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other considerations for C9
<Pitohui>
It's so I know who could potentially not have the usual three examples when I make the Dossier and start yelling at people to give me stuff
<@Lakituthequick>
question, why is TENTATIVE CHANGE: 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui and Raregold) => 'Shroom Recap (Hooded Pitohui)
<@Lakituthequick>
this tentative
<Pitohui>
Three issues, again, Dossier stuff
<@Lakituthequick>
okay
<Pitohui>
I have an odd system, I know
<@Lakituthequick>
nono, it's great
<+Smasher>
it's ok i'm an odd person
<+Rose>
We know
<+Smasher>
:bugs:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C10 Outstanding Community Achievement Award (Porplemontage, 2257, Walkazo, Turboo, Anton, Superchao, Smasher, Yoshi876, Tucayo, MrConcreteDonkey, Lord Bowser, GBAToad, Lakituthequick, Mr. Edo, Glowsquid, Meta Knight, LudwigVon, The Pyro Guy)
<Pitohui>
ADD: Roserade,
<Pitohui>
CHANGE: LudwigVon => Ninja Squid
<Pitohui>
I had REMOVE: GBAToad but
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
awkward question
<+Smasher>
yeah let's add rose
<Pitohui>
that was based on the length of accomplishments from last year's Dossier
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
do we know if edo still /wants/ to be on this award
<+Rose>
Pitohui don't underplay yourself you're nominated
<Pitohui>
and assuming that we were still stuck to 18
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I will ask him
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
also yeah we're adding pitohui
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
ok
<+Smasher>
ok good i was about to say let's add pitohui too
<Pitohui>
and I could /also/ see a case for removing Walkazo due to time, once again, but I'm not going to press for that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think walkazo's placement in this award has a bit of a different context, as it's community as a whole, not written sections
<@turb>
^
<+Smasher>
i agree
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah this one is more memorialization imo
<Pitohui>
Yeah, that's why I'm not as strong about it here as I was there
<@turb>
I'm personally fine with keeping on here until the end of time
<+Smasher>
in this case im a bit more partial to keeping her on'
<@Lakituthequick>
yeah, leave her on for the time being
<@turb>
keeping her on here*
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
my first pick for removal would be tucayo
<Zange>
wait did i miss a message, im confused now
<Pitohui>
The significance here is different
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
he hasn't done much in a long tim
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
*time
<@turb>
if there comes a time where we do end up removing her then that's something we can address then
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and has been largely inactive the past year and a half
<@turb>
but for this year, due to the context of the award, it's fine
<Pitohui>
Tucayo is a valid option for that reason, imo
<@Lakituthequick>
Zange: you probably were pinged because your name was in a shroom section moniee
<+Smasher>
yeah, id say tucayo is probably the best removal here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
edo stays
<+Smasher>
if we have to remove one
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
ok
<+Smasher>
ok cool
<@turb>
alright
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
in that cas i don't have a second pick offhand
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i just know i really think both rose and pitohui deserve it
<+Smasher>
i would want edo to stay if he wants to anyway so
<+Rose>
Aw shucks
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
because yeah i don't /want/ edo gone i just felt in his specific case he himself might not want to be on it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and since he does, that answers that for me
<Zange>
are we on c10 or?? we switched from talking sections to people and i think i missed the c10 nominees
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
c10
<@Lakituthequick>
yes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
[21:39] Anton{Politoed} C10 Outstanding Community Achievement Award (Porplemontage, 2257, Walkazo, Turboo, Anton, Superchao, Smasher, Yoshi876, Tucayo, MrConcreteDonkey, Lord Bowser, GBAToad, Lakituthequick, Mr. Edo, Glowsquid, Meta Knight, LudwigVon, The Pyro Guy)
<+Smasher>
we're adding pitohui and rose
<+Smasher>
we also might be removing tucayo due to largely being inactive
<Zange>
okay
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
ther'es 18 ont here to start with
<+Smasher>
idk if i really want anyone else out or not
<+Smasher>
is a cut needed
<Zange>
yeah that message never popped up for me in the first place, reason number i dont remember for me to already get a better computer
<@Lakituthequick>
i believe crowdsignal does more than 18 now so cutting is not 100% needed
<@turb>
we had a 20-nominee thing for c1 so yeah
<@Lakituthequick>
but we've managed to keep everything 18 and less so far even with that so
<@Lakituthequick>
do we
<@turb>
at least i think we did
<+Smasher>
we do
<@Lakituthequick>
I can't count
<+Smasher>
yeah in that case
<Pitohui>
That's a call for Anton, I suppose, but we did it for C1 - I made these lists under the 18 assumption, though
<@turb>
i'd still prefer to stick to the 18 in the majority of cases
<@turb>
but this award is something that could go either way imo
<+Smasher>
yeah
<@Lakituthequick>
C1: 17 + 10 - 8 = 19
<@turb>
oops
<+Smasher>
rip
<@turb>
it's still over 18 at least
<+Rose>
I personally believe that every other nominee here deserves to stay
<+Rose>
So I'm fine with it going over
<+Smasher>
i agree with rose, yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
whoops got sidetracked afk but here i am now
<Pitohui>
I'm in fair agreement with Rose
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm also fine
<+Smasher>
in this particular award, i think the extra nominee is valid
<@Lakituthequick>
oh i counted shoey as two removals it's actually 20
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i agree
<+Smasher>
and i dont really feel a strong reason to remove anyone other than tucayo
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
wow ltq really wanted shoey gone huh
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
smh
<Pitohui>
math
<+Smasher>
good job
<@Lakituthequick>
quick maffs
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
what's next ltq
<+Rose>
Let's remove Steve :yoshi:
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
arer you going to remove shoey from life itself?
<@Lakituthequick>
you
<@Anton{Politoed}>
honestly........................
<+Smasher>
Oh
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i mean, he basically just exists when i poke him to do things for me
<+Rose>
Oh No
<Zange>
uh oh
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so what are the proposed Adds
<+Smasher>
pitohui and rose
<Pitohui>
Steve exists - helpful when you need him, does keep the site running. We aren't Bulbagarden ad farms yet
<@Lakituthequick>
Rose and... yea
<@Anton{Politoed}>
how do we feel about doomhiker
<+Smasher>
oh that's a good idea actually
<+Rose>
Doomhiker was a thought of mine too
<@turb>
doomhiker's good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
he came out of nowhere and told off racists and nazis in discord and does stuff well on the wiki
<Zange>
i wouldnt be opposed to adding him
<+Smasher>
i'd support him as well
<Pitohui>
Doomhiker has stepped up a lot in a wide range of positions
<Pitohui>
I'd be okay with him
<+Rose>
And is Fake News leader so
<@Anton{Politoed}>
doomhiker is a hero for vocally not tolerating assholes and nazis
<+Smasher>
we love to see it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm ok with doomhiker
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm gonna put that in the dossier for him
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"will punch a nazi if the opportunity arises"
<+Rose>
Good
<+Smasher>
that'll boost us to 20 which im still fine with
<+Smasher>
'
<@Lakituthequick>
world's first: two awards over 18 in one meeting
<Pitohui>
"Takes disciplinary action against community members acting out of line with community values"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"instead of looking past it because the nazi didn't nazi it up directly in front of him"
<@turb>
god bless doomhiker
<+Smasher>
a wonderful man
<+Rose>
Eh, I dunno, I think we should get back down to 19 and cut Smasher :^)
Smasher sets rose on fire
<+Rose>
Oof ow
<@Lakituthequick>
so who are we removing if anyone
<nico>
doomhiker likes pdp so automatically he is a good person
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
just tucky, i think
<Pitohui>
I'm gonna learn Panel de Pon just for this tourney
<Zange>
doomhiker's a cool dude
<nico>
i believe in u pitohui
<+Rose>
Me too @ learning it
<+Rose>
Never played it before but now's the time
<+Smasher>
im so happy panel de pon is finally coming to america unaltered
<nico>
i might make tips n tricks if people are interested but thats for a later discussion
<+Smasher>
lip deserves it
<nico>
same smasher
<Pitohui>
Write for SW, Panel de Pon section
<+Smasher>
but yeah just remove tucayo
<+Rose>
I have replaced the candidate who I called a whore when I was ten, which caused my mom to nearly bar me from the boards
<+Rose>
Are you proud of me now mother
<@Lakituthequick>
looking at pitohui's amazing dossier tucayo is mostly shroom and the odd other thing so not opposed to removal
<+Smasher>
tucayo was great
<+Smasher>
he's just
<+Smasher>
not around much anymore
<@turb>
honestly like uh
<@turb>
re: removals
<@turb>
i'm not going to sign off on this officially as it's anton's call to make more than mine, but i think we can just leave this as is without removals unless there's a big pressure to do so for any of them
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that's pretty much how i feel
<@turb>
it's hard because pretty much everyone else on the award is either active or has specific circumstances for their presence on there
<+Smasher>
agreed
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
everyone else has some kind of existing community presence/is significant in a way
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
tucky is the only one who just
<@turb>
could always remove steve :^)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
doesn't exist anymore
<@turb>
i shouldn't vruet snowman that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we can keep tucky if we're already going over
<@Anton{Politoed}>
votes will decide
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but TBH FAM
<@Anton{Politoed}>
14) O. FireyYoshi - 1 - 1.61%
<Mariofan168>
porple is the deadbeat dad of the mariowiki
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
god that one made me laugh
<Mariofan168>
i say we remove him /s
<+Smasher>
who the fuck is that
<Pitohui>
Oh word, [s]guess we need to add him[/s]
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
a forum kiddie
<+Rose>
I'm exciting for the Yoshi the Nothing vote this time around
<Zange>
oh boy
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
who very obviously wrote himself in
<nico>
lol
<+Smasher>
outstanding move
<Pitohui>
Don't worry, anyways. I'm contractually bound to cover absolutely everyone who's ever written in The 'Shroom in Recap before I die. I'll get to everyone on this award Eventually (TM)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that requires you to write recap, though
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but with that, C4 and C5 will be taken care of on the forum
<@Anton{Politoed}>
otherwise community awards are done
<@Lakituthequick>
that'll take you fivehunderd years minimum
<Zange>
we did it team
<@turb>
hooray
<+Rose>
Wahoo
<@Lakituthequick>
neat
<Pitohui>
Well, LTQ, the contract is sealed
<Pitohui>
Anyhow, thanks for people putting up with my notes on Community Awards
are there any questions or concerns regarding any tournaments
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm coordinating scheduling somewhat but without tokens it's honestly mostly hands-off
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I've historically had a hand in moderating whatever big game there is, be it mafia, killing game
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if that continues sure
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I don't have to be a mod for the game itself but I do like to make sure that the games are fair and functional
<@Anton{Politoed}>
which includes a fair look at any criticisms I have had from previous games
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i.e.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
grouping up and covering for murderers with no built-in punishment
<+Rose>
I dunno Anton, I think we need to have a hearing involving the hosts and the players to decide that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
as the actual dr built-in punishment, being "everyone dies and the game ends"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
can't really be possible
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm not saying ban groups
<@Lakituthequick>
i believe the former was already tackled in kg4
<Lord_Bowser>
oh no that's never been in a thing in any kg ever
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm saying
<Lord_Bowser>
the mass kill rule i mean
<Pitohui>
That's the biggest issue. Rose and I have no shortage of criticism of last year's game, either ;)
<+Rose>
Yeah whoever created the balancing for that game had no idea what they were doing
<+Rose>
I want to give them a talking to
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that I believe there should be something done to at least disincentivize having your friend lie about their night results just so you can get a free get-away-with-murder and then brag about how intelligent you were to manipulate the game
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
from what i know
<@Anton{Politoed}>
whether it's outright banning it, or punishing it, or delivering debuffs, I don't care
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i don't wanna spill too much but gba is making active plans to discourage player alliances
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but I would like it not be an obvious loophole that has nothing done but to encourage its abuse
<@Anton{Politoed}>
great
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that's all I need
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
lb: i saw that once in a similarly-concepted (but more complicated) dr-as-forum-game adaptations
<+Rose>
Let's hope it doesn't get abused anyway 🙏
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i.e. having the mass kill rule
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
the game ended on d3 or so lol
<GBAToad>
its literally the key gimmick of this game if you read through my MO and the op of the thread that was created
<@Anton{Politoed}>
my ultimate goal is make the game remembered for being fun and immersive
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<Pitohui>
It'll be interesting to see, but I think that the NPC concept GBA has can help mitigate the problem
<+Smasher>
my ultimate goal if i play is to be remembered
<+Rose>
My ultimate goal is to play
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but yeah I can say that I haven't had a chance to look through all of the kg info yet
<GBAToad>
im not worried about teamups too much and am excited to unveil more about the game in due time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's a lot of words and thus far I've pretty much gone straight from work to bed to work to bed to ac meeting to bed to work
<GBAToad>
sucks
<Pitohui>
We unfortunately probably won't get to marry NPCs in GBA's game but their roles will be more versatile
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but if it's something there, i'm satisfied :bowser: :thumbup:
<+Rose>
I'm outta here I have Burgerville waiting for me upstairs, have a good night everyone 👋
<nico>
what do you need from hosts for planning/running a tournament anton
<GBAToad>
are you kidding pito i play fire emblem theres gonna be s supports
<nico>
schedules etc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
just a sensible plan that works, and a time frame
<nico>
ok
<nico>
is there a tournament deadline
<@Anton{Politoed}>
just so I can see where everyone plans to start it so it's spread out some
<nico>
like awards day
<@Anton{Politoed}>
"end of august"
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<GBAToad>
also yeah i acknowledge i just kinda went "is anyone gonna host this" "im hosting this" "fuck the church heres 30 paragraphs reason why"
<@turb>
i appreciate that this is round robin
<nico>
all right
<nico>
thanks i agree
<@Anton{Politoed}>
without there being tokens there's no real like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
hard deadline on my end
<@turb>
elimination panel de pon would suck
<nico>
elimination would suck for everyone i think
<nico>
yea
<nico>
okay anton
<@turb>
we should try out the game when it comes out to make sure the connection is stable
<nico>
thts good enough for me
<nico>
yea sure
<GBAToad>
so if you get the chance to read through the makeshift op then offer suggestions if you feel its necessary thatd be alright
<GBAToad>
still heavily in planning of course
<@Anton{Politoed}>
my other goals to hit for any largescale game is to try to avoid dumping heavy amount of work on players during presentation work times
<Pitohui>
I think the one thing I would throw out, GBA, is I'm not clear what the disincentive is, like why someone wouldn't just skirt around the NPCs and make a teamup murder plan anyways - what's being done to prevent that?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think historically that has been taken care of by having like a hiatus or constructing the game to taper down around then
<GBAToad>
because ill kick your ass and at this point any teamups are just going to outright fail in night actions
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but ultimately as long as I don't have presenters dropping because they have too many in-game obligations, anything is fine by me
<Pitohui>
To quote Anton, gr8 - that's mostly what I was wondering
<GBAToad>
any teamups that dont involve npcs who i can then control what is covered up exactly
<@Lakituthequick>
is this end of meeting btw
<GBAToad>
its all in the op anyway im tired and its only 12pm
<GBAToad>
good meeting that i wasnt part of
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if there's no more tournament talk i just have one more thing to say then yeah the end
<@Anton{Politoed}>
right now there's a few tournaments forming and no one really has set times so it's kinda free reign
<@Anton{Politoed}>
typical timeframe is June 1st to August 30th
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I do prefer more focus towards the end of june through mid-july, with things flowing cooly through to the ceremony
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but really, doesn't matter much
<GBAToad>
oh i specified early june since i need this tourney out of the way bythe time uni ramps up for me again
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah that's fine
<GBAToad>
i was actually thinking june 12th start assuming tpg and i get everything done
<GBAToad>
signups will be june 1
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's kinda up in the air when school is starting for anyone given that covid has kinda shat things up
<GBAToad>
fuck australia
<@Anton{Politoed}>
with some districts here saying they're just gonna start back up in july instead of end of august or early september due to time lost
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so, shrug
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we'll roll with it
<Pitohui>
TPG isn't here but good choice of co-host
<@Anton{Politoed}>
otherwise, next meeting we will be doing the complete review
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so be prepped and lubed for full-force pedantry, as that is what we want and need
<@Anton{Politoed}>
grammar, syntax, everything
<@Anton{Politoed}>
feel free to peruse the full list to catch any errors to share as we go through
<Pitohui>
Pedantry is my thing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I won't edit the document until next meeting even if I notice something just to keep things flowing