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Topic set by Anton{Politoed} (Mibbit@048-200-687-565.res.spectrum.com) on za, 17 apr 2021 01:10:22
the intent with this review is to be crushingly thorough
<@Anton{Politoed}>
to move through with haste, but not rush
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we're looking for errors of any sort, from incorrect names, typos, punctuation, capitalization, anything
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the goal is to complete all awards by the end of the night, so this may run over a little bit
<@Anton{Politoed}>
as this is an estimate of like 2.2 minutes per award
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so let's-a-go
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M1 Best Sound Design (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario 64, Super Mario World, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Super Paper Mario, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Mario Kart 8/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Super Mario Odyssey, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Luigi's Mansion 3, Paper Mario: The Origami King)
<NinjaSquid>
looks alright
<Pitohui>
I'm not seeing any issues here
<@turb>
does ltq have notes on these for potential changes
<@turb>
i think this one seems fine though
<@_2257>
should uh
<@Anton{Politoed}>
ltq is our review champion so I'll defer to him for most things
<Lakituthequick>
I do not have notes for this one no
<@_2257>
mk8 be changed to mk8d so it matches 3dw+bf etc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm not opposed
<@turb>
sure
<Smasher>
that one makes sense
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so just remove the entire "Mario Kart 8/" part and leave the other half after the / ?
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<@_2257>
i think so
<@_2257>
bye
<Smasher>
yeah, that work
<Smasher>
s
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<@_2257>
welcome
<Lakituthequick>
This would also apply to M2 and M30 then
<Smasher>
no one plays a wii u anymore anyway
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<Smasher>
that's alright with me i think
<@_2257>
yeah i mean i thihnk it should apply across the board
<@Anton{Politoed}>
changes reflected in M2 and M30
<@turb>
same
<@_2257>
or rather, some consistant principle for these should
<@_2257>
im not married to it being *this*, just as long as its something
<@Anton{Politoed}>
otherwise, M1 is complete?
<@_2257>
thats all i was going to say
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M2 Favorite Mario Kart Game (Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario Kart DS, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 7, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Mario Kart Tour, Mario Kart Arcade GP, Mario Kart Arcade GP 2, Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, Mario Kart Arcade GP VR, Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit)
<@turb>
skip
<Pitohui>
So, wait, if we're handling remakes/ports that way are we still leaving Bowser's Inside Story unchaged
<Pitohui>
*unchanged
<Pitohui>
As opposed to adding + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
<@_2257>
oh, that exists
<Lakituthequick>
For those I think the remakes are generally considered to be bad enough I think
<@_2257>
idk is there any reason to not add it
<Lakituthequick>
Not sure about the consensus
<Pitohui>
Not really, 22
<NinjaSquid>
I guess that go to Super Mario 64 as well
<@turb>
i'm fine either way
<NinjaSquid>
unless the music was unchanged
<@_2257>
i mean yeah the remake is one of the worst selling mario games ever i think
<Smasher>
i do think there's a difference in notability there, since mk8d outsold the original and is the best selling switch game iirc whereas the bis remake kind of
<Smasher>
tanked
<Smasher>
that said i don't have any strong feelings towards it
<@turb>
i honestly just think we should do whatever since i think people will be generally understanding of what is meant by the nominee names regardless
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if we changed in favorite platofmer sm64/sm64ds to just ds the nominee would tank
<@Anton{Politoed}>
platformer*
<@turb>
the newer releases like the deluxe versions seem more set on completely subsuming the existing releases
<@turb>
rather than sm64ds which is a sidegrade
<Smasher>
i think sm64 and ds are too different to leave the original out
<Pitohui>
Reasonable. Just wanted to bring that up since 22 brought up the MK8 change for consistency
<NinjaSquid>
oh that makes sense
<@turb>
and bowser jrs journey seems to literallyu only have uh the one mode as a real palpable difference
<Smasher>
as opposed to something like mk8dx which is just like, the same but with more
<@Anton{Politoed}>
gr888888
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M2 Favorite Mario Kart Game (Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario Kart DS, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 7, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Mario Kart Tour, Mario Kart Arcade GP, Mario Kart Arcade GP 2, Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, Mario Kart Arcade GP VR, Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit)
<@turb>
as before skip
<@turb>
no new mk games
<NinjaSquid>
skip
<Smasher>
anyway there's nothing else to do with m2
<Pitohui>
Yeah, nothing here to alter
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M3 Favorite Mario Platformer (Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario 3D Land, New Super Mario Bros. U/New Super Luigi U/New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury, Super Mario Odyssey, Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA), Super Mario Maker, Super Mario Maker 2)
<@turb>
also skip probably
<tpggaming6>
any way to shorten the nsmbu entry
<@_2257>
i think it could just be the 3rd part honestly
<@_2257>
dx includes both of the wii u games by default right
<@turb>
i think so
<NinjaSquid>
yeah
<tpggaming6>
ues
<tpggaming6>
yes
<Pitohui>
It does indeed
<@Anton{Politoed}>
change made
<Smasher>
that i think would be ok
<@Anton{Politoed}>
no other awards this affects
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M4 Favorite Mario Kart Course (Bowser's Castle (N64), Rainbow Road (3DS), Wario Colosseum, Waluigi Pinball, Airship Fortress, Mushroom Gorge, Coconut Mall, Maple Treeway, Electrodrome, N64 Rainbow Road (Wii U), Mount Wario, Animal Crossing, Baby Park, Big Blue, Koopa Cape, Neo Bowser City, Grumble Volcano, Rainbow Road (Wii))
<@_2257>
"n64 rainbow road (wii u)" sounds very weird but there might not be a better thing to call it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that is unfortunately the most accurate way
<tpggaming6>
you could replace the abbreviations with the game titles
<tpggaming6>
so like
<tpggaming6>
bowsers castle (MK64)
<tpggaming6>
rainbow road (MK7)
<tpggaming6>
n64 rainbow road (MK8)
<tpggaming6>
etc
<@Anton{Politoed}>
sure
<Pitohui>
Seems like a reasonable change. I'm seeing nothing else here, either.
<Lakituthequick>
ye
<@Anton{Politoed}>
change mirrored in F8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M5 Favorite DK Music Track (Aquatic Ambience (Donkey Kong Country), Stickerbrush Symphony (Donkey Kong Country 2), DK Island Swing (Donkey Kong Country), Fear Factory (Donkey Kong Country), Mining Melancholy (Donkey Kong Country 2), Gang-Plank Galleon (Donkey Kong Country), Homecoming Hijinxs (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Jammin' Jam (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze), Battle for Storm Hill (Donkey Kong Jungle Beat), Disco Train (Donkey Kong Country 2), Jungle Japes (Donkey Kong 64), Nuts and Bolts (Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! (SNES)), Punch Bowl/Bashmaster Battle (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze), DK Rap (Donkey Kong 64),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Eddie, Let Me Go Back To My Home (Donkey Kong Country cartoon), I'm Leo Luster (Donkey Kong Country cartoon), Frantic Factory (Donkey Kong 64), Forest Interlude (Donkey Kong Country 2))
<Lakituthequick>
4× Donkey Kong Country 2 => Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
<Lakituthequick>
Removed from M10 but not added here: Pirate's Scorn (Donkey Kong Country cartoon)
<@_2257>
ok i dont remember if we talked about this yet
<@_2257>
but i meant to when i nominated it
<@_2257>
"mining melancholy" is not an official name
<tpggaming6>
"(Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! (SNES))"
<@_2257>
but its overwhelmingly better known than the official name
<tpggaming6>
do we need the subtitle and the system
<@_2257>
whcih is uh, "life in the mines", i think?
<@_2257>
there's a long and uninteresting story behind that but i just want to ask, is it better to use the official name nobody knows or the fake name some people do know
<NinjaSquid>
isn't that the DKC1 music though
<@turb>
probably the fake name because i thought life in the mines was dkc1
<@turb>
i thought it would be kannons klaim if it had an official name
<@_2257>
maybe it is
<@turb>
also rose wanted to add uhh forest interlude o something i think
<@turb>
but i forgot the details beyond that
<@Anton{Politoed}>
award is at 18, no room for pirate's scorn
<@turb>
whatever music is in the haunted forest levels in dkc3
<@_2257>
i said "i think" because i didnt know the official name either
<@turb>
dkc2* not 3
<@_2257>
nobody does
<Pitohui>
Forest Interlude appears to be on there
<@turb>
oh really
<@turb>
ok that sgood
<tpggaming6>
in case it got scrolled up and missed
<tpggaming6>
"(Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! (SNES))"
<@_2257>
yes tog
<@_2257>
tpg
<@_2257>
the gba port had an all new soundtrack
<Pitohui>
Didn't the GBA versions have- yeah
<tpggaming6>
i think people can recognise the game from just the number, without the subtitle
<tpggaming6>
system i can understand keeping
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I would be up for having the official name next to the unofficial name
<@_2257>
with all the same track titles, for different music
<@Anton{Politoed}>
because if I had to choose I would defer to official
<@turb>
we should do it like toxic waterfall/lily pad ride
<tpggaming6>
but removing the Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! and Diddy Kong's Quest might improve readability
<@turb>
just as long as people find things readable
<@turb>
we can shorten it to dkc3 etc
<NinjaSquid>
i think the GBA versions doesn't have these subtitles
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if we shorten one we shorten them all
<tpggaming6>
thats what im saying
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and then do the same in M6 and M7
<@_2257>
ok the wiki does say it's kannon's klaim
<@_2257>
its not... cited though
<@_2257>
supposedly the gba version has a sound test with the official titles but i don thave that handy
<tpggaming6>
i dont think the wario or yoshi games have unnecessary subtitles in any of their games
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M5, 6, and 7 are kind of a package
<tpggaming6>
but i dont think there's anything much to shorten beyond "super mario world 2: yoshis island" to just "yoshis island"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the options are to shorten everything in M5, M6, and M7, or keep it as is
<Lakituthequick>
i don't see much reason to shorten things here myself
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there should be consistency between those ones
<tpggaming6>
what would you shorten the m7 game titles to
<tpggaming6>
m6*, sorry
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also all of these will be on individual lines in the polls, not paragraph form like here
<Pitohui>
I'm with LTQ. I don't see much need to shorten these here.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any shortening would likely be to abbreviations used in other awards, like WL4, WW:SM, etc.
<@Anton{Politoed}>
SMW2:YI
<tpggaming6>
oh thats too short
<tpggaming6>
shut it down
<tpggaming6>
keep it long
<tpggaming6>
no complaints Sir
<Lakituthequick>
too short?
<Lakituthequick>
we do this in plenty awards
<@_2257>
ok i checked
<@_2257>
it is in fact "kannon's klaim"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so what's changing
<@Anton{Politoed}>
mining melancholy is out, Kannon's Klaim/Life in the Mines is in?
<@_2257>
no, life in the mines was just my misremembering
<@_2257>
don't put that on
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oh ok
<@_2257>
kannon's klaim is the real title, mining melancholy is the fake title
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so Kannon's Klaim/Mining Melancholy
<@_2257>
yeah'
<@Anton{Politoed}>
complete
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anything else for M5?
<Lakituthequick>
just to confirm spmething
<Pitohui>
Nuts and Bolts (Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! (SNES) - we have SNES here but for none of the others
<Lakituthequick>
for F3 toxic waterfall is the official name ythen?
<tpggaming6>
thats cause the gba soundtrack for dck3 is different pitohui
<Pitohui>
Do they also need (SNES) appended, 22? Did they also chan-
<Pitohui>
Oh, gotcha
<tpggaming6>
so you gotta define the song by the system as well as the game
<Pitohui>
It was *just* DKC3 they did it for, yeah?
<NinjaSquid>
yeah, and it's the only one DKC3 in there lol
<@_2257>
yes, for dkc3 they changed every single track for the gba version to something totally different
<Pitohui>
Okay, cool, cool
<Pitohui>
That's a non-issue then
<Pitohui>
For some reason I thought they changed it on all of the remakes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
lily pad ride is official, so I will switch those places
no, the other gba remakes of dkc games had the same soundtrack, just horribly mangled by the gba's sound capability
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M6 Favorite Wario Music Track (The Toxic Landfill (Wario Land 4), Hurry Up!! (Wario Land 4), Carpaccio Battle (Wario: Master of Disguise), Allergia Gardens (Wario: Master of Disguise), Crescent Moon Village (Wario Land 4), Greenhorn Ruins (Wario World), Greenhorn Forest (Wario World), Stonecarving City (Wario Land: Shake It!),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Neon City (Wario Land: Shake It!), Count Cannoli Battle (Wario: Master of Disguise), Domino Row (Wario Land 4), Fiery Cavern (Wario Land 4), Tomorrow Hill (WarioWare: Smooth Moves), Body Rock (WarioWare: D.I.Y.), Ashley's Theme (WarioWare: Touched!), Mona Pizza's Song (WarioWare: Twisted!), Title Song (Wario Land 4), Karaoke (Medamayaki) (Wario Land 4))
<Lakituthequick>
Title Song (Wario Land 4) => Title song/Title/Title track (?)
<Lakituthequick>
Also a bit of trivia worth mentioning: "Part of the vocals used in the game's title track were taken from the first track of Zero-G's Vocal XTC audio sample compilation. The specific vocal lines in question are "Your time is over, I've had enough! Here I come! Look out, here I come!", sung by British session singer Helen Binding.[9][10]"
<@_2257>
although im starting to think, based on how many peopel have asked me questions about this, that the general public doesn't understand the dkc3 situation well enough to know what the annotation means anyway lol
<Lakituthequick>
that last bit is worth noting because it might quality as taking stock lyrics and slapping it on
<@Anton{Politoed}>
change made
<Pitohui>
Everything else here looks good as far as I can tell
<Lakituthequick>
*qualify
<@_2257>
yeah it is technically a lyrical song i guess
<@_2257>
i already cant remember, did we decide those had to go to vocal song instead
<Lakituthequick>
i'm really just noting it in case we want to go "well they just grapped some vocals and called it a day, lets remove it"
<Lakituthequick>
no strong opinions myself
<@_2257>
well ashley's theme etc appear to be on this so
<@_2257>
its probably fine
<Lakituthequick>
ashley's theme is an original song
<Pitohui>
The title theme being on here seems fine to me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M7 Favorite Yoshi Music Track (Athletic Theme (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Final Boss (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Castle/Fortress (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Underground (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Ending (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Flower Garden (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island),
<@_2257>
im not understanding how that's relevant
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Map (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Yo-Yo-Yoshi (Yoshi's Story), Fortress Boss (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island), Lava Scarves and Red-Hot Blarggs (Yoshi's Woolly World), Bandit Valley (Yoshi's New Island), Kamek's Last-Ditch Flyby (Yoshi's Woolly World), Knitty-Knotty Windmill Hill (Yoshi's Woolly World), Love is in the Air (Yoshi's Story),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Space (Yoshi's Crafted World), The Riddle (Yoshi's Story), Special Area (Yoshi's Crafted World), Vs. Mega Baby Bowser (Yoshi's Woolly World))
<@_2257>
the title theme is also an original song, it just has some stock lyrics
<Lakituthequick>
that's the thing i'm mentioning yeah
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<Perch>
hello
<Lakituthequick>
anyhow m7
<Lakituthequick>
I have no notes
<@turb>
m7 seems fine
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm gay
<Pitohui>
I'm not seeing anything here
<NinjaSquid>
hello perch!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M8 Favorite Art Style (Retro style sprites, Yoshi's Island style, Donkey Kong Country style, Main series 3D style, Paper Mario style, Mario & Luigi style, Wario Land: Shake It! style, Super Mario RPG style, Super Mario Strikers style, WarioWare style, 2D promotional artwork style, Super Mario-Kun style, Handcrafted Yoshi style,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Kinopio-kun monthly calendar wallpaper styles)
<tpggaming6>
ah finally
<NinjaSquid>
wasn't paper mario to be split?
<tpggaming6>
my purpose, my reason, my summoning
<Pitohui>
I believe TPG wanted to split Paper Mario into pre-SS and post-SS
On account of the artstyle change with the white outlines and such
<Pitohui>
Er, actually pre-CS and post-CS, I guess
<@Anton{Politoed}>
is there anything more than white outlines as the change
<NinjaSquid>
hmm, i'd say SS should go in modern as well
<tpggaming6>
i'll grab the reasons i posted a while back
<@_2257>
theres a lot different but honestly to me it just seems like the one style evolved over time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
in terms of paleontology and anthropology, I'm a lumper not a splitter
<@_2257>
not that there was a clear split at any point
<tpggaming6>
paper jam, sticker star, colour splash and origami king are more about the actual papercraft aesthetic whereas 64, ttyd, and super paper mario are more about abstract setpieces and texturework
<tpggaming6>
the aesthetic is distinctly different between the first three games (PM, TTYD, SPM) and the last few games (SS, CS, OK and Paper Jam), with SS being a sort of bridge between the two
<tpggaming6>
artyle differences between, for example, CS and TTYD are commonly cited when comparing the two games because like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
do you have visual support because I remain a lumper
the paper mario series did start to actually be paper staring from ss
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I can see that now, yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
next question is, is the distinction known enough in the fandom to matter
<Lakituthequick>
the ones before were just kinda "it's paper, trust us"
<@_2257>
well
<tpggaming6>
arlo, famous Awards Influencer, has a couple monologues about the difference in art style and why it means new games bad
<@_2257>
im still on the side of don't split it, but
<@_2257>
its actually a huge issue with fans
<Lakituthequick>
arlo is wrong
<Lakituthequick>
the new games are better
<tpggaming6>
something something "the classic games were MARIO STORY, the new games are PAPER MARIO"
<@Anton{Politoed}>
arlo can get fucked
<Pitohui>
People get really upset about the new games emphasizing paper so much
<@_2257>
arlo is the guy who hates hammer bros so fuck him
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so the effect of this split may result in classic getting an arlo boost
<Lakituthequick>
paper mario emphasasing paper? no way!
<Pitohui>
"the new games are better" The more time I spend thinking about TOK the more I agree with you, LTQ
<tpggaming6>
if the results are bad we can always merge them next year
<tpggaming6>
see what happens
<Smasher>
ugh sorry
<@turb>
i distrust youtube influencers
<@turb>
personally im really ambivalent on the split though
<@turb>
i think the art styles themselves are kind of distinct enough but at the same time like
<Perch>
same as tur
<@_2257>
honestly i still think the tok graphics are just a natural evolution of the pm1 graphics
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the split makes sense and it matters to voters, but
<@turb>
i guess to my brain i just see it as outlines and mostly background changes
<Perch>
it's straddling the order between like
<@Anton{Politoed}>
not voters I care should be heard
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so this is tough
<@turb>
natural evolution of pm1 graphics is a good description
<Pitohui>
I've gone back and forth but I'm leaning towards 22 saying its just an evolving artstyle
<Perch>
axctual Style Difference and simple six-game evolution
<Smasher>
i havent been able to get on here
<@_2257>
the biggest difference is just the characters being redesigned on the template of nsmb, and that applies to all mario games after like 2008
<@Anton{Politoed}>
putting aside the youtube influence
<Smasher>
and then chatzilla just fucking froze on me
<NinjaSquid>
i think i am leaning towards keeping them merge right now
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I do feel I'm erring on the side of it being an evolving interpretation of a paper aesthetic
<Shoey>
I don't see the need for splitting
<@Anton{Politoed}>
let's consult write-ins
<Perch>
i think a good example is that like
<Perch>
1 sec
<NinjaSquid>
evolving artstyle does makes sense
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there's no worthwhile write-ins
<Lakituthequick>
i find that the individucally animated parts of the second and third games are and odd step in this evolution
<@_2257>
i actually think the evolution of the paper mario artstyle is really interesting because if you look at the very oldest known development materials for pm1, it's not even paper at all
<Smasher>
i personally agree that it just feels like an evolving art style
<Lakituthequick>
what was up with those
<@_2257>
theyre just billobards with super mario world sprites on them
<@Anton{Politoed}>
should an outpouring of fans start writing in "paper mario but not when it's actually paper" then I'll throw support behind the split
<NinjaSquid>
take Mario & Luigi RPGs for example, with pre-3DS, post 3DS artstyle
bowser looks kinda different in 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy
<@_2257>
you can really see how the whole existence of pm:tok is a direct result of n64 hardware limitations
<Perch>
but i wouldn't call that grounds to split 3d game style
<@_2257>
its pretty funny
<@turb>
i'll agree with anton on this
<Perch>
it's just an evolution based on what the consoles were capable of
<Smasher>
im gonna vote to keep them together
<tpggaming6>
i think bowsers model in sm64 is just because nintendo weren't experienced in making models back then
<Smasher>
now to catch up on what i missed
<Lakituthequick>
i see the merit of distinction but am fairly neutral on spitting or not
<tpggaming6>
if you look at promotional artwork for n64 bowser he looks pretty much the same as modern bowser
<NinjaSquid>
I think maybe it's more of an improvement from a technological point of view. I think the producer of CS
<NinjaSquid>
had mentioned it regarding the Wii U techs
<@Anton{Politoed}>
yeah i will say too that I do see the merit
<@Anton{Politoed}>
just not there for it yet
<@Anton{Politoed}>
anything else for M8?
<@_2257>
also if by 'individually animated parts' you mean the fact that the characters were composd of multiple layered textures, i think it basically amounts to a space-saving measure
<Pitohui>
Not from me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
also this is like the 2nd big tpg idea we've knocked down in a row so I'll emphasize that this is a natural process of awards and I encourage it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
checks and balances
<@_2257>
although starting in color splash they actually did visibly change the animations to be more stop-motion
<tpggaming6>
speaking of big tpg ideas
<Perch>
what was the first
<tpggaming6>
that was the last one
<NinjaSquid>
yes she did
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M9 Favorite Add-on Content (The Legend of Zelda × Mario Kart 8, Animal Crossing × Mario Kart 8, Mercedes-Benz × Mario Kart 8, New Super Luigi U, Peach's Castle stage (SSB4), Super Mario Maker stage (SSB4), Super Mario Mash-Up Pack (Minecraft), Luigi's Balloon World (SMO), Yoshi's Island Zone (Sonic Lost World), e-Reader Levels (SMA4:SMB3),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Season Pass (M+RKB), Special Episode (CT:TT), Nintendo Labo VR (SMO), Piranha Plant (SSBU), Multiplayer Pack (LM3), A Legendary Update (version 2.0) (SMM2), World Maker Update (version 3.0) (SMM2), 1.8.0 Free Update (Animal Crossing: New Horizons))
i just wanted to bring up the m8 thing for this meeting, other than that im 'big tpg tired' and will go to bed
<tpggaming6>
you guys have fun
<Lakituthequick>
i was like "i have notes" but those were previously noted so nothing here
<@turb>
good luck tpg
<Pitohui>
Have a nice night, TPG
<Smasher>
have fun sleeping
<tpggaming6>
those apostrophes look sarcastic
<Smasher>
i have nothing for this
<NinjaSquid>
good night TPG
<@_2257>
actually
<tpggaming6>
sorry i didnt mean for it to come out like that
<tpggaming6>
more evidence of tired
<tpggaming6>
bye
<tpggaming6>
zzz
<NinjaSquid>
I've got nothing for M9
<Pitohui>
Yeah, I have nothing here
<@_2257>
have we ever considered changing e-reader levels to just e-reader content
<@_2257>
there was more than just levels
tpggaming6 has left (Quit: Connection closed)
<Pitohui>
Oh, that'd make sense, 22
<Smasher>
22 has a good point actually
<@Anton{Politoed}>
sure
<@_2257>
(the other content is items, switches and play demos btw)
<Smasher>
the levels are the things most people care about but theres no harm in including everything
<Perch>
i didn't think about it but
<Perch>
that's a good point
<Lakituthequick>
i wonder why i never complaine about the capital L here
<Lakituthequick>
huh
<Lakituthequick>
oh well
<Lakituthequick>
its gone no
<Lakituthequick>
w
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M10 Favorite Mario Lyrical Song (Break Free (Lead the Way) (Super Mario Odyssey), Do the Mario (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!), Jump Up, Super Star! (Super Mario Odyssey), The Mario Drawing Song (Flipnote Studio), Phantom of the Bwahpera (Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle), Intro (Super Mario World cartoon), Ignorance is Bliss (White Knuckle Scorin'),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Galantis ft. Charli XCX - WE ARE BORN TO PLAY (Super Nintendo World Japan promo), Plumber Rap (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!))
<Lakituthequick>
Plumber Rap => The Mario Rap
<@_2257>
dont have anything
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M11 Favorite Major Character (Mario, Luigi, Princess Peach, Yoshi, Wario, Donkey Kong, Bowser, Bowser Jr., Toad)
<Lakituthequick>
--
<@turb>
--?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M12 Favorite Supporting Character (Princess Daisy, Waluigi, Toadsworth, Diddy Kong, Professor E. Gadd, Toadette, Captain Toad, Birdo, Kamek, Poochy, Pauline, Cappy, King Boo, Nabbit, Rosalina)
M15 Favorite Mario Instrumental Track (Overworld Theme (Super Mario Bros.), Main Theme (Bob-omb Battlefield) (Super Mario 64), Steam Gardens (Super Mario Odyssey), Waluigi Pinball/Wario Stadium (Mario Kart DS), Delfino Plaza (Super Mario Sunshine), Gusty Garden Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy), The Grand Finale (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Buoy Base Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy), Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 64), Rawk Hawk Battle (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door), Staff Roll (Super Mario 64), Battle/Come on! (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga), Comet Observatory (Super Mario Galaxy), Dire, Dire Docks (Super Mario 64), The Ultimate Show (Super Paper Mario), Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 7),
<Smasher>
nothing to say (m14)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Disco Devil (Hole Punch) (Paper Mario: The Origami King), Thrills at Night (Paper Mario: The Origami King))
<Lakituthequick>
man tok music is good
<Lakituthequick>
everyone listen to it
<Lakituthequick>
no other notes
<Pitohui>
Vote Origami King in M15
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M16 Favorite Item (Tanooki Suit/Statue Leaf, Super Leaf, Super Star, Fire Flower, Mega Mushroom, Metal Cap, Wing Cap, Propeller Mushroom, Penguin Suit, Cloud Flower, Cape Feather, Gold Flower, Super Bell, Double Cherry, Mystery Mushroom, Hammer Suit, Master Sword (SMM2), Giga Bell)
<@_2257>
wait, why do i know you despise title case?
<Pitohui>
M16 looks good to me
<Lakituthequick>
i rant about it every so often
<Lakituthequick>
or mention it at least
<NinjaSquid>
nothing here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M17 Favorite Mario RPG (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Super Paper Mario, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Paper Mario: The Origami King)
<Smasher>
nothing catches my eye
<NinjaSquid>
skip
<@turb>
skip
<Pitohui>
This one looks good
<Lakituthequick>
-
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M18 Favorite Mario Party Game (Mario Party, Mario Party 2, Mario Party 3, Mario Party 4, Mario Party 5, Mario Party 6, Mario Party Advance, Mario Party 7, Mario Party DS, Mario Party 8, Mario Party 9, Mario Party: Island Tour, Mario Party 10, Mario Party: Star Rush, Mario Party: The Top 100, Super Mario Party)
<@turb>
also skip
<NinjaSquid>
nothing
<Smasher>
:words:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M19 Favorite Villain (Bowser, Kamek, King K. Rool, Dimentio, Bowser Jr., King Boo, Count Bleck, Cackletta, Fawful, Wart, Sir Grodus, Shadow Queen, Lord Crump, Captain Syrup, Shroobs, Koopa Bros., Koopalings, King Olly)
<NinjaSquid>
good
<Lakituthequick>
cool
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M20 Favorite Sports Game (Mario Tennis (N64), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Mario Power Tennis, Mario Superstar Baseball, Mario Strikers Charged, Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Mario Sports Mix, Super Mario Strikers, Mario Super Sluggers, Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games, Mario Tennis Open, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games, Mario Golf: World Tour,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Mario Sports Superstars, Mario Tennis Aces, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020)
<Pitohui>
Dimentio how have you stayed on here for so long
<Pitohui>
(M19 is good)
<Lakituthequick>
sportsball
<Lakituthequick>
(good)
<NinjaSquid>
skip
<@Anton{Politoed}>
dimentio landed 6th with 148 votes last year
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M21 Favorite Puzzle Game (Dr. Mario (series), Tetris Attack, Yoshi's Cookie, Wario's Woods, Mario's Picross, Yoshi, Donkey Kong (Game Boy)/Mario vs. Donkey Kong (GBA), Mario vs. Donkey Kong (2 and onwards), DK: King of Swing/DK: Jungle Climber, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition)
<Perch>
everyone's favorite edgelord
<@_2257>
i also can't fathom dimentio's popularity
<NinjaSquid>
good
<Lakituthequick>
dimentio is jesterface right
<NinjaSquid>
yeah, I dunno why Dimention is that popular
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M22 Favorite Mario Party Board (Castaway Bay (MP6), Faire Square (MP6), Kamek's Library (MPDS), Koopa's Tycoon Town (MP8), Magma Mine (MP9), Neon Heights (MP7), Pagoda Peak (MP7), Peach's Birthday Cake (MP), Waluigi's Island (MP3), Western Land (MP2), Shy Guy's Jungle Jam (MP4), King Bob-omb's Powderkeg Mine (SMP), Sweet Dream (MP5),
<@_2257>
yes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Shy Guy's Shuffle City (MP:IT), Whimsical Waters (MP10), Shy Guy's Perplex Express (MP8), Horror Land (MP2), Mario's Rainbow Castle (MP))
<@_2257>
hes the clown from spm
<NinjaSquid>
Dimentio*
<Lakituthequick>
boards are good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M23 Favorite Game Mechanic (Wario transformations (Wario Land series), F.L.U.D.D. (Super Mario Sunshine), Gravity (Super Mario Galaxy), Cappy/Captures (Super Mario Odyssey), Badges (Paper Mario series), Bros. Attacks (Mario & Luigi series), Kart customization (Mario Kart series), Elements (Luigi's Mansion), Poltergust (Luigi's Mansion series),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Gooigi (Luigi's Mansion 3), Egg mechanics (Yoshi series), Partners (Paper Mario series), Anti-gravity (Mario Kart 8), Timed hits/action commands (Mario RPG titles), Two racers (Mario Kart: Double Dash!!))
<Pitohui>
M22 looks good
<Lakituthequick>
i believe this one is okay
<Smasher>
was there any reason to include marios super picross on m21 now that its available on snes online actually
<Smasher>
or change mario's picross to series or something
<@turb>
oh
<@turb>
maybe we should change that yeah
<Lakituthequick>
i mean, it's called 'game'
<@turb>
i forogot there were several picrosses
<Smasher>
sorry i was in the middle of thinking about what i wanted to say for that one and it scrolled too fast
<Lakituthequick>
the few series are moe exceptions i think
<@turb>
yeah but dr mario is there as a series
<@turb>
idk
<Lakituthequick>
unless super picross is excellent, i haven't played it
<@turb>
i enjoyed it
<Lakituthequick>
not feeling strongly about either case, just noting it
<Smasher>
i've played about six hours of it
<Smasher>
it's picross, and it's good
<Shoey>
that's a lot of hours smasher
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the series exceptions are more because each game in those respective sets are basically the same
<Smasher>
havent finished it yet
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and it'd be silly to either focus on one or exclude one
<@Anton{Politoed}>
they're the fucking same
<Lakituthequick>
yes
<Lakituthequick>
my question would be does this apply to picross
<Smasher>
i also havent played mario's picross gb, but i can't imagine it's much different as it's picross
<@turb>
i remember them being roughly the same
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'll slap a (series) on it
<Smasher>
that would be my recommendation
<Smasher>
im looking at this and it's literally picross which is exactly what the super famicom one is
<Lakituthequick>
mario picross
<Lakituthequick>
it's picross
<Lakituthequick>
but mario
<Smasher>
now that theres more than one available worldwide, might as well
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M24 Favorite Merchandise (Club Nintendo Hanafuda or Mario Hanafuda, Monopoly Gamer or Super Mario Bros. Monopoly, LEGO Super Mario, Super Mario Chess, Super Mario Cereal, Super Mario Characters Figurine (2010 Platinum Elite Status Reward), UNO Super Mario, K'NEX figures, Furuta Chocolate Egg figurines, San-ei Super Mario plushies,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Jakks Pacific Super Mario Bros. Deluxe Bowser's Castle playset, amiibo, Original Soundtrack releases)
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so this one seems unfinished
<Pitohui>
https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43740/post-2275214 - I had words here
<@Anton{Politoed}>
decisions to make on the first few
<@Anton{Politoed}>
there was a thing about the jakks pacific yeah
<Pitohui>
Basically found out that there's multiple playsets now, like a Peach's Castle and an Underwater set
<Pitohui>
Along with a bunch of standalone figures
<Pitohui>
So I thought those could become:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i'm up for taking pitohui's suggestion whole-ass
<Pitohui>
-Jakks Pacific Playsets
<Pitohui>
-Jakks Pacific Super Mario figurines
<Smasher>
that makes a lot of sense to me
<@_2257>
yeah
<@Anton{Politoed}>
as for Club Nintendo Hanafuda or Mario Hanafuda, Monopoly Gamer or Super Mario Bros. Monopoly, it's a matter of which one is more relevant
<Pitohui>
(I bought my niece and nephews a Peach's Castle set last weekend, not coincidentally)
<Pitohui>
I'm pretty sure Super Mario Bros. Monopoly is more recent and better-known, on that front
<@Anton{Politoed}>
likewise with club nintendo hanafuda, but
<@Anton{Politoed}>
those were just north america, afaik?
<Shoey>
I mean i'd think you gotta keep super mario bros monopoly
<Shoey>
the club nintendo cards if theyre the one i'm thinking of were given out like 6 years ago
<Pitohui>
https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_Hanafuda - Mario hanafuda just had a re-release in Europe last year, it looks like
<@_2257>
i think it should just say mario hanafuda because that could generically mean any official hanafuda set with a mario theme
<@_2257>
club nintendo hanafuda doesn't imply mario
<Lakituthequick>
i'm inclined to per 22
<@turb>
i will also per that
<Perch>
i, too, per turb
<@Anton{Politoed}>
club nintendo has this, though https://www.mariowiki.com/File:CNH_Aug_2.png
<Lakituthequick>
'per' is such a silly word
<Pitohui>
...a compelling argument
<@Anton{Politoed}>
i guess the other one does have this https://www.mariowiki.com/File:MH_Jun_2.svg
<Pitohui>
(in seriousness, though, I agree with 22 here)
<@_2257>
my argument is more that i dont think people even know the official names and 'mario hanafuda' implies the correct thing more clearly
M25 Favorite 2D Mario Level (World 1-1 (SMB), Donut Plains 1 (SMW), Forest of Illusion 3 (SMW), World 1-2 (SMB), World 2-Pyramid (SMB3), Donut Secret House (SMW), Painted Swampland (NSMBU), Front Door (SMW), World 8-7 (NSMBW), World 4-1 (SMB3), Yoshi's Island 2 (SMW), World 5-3 (SMB3), World 2-3 (NSMB), World 1-1 (NSMB), World 8-4 (SMB))
<Lakituthequick>
-
<@_2257>
seems fine
<Pitohui>
Looks good
<Lakituthequick>
gods why did nintendo not start naming things until 10 years ago
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M26 Favorite 3D Mario Level (Toy Time Galaxy (SMG), Good Egg Galaxy (SMG), Gusty Garden Galaxy (SMG), Whomp's Fortress/Throwback Galaxy (SM64/SMG2), Cosmic Cove Galaxy (SMG2), Bob-omb Battlefield (SM64), Tick Tock Clock (SM64), Pinna Park (SMS), Sirena Beach (SMS), Delfino Plaza/Airstrip (SMS), Mount Must Dash (SM3DW), The Great Tower of Bowser Land (SM3DW),
i forget the 3d land and 3d world levels even have names
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M27 Favorite Boss Battle (Brobot (SPM), Rawk Hawk (PM:TTYD), Bowser in the Sky (SM64), Kaptain K. Rool 1 and 2 (DKC2), Super Dimentio (SPM), Elder Princess Shroob (M&L:PiT), Megaleg (SMG), General Guy (PM), Kingfin (SMG), Popple and Rookie (M&L:SS), Dark Bowser (M&L:BIS), Bowser/Meowser (SM3DW), Bowser (SMG), Mechawiggler (SMO), Bowser (SMO),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Shadow Queen (PM:TTYD), Fury Bowser (SM3DW+BF), King Olly (PM:TOK))
<Lakituthequick>
3d land doesn't
<Lakituthequick>
world does, thank god
<Smasher>
LOL
<Smasher>
shows how much i cared about 3d land
<Pitohui>
M27 looks good
<Smasher>
nothing to say here
<Lakituthequick>
we have no 3dl things on m26 so neither do we
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M28 Favorite Game Setting (Mushroom Kingdom (SMB), Mushroom Kingdom (PM), Super Mario RPG World, Dinosaur Land (SMW), Yoshi's Island (SMW2:YI), Isle Delfino (SMS), Beanbean Kingdom (M&L:SS), Rogueport & surrounding areas (PM:TTYD), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Donkey Kong Island (DKC), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Comet Observatory & galaxies (SMG),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT), Super Mario Odyssey World, Peach's Castle (SM64), The Last Resort (LM3), Lake Lapcat (SM3DW+BF), Mushroom Kingdom (PM:TOK))
<Lakituthequick>
lapcat is cute
<Lakituthequick>
no notes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M29 Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) (Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart 64, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Mario Sunshine, Wario Land 4,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA), Donkey Kong Country)
<NinjaSquid>
looks fine
<Lakituthequick>
^
<Smasher>
skip
<@Anton{Politoed}>
M30 Favorite Modern Game (Wii/DS and newer) (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario 3D Land, Super Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World/Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World, Super Mario Odyssey,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Luigi's Mansion 3, Super Mario Maker 2, Paper Mario: The Origami King, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, New Super Mario Bros. Wii)
F2 Worst 2D Level (The Very Loooooong Cave (SMW2:YI), Tubular (SMW), World 8-3 (SMB), Endless World of Yoshis (SMW2:YI), World 9-7 (NSMBW), Lakitu's Wall (SMW2:YI), Mine Cart Madness (DKC), World 8-Bowser's Castle (SMB3), Stampede Sprint (DKC3), World 8-1 (SMB), World 4-2 (SMB2), World 7-8 (SMB3), The Big Board (WL4), Pendulum Castle (NSMBU),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Doodle Woods (WL4), World 7-4 (SMB), World C-3 (SMB:TLL), Fire Bar Sprint (NSLU))
<Perch>
:partyhonk:
<@_2257>
cant believe rosalina is on there honestly
<Lakituthequick>
i'm glad this pinged me
<@_2257>
does she habve a big hatedom
<Shoey>
I think she does
<@_2257>
weird
<NinjaSquid>
really?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F3 Worst 3D Level (Corona Mountain (SMS), Lily Pad Ride/The Toxic Waterfall (SMS), Pachinko Game (SMS), Stone Cyclone Galaxy (SMG2), Wing Mario Over the Rainbow/Over the Rainbows (SM64), Sling Pod Galaxy (SMG), Rolling Gizmo Galaxy (SMG), Boss Blitz Galaxy (SMG2), Gold Leaf Galaxy (SMG), Bubble Breeze Galaxy (SMG), World 1-1 (SM3DL),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Broken Blue Bully Belt (SM3DW), Fuzzy Time Mine (SM3DW), Champion's Road (SM3DW), Grandmaster Galaxy (SMG2), Luncheon Kingdom (SMO), Dark Side (SMO), Darker Side (SMO))
<Smasher>
i saw ire for a while but not really much anymore
<Pitohui>
A lot of people came to dislike her for appearing in a bunch of spin-offs
<@Anton{Politoed}>
rosalina is consistently the lowest polling F1 nominee, so she could be removed soon
<Lakituthequick>
unforgettable luncheon go brrr
<@_2257>
wow are those people gonna be disappointed when they learn about every other mario character
<Smasher>
probably next year or two will toss her
<Smasher>
we'll
<Smasher>
anyway nothing to say in either of these
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F4 Worst RPG Area (Bowser's Keep (SMRPG), Dry Dry Desert (PM), Flower Fields (PM), Twilight Trail (PM:TTYD), Merlee's Mansion (SPM), Sammer's Kingdom (SPM), The Overthere (SPM), Long Fall Falls (PM:SS), Sandshifter Ruins (PM:SS), Drybake Stadium (PM:SS), Teehee Valley (M&L:SS), Joke's End (M&L:SS), Oho Ocean (M&L:SS), Shroob Castle (M&L:PiT),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
oad Town (M&L:PiT), Dreamy Mount Pajamaja (M&L:DT), Violet Passage (PM:CS), Spooky Trails (M+RKB))
<@Anton{Politoed}>
T*
<Lakituthequick>
pauline is the new rosalina
<NinjaSquid>
i like Pauline tbh
<Lakituthequick>
so do i, no worries there
<@_2257>
looks fine
<NinjaSquid>
F4 looks good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F5 Worst Level Concept (Ice levels, Water levels, Autoscrolling levels, Ghost Houses, Star Ball galaxies, Purple Coin levels, "Secret of _" levels (SMS), Red Coin missions (SMS), Surfing galaxies, Automatic levels (SMM), Restrictively low timers, Checkpointless challenges, Cappyless/F.L.U.D.D.less missions, Blast the Fury Blocks (SM3DW+BF),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Roshambo Temples (PM:CS))
<Lakituthequick>
we established the T in Roshambo is capitalised in-game right
<NinjaSquid>
yeah
<Lakituthequick>
alright
<Lakituthequick>
no other points
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F6 Worst Spin-off (Dr. Mario 64, Mario Pinball Land, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Mario Party 9, Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Party Advance, Mario Party 10, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Mario Kart Arcade GP games, Super Mario Run, Game & Wario, Mario Kart Tour, Dr. Mario World)
F8 Worst Mario Kart Course (Choco Mountain, Shy Guy Beach, Rainbow Road (SMK), Yoshi Falls, Grumble Volcano, Sherbet Land (MK64), Koopa Beach 2, Banshee Boardwalk, Maka Wuhu, Rosalina's Ice World, Rainbow Road (MKWii), Dolphin Shoals, Bone-Dry Dunes, Rainbow Road (MK64), Baby Park, Figure-8 Circuit, Rainbow Road (MK8), Cheese Land)
<Smasher>
don't vote for hammer bros everyone!
<Perch>
:hutaowobble:
<Shoey>
wait did we remember to add procupuffer?
<Lakituthequick>
i crave a new mario kart but nintendo just posted a new video about mk8d so :sad:
<@_2257>
...they did?
<Pitohui>
Sorry again SGOW but we're not removing Cheese Land. (F8 looks good)
<Lakituthequick>
yeah
<@_2257>
weird
<Lakituthequick>
nintendo minute in which they do things
<Lakituthequick>
i haven't actually clicked on it as nintendo minute sucks
<NinjaSquid>
it's funny to have Grumble Volcanos on both Favorite and Worst
<Lakituthequick>
those two are bad at gaming
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F9 Worst Direction of Series (Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Paper Mario, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, New Super Mario Bros., Mario 3D games, WarioWare, Yoshi, Mario & Luigi, Dr. Mario, Mario Kart)
<@_2257>
some things are divisive
<@_2257>
i think birdo is also like taht
<Smasher>
yep
<@_2257>
poor birdo
<Lakituthequick>
it happens
<Lakituthequick>
f9 good
<Smasher>
i like birdo and did not like grumble volcano
<Smasher>
im sure others are the opposite
<Shoey>
Grumble Volcano is okay
<NinjaSquid>
i like both
<Lakituthequick>
GV is cool
<Smasher>
and also that
<@_2257>
looks fine
<Lakituthequick>
:comedy:
<NinjaSquid>
Grumble Volcano is great in MK8
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F10 Worst Game Mechanic (Dimensional Flipping (SPM), Star Bits (SMG & SMG2), Camera (3D Games), Vibes (SPP), Joystick twirling (MP1), Limited inventory (PM & PM:TTYD), Stickers/Battle Cards (PM:SS & PM:CS), Button mashing (MP1), Gyroscope/motion controls, Vehicles (MP9 & MP10), Extra life system, Chance minigames (Mario Party series),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Must use easy mode character in 4 player mode (NSMBUDX), Content requiring amiibo, Gacha, Boilerworks rafting (LM3), Non-Boss Ring battles (PM:TOK))
<Lakituthequick>
Non-Boss Ring battle (PM:TOK) => Non-boss Ring battle (PM:TOK)
<Lakituthequick>
(and maybe the R too, I don't know if it's used officially)
<Lakituthequick>
anyone here who plays in english that can confirm that
<Pitohui>
Don't think it is, no
<@_2257>
having gacha on here feels like underselling how bad it is
<Lakituthequick>
alright so it is lowercase then
<@_2257>
hopfully the public is tasteful enough to cause it to win
<Pitohui>
They did last year, 22
<Shoey>
it won last year 22
<Shoey>
by a lot i think
<@_2257>
great
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F11 Most Shameless Business Decision (Mario Kart Tour/Dr. Mario World gacha, Limited-time availability of Super Mario 3D All-Stars, Nintendo Switch Online subscription, Artificial scarcity (NES/SNES mini, certain amiibo), Restricting availability of old games, Requiring YouTube creators to surrender a sizeable cut of their profits,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Adding advertisements to LEGO Mario voice lines, Refusing to fix issues causing Joy-Con drift at point of production, Frequent takedowns of fan content, Reselling older games at the price of modern releases)
<Lakituthequick>
imagine stealing money from preteens
<Lakituthequick>
read: their parents
<Lakituthequick>
i think this one is fine
<Pitohui>
As best I can tell, this one looks good
<@_2257>
seems ok
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F12 Worst Game Objective (Boshi race (SMRPG), Yoshi Eggs (SMA), Blue Coins (SMS), Rabbits (SM64DS), Flopside Pit of 100 Trials (SPM), Piccolo (SPM), Duel of 100 (SPM), World 9 (NSMBW), One million Coins (NSMB2), Green Stars (SMG2), Completing every level with every character (SM3DW), Chasing General White (PM:TTYD), Super Expert Mode (SMM),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Beach Volleyball (SMO), Jump-Rope Challenge (SMO), Purple Coins (SMG1 & SMG2), 9,999,999 Coins (NSMB2), Collecting all 999 Power Moons (SMO))
<@_2257>
i think i would cut the word "all" from the last one
<Lakituthequick>
good one
<@_2257>
it implies that 999 power moons are a set of 999 specific things
<@_2257>
but itsa ctually just a counter you fill up
<@_2257>
there are actually like 882 power moons or something, and you just recollect some of them to get all the way to 999
<Lakituthequick>
the shopping ones
<@_2257>
yes
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F13 Worst Remake (Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Advance, Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2, Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Luigi's Mansion (3DS), Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey, New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS, Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition)
<Shoey>
Can I real quick I know we missed the award but suggest cutting fangs for porcupuffer on the worst enemy award
<Smasher>
yeah cut the word all
<@Anton{Politoed}>
porcupuffer got exactly 1 vote last year
<Smasher>
we would have room for porcupuffer without needing to cut if we want to do that but i dunno
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and I think ever
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm not adding it, executive decision
<Smasher>
rip
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the 'don't vote for hammer bros' peeps need to pick a different target than porcupuffer
<@_2257>
still think the presence of smas on this award is bizarre
<@_2257>
but i gues people hate it sdo :shrug:
<@Anton{Politoed}>
or else it'll be like voting for the green party in a general election
<@_2257>
can we add arlo to the award
<@Anton{Politoed}>
we can add not DMCAing him to F11
<Smasher>
scary
<Lakituthequick>
the puppet is cute
<Lakituthequick>
that's about it though
<@_2257>
you cant forgive arlo just because you like his fursona
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F14 Worst Setting (Subcon (SMB2), Starship Mario & galaxies (SMG2), Mushroom Kingdom (SM3DL), Sprixie Kingdom (SM3DW), Flipside/Flopside & dimensions (SPM), Mushroom Kingdom (M&L:PiT), Pi'illo Island (M&L:DT), Party Cube (MP4), Star Carnival (MP8), Shroom City (MPA), Party Islands (MP:IT), Egg Island (YNI), Transformed Wario Castle (WW),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
DK Isles/Crocodile Isle (DK64), The Fun Fair & surrounding areas (MPL), Mushroom Kingdom (PM:SS))
<Lakituthequick>
i'm not
<Shoey>
I like arlo
<Pitohui>
F14 looks good
<Lakituthequick>
-
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it's just cookie monster on a diet
<@Anton{Politoed}>
shameful
<@_2257>
looks ok
<@Anton{Politoed}>
F15 Most Disappointing Game (New Super Mario Bros. 2, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Yoshi's New Island, Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games, Mario Party 10, Super Paper Mario, Mario Party 9, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition, Mario Party: Island Tour, Super Mario Sunshine,
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS, Yoshi's Crafted World, Super Mario Party, Mario Kart Tour, Mario Party: The Top 100, Super Mario 3D All-Stars)
Okay, I've gotten a few concerns on this one regarding Koops vs Magolor04726
<@Anton{Politoed}>
did something happen
<Shoey>
koops hasn't written since october
<Lakituthequick>
what happen
<Pitohui>
Magolor got 3rd last year
<@Anton{Politoed}>
sure
<Lakituthequick>
ah i see
<Shoey>
he's won half of the sotm's in his team
<NinjaSquid>
Koops hasn't wrote for the 'shroom in the last eight months
<Lakituthequick>
that makes an easy swap
<Shoey>
and he's written every issue this year
<Pitohui>
Koops is strictly speaking still active (he and I worked out a deal for a brief break while staying on as a writer on account of some things he had going on) but Magolor has a strong case
<@_2257>
makes sense
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the way this was presented for a moment I was thinking oh shit do we need to #cancelkoops
<Pitohui>
Oh thank goodness no
<Pitohui>
Koops is a good guy
<NinjaSquid>
:worry:
<Shoey>
yes we need to cancel koops but only from this award :P he's fine everywhere else
<NinjaSquid>
Koops is a sweet guy!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C2 Favorite Retired 'Shroom Writer (Mr. Edo, Super Mario Bros., Toadbert101, Andymii, Shokora, Tucayo, YKMR3000, Luigi 64DD, Smasher, Meta Knight, The Pyro Guy, Mariofan169, MsRetroGeek, Parakoopa144, Lord Bowser, Zange, ZelenPixel)
<Lakituthequick>
i can't hanndle annother cancellation right now
<Pitohui>
I have no comments or concerns on C2
<Lakituthequick>
y
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C3 Favorite Artist (Toadbert101, Smg2daisy, Lakituthequick, Anton, The Pyro Guy, Fawfulthegreat64, GBAToad, Turboo, BBQ Turtle, ZelenPixel, Magolor04726, Zange, Alex95, Baby Luigi, Koopa con Carne, snack, Waluigi Time, winstein)
<Lakituthequick>
is good
<Pitohui>
Let me check Koopa con Carne's caps real quick
<Lakituthequick>
caps are correct
<@_2257>
wow is snack really lowercase
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C4 Favorite 2020 Awards Presentation (C6 - Favorite 'Shroom Team - Lakituthequick, C8 - Best 'Shroom Section Design - MrConcreteDonkey, M5 - Favorite DK Game - Epic Nitwit, M17 - Favorite Mario RPG - Fawfulthegreat64, M18 - Favorite Mario Party Game - MrConcreteDonkey, M23 - Favorite Capture - Hearts, M28 - Favorite Game Setting - BBQ Turtle,
<@_2257>
ive known him for like 10 years now and never noticed,
<Lakituthequick>
is he
<Lakituthequick>
Seems like "C4 - Favorite 2019 Awards Presentation - The Pyro Guy" is missing from the list, copy error?
<Lakituthequick>
Added last week (https://smw.ltquick.nl/irclogs/awards21meeting6 - list is at ":47:16")
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C2 - Favorite Retired 'Shroom Writer - GBAToad, M1 - Best Sound Design - The Pyro Guy, M10 - Favorite Lyrical Song - Zange & Roserade, M4 - Favorite Mario Kart Course - Eleven, M19 - Favorite Villain - Anton, M29 - Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older) - Gabumon, F8 - Worst Mario Kart Course - Gabumon, F7 - Worst Enemy - Baby Luigi,
In the meanwhile, C4 we should change "Epic Nitwit" to "Reverse Input"
<NinjaSquid>
Per Pitohui
<Pitohui>
Also I counted 17 in this category when doing the dossier
<Pitohui>
So there may be one left off
<@_2257>
snack is lowecase on discord and capitalised on the forum and wiki
<Lakituthequick>
ye my list was 18 exactly
<@Anton{Politoed}>
added
<Lakituthequick>
cool
<@_2257>
and irc for that matter
<@Anton{Politoed}>
snack upgraded to Snack
<Pitohui>
Okay, "Koopa con Carne" is capitalized as such, so we need to change that on C5, not on C2
<Lakituthequick>
what? snack is eveolving!
<Pitohui>
*not on C3
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C5 Wiki Contributor Award 2020 - 2021 (Alex95, Ray Trace, BBQ Turtle, Doc von Schmeltwick, LuigiMaster123, Koopa con Carne, LinkTheLefty, The Mansion, Scrooge200, Waluigi Time, Keyblade Master, Wynn Liaw, 0blivion, RHG1951, Nintendo101, Pasta937, SuperLuigiDude, PhGuy12)
<Pitohui>
This one looks good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C6 Favorite 'Shroom Team (Fake News, Fun Stuff, Palette Swap, Pipe Plaza, Critic Corner, Strategy Wing)
<Pitohui>
Skip
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C7 Favorite Community Event 2020 - 2021 (Chickens vs Pigs 'Shroomfest, Warm Beverages vs Cool Beverages 'Shroomfest, Heroes vs. Villains 'Shroomfest, Ultimate Location Battle, Rogues in Rogueport Mafia, Sheep Mafia, Toad Brigade Mafia, Awards Killing Game 4, Mushroom City Car Wash (roleplay), World of the Spirits (roleplay), The Altonia Files (roleplay),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Awards Ceremony 2020, April Fool’s Day 2021, Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury Photo Contest)
<@_2257>
winstein really is lowercase though
<NinjaSquid>
Cool Beverages to Cold Beverages
<Pitohui>
Thanks, NS
<NinjaSquid>
np! :)
<Pitohui>
Other than that, this one is good
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C8 Best 'Shroom Section Design (Pokédex Power (Yoshi876), Anniversary Announcements (Lakituthequick), Poll Committee Discussion (11th Poll Committee), NIWA Spotlight (Alex95), Anton's Half-Baked Reviews (Anton), Mach Speed Mayhem (Superchao), It's aMAZEing (Lakituthequick), 'Shroom FM (MrConcreteDonkey), "Koops, Your Emblem is on Fire" (Koops),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Drawn and Pressed (winstein), TV Tomorrow (Quizmelon), News Flush (Lord Bowser), Picross (Goombuigi), Anagrams (BBQ Turtle), Rose’s Quarantine Reviews (Roserade), Site Seeing (Lakituthequick), Super Mario Maker Showcase (Goombuigi), Parallax (Baby Luigi and Bazooka Mario))
<Pitohui>
Oh you already fixed Rose's section - thanks
<Lakituthequick>
i haven't checked the last four awards before the meeting so i trust pito here
<Pitohui>
Everything else is good here
<Lakituthequick>
oh, i see a quote
<Lakituthequick>
on Rose's
<Lakituthequick>
or apostroph or whatever its called
<@_2257>
apostrophe
<Lakituthequick>
yes, thanks
<@_2257>
although technically the unicode character might have a different name, like with the hyphen-minus
<@_2257>
i dont remember
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C9 Favorite Written 'Shroom Section of the Past Year (Anniversary Announcements (Lakituthequick), Mach Speed Mayhem (Superchao), Anton's Half-Baked Reviews (Anton), Drawn and Pressed (winstein), Poll Committee Discussion (11th Poll Committee), Mario's Boombox (Hooded Pitohui), TV Tomorrow (Quizmelon), Doomed Reviews (Doomhiker),
<@Anton{Politoed}>
Kingdom Battle Ramble (ZelenPixel), Monthly Inquisition (Goombuigi), Mushroom Kingdom Smackdown (Waluigi Time), Mushroom Tribune (Shoey and Hooded Pitohui), Parallax (Baby Luigi and LeftyGreenMario), Rose's Quarantine Reviews (Roserade), Site Seeing (Lakituthequick), So You Want to Conquer Japan? (Shoey), The Odyssey of a Squid (Ninja Squid))
<Pitohui>
This one looks all good to me
<@Anton{Politoed}>
C10 Outstanding Community Achievement Award (Porplemontage, 2257, Turboo, Anton, Superchao, GBAToad, Lakituthequick, Glowsquid, Ninja Squid, The Pyro Guy, Roserade, Hooded Pitohui, Doomhiker, Goombuigi, Waluigi Time, Baby Luigi, Shoey)
<@_2257>
wow, did we actually get done on time
<Pitohui>
All is well on C10
<Perch>
we did
<Perch>
nice!!
<Lakituthequick>
you sound surprised
<Pitohui>
(Don't worry TPG I'm still going to get down to C10 on the Dossier)
<@_2257>
i thought we were going to not when we were like an hour in
<@Anton{Politoed}>
wii u did it
<Smasher>
agreed with every change made while i was afk
<Lakituthequick>
:clap:
<Smasher>
congrats awards committee
<@Anton{Politoed}>
are there any other comments, questions, concerns, compliments, affirmations, etc.
<Smasher>
im gay
<Lakituthequick>
gayming
<Lakituthequick>
good job team
<@Anton{Politoed}>
that is indeed what is up next according to the topic
<@Anton{Politoed}>
so basically what we do now is
<@Anton{Politoed}>
nothing!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
you're mostly all free
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the work that begins now is my suffering and torment
<@Anton{Politoed}>
a bunch of documents and forms I need to create, polls I need to create, etc.
<Lakituthequick>
i just reminded myself that crowdsignal exists
<Lakituthequick>
my night is ruined
<@Anton{Politoed}>
with my handy-dandy accountabilibuddies by my side to make sure I don't make a disastrous typo
<Pitohui>
Valid, LTQ
<@Anton{Politoed}>
polls go up in basically a week
<Perch>
time to disintetigrate my awards-based existence until anton forcibly binds my material form again so he can make me do a presentation
<@Anton{Politoed}>
which means the dossier must also be complete by then
<Pitohui>
Yep, yep! I'm on track and on-schedule
<Lakituthequick>
i believe in pitohui
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'm assuming the poll committee is well aware already that we take over the same space on the main page every year
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if not, well, we take over the same space on the main page every year
<Perch>
the pc chair is right there so if not something is Very Wrong
<NinjaSquid>
lol yeah
<Pitohui>
The turnaround time for people to send in their samples they want for the relevant awards will be quick but as always I'll pick for them if they don't respond in time
<Lakituthequick>
imagine a thing thats happened for like 10 years being unknown to the pc chair
<Pitohui>
And, yes, PC is aware, we're happy to let the AC take over
<@Anton{Politoed}>
it was a problem like 3 years ago or something
<Lakituthequick>
was it
<Lakituthequick>
huh
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but yeah otherwise, congrats on a good job!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
record time
<@Anton{Politoed}>
any further updates will be announced
<Pitohui>
Speaking of PC make sure you think about running in the Chairperson Election this month, anyone reading this!
<NinjaSquid>
Nice!
<@Anton{Politoed}>
up next, we're gay, then polls, then presentation sign-ups
<NinjaSquid>
We need to shill for this Pito
<Lakituthequick>
imagine being a chair
<@Anton{Politoed}>
AC members get priority pick on those, usually a week before it goes public
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I've already got mine picked and like 2/5 done
<@Anton{Politoed}>
I'll figure something out with the polling and counting
<@Anton{Politoed}>
something will happen I'm sure
<@Anton{Politoed}>
worst case is we have to manually count
<Pitohui>
Six last year, let's see if I can match that this year [s]though ideally we shill hard enough everyone only has to take four or less, including the backup presenters[/s]
<@Anton{Politoed}>
which will set back results being sent out by probably 2-3 days more
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but we will Do Our Best
<Lakituthequick>
i hope either me or 22 will have figured something out by then
<@_2257>
oh what am i trying to figure out?
<@_2257>
how to hack polldaddy?
<@Anton{Politoed}>
if anyone wants to give me money to pay for crowdsignal for 1-2 months I would not be opposed
<Lakituthequick>
possibly
<@Anton{Politoed}>
but ultimately I have several large piles of money spread across my room I can dip into for this
<Pitohui>
Oh, I mentioned to Turb some time back I have some set aside just for this
<Lakituthequick>
if its paid and the api functions again then there is probably not a problem to begin with
<Lakituthequick>
we'll see i guess
<@Anton{Politoed}>
the show will go on
<@_2257>
the api works again but it's compltetly changed in a way that requires everything to be rewritten
<Lakituthequick>
did it
<@Anton{Politoed}>
horror
<@_2257>
no that was me proposing a scenario
<Lakituthequick>
oh thank poochy
<@_2257>
i wouldnt really be *surprised* if that actually happened though
<Lakituthequick>
i was worries a bit
<@Anton{Politoed}>
alright but official meeting adjourned
<@Anton{Politoed}>
time to shill
<@Anton{Politoed}>
everyone follow my new review twitter account https://twitter.com/HalfBaked_Food
<@Anton{Politoed}>
and also read my reviews https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_170/Critic_Corner#Anton%27s_Half-Baked_Reviews