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Topic set by Anton{Politoed} (Mibbit@048-200-687-565.res.spectrum.com) on za, 17 apr 2021 01:10:22
Welcome to the Mario Wiki Anniversary official channel!
Channel created on do, 29 jan 2015 19:28:37
<@turb>
might get up and get a drink at the beginning real quick
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<@Anton{Politoed}>
hello hello hello
<@Anton{Politoed}>
time to pause my video on how to remove an octopuses ink sack so we can talk about things like polls and stuff
<@Anton{Politoed}>
exciting
<Lakituthequick>
hello
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<Power_Flotzo>
Hi
<Pitohui>
Hello, hello
<meowth>
💃
<Rose>
💃
<@Anton{Politoed}>
alright so a few things before we crack into the Fail Awards
<@Anton{Politoed}>
*Tournament topic
<@Anton{Politoed}>
*Discord
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*M24 Luigi’s Mansion Boss
<@Anton{Politoed}>
*Wario award, DK/Yoshi
<@Anton{Politoed}>
*New award ideas
<@Anton{Politoed}>
*Fail Awards
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<NinjaSquid>
hello
<Lakituthequick>
heh
<tpggaming2>
what now
<@Anton{Politoed}>
alright gr8
<NinjaSquid>
huh it's working this time lol
<@turb>
:clap:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43827/
<@Anton{Politoed}>
due to request, I created a tournament thread to help visualize what's going on
<@Anton{Politoed}>
currently it's kinda bare, so if anyone has a tournament they want me to throw in there, go ahead and give it to me now or post it in there
<@Anton{Politoed}>
otherwise if anyone has any other tips or tricks to include in that opening post, go right ahead and share as I'm not in a position to know what information is helpful as any tournament I tend to crank out is reviewed by, well, me
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think we could defiitely use something about the emphasis of being able to commit BEFORE you host
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<Honoka_Chaosaka>
so that we can at least try to avoid something like
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
"well i might do this tournament but i might have to abruptly cancel it midway, idk yet"
<@turb>
uniju are you putting minecraft games in the tournament thread
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
(kirbyo)
<Uniju>
i have put 0 thoguht whatsoever into mc games other than that there hasnt been any mc games for several years
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Lakituthequick: you're doing kg right
<Lakituthequick>
Yes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
mc games 2019 in 2021 :cashmoney:
<Lakituthequick>
I have more announcements soon
<Uniju>
however even if no one did any work whatsoever we would have more than enough functional games to run an mc games event(murderer, pl, spleef, shine, 22 is in the process of redoing hunger games i think, uh, sheep derby)
<Uniju>
idk what the other important people involved have been up to so i wouldnt want to announce something myself though
<Rose>
I briefly thought about the idea of having a FNF tournament but I never sorted out how it would actually function, so if I do figure it out At Some Point you have that to look forward to
<Pitohui>
Small thought. I know there's some examples on the Anniversary page, but it might be good to put some examples of past Tournaments (Smash, Pokemon, Minecraft Games, Mario Kart, Mafia/KG) in the OP of that thread, so some of the newer users have some ideas of what kind of tournaments they can think about running
<Power_Flotzo>
Desu (this)
<meowth>
i think that might be a good idea
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also just as general housekeeping, and not to cast light on or point fingers since that's not the tone
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's much easier for me to include information that people are talking about, such as links to things, if I have that information given
there's now a mario awards channel in the official discord server
<@Anton{Politoed}>
to be used for....things!
<meowth>
🎉
<@Anton{Politoed}>
steve made it after we said some stuff and that's about all I got
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it won't be used for meetings this year, although it is possible
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but my intention here is to use it for the chat party thing during the ceremony as well as advertise things from now until then
<meowth>
it is getting usage at least!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it can also serve as a point of contact between ac staff and other peeps, as well as tournament hosts and other peeps
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and just general discussion of polls and info
<@Anton{Politoed}>
have at it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
*M24 Luigi’s Mansion Boss
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43809/
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so, something was talked about M24 last meeting that I missed, but from what I'm getting is
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it was talked about being changed or removed
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and then it steered towards not doing that
<Pitohui>
That's where I am with it, and how it looks to me in general, yeah.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
not seeing any counterarguments against the "don't change anything or remove the award" so unless someone suddenly has something new to add that's how I'm going to conclude that thread
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but w8, there's more
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I want to remove it!
<meowth>
ultimately ive decided i don't feel strongly either way
<meowth>
oh!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
because of the other topic we have covering tonight
<@Anton{Politoed}>
*New award
<@Anton{Politoed}>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we've got quite a few new award ideas
<meowth>
ah, right
<@Anton{Politoed}>
with seemingly only M23 Favorite Capture getting the boot for an opening
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M24 Favorite Luigi's Mansion Boss could be another newly open slot should there be two new awards that are viable
<@Anton{Politoed}>
as for Mario Awards, there is:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Favorite Game Mechanic, a mirror of a current Fail Award
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Favorite Merchandise
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Favorite Shameless Cash-grab, name pending, but I'm personally feeling could be a fail variant
<@turb>
i think the committee is probably cynical enough for that but idk about the voterbase
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and Favorite Mario Party Board, a mirror of a Fail Award that was last seen in 2015
<NinjaSquid>
i like the favorite game mechanic idea
<Pitohui>
I agree Favorite Shameless Cash-grab is a good aware but as a *Fail* Award
<meowth>
i like mechanic and merchandise
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i think favorite merch and favorite mario party board would be my picks for mario
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
with shameless cash grab being flipped into fai
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we could also scrounge up a 3rd mario award to remove
<meowth>
i don't have any strong feelings about party board and i agree about cash grab working better as fail
<@Anton{Politoed}>
on a quick look there's no real weak links except for maybe favorite battle course
<Rose>
My preference as of what's established in thread is merch and mechanic
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I could check historical results to see if there's stagnation
<@turb>
i feel like battle course is kind of in a weird spot of relevancy
<@turb>
8 deluxe is still selling but clearly nintendo only cares about tour now
<Pitohui>
Yeah, I was going to say Favorite Battle Course feels a little weak
<Pitohui>
The top three have been fairly consistent and it's been years since we've had a new battle course
<@turb>
i don't have an opinion on mario party board either way but i would personally be like
<@turb>
in favor of killing battle course and adding that one
<meowth>
im going to be honest i completely forgot battle course was even an award
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd be okay with lopping out battle course for mario party board
<Pitohui>
(As a result of it being years since we had a non-gacha Mario Kart)
<@turb>
and figuring out a fail award to axe so we can put in cash grab
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
because yeah it's been a LONG time
<@_2257>
i dont think favorite battle course is relevant at all just because an old game is still selling honestly
<@turb>
possibly retooling missed opportunity so i don't feel like death
<@turb>
yeah i agree
<@_2257>
although im not sure mario party board is more relevant
<@turb>
it kind of is
<@turb>
super mario party just got online
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
mario party board might not be as relevant but it's also New
<Pitohui>
I think I'd be down for killing Capture and Battle Course for Merch and Mechanic
<@turb>
albeit its like the mario party with the least boards or something
<@Anton{Politoed}>
battle course results have been consistent its entire lifespan since 2017
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and yeah the angle isn't more relevant, but Different
<@_2257>
oh i forgot they updated smp lol
<@turb>
personally i would feel more comfortable with killing that one thn luigis mansion boss but also i would not cry especially if that one were gone
<@_2257>
weird thing for them to do
<meowth>
ok then yes, i support killing battle course
<@Anton{Politoed}>
although the future-sighted conservative in me wants to hold on to one of these new award ideas for down the road
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but that's just me being a hoarder
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so how about
<meowth>
i still feel not strongly about luigis mansion but if we were to just kill one more i think it's better than bc
<meowth>
though if we kill both it won't affect me much either
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll just highlight battle course on the full list as something to watch, and we can develop all of the new award ideas to completion
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and then just plug them in as we knock old ones off later with individual vote decisions
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
that works for me
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and then we can destroy as needed
<meowth>
sounds good to me
<BBQ-Turtle>
I still think it might be worth hanging on to Luigi's Mansion boss for this year as we would be adding in the write-in votes so that should shake things up a little, plus it's only run one year I think.
<Pitohui>
Per BBQ on Luigi's Mansion
<@turb>
yeah im fine with that
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd say mark both LM boss and battle course as first priority for elimination and we can discuss which to pull the triggers on when we have these awards better worked out
<@turb>
@ both bbq and anton's way of going through it incidentally
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
rather than definitely kill LM right now
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it has only been one year yeah
<@turb>
capture is definitely being axed right
<meowth>
i agree with perch
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but yeah, develop all new award ideas, then pit them against current awards to see what we want
<@turb>
so one of the award ideas is getting in no matter what
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah I'm just gonna say capture is gone
<meowth>
capture is ⚰
<@Anton{Politoed}>
no one has really voiced keeping it
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i have no problem with booking capture as definitely dead right now
<Pitohui>
Kill Capture
<meowth>
don't feel a need to keep that one any longer
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
lm has actual "we should keep this" support so
<NinjaSquid>
i wouldn't mind removing luigi's mansion boss
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
we don't need to kill it Right This Mknute
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
but capture has no support
<NinjaSquid>
but I agree with removing capture
<@Anton{Politoed}>
edo's idea here https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/#post-2270683 I would like to develop as a fail award rework, but I'll get to that later
edo's point here, while I can't personally verify, seems uncontested and thus valid
<@Anton{Politoed}>
for sake of public logging
<Pitohui>
I actually don't know I agree with the case made there
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'd like to know the commonality of the scenario where you get lots of write-ins like that, honestly
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
like, is that a regular thing for obscure awards?
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
becaus that changes my opinion but that's not info i have
<@Anton{Politoed}>
tl;dr wario instrumental music alone is weak and lacking participation and could be seen as a non-starter, and should instead be generalized as all music
<Rose>
I don't know if the write-ins are necessarily like that, but I do absolutely believe that Edo has a point about Wario music iconography
<Pitohui>
I feel like Wario as an Award in general - game/music/character whatever is just... going to draw less attention than other Awards because the Wario serie(s) do
<Rose>
Which is centered around lyrical songs mostly
<@turb>
i remember it happening sometimes
<@turb>
that people will just write in fucking whatever
<@turb>
for an award they don't know
<@turb>
instead of skipping
<@Anton{Politoed}>
with my proposal to solve that being making the dk/yoshi/wario awards just all their music instead of just instrumental, stripping the other ones down into just mario instrumental and mario lysical
<meowth>
smasher's dialup kong
<@turb>
albeit i will say that a lot of awards just get junk votes by virtue of them being on the very accessible main page
<@Anton{Politoed}>
then next year when we rotate dk/wario/yoshi again, all the songs go back home
<@turb>
even ones where theoretically everyone who goes on the wiki should know the options
<@Anton{Politoed}>
as it's edo's idea I feel like he can present it better than I
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so I'm not gonna try to render a decision on that RIGHT NOW, but I'd like to either by the end of the night or soon so we can generate nominees
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
for reference, that would leave 9 nominees on lyrical song
<BBQ-Turtle>
My only concern with doing that would be that there's the disruption from shifting things around, you'd struggle to be able to track the votes over the years I think, and it'd be harder to know what to chop for being a low-performing nominee.
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
of the current ones
<Pitohui>
Oh, so, like, next year we'd move the DK/Yoshi/Wario lyrical songs back to one combined Favorite Lyrical song when those three rotate, with your idea, Anton?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
an alternative is just leaving them in now as well
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but I'm personally not a big fan of overlap if it can be helped
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah the one thing i'm not going to support at all is overlap
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
either we have instrumental awards and an all-inclusive lyrical
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
or we have all-inclusive subseries and a mario lyrical
<Pitohui>
Yeah, overlap is best avoided here
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i refuse to support overlap
<@turb>
agree with that
<meowth>
one or the other
<Rose>
In this instance I'm actually okay with overlap but I seem to be of minority opinion so
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is there anyone who just flat doesn't support my resolution to this
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I feel we can address bbq's concerns as we come upon them
<@Anton{Politoed}>
9 nominees on lyrical song is something we can develop further
<@Anton{Politoed}>
or, honestly, leave, as the minimum is 5
<NinjaSquid>
i'm fine with that
<Pitohui>
I don't really think it's something that needs to be changed - I think the Wario Instumental Poll would be fine - but I don't oppose your resolution. It'd work.
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
same boat as pitohui
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i like how yoshi literally will not change one bit :hutaowobble:
<Rose>
Are you saying that the Yoshi singing from Yoshi's Story isn't lyrical
<Lakituthequick>
same concerns as bbq but not mortally opposed
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so we'll hammer this out on the forum then
<Lakituthequick>
though without overlap it's less disruptive
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if we do this, rather than creating wholeass new polls, I'm going to instead not do that because that's annoying
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and what we'd do is just merge the lyrical ones in, cutting off weaker and lower scoring instrumental awards as necessary
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah just import nomienees from lyrical and chop off the bottom of the instrumental poll results
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
until we all come to some kinda "ehhh this looks good" agreement
<meowth>
im fine either way with this one so yeah
<@turb>
seems fine
<@turb>
that reminds me i forgot to add the extra dk nominees to the full list
<@turb>
and yoshi
<@turb>
i brought that up but then it slipped my mind because i fell into a coma instantly or something
<@turb>
let me go get those
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll generate nominee lists Eventually, and then we'll go over how they look and change as necessary
<@Anton{Politoed}>
something hopefully to be complete by next meeting
<@Anton{Politoed}>
which I will not be in attendance for due to being at work
<@turb>
DK Extra Instrumental Nominee - Frantic Factory (Donkey Kong 64)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
put that in my notes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anyways before we start with Fail awards, are there any concerns about any of these other topics, or anything else to bring up?
<Pitohui>
I don't have any major comments or concerns at this point, no.
<meowth>
im ready to fail
<Lakituthequick>
i am already a failure
<Power_Flotzo>
No, nein, and nyet.
<meowth>
mood
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
none from me
<@turb>
The Riddle (Yoshi's Story), Special Area (Yoshi's Crafted World), Vs. Mega Baby Bowser (Yoshi's Woolly World)
<@turb>
im good now that thats off my back
<NinjaSquid>
nothing here
<Rose>
Oh wait can I mention Forest Interlude from DKC2 for DK Music real quick
Do we have any variant character from Tour to be mad about
<Pitohui>
I can't think of anyone from TOK people would/do particularly hate
<Lakituthequick>
I am yet to encounter a non-likable TOK character
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we need nintendo to make another shitty game so we can disrupt the worst character top 3 equilibrium
<Lakituthequick>
Heck, there are plenty of Toads but all have cute quips
<@turb>
forcibly remove pink gold peach to upset people
<meowth>
i don't think the costumes in tour are super cared about but i can't think of any that are super awful or anything
<Rose>
They didn't add Extra Noncanon Fuck You Baby Rosalina to the game yet?
<Pitohui>
Nobody in BF would be particularly hated, either
<BBQ-Turtle>
If anything, I'd guess people would be annoyed with Mario and Peach for getting so many each.
<meowth>
idk if i have any reason to change this award but im happy wario is very low
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we coooooooooooould fit peach on, but
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i don't think it's necessary
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and also I don't want to
<meowth>
ehhhh
<@turb>
i like peach so we shouldnt
<@turb>
qed
<meowth>
she's not high enough for me to want to
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i agree
<BBQ-Turtle>
No, neither do I, that's just the only thing I thought that might be slightly relevant to Tour.
<Pitohui>
Peach's votes don't strike maas high enough
<Pitohui>
*me as high enough
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so no changes
<meowth>
id probably support removing rosalina before adding her lol
<NinjaSquid>
can't think of anything else for this poll
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F2 Worst 2D Level (The Very Loooooong Cave (SMW2:YI), Tubular (SMW), World 8-3 (SMB), Endless World of Yoshis (SMW2:YI), World 9-7 (NSMBW), Lakitu's Wall (SMW2:YI), Mine Cart Madness (DKC), World 8-Bowser's Castle (SMB3), Stampede Sprint (DKC3), World 8-1 (SMB), World 4-2 (SMB2), World 7-8 (SMB3), The Big Board (WL4), Pendulum Castle (NSMBU),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Doodle Woods (WL4), World 7-4 (SMB), World 3-5 (SMB3), World 6-4 (SMB3))
<meowth>
but overall i don't want to do that either
<Lakituthequick>
16) World 7-8 (SMB3) - 19 - 1.37%
<Lakituthequick>
17) World 3-5 (SMB3) - 17 - 1.23%
<Lakituthequick>
18) World 6-4 (SMB3) - 13 - 0.94%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. World C-3 (SMB:TLL) - 9 - 0.65%
<Lakituthequick>
20) O. Fire Bar Sprint (NSLU) - 5 - 0.36%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Ludwig's Clockwork Castle (NSMBU) - 3 - 0.22%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Poochy Ain't Stupid (SMW2:YI) - 3 - 0.22%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. World 4-4 (NSMBW) - 3 - 0.22%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. World 8-4 (SMB) - 3 - 0.22%
<meowth>
i cannot tell you what a single one of these are except the poochy one
<Rose>
Wow, I'm genuinely surprised we don't already have Poochy Ain't Stupid on here from how much people talk about that level
<@turb>
whatever world c-3 is i think we should switch it out with 6-4 smb3
<Pitohui>
Hmm, World C-3 swap for World 6-4 seems viable
<meowth>
6-4 and c-3 are close enough where a swap is good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the fact that enough people knew what world c-3 smb:tll was to get that much votes says to me we should add it
<Lakituthequick>
I forgot if YI is on NSO
<Rose>
Isn't C-3 the stupid spring one with the wind
<NinjaSquid>
extra 5 from yoshi's island should be in there
<@Anton{Politoed}>
maybe even fire bar sprint, too
<Lakituthequick>
I should play it
<Pitohui>
(Did people rediscover the lost levels suddenly? Where did you people writing this in come from?)
<meowth>
yi has been on nso since the snes app launched yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Swap out "World 6-4 (SMB3)" for World C-3 (SMB:TLL)"? (y/n/a)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
y
<@turb>
y
<Rose>
Y
<NinjaSquid>
a
<Lakituthequick>
https://www.mariowiki.com/World_C-3
<meowth>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<BBQ-Turtle>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Rose>
Haha I was right
<meowth>
8-0-1
<meowth>
👏
<@_2257>
c-4 is worse honestly
<@_2257>
a
<NinjaSquid>
hang on
<NinjaSquid>
change a to y
<NinjaSquid>
6-4 from SMB3 isn't bad enough to be there
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
y
<meowth>
10-0-1
<Rose>
Part of me wonders if the SMB3 ones are so low because nobody can be assed to remember what numbers correspond to what levels in that game
<meowth>
:idfugit:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
valid
<Lakituthequick>
I'm glad they name things nowadays
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but some of the generic name world ones are placed high and scattered in the middle, too
<@Anton{Politoed}>
quite literally just the smb3 ones that tanked
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Swap out "World 3-5 (SMB3)" for "Fire Bar Sprint (NSLU)"? (y/n/a)
<NinjaSquid>
y
<Rose>
y
<Pitohui>
n
<meowth>
a
<BBQ-Turtle>
a
<Power_Flotzo>
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
a
<meowth>
viable but not as close as the other one so it's a shrug from me
<@_2257>
a
<Lakituthequick>
y
<@Anton{Politoed}>
y
<meowth>
4-1-5
<@turb>
y
<meowth>
5-1-5
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I think that's about it for this award otherwise
<Rose>
Brb gotta get my taquitos
<meowth>
i think ill change to y since i do think the change makes snes
<meowth>
sense
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F3 Worst 3D Level (Corona Mountain (SMS), The Toxic Waterfall/Lily Pad Ride (SMS), Pachinko Game (SMS), Stone Cyclone Galaxy (SMG2), Wing Mario Over the Rainbow/Over the Rainbows (SM64), Sling Pod Galaxy (SMG), Rolling Gizmo Galaxy (SMG), Boss Blitz Galaxy (SMG2), Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG), Bubble Breeze Galaxy (SMG), World 1-1 (SM3DL),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW), Fuzzy Time Mine (SM3DW), Champion's Road (SM3DW), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Luncheon Kingdom (SMO), Dark Side (SMO), Darker Side (SMO))
<Lakituthequick>
16) Bubble Breeze Galaxy (SMG) - 33 - 1.96%
<Lakituthequick>
17) Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW) - 25 - 1.48%
<Lakituthequick>
18) Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG) - 20 - 1.19%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Cloud Kingdom (SMO) - 5 - 0.30%
<Lakituthequick>
19) O. Rainbow Ride (SM64) - 5 - 0.30%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Battle Belt Galaxy (SMG2) - 3 - 0.18%
<Lakituthequick>
21) O. Loopdeeswoop Galaxy (SMG) - 3 - 0.18%
<Lakituthequick>
eh
<@turb>
eh
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I was all 38 luncheon kingdom votes
<meowth>
eh
<NinjaSquid>
anything bad in BF?
<@turb>
me too tbh
<@turb>
i think i voted for that and not even lik lily pad ride
<Pitohui>
I didn't think there was anything that bad in BF
<Lakituthequick>
BF is just one level unless you want to subdivide them
<meowth>
nothing really worth nominating
<Lakituthequick>
them = the named islands
<Pitohui>
Hopefully the existence of 3D All Stars does one good thing and shakes this Award up a little with a new generation picking up the older 3D titles
<Lakituthequick>
tl notes I haven't played BF
<meowth>
i don't think gold leaf is that bad and find both the 5 votes worse but i also dont have a strong opinion about switching it out
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I find it hard to argue for cloud kingdom as a bad 3d level on the same scale as ruined kingdom because like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it at least presented itself as just a boss level stage
<@Anton{Politoed}>
with no other potential
<NinjaSquid>
yeah
<meowth>
reasonable
<@turb>
yeah i agree with that
<@turb>
i never went into cloud kingdom thinking "hmm this would be a great real level"
<@turb>
it's just clouds
<@Anton{Politoed}>
meanwhile ruined kingdom absolutely set itself up for more, and then when it was just an unexplorable boss level it was like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh
<@turb>
ruined kingdom killed my family
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh........
<meowth>
if i were to pick between the writins rainbow ride is definitely worse
<Rose>
Taquitos acquired
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'll consider this a no change
<meowth>
however the gap isnt big enough for me to outright suggest a replacement
<meowth>
that's fine with me
<Rose>
:nochanges:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F4 Worst RPG Area (Bowser's Keep (SMRPG), Dry Dry Desert (PM), Flower Fields (PM), Twilight Trail (PM:TTYD), Merlee's Mansion (SPM), Sammer's Kingdom (SPM), The Overthere (SPM), Long Fall Falls (PM:SS), Sandshifter Ruins (PM:SS), Drybake Stadium (PM:SS), Teehee Valley (M&L:SS), Joke's End (M&L:SS), Oho Ocean (M&L:SS), Shroob Castle (M&L:PiT),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Toad Town (M&L:PiT), Dreamy Mount Pajamaja (M&L:DT), Violet Passage (PM:CS), Spooky Trails (M+RKB))
Buuuut... none of the locations in TOK are, uh, all that bad
<Rose>
Are any areas of TOK hated
<Pitohui>
They're all pretty solid
<Rose>
We could leave it to write ins
<meowth>
ill default to people who played tok because it probably should have nominees but i can't tell you what should be included
<Pitohui>
The only ones I could think that people might have reason to dislike are:
<Pitohui>
Great Sea if you didn't like the sailing gimmick for that portion of the game
<Lakituthequick>
I died in Ninja Attraction if anything and had to redo an entire fight
<Lakituthequick>
Which was annoying
<Pitohui>
Fire Vellumental Temple for lots and lots of fire
<Lakituthequick>
It does
<Pitohui>
And Ice Vellumental Temple for lots of sliding ice puzzles
<meowth>
there's not any nominees super low if we want to leave to write ins i guess?
<Rose>
Why is every ice area ever comprised of sliding ice puzzles
<Rose>
Are there no other good ideas
<Pitohui>
Not enough people appreciate ice and snow settings, Rose...
<Lakituthequick>
Can't judge anything from purple ribbon and onwards
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok so no changes again!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F5 Worst Level Concept (Ice levels, Water levels, Autoscrolling levels, Ghost Houses, Star Ball galaxies, Purple Coin levels, "Secret of _ levels" (SMS), Red Coin missions (SMS), Surfing galaxies, Automatic levels (SMM), Restrictively low timers, Checkpointless challenges, Cappyless/F.L.U.D.D.less missions)
<meowth>
i guess if tok has anything super hated we'll find out in a couple months
<Lakituthequick>
11) "Secret of _ levels" (SMS) - 74 - 3.97%
<Lakituthequick>
12) Ice levels - 54 - 2.90%
<Lakituthequick>
13) Red Coin missions (SMS) - 30 - 1.61%
<Lakituthequick>
14) O. "Refreshing" levels (SMM2) - 6 - 0.32%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Hot garbage levels (SMM/SMM2) - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
16th has 4 items
<Rose>
Lmao hot garbage levels
<meowth>
im glad it's just
<meowth>
hot garbage
<Rose>
When do we add Little Timmy levels to the poll
<@Anton{Politoed}>
mmmmmmmmmmmeh
<Pitohui>
So, a thought here, because we decide not to subdivide Lake Lapcat into levels, but there is one recurring mission on each island that's a little "eh"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
was there anything horrifying in new games
<Lakituthequick>
why is "levels" of that SMS one within the quotes
<Pitohui>
Namely, the Fury Blocks missions
<meowth>
the fury blocks missions were my least favorite ones too
<Pitohui>
https://www.mariowiki.com/Fury_Block
<@turb>
i think thats probably just a formatting error
<Pitohui>
They're on every island and irritating because you have to wait for Bowser to go into Fury Mode to do them (and also boring)
<meowth>
yeah i can get behind adding those
<@Anton{Politoed}>
formatting error fixed
<meowth>
it was a bit of a pain to wait for them
<Rose>
Don't they get extra infuriating after you get every other shine and there's still like five of those sitting around
<Lakituthequick>
:thumbup:
<Pitohui>
If we were to make them a nominee it might be worded as, like "Fury Block missions"
<meowth>
YEP
<NinjaSquid>
would the roshambo temples from CS be considered levels?
<Pitohui>
Yes Rose, they DO
<Pitohui>
Oh, that could be good, NS
<meowth>
thankfully i got them all asap once i found them
<Pitohui>
https://www.mariowiki.com/Roshambo_Temple
<meowth>
but they're still not great
<meowth>
i can't comment on tok
<Pitohui>
I'd call them levels, myself, NS
<meowth>
we're at 13 so i support just straight up adding fury blocks
<Pitohui>
(TOK didn't have anything that stuck out to me as fitting this Award, for the record)
<NinjaSquid>
if there's a level concept i dislike in CS, it's definitely roshambo temples
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Blast the Fury Blocks?
<NinjaSquid>
i dlslike the rng
<Pitohui>
Yeah, Anton
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Blast the Fury Blocks (SM3DW:BF)"? (y/n/a)
<@turb>
y
<Lakituthequick>
y
<Rose>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<NinjaSquid>
y
<BBQ-Turtle>
a
<Lakituthequick>
: => +
<meowth>
y
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
a
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<meowth>
7-0-2
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Add "Roshambo Temples (PM:CS)"? (y/n/a)
<@turb>
y
<Pitohui>
y
<Lakituthequick>
a
<NinjaSquid>
y
<Rose>
For a moment I was wondering what weird emoticon ltq had sent in chat
<Rose>
a
<meowth>
a
<Lakituthequick>
lol
<BBQ-Turtle>
a
<meowth>
3-0-5
<meowth>
3-0-4
<Power_Flotzo>
y
<meowth>
typo
<meowth>
4-0-4
<Lakituthequick>
not found, hahaha
<Lakituthequick>
comedy
<Rose>
:comedy:
<meowth>
:comedy:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
wii did it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any other considerations?
<Pitohui>
Not from me
<meowth>
im good
<NinjaSquid>
looks good
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<Rose>
"Shittily emulated levels (SM3DAS)"
<meowth>
:idfugit:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
sm3dass
<@_2257>
what does refreshing levels mean
<Rose>
Super Mario's 3D Ass
<meowth>
(i plan on nominating sm3das for something but not here)
<Lakituthequick>
"this existing level but now with this gimmick"?
<Power_Flotzo>
Enter and exit a pipe to refresh if you do something wrong, or something along those lines?
<meowth>
no idea what a refreshing level is
<Lakituthequick>
At least the Squid Sisters are fans
<meowth>
to be fair i mostly dropped maker 2 after finishing story mode
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F6 Worst Spin-off (Dr. Mario 64, Mario Pinball Land, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Party 9, Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Party Advance, Mario Party 10, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Mario Kart Arcade GP games, Super Mario Run, Game & Wario, Mario Kart Tour, Dr. Mario World)
<Lakituthequick>
12) Dr. Mario 64 - 29 - 1.58%
<Lakituthequick>
13) Mario Kart: Super Circuit - 27 - 1.47%
<Lakituthequick>
14) Mario Super Sluggers - 26 - 1.42%
<Lakituthequick>
15) O. Hotel Mario - 10 - 0.55%
<Lakituthequick>
16) O. Mario Party 8 - 3 - 0.16%
<Lakituthequick>
16) O. Super Paper Mario - 3 - 0.16%
<@Anton{Politoed}>
refreshing levels seem to be pointless ezpz levels that exist purely for aesthetics and 0 gameplay
<meowth>
ah
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<@_2257>
steange
<meowth>
please no add hotel mario
<meowth>
tok seems fine enough, was like, mk live super hated
<Lakituthequick>
add MP8 and SPM to spite HM
<@_2257>
i think we're in agreement that hotel mario doesn't really qualify
<Pitohui>
Do we consider Home Circuit for this one?
<meowth>
does anyone care about it at all
<@_2257>
and it didnt even get many votes
<Pitohui>
I haven't really heard anyone say anything about it positive or negative
<@turb>
home circuit kind of seems like you get whta you pay for
<@turb>
mario kart in your house
<meowth>
oh i know hotel mario isn't going to be added
<@_2257>
yeah i think home circuit is less hated and more just ignored
<@turb>
yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
mario kart? in my house?
<Rose>
More likely than you might think
<Pitohui>
It's more likely than you think
<Lakituthequick>
i know alex bought it but I don't think he ever said something about if afterwards
<Pitohui>
Gotterdammerung, Rose
<Rose>
Nice
<@turb>
truetrue
<Rose>
Ninja'd again
<meowth>
i feel like it probably doesn't qualify because i don't hear any hate for it, i just don't think anyone cared
That combined with the continued lack of Mario Karts inspired the thought
<Pitohui>
But, in fairness, there could be hated Tour courses
<@Anton{Politoed}>
edo's idea i'm not really seeing as something that would make for a current new fail award nominee, but rather a functional rework of Biggest Missed Opportunity into something that can be mentally conceived better
<meowth>
this award feels important to me but i can't tell you why
<@_2257>
yeah but we would have to play tour to know
<Pitohui>
But Tour is one of those rare ones I don't play
<Pitohui>
Oh, oh, I see, Anton
<@_2257>
and nobody should play tour
<Pitohui>
That makes sense
<meowth>
guess it's just because kart is pretty big
<Rose>
I agree with Anton yeah
<Gabumon>
id like to comment but i have to brb 5 min
<@Anton{Politoed}>
rather than just a dumping ground for shitty nintendo shits
<Lakituthequick>
I played Tour like, three times, two years ago
<meowth>
per anton
<@turb>
fuck current biggest missed opportunity
<Pitohui>
Gotcha, then. That seems reasonable.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
for the time being let's just crank on this award as if we were keeping it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
people hate cheese land now
<meowth>
ive played tour and i believe the consensus on tracks is "they exist!"
<@turb>
i do think we should still do the chees land swap
<Pitohui>
Cheese Land swap has my support
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Vote: Replace "Sky Garden" with "Cheese Land"? (y/n/a)
<meowth>
nothing particularly amazing or wrong about any of them
<@_2257>
a
<Rose>
y
<meowth>
a
<Pitohui>
(Sorry to SGoW)
<Pitohui>
y
<NinjaSquid>
y
<@turb>
y
<Power_Flotzo>
n
<BBQ-Turtle>
a
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
a
<Lakituthequick>
I can't believe I was hyped for Tour for the entire time it was just an announcement
<Lakituthequick>
a
<meowth>
what was wrong with this in mk8 again
<@turb>
idk people just dont like it
<Pitohui>
It just sucks
<Lakituthequick>
it's in 3D now
<@turb>
i have no opinion
<Rose>
I think the biggest issue is the ground
<Pitohui>
I can't even tell you why
<Lakituthequick>
But like, really revamped
<Pitohui>
It just does
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
ltq
<Lakituthequick>
It's also not cheese anymore
<@turb>
i want it changed because sky garden is alarmingly low compared to the next lowest
<meowth>
i remember it being one of the few gba tracks i actually liked
<Pitohui>
And SGoW and I debate this all the time
<Lakituthequick>
Just sand
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
your sins will NOT be forever
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
*forgiven
<Rose>
The holes you trick off of are really more of a hindrance
<Lakituthequick>
?
<meowth>
however i like sky garden more anyway
<meowth>
so
<meowth>
anyway 4-1-4
<Lakituthequick>
what did i do
<Rose>
The tour hype I assume
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anything more for this award?
<Pitohui>
I have nothing more here
<@turb>
none from me
<NinjaSquid>
nothing here
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
nop
<meowth>
honestly most annoying thing about tour tracks is i don't think anything new has returned since leaving
<meowth>
just different variants
<meowth>
anyway no
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F9 Worst Direction of Series (Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Paper Mario, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, New Super Mario Bros., Mario 3D games, WarioWare, Yoshi, Mario & Luigi, Dr. Mario, Mario Kart)
<Lakituthequick>
9) Yoshi - 53 - 2.99%
<Lakituthequick>
10) Mario Kart - 48 - 2.71%
<Lakituthequick>
11) Mario 3D games - 25 - 1.41%
<Lakituthequick>
12) O. Education titles - 4 - 0.23%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Mario & Sonic - 3 - 0.17%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Mario Golf - 3 - 0.17%
<Lakituthequick>
13) O. Mobile Games - 3 - 0.17%
<@turb>
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu mario kart really deserves to win this year
<@turb>
otherwise skip
<meowth>
i think this is fine as it is
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<Pitohui>
I have nothing to add to this one this year
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<Rose>
Skip
<meowth>
yeah mk deserves to be higher now
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
nothin' from me
<NinjaSquid>
can't think of anything for this one
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F10 Worst Game Mechanic (Dimensional Flipping (SPM), Star Bits (SMG & SMG2), Camera (3D Games), Vibes (SPP), Joystick twirling (MP1), Limited inventory (PM & PM:TTYD), Stickers/Battle Cards (PM:SS & PM:CS), Button mashing (MP1), Gyroscope/motion controls, Vehicles (MP9 & MP10), Extra life system, Chance minigames (Mario Party series),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Must use easy mode character in 4 player mode (NSMBUDX), Content requiring amiibo, Gacha, Boilerworks rafting (LM3))
<Lakituthequick>
14) Dimensional Flipping (SPM) - 25 - 1.33%
<Lakituthequick>
15) Vibes (SPP) - 20 - 1.06%
<Lakituthequick>
16) Star Bits (SMG & SMG2) - 19 - 1.01%
<Lakituthequick>
17) O. Jumping - 2 - 0.11%
<Lakituthequick>
18th is single-vote writeins
<Rose>
Lmao
<meowth>
JUMPING LOL
<@_2257>
jumping...
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i support making jumping a nominee
<Power_Flotzo>
Hahahh
<NinjaSquid>
jumping
<NinjaSquid>
wtf
<meowth>
im actually laughing that jumping got two votes for this
<Lakituthequick>
if it actually gets a high placement if we do that then ___
<NinjaSquid>
to whoever it was
<Lakituthequick>
i mean
<@_2257>
i dont think 2 votes indicates anythign we should seriously consider
<Pitohui>
Battle Rings from TOK
<Lakituthequick>
there is place
<Lakituthequick>
But also
<NinjaSquid>
if you don't like jumping, try Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
<Pitohui>
Er, actually
<Lakituthequick>
I ahve notes
<meowth>
we should absolutely not include jumping
<Lakituthequick>
Add: Ring battles (PM:TOK)
<meowth>
it's just hilarious
<Pitohui>
"Ring Sliding (Paper Mario: The Origami King)
<meowth>
yeah the ring battles probably should go here
<Pitohui>
That's one I feel should be a definite add
<meowth>
that's the biggest complaint ive heard about tok
<NinjaSquid>
agree with adding the ring battle system
<@Anton{Politoed}>
sure
<@Anton{Politoed}>
what should the name be
<Rose>
Ring battles I think
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
Ring Battle System (Paper Mario: The Origami King)
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
imo
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
or Ring Battles, yeah
<Pitohui>
Perch's name
<Lakituthequick>
gods the uppercase letters
<meowth>
Ring battle system (PM:TOK)
<Lakituthequick>
Better
<meowth>
i think this is consistent with the rest of the nominee namds
<meowth>
names
<Lakituthequick>
is there a way to distinquis them from boss battles
<Lakituthequick>
the boss ones are generally liked
<Pitohui>
The Boss ones are good
<Pitohui>
I don't know how you distinguish them easily, though
<Rose>
Regular ring battles (PM:TOK)
<BBQ-Turtle>
Enemy Ring Battles? (I don't entirely know, I haven't played the game)
<Rose>
Maybe
<@_2257>
non-boss battles lol
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<Pitohui>
Non-Boss Ring Battle System (PM:TOK)
<Rose>
Smasher what are you doing you've missed almost all of the meeting
<Pitohui>
Yeah, that works
<Rose>
I don't think we need the word system
<Rose>
Just battles suffices
<Smasher>
i am sorry meowth kept me from being online
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<@_2257>
are the boss battles actually mechanically different though or are they justthe same but better made
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
mechnically different
<Lakituthequick>
the former
<Rose>
They're completely different
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
the regular battles are line up enemies to attack them all at once
<@_2257>
weird
<Pitohui>
Yeah, you have to path to the boss
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
the boss battles involving arranging rings so you can follow a path
<Smasher>
(aka im on comp now for the last ten minutes)
<Smasher>
ok then yeah not boss battles then
<@Anton{Politoed}>
edo are you here
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<Gabumon>
yes
<Gabumon>
I cant comment on the ring thing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok since we're just kinda mulling over naming this nominee I'll slap something up
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and if people hate it then we can come back to it when we do the review
nobody will care about this award if we don't have the stuff on it that people know
<Lakituthequick>
also side note, each boss has its own extra mechanics added on top that require different strats for said pathing
<Gabumon>
and we'll get a bunch of joke votes
<Gabumon>
wait
<Gabumon>
wrong award
<Gabumon>
disregard what I said
<@Anton{Politoed}>
for the wario thing we're pretty much doing my solution to it that we talked about and I posted
<Gabumon>
ok
<Gabumon>
anyway, if you want to replace missed opportunity with this, I guess that's ok
<Gabumon>
I don't think it hits quite the same niche, but maybe you're just sick of missed opportunities' wobbliness
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yes
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah none of these are opportunties that nintendo missed
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
they know what they're doing.
<Gabumon>
also if anyone has any other suggestions for nominees, go ahead
<@turb>
i am very sick of missed opportunities
<Lakituthequick>
sick in general or making its nominiees work
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
hmm
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
would the decision to throttle things on NSO count separately from the subscription
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
like the very gradual rollotu of games
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
encouraging you to stick around and keep paying
<@_2257>
does unbelivably shitty joy con build quality count as a cash grab lol
<Rose>
Wow does LEGO Mario really say advertisements towards you
<Pitohui>
It'd probably be possible to take the "frequent takedowns [...]" nominee of Missed Opportunities and rework it into Cash-Grab, considering the goal of those takedowns is IP Protection/Knocking down fan competition
<Smasher>
missed opportunities, my favorite award to talk about every year
<Rose>
Yes 22
<Pitohui>
Joy-Con Drift should absolutely also be considered
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah some missed opportunities can certainly be reworked
<Gabumon>
lego added an update to lego mario that makes him call out for luigi
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'd also like to try to find a different name for this award, but
<@_2257>
yes lego mario says ads
<Rose>
Well that's not a cash grab re: takedowns is it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm not really opposed to it
<Gabumon>
and then they released a luigi set
<Rose>
That's just them being stupidly stingy with their ip
<Gabumon>
it's pretty gross emotional manipulation of children
<Rose>
Ew
<@_2257>
i thin 'favorite shameless cash grab' is a pretty funny name honestly
<Pitohui>
RE: Rose - I see it as one - it's taking down content that could complete with their content to (ostensibly) get more money by keeping people buying what they put out
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah it's definitely a kick
<Pitohui>
But that was more of a quick thought than "take this one to one"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'd like to brainstorm other possible names though
<Pitohui>
That'd be worked out depending on the Award name and nominee wording
<Gabumon>
what's wrong with the name
<Rose>
That's fair enough
<@Anton{Politoed}>
'shameless cash-grab' are words that kinda evoke a particular judgment already but it's also like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
warranted
<Gabumon>
yeah
<Gabumon>
it's warranted
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so I'd just like to see if something more """"""""""""""""professional""""""""""" is possible
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but it's likely that there isn't one that works as well
<Rose>
I think we can deserve to be fun once or twice
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I just want to see
<Gabumon>
I think it's not really that much different from something like worst direction of series
<Rose>
Nintendo takes down the MarioWiki because they don't like how we phrased the award
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we'd also have to come up with a definition for this, as well as the other new nominees really
<Gabumon>
there's already judgment in that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's hard to word what I mean
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
s like uhhhhhhhh
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if Most Disappointing Game was instead Most Hated Game
<@Anton{Politoed}>
different power behind the words
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but, again, warranted
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm just saying that we could see if there's another name, not that we need to change it
<Rose>
Most Offensive Cash-grab could work as an alternative if really needed
<@_2257>
i think most disappointing game WAS worst game
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
it was!
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
and that did indeed carry a specificpower
<@_2257>
we changed it because it was consistently dominated by hotel mario and stuff like that
<Gabumon>
tbh I'm not really in favor of professionalizing the name if it takes the bite out of it, like "least favorite questionable profit-oriented business decision"
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
which meant it was always - yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that's fine then
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm just like............just saying
<NinjaSquid>
Worst Marketing Strategy
<@_2257>
even though yoshi's island ds is a worse game than hotel mario
<@Anton{Politoed}>
options, options, options
<NinjaSquid>
or something along the line perhaps?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
nah it's fantastic marketing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
just soulless
<Rose>
Yeah
<@turb>
i feel like worst marketing strategy implies it was a failure yeah
<@turb>
on their part
<@_2257>
favorite evil corporate behavior
<NinjaSquid>
oh right yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ok anyways to wrap up
<@turb>
im personally fine with the cashgrab idea but yeah
<BBQ-Turtle>
Most anti-consumer practice?
<@turb>
stuff
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i kinda like bbq's
<@Anton{Politoed}>
on the forum we'll continue to further develop and finalize all new award options -Favorite Game Mechanic -Favorite Merchandise -Favorite Mario Party Board and this one
<NinjaSquid>
yeah same
<Lakituthequick>
man
<Pitohui>
BBQ has a good one
<Pitohui>
Anton, a question for you as we wrap-up
<Lakituthequick>
the vote with your wallet thing hasn't really caught on yet
<@_2257>
i want to keep the word favorite
<@_2257>
i think its very funny in an award like this
<@turb>
same
<@_2257>
anti-consumer is a good word though
<Lakituthequick>
but still as a fail award or
<BBQ-Turtle>
Favourite anti-consumer practice?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll also generate the dk/wario/yoshi and mario music nominees eventually
<@turb>
i like bbq's if we decide to professionalize it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and then we'll work on this f11 thing on the forum
<@Anton{Politoed}>
favorite implies it's enjoyed and appreciated
<@turb>
"favorite anti-consumer practice" is my favorite funny/depressing juxtaposed sentence
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's cheeky but to, like, the ~14 of us
<@turb>
yeah idk
<@Anton{Politoed}>
compared to upwards to a thousand unique voters
<@turb>
like i really enjoy the word in theory but i dont want people to get the wrong idea on the main page
<Gabumon>
sorry, it's a good suggestion, but I am against de-fanging the name
<Pitohui>
Looking ahead at the Community Awards and my notes for them, there's a few awards where our potential nominee least is in the mid to high 20s (and favorite artist has over 30 potential nominees). Am I good, looking ahead, to put some polls on the forum in advance of us getting to the community awards in a meeting so we can be whittling those down
<Pitohui>
sooner than later?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah
<Pitohui>
Cool, cool.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also for the record, I'm pro new f11 having fangs
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah i don't like the idea of calling it "favorite" because i feel like the sarcasm is going to be lost on the wider audience
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i am fang-neutral
<Pitohui>
Then I'll start compiling those this week (so I can put reference links in the threads for them, too)
<@turb>
i am fang-neutral leaning pro
<Pitohui>
I'm fang-neutral as well
<NinjaSquid>
tbh, i wonder if calling it "favorite" might be confusing for some
<Pitohui>
"Favorite" shouldn't be part of the name
<Gabumon>
the fangs arent about favorite vs not favorite, but cash-grab vs marketing
<@turb>
oh that
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
yeah i know
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i'm neutral on that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anything else before we close?
<Pitohui>
(fangs and the favorite discussion were two separate statements, from me)
<@turb>
my opinion is incidentally the same on that
<@turb>
neutral leaning pro
<@turb>
also i'm good
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
i got nothing
<Pitohui>
I have nothing else.
<Lakituthequick>
z
<Power_Flotzo>
Nothing
<NinjaSquid>
nothing here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
gr8888888, productive meeting, will likely wrap up fail awards quickly next meeting and begin Community should it be ready
<@Anton{Politoed}>
otherwise got some forum threads to finish off to fill in time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and should pitohui instead feel more comfortable waiting until the following week, we can certainly do that
<Uniju>
good job team
<Smasher>
sorry for disappearing at the end
<Pitohui>
It'll probably be ready by next meeting - I have most of my notes already. I've just been updating them as new sections have started/ended, people have posted art, etc.
<Smasher>
im fang-neutral btw
<Lakituthequick>
Uniju that felt like the janitor suddenly bursting into the board of directors
<Honoka_Chaosaka>
amazing
<Pitohui>
And with the last pre-poll 'Shroom issue coming out next Saturday that should mostly finalize a lot of the community awards notes I have
<Pitohui>
Everybody read the issue next Saturday
<Pitohui>
I'll try and get those polls up Monday
<@Anton{Politoed}>
uniju did you read my latest review https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_169/Critic_Corner#Anton's_Half-Baked_Reviews
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's the final cocoa one
<Uniju>
no i didnt
<Uniju>
i dont remember if i read the one before this
<Lakituthequick>
gods I hate Windows
<@Anton{Politoed}>
have a good night everyone, I'll try to work on everything between now and next meeting with my significant amount of overtime hours because everyone at work is quitting!